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Atheist/Theist? Invent definitions to fit faith?

I was involved in an interesting discussion which was ultimately locked by a mod due to the apparent impasse that was reached between the various parties involved.

It is a pity that having a lack of faith in gods is so offensive to some people. Well, maybe not their lack of belief, but the fact that their lack of belief puts them into the category of atheist.

It seems that some theists are so emotionally attached to the 'atheist' word that it has become a mantra or perceived 'organised resistance' which they appear to feel a need to defend against.
I assert that the word atheist is just as simple as meaning 'one who does not believe in gods', as myself, one who does not say "gods do not exist" because I can not confirm that, just I have not seen any evidence to enable me to believe in such things.

The amusing thing about all of this is that some theists seem so threatened by this lack of belief they desperately attempt to associate the term 'atheist' with a meaning 'one who fights and battles against theists' instead of the generally world-wide accepted meaning of 'one who does not believe in gods'.

It is amusing, but tragic, and I am glad that the extremist theists have a platform for their unreasonable rants, if only so other people from around the world can read them and judge their bigotted claims for what they really are Wink

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Religious people just want to live in a world where their particular brand of religion can't be criticized,where there is no opposition to their religious view.

They like to try to shut up anyone who dares criticize their gods,they don't want to hear about how flawed their God is,they don't want to hear that there is a possibility they may of chosen the wrong team (god) to support.

Now if only they could just shut up those nasty atheists with all that evidence and logic,then everything would be just lovely again.
truespeed on Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:40 am
Why should it be any different about those who believe in something and those who don't. Even those who believe fight with others about which form is the 'chosen' one.
Personally, I don't care if you believe or not, just don't 'preach' to me. I had plenty of that already growing up. One reason that I avoid the P & R forum.
standready on Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:02 am
^^ In any public forum,if you hold a certain view,you will find there is nearly always an opposite view,it is not preaching to offer an opposite view,it is what it is.
truespeed on Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:14 am
I get you standready, just when people have problems with folk who have no faith in gods, it is up to those people to defend themselves sometimes. I've been candid and accepted that some folk may be extremists, but when people make claims that "atheists have faith in atheism" I have to offer the alternative view, which is based on reason, and the experience of regular people who don't believe in supernatural things.
watersoul on Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:15 am
I was reading that discussion, and I was about to reply, but I found it was locked. I am agnostic, but if people want to call me an atheist, I don't care. I was raised a Christian, but I started to question what I believed at some point. The more questions I asked, the less answers I had, and the answers that other Christians gave me did not really seem to explain anything. So I suppose, according to the thread starter, I converted to Atheism?

Now, to be honest, I like to debate things anyway, but I actually do have a couple of reasons for debating religious people. First, I know it's possible to change your mind, because I did. Secondly, I feel like the message being preached here is about fear, control, and judgement. So why shouldn't I speak up and say something? Why shouldn't I question people who make extraordinary claims? And I think the concept of faith in atheism is just ridiculous! Faith appears to be an explanation for believing something you have absolutely no evidence for. So I have a lack of faith.
SpaceInvader75 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:49 am
Strawmen are easier to deal with than reality, Watersoul… that’s essentially what it boils down to. It’s easier to maintain a position if you vilify and caricature the opposition; to look at them with eyes open invites regarding them as other people. Unfortunately, the concept you’re talking about in your post is very widespread within the Fundamental, Evangelical and closed-minded communities, and seems to need constant refutation, not that it does anything in the end.
SpaceInvader75 wrote:
… I think the concept of faith in atheism is just ridiculous!

That’s because you have an idea what you’re talking about Wink
Ankhanu on Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:56 am

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