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What is up with the copying in blogs?




I do not get it why is there so much copying of other content on the web onto blogs? Why do people claim it as their own and not give credit to the original source. It is just wrong and completely unjust. Why do they do it?

I know I have copied quotes and whatnot from other places but I always try to give credit to whom it is due. Not just claim the statement as my own, even if I would get more points out of it. It is just downright the wrong way to go about things. Besides, if you steal someone else's writing and pass it off as your own it makes a blatant statement that your work is worthless to you and I for one do not feel that way about my blog.



20 blog comments below

I dunno why it's so prevalent in blogs, and why there is no "Copy/Paste" report option for blogs, when there is one for the forums.

Personally, I find the sea of copy/paste and non-sense posted to the blogs extremely discouraging; I don't wish to wade through the myriad copy/paste posts to find actual content, and I don't want to contribute my own blog posts to that miasma of garbage, just to be lost to the ζther.

I've been using the report feature, perhaps abusively, a bit concerning the copy pasta here, using the "Spam" designation and adding a comment explaining the report. It may be unwelcome, but I haven't been asked to stop Razz
Ankhanu on Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:28 pm
Speaking personally (ie not as a mod) then I agree. Speaking as a mod we generally allow more latitude on Blogs than we do for forum postings.
The time may have come for a tightening-up of policy on this and I will raise it in the staff forum.
Bikerman on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:28 pm
I am all for allowing people to post a link or even entire articles, when responsibly giving credit to those it is due. I just do not understand why it seems like plagairism is overlooked and whatnot. I do realize that some people actually try to post their own thoughts and posts, and even if that contains a little of someone else's work it would not bother me. It is just the blatant copying of other people's words and not giving credit or anything not even their own thoughts that annoys me. At least show that it is a quote people. Not a big deal just highlight your post and hit the Quote button. It is not difficult. I would be all for a policy making the blog posts less of a copy paste sea of stuff and actually something that requires at least the minimal effort of hitting the quote button.
pauline123 on Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:59 pm
I raised the issue, and I think you can expect a change. If not zero-tolerance then certainly much less Wink
Bikerman on Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:55 am
*sounds of celebration*

Cheers, mate!
Ankhanu on Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:36 am
Looks as though it is much more effective to raise a complaint through a blog post than a report. Well done Pauline. Think you've just set a new trend here. Wink
deanhills on Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:56 am
One event does not a trend make... If you recall, you've raised some complaints in blogs that continued to be met with inaction.
Ankhanu on Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:42 pm
One event does not mean it is the way that things need to be done. I was just stating my opinion and I figured if something came of it good if not life would go on. I would just like to see that credit is given where credit is due, at least show that it is a quote. I gave my opinion and the reasoning for it. After all if you are going to state your opinion about something that you want changed it is usually better recieved when it is accompanied with something that provides sustenance.
pauline123 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:13 pm
True. And I'm more than happy with the outcome. But equally true is that Mods ask that people report things they don't agree with. The expectation is that if it is reported it will be acted upon. I've also made reports about the state of the blog posts as well as written to one of the Mods. Can't recall who. Quite a while ago. I noticed plenty of spam as well. The general Mod response was that the Mod policy in the blogs section was relaxed.

Ankhanu is right of course that this is not a trend. Interesting though. From a novel point of view.
deanhills on Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:59 pm
Deanhills is just trying to have a little dig.

Reporting is the best way to alert staff when there is a problem. As has already been said, however, there is no obvious reporting system for blogs.
For the record, Mods DON'T ask people to report things they don't agree with. Mods ask people to report postings which go against TOS.
If users expect their reports to be acted upon then they may be disappointed, depending, of course, on the report. What they CAN expect is that their report will be read and considered.
Staff don't generally give feedback on reports (simply because of the amount of extra work it would generate - it's hard enough just getting through them, without replying as well) but they DO act upon them where it is required.
Bikerman on Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:55 am
I understand, that reports are to be sent when the TOS are being violated. I was just not sure what or how to report the blog posts that are blatant copy-paste plagiarism.

Just as an aside. Would it be that much work to add a checkbox or radio box to the reports to let the person know that the issue has been looked at. Just an automated response would make reporting seem so much more helpful. At least I think it would. Yes it is a little bit more work, but doesn't the mod have to check or delete or do something to the report to show other mods it has been taken care of and could it not be incorporated into that? Giving feedback on reports would be more work, I will give you that, but just an incorporation of an auto-response for when it has been evaluated and dealt with.
pauline123 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:33 pm
That's one for Bondings. It certainly sounds like a good idea, but Andy will have to decide - us mods don't have system access at the required level to do any actual coding Smile
Bikerman on Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:39 pm
So should I post that in the suggestions forum, or just leave it here? It should not be too much work to do. At least not if the reporting system uses a database and reports the user that reported it, the post itself, and stuff like that. I just do not want to create duplicates of anything. I would rather underpost than create several copies of the same thing in different locations. So if someone could let me know whether I should put the suggestion of a checkbox or the like for the reporting system in the suggestions forum I will do so. I will even try to go into as much detail as I can at the time, depending on what I can think of and how much time I have to write it in.
pauline123 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:54 pm
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Looks as though it is much more effective to raise a complaint through a blog post than a report

Absolutely not, as this blog post could have been unread by all the staff if it wasn't brought to the staff forums attention. This is my first time coming across this blog post. Thanks to Bikerman.

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Think you've just set a new trend here.


I certainly hope not.

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The expectation is that if it is reported it will be acted upon.

If that is really your expectation, then like Bikerman said, you have a possibility of being disappointed. You report a post to bring it to our attention. We will only act upon it if it is truly necessary. In other words, if someone reports your post for no reason (I've seen this happen many, many times) then I won't do anything with the report. This of course is only one example, there are many different things that might make us ignore your report. If the post/user you report is breaking the TOS, it will be discarded and you won't be notified, probably giving you the assumption that we never looked at the report. Which I can assure you, every single report gets looked at.

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So should I post that in the suggestions forum, or just leave it here?

Isn't totally necessary to post it in the suggestions forum, it's been brought to Bondings' attention. Though if you are curious as to whether other users would want this as well, maybe making a new topic wouldn't be a bad idea - but either way your suggestion is definitely being considered. Smile
Ghost Rider103 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:04 pm
Thank you Ghost Rider103 for letting me know.

To anyone capable: Is it at all possible to learn of the decision that is arrived at on this topic? I do not want to be a burden, would help out if I had the time and the possiblity was offered. However, regardless of that, I would like to know if this will be implemented at some future date or if it will not be, at least for now. Thank you for letting me know that it has been brought to Bondings' attention.

Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this post (post and comments) and a special thanks to Bondings for bringing us all together.
pauline123 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:15 pm
Ghostrider wrote:
If that is really your expectation, then like Bikerman said, you have a possibility of being disappointed. You report a post to bring it to our attention. We will only act upon it if it is truly necessary. In other words, if someone reports your post for no reason (I've seen this happen many, many times) then I won't do anything with the report. This of course is only one example, there are many different things that might make us ignore your report. If the post/user you report is breaking the TOS, it will be discarded and you won't be notified, probably giving you the assumption that we never looked at the report. Which I can assure you, every single report gets looked at.
Think Bikerman understood where I was coming from. I and a number of other members have reported problems in the Blogs numerous times in the past. Haven't recently as I'd given up after a while as there was no response to the reports of course, and then when I wrote to a Mod and then Bondings much later, I was told that there was a relaxed policy for moderating the blogs. I know there were other members who had complained as well.

So when I saw the outcome of this very simple blog post couldn't help but see the irony and humour of it. Our repeated attempts in the past vs this simple little blog post. I'm very happy with the outcome of course, so kudos to Bikerman for bringing it to the attention of the Staff Forum. And thanks to Pauline for making the blog post.
deanhills on Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:33 pm
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To anyone capable: Is it at all possible to learn of the decision that is arrived at on this topic? I do not want to be a burden, would help out if I had the time and the possiblity was offered. However, regardless of that, I would like to know if this will be implemented at some future date or if it will not be, at least for now. Thank you for letting me know that it has been brought to Bondings' attention.
I'll let you know as soon as an answer is forthcoming in the staff forums.
Bikerman on Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:59 pm
Thank you Bikerman. I will look forward to see what the staff has decided to do.
pauline123 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:57 pm
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Haven't recently as I'd given up after a while as there was no response to the reports of course


Some things you have reported in the past cannot be dealt with by removing the posting. Like Bikerman said, some users have English has their second or third language. If we sat there and just removed all of their postings, they would become quite offended. You have to deal with them in a much more professional manner.

Within the last few weeks, an AWIT was opened up on a user (can't say who) for extremely low quality blog posts. A user topic was created inside of the AWIT (none of his posts had been removed) and we were dealing with it accordingly. The user was actually offended, getting the idea that we thought his posts were "garbage" when the moderator who opened the AWIT, mentioned nothing about his posting being related to "garbage" or anything of the like. So you have to take into account that some of the people you are reporting, are in fact human. Not saying that some posts don't get canned for having bad English, as some of them do, but you cannot do it to all of them. There are boundaries here.

So when you say there is no response to the report, you are wrong, every time. A decision is made every time a report comes through.

So just because you don't see anything happening with the report doesn't mean nothing was done. Sometimes you report a user, we leave the posting in place open an AWIT and the issue is resolved there. In which case you would have absolutely no clue this ever happened, giving you the assumption that nothing was done, which in fact an action did take place, it was just done privately. This happens often.
Ghost Rider103 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:12 am
Ghost Rider, you have to credit us with at least a grain of common sense. Obviously you are attending to reports that we don't have a clue about, but if a Mod has said that Mods aren't attending to the Blog posts because moderating is relaxed, then it is common sense that I should stop reporting the kind of blog post issue I had raised at the time. Now is a different scenario of cause. Thanks to Bikerman bringing it to the staff forum and thanks to Pauline's blog post. If I should spot something in the Blog post area I'll hit the report button.
deanhills on Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:43 am



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