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Collection of JMI "troll" posts No. 1




Here is a good example of some more threatening behaviour during debate in the Phil&Rel Forum, i.e. debating and wearing a Moderator hat at the same time. Bikerman has had it in for JMI from the beginning of time in the Politics Forum, however since this Blog is one on Religious Intolerance, and the subject has to do with religious intolerance specifically, thought this discussion was applicable. Note, this was a discussion that started between Bikerman and Dialogist and that I had noted in the Collection of Dialogist "troll" posts No. 2. So Bikerman was involved in that discussion, which had been a particularly heated one between himself and Dialogist:

Thread: Questions for Christians

jmi256 wrote:
Dialogist wrote:
jmi256 wrote:

I can’t think of a way to quantify “good” or “bad,” so it seems rather pointless to try to stack up some anecdotes on either side and decide if overall a particular religion is good/better or bad/worse. Do individuals do both good and bad? Of course. Are those individuals inspired to do either by everything from religion to political ideology to simple emotions? Of course. Do individuals twist ideology to manipulate others to do what they want? Yes, for both good and evil. But what does that get you? All the bickering about ‘this religion sucks’ or ‘but it’s better/worse than this other religion’ seems to miss the whole point and instead unknowingly (or knowing maybe?) just seems to provide an opportunity for some to display their religious bigotry and intolerance.


Solid post.


I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, but I like to give people the benefit of doubt, so I’ll assume you’re sincere. My point is that there seems to be a lot of bickering on these threads that are simply anti-religious. At first I thought it was only anti-Christian, but I have come to see that hate is an equal opportunity employer. It would be a lie to say individuals who claim to follow a certain religion haven’t done ill/evil, but to then stereotype everyone who happens to follow religion as evil is simply as wrongheaded as racial stereotypes, for example. It would be one thing if there were smart or informed discussions about philosophy or religion(s), but the attacks on religion here don’t seem anything close to smart or logical at all, but simple religious bigotry and intolerance for the sake of bigotry and intolerance. It really makes me question why those who are the source of these attacks do so, but I really don’t want to get personal if I can avoid it. But one thing I think tends to happen is that when visitors come and see the character of those attacks on the forums, they don’t actually buy into the attacks, but are drawn closer to – and want to defend - the attacked. I think that’s just human nature and how were made.


Bikerman did not give Dialogist a chance to respond and immediately interjected (to JMI):
Bikerman wrote:
Yes, you are apparently someone else who doesn't understand the difference between disagreement and intolerance, and assumes that disagreement=hatred. It is a tactic often employed by those who are themselves intolerant of criticism.

JMI's response to Bikerman:
jmi256 wrote:
I’m quite ok with criticism, but from what I have seen on this board, no one has been critical of my own beliefs. I was just pointing out how some behave toward others. Why so paranoid?

Bikerman's response:
Bikerman wrote:
Untrue - you were specifically saying that people HERE were intolerant bigots - in terms.

jmi256 wrote:
What people? I didn’t call anyone out by name, but was making an observation about the board in general and the tone of the attacks. But are you saying discussions about religious bigotry and intolerance not allowed?

Bikerman wrote:

I am saying that you accused people on this board of bigotry. Discussion of such things is fine, but you made a specific allegation about postings here. I have said it before and I repeat: unsupported allegations of bigotry are flame-bait and will be acted upon.

JMI stopped participating in this thread at this point. Bikerman then had the final word (making a second post), returning to a previous post of JMI's - this is also the last post in the thread:

Bikerman wrote:
Quote:
It would be a lie to say individuals who claim to follow a certain religion haven’t done ill/evil, but to then stereotype everyone who happens to follow religion as evil is simply as wrongheaded as racial stereotypes, for example.
If you can point to a posting which says that everyone religious is evil then please do so. If you can't then it is simply a straw-man.
Quote:
It would be one thing if there were smart or informed discussions about philosophy or religion(s), but the attacks on religion here don’t seem anything close to smart or logical at all
That would be your opinion of course. Personally I find many of the critiques of religion extremely logical and well informed.




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