#218_2E: Why and how deaf to conscience die young
#218_2E: Why and how deaf to conscience die young
(Continuation from "#218_1E"
The problem of premature deaths of youngsters which have NOT acquired the habit to consult their actions with the voice of conscience, I identified only in 2012. At beginning of that year I undertook analysis of moral factors that decide about someone's premature death in relatively young age. For the purpose of that analysis, I prepared a list of such people whom I knew in person (very well) from times of my own youth, and about which I know that all of them died at a relatively young age. It happens that my turbulent fate familiarised me with many such persons. After preparing that list, it turned out that all these people had a number of attributes in common. The most vital out of these attributes was the fact, that with their behaviours - which I perfectly well remembered from years of my youth, they always kept proving that they never listened to the voice of their conscience (other their attributes are described in item #D3 from the web page named "god_exists.htm"). For example one amongst them, with which I attended a school, one day dropped onto an idea, that it would be a lot of fun if he empties the entire ink from his fountain pen to the pocket of a new, elegant, snow-white jacket of our female teacher. Because he carried out this emptying of the fountain pen rapidly, without a previous announcement and without consulting it with us, in the middle of a class when the teacher walked along his sit, I had NO possibility to stop him or to convince his to abandon this "joke". But I felt so upset by this, that until today I consider the entire event to be one amongst worse memories from that school. As a son of poor parents I understood jolly well how much sacrifices and money-savings the teacher needed at that time, in order to buy such elegant and fashionable jacket. This particular female teacher was very poor, and always looked scruffy because she could NOT afford nice clothing. Then on my own eyes I saw how beautiful and elegant she looked in this jacket. But my colleague spoiled her jacket already in the first day after she wore it (never again I saw her in that jacket - probably she was forced to throw it out). Similar behaviours which prove the lack of consultations of actions with voice of own conscience I noted in all persons known to me, which later died at a young age. This in turn allowed me to deduce in analyses at the beginning of 2012, that these young people who become deaf to the voice of their conscience, and who in addition fulfilled some additional criteria (e.g. learned to be very liked, and thus potentially could exert an immoral influence onto many other people), God simply eliminates from life by either killing them at relatively young age, or by making them e.g. disabled.
Of course, while explaining here, that God terminates lives at young age for almost all people who developed in themselves the deafness to the voice of their conscience, I am NOT claiming, that for this purpose God appears to them in clouds and hits them with lightning after previous informing them with a thunderous voice, that this is for their deafness to the voice of conscience. Rather opposite, typically they die in such a manner, that neither themselves, nor people from their surroundings, have any idea why and for what such a death affected them. After all, to their deaths also applies the principle of God's behaviour described in item #C2 from the web page named "tornado.htm" (also briefly indicated in item #C2 from the web page named "will.htm"), which states, that in order to NOT deprive people of their "free will", everything that God does he always does it in such a way that it contains in itself a parallel evidence that indicates at least 3 independent causes for which it has happened. In other words, the kind of death which gets these people, is an excellent reflection of unlimited inventiveness and goal orientation of God's actions. Thus, they die either for one amongst many different forms of suicide (as described in item #D3 from the web page named "god_exists.htm"), or on one amongst numerous different kinds of accidents, or on some deadly illness, or in some cataclysm, or during a war, shootout, etc., etc. But no matter of what kinds of deaths get these people, they always are highly educational for other people and always give a lot of food for thoughts to everyone who learns their details.
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The above post explains that people who do NOT listen to the voice of their conscience typically must die prematurely. Thus it also explains that parents who fail to discipline their children with a proverbial "rod", and thus who do NOT develop in their children skills of listening to the voice of conscience, risk that their children die at young age because get killed as a result of implementing the God's principle of the "survival of most moral".
(To be continued in #218_3E)
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This post is an adaptation of item #G1 from the totaliztic web page named "will.htm" (updated on 5 May 2012, or later). Thus, reading the above descriptions would be even more effective from that web page than from this post - as in the totaliztic web pages are working all (green) links to other related web pages with additional explanations, text includes colours, presentations are supported with illustrations, the content is updated regularly, etc. The latest update of the web page "will.htm" can be viewed, amongst others, at addresses:
http://magnocraft.horizon-host.com/will.htm or alias: http://naj.zs.pl (which always links to the most important amongst recent updates of totaliztic web pages)
http://pajak.webhostingnowfree.com/will.htm
http://petone.loomhost.com/will.htm
http://decoration.cwahi.net/will.htm
http://morals.cixx6.com/will.htm
http://bobola.net78.net/will.htm
http://rex.dasfree.com/will.htm
http://bitwa.clawz.com/will.htm
http://tornado.zxq.net/will.htm
http://soul.frihost.org/will.htm
http://proof.t15.org/will.htm
Notice that every address with totaliztic web pages, including the above web sites, should contain all totaliztic web pages - including web pages indicated in this post. Thus, in order to see any other totaliztic web page that interests us, it suffices that in one amongst the above addresses the web page name "will.htm" is changed to the name of page which the reader wishes to see. For example, in order to see the web page named "god_exists.htm" e.g. from the totaliztic web site with the address http://energia.sl.pl/will.htm , it is enough that instead of this address, in the window of an internet explorer the reader writes the address http://energia.sl.pl/god_exists.htm .
It is also worth to know, that almost each new topic that I am researching with "a priori" approach of the new "totaliztic science", including this one, is repeated in:
http://totalizm.wordpress.com or alias: http://blog.zs.pl
http://totalizm.blox.pl/html
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
10 blog comments below
I listen to my conscience. But it has nothing to do with 'God' of any religion. The Christian God has some ideas that are against my conscience. So my conscience tells me I cannot act in a Christian way.
Hello_World on Sun May 13, 2012 1:22 pm
There's a lot of young kids out there who suffer not because they are neglectful of their conscience but because they were born with terrible diseases such as cerebral palsy, diabetes, lukemia, and some congenital disorders. Some of themn die very young. And all of it has nothing to do with conscience. Most of them are disabled so they can't even do anything, not even things which acts against their conscience.
Why would god do that? Religious people would just say God has a divine plan so you shouldn't question him. But why don't we have a right to ask for explanation? It sure does look very absurd, doesn't it? Kids just live to suffer and die without even knowing why they have to. It surely questions whether such loving God exist. People might say God use them as an instrument to test people's empathy. Really? Using kids? Some would say, they need to test the kid's faith. But some of these kids don't even know anything about that. What they know is that they're suffering. But if that is true then God is just wicked self-centered. He rather want kids to worship him than look for the kid's well being.
Some loving God.
Why would god do that? Religious people would just say God has a divine plan so you shouldn't question him. But why don't we have a right to ask for explanation? It sure does look very absurd, doesn't it? Kids just live to suffer and die without even knowing why they have to. It surely questions whether such loving God exist. People might say God use them as an instrument to test people's empathy. Really? Using kids? Some would say, they need to test the kid's faith. But some of these kids don't even know anything about that. What they know is that they're suffering. But if that is true then God is just wicked self-centered. He rather want kids to worship him than look for the kid's well being.
Some loving God.
loremar on Sun May 13, 2012 7:54 pm
I would suggest learning some actual science, rather than playing around with idiotic concepts like 'totaliztic science'.
Why the scientifically illiterate believe that they can talk intelligently on the subject has always been a bit of a puzzler to me...is it just ego? Do they really and sincerely think they have something of worth to say? The former is just good-old egotism. The latter is more problematic because it reveals a disturbed mentality. In this case I think it is the latter. Clearly only someone who is blind to evidence could believe that there is a correlation between premature death and behaving unconscionably, and we can see this in the context of a wider delusion, involving elements of control, sadism and self-aggrandisement.
What we have is a case study in the particular types of mental illness normally grouped into the paranoid schizophrenic category, and unfortunately the prognosis is pretty bad for such mental illness.
I sympathise with you, but I would be remiss if I didn't at least attempt to advise you to get some professional help (though, inevitably, such advice cannot be taken by someone suffering from this type of delusional illness, because it involves an acknowledgement that their central delusion IS possibly a delusion - something which strikes at the ego in such a fundamental manner that the psyche will do almost anything to avoid it).
Why the scientifically illiterate believe that they can talk intelligently on the subject has always been a bit of a puzzler to me...is it just ego? Do they really and sincerely think they have something of worth to say? The former is just good-old egotism. The latter is more problematic because it reveals a disturbed mentality. In this case I think it is the latter. Clearly only someone who is blind to evidence could believe that there is a correlation between premature death and behaving unconscionably, and we can see this in the context of a wider delusion, involving elements of control, sadism and self-aggrandisement.
What we have is a case study in the particular types of mental illness normally grouped into the paranoid schizophrenic category, and unfortunately the prognosis is pretty bad for such mental illness.
I sympathise with you, but I would be remiss if I didn't at least attempt to advise you to get some professional help (though, inevitably, such advice cannot be taken by someone suffering from this type of delusional illness, because it involves an acknowledgement that their central delusion IS possibly a delusion - something which strikes at the ego in such a fundamental manner that the psyche will do almost anything to avoid it).
Bikerman on Tue May 15, 2012 1:55 am
Dear Hello_World, Loremar, and Bikerman,
Thank you for adding your voices to this intriguing subject area. I am going to reply you all, but it will take a time, as I must consider carefuly your arguments. Now I am aonly able to reply to Hello_World, as his argumentation is easy to discuss.
So Hellow_World, it is good that you use your organ of conscience. Actually because of using it, you already are "intuitive totalizt", as this is all that people need to do to become totalizts.
The point which you seem to NOT be aware is, that there is God, and there are numerous religions which all pretend to speak in the name of God - but they don't. After all, each religion is made up by people, all of which are imperfect creatures when compared with the wisdom of God. So during the passage of ages each religion accumulated a lot of errors introduced by these people. In turn our conscience is managed directly by God Himself. So whatever conscience tells is free from human errors. This is why, you may agree with whatever conscience tells you, but NOT necessarily you need to agree with whatever any religion of your choice is telling you.
Actaully there is a solution to this problem, proposed by the new so-called "totaliztic science". Namely it says, that instead of believing in whatever tell us religions about God, we rather should research God scientifically. The only problem is that the old official science to-date (i.e. the science called by some "atheistic orthodox science") cannot do any research on God, because it addopted atheistic philowsophical foundations based on the so-called "Occam's Razor - for details see my web page named "god_exists.htm".
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
Thank you for adding your voices to this intriguing subject area. I am going to reply you all, but it will take a time, as I must consider carefuly your arguments. Now I am aonly able to reply to Hello_World, as his argumentation is easy to discuss.
So Hellow_World, it is good that you use your organ of conscience. Actually because of using it, you already are "intuitive totalizt", as this is all that people need to do to become totalizts.
The point which you seem to NOT be aware is, that there is God, and there are numerous religions which all pretend to speak in the name of God - but they don't. After all, each religion is made up by people, all of which are imperfect creatures when compared with the wisdom of God. So during the passage of ages each religion accumulated a lot of errors introduced by these people. In turn our conscience is managed directly by God Himself. So whatever conscience tells is free from human errors. This is why, you may agree with whatever conscience tells you, but NOT necessarily you need to agree with whatever any religion of your choice is telling you.
Actaully there is a solution to this problem, proposed by the new so-called "totaliztic science". Namely it says, that instead of believing in whatever tell us religions about God, we rather should research God scientifically. The only problem is that the old official science to-date (i.e. the science called by some "atheistic orthodox science") cannot do any research on God, because it addopted atheistic philowsophical foundations based on the so-called "Occam's Razor - for details see my web page named "god_exists.htm".
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
Totalizm on Thu May 17, 2012 2:31 am
Dear Loremar,
There is a simple explanation why God terminates lives of selected young children (or makes these children disabled). I provided this explanation in items #D1 to #D3 of my web page named "god_exists.htm" (in order to view that web page, you just need to replace the name "will.htm" with the name "god_exists.htm" in any address which I provided in my original post above). This explanation boils down to the fact indicated in the Bible (for details see item #B4.1 on my web page named "immortality.htm"), that each person, including also you (i.e. the reader), actually passes two or three times through the entire own life (i.e. each one of us lives two or even three times, before finally dies forever). Only that from the end of each of these passages through time, each one of us is shifted back in time to the very beginning of own life, while God simultaneously erases his or her conscious memory (this explains why we all feel sometimes the "dejavu"). In the first passage through time God only watches what we do, or what we wish to do. Only in second passage God adjusts our lives to His own goals and plans. Thus, when we believe that a child dies at very early age, actually this child already lived the full life sometimes even up to three times. By allowing him or her to live two or three times, God determined that this particular person is already a "hopeless case" which is going to act against God’s plans and goals after reaching the adult age, and thus that God does NOT have any other option but to terminate the life of this person or make this person disabled – so that after it becomes an adult it is unable to mass up God’s plans and goals.
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
There is a simple explanation why God terminates lives of selected young children (or makes these children disabled). I provided this explanation in items #D1 to #D3 of my web page named "god_exists.htm" (in order to view that web page, you just need to replace the name "will.htm" with the name "god_exists.htm" in any address which I provided in my original post above). This explanation boils down to the fact indicated in the Bible (for details see item #B4.1 on my web page named "immortality.htm"), that each person, including also you (i.e. the reader), actually passes two or three times through the entire own life (i.e. each one of us lives two or even three times, before finally dies forever). Only that from the end of each of these passages through time, each one of us is shifted back in time to the very beginning of own life, while God simultaneously erases his or her conscious memory (this explains why we all feel sometimes the "dejavu"). In the first passage through time God only watches what we do, or what we wish to do. Only in second passage God adjusts our lives to His own goals and plans. Thus, when we believe that a child dies at very early age, actually this child already lived the full life sometimes even up to three times. By allowing him or her to live two or three times, God determined that this particular person is already a "hopeless case" which is going to act against God’s plans and goals after reaching the adult age, and thus that God does NOT have any other option but to terminate the life of this person or make this person disabled – so that after it becomes an adult it is unable to mass up God’s plans and goals.
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
Totalizm on Wed May 23, 2012 1:18 am
Hmm, Bikerman,
You obviously do NOT know my background – so when you can, perhaps you should have a look at my biography provided on the web page named "pajak_jan_uk.htm" (again, to see this web page, simply replace in any address from the initial post above, the name "will.htm" with the name "pajak_jan_uk.htm").
What do you believe qualifies you to make judgements and comments like these that you wrote about my research?
Apart from the spitting and swearing that you seem to ooze in abundance, do you know and are able to present here any clearly-defined empirical evidence which would document or at least hint that my point of view is a wrong one, while your views are the right ones?
It must be highly frustrating to ride a bike in rainy days, isnt it?
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
P.S. Do you know that your post above closed the round circle followed by the human knowledge. Namely, when Charles Darwin published his “On the origins of species” in 1859, the welcome his research received was almost exactly the same as you gave me for my discovery of the “survival of most moral” principle described in my post. Then the science went through a full circle, and herewith you repeated for me the kind of reaction with which Darwin was forced to put up. Intriguing?
You obviously do NOT know my background – so when you can, perhaps you should have a look at my biography provided on the web page named "pajak_jan_uk.htm" (again, to see this web page, simply replace in any address from the initial post above, the name "will.htm" with the name "pajak_jan_uk.htm").
What do you believe qualifies you to make judgements and comments like these that you wrote about my research?
Apart from the spitting and swearing that you seem to ooze in abundance, do you know and are able to present here any clearly-defined empirical evidence which would document or at least hint that my point of view is a wrong one, while your views are the right ones?
It must be highly frustrating to ride a bike in rainy days, isnt it?
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
P.S. Do you know that your post above closed the round circle followed by the human knowledge. Namely, when Charles Darwin published his “On the origins of species” in 1859, the welcome his research received was almost exactly the same as you gave me for my discovery of the “survival of most moral” principle described in my post. Then the science went through a full circle, and herewith you repeated for me the kind of reaction with which Darwin was forced to put up. Intriguing?
Totalizm on Wed May 23, 2012 1:30 am
| Totalizm wrote: |
| Dear Loremar,
There is a simple explanation why God terminates lives of selected young children (or makes these children disabled). I provided this explanation in items #D1 to #D3 of my web page named "god_exists.htm" (in order to view that web page, you just need to replace the name "will.htm" with the name "god_exists.htm" in any address which I provided in my original post above). This explanation boils down to the fact indicated in the Bible (for details see item #B4.1 on my web page named "immortality.htm"), that each person, including also you (i.e. the reader), actually passes two or three times through the entire own life (i.e. each one of us lives two or even three times, before finally dies forever). Only that from the end of each of these passages through time, each one of us is shifted back in time to the very beginning of own life, while God simultaneously erases his or her conscious memory (this explains why we all feel sometimes the "dejavu"). In the first passage through time God only watches what we do, or what we wish to do. Only in second passage God adjusts our lives to His own goals and plans. Thus, when we believe that a child dies at very early age, actually this child already lived the full life sometimes even up to three times. By allowing him or her to live two or three times, God determined that this particular person is already a "hopeless case" which is going to act against God’s plans and goals after reaching the adult age, and thus that God does NOT have any other option but to terminate the life of this person or make this person disabled – so that after it becomes an adult it is unable to mass up God’s plans and goals. With the totaliztic salute, Jan Pajak |
I don't believe that. You're inventing this because you need to insist that God kills and torture kids for reasons as part of his divine plan. If it's true that we undergo some rebirths and part of that process is erasing past memories then certainly a person can start anew and have a chance to do better. What's the point of erasing memories if you have to pass judgement based on past lives. That utterly defeats the idea of starting new. If you truly want to give a person a chance then why the life-time torture and the premature killing? Still doesn't answer the question.
Why is it hard to infer that some kids are just misfortunate? It's much easier to conclude that there is no God who impose Divine Plan by afflicting suffering and death to young kids; rather than inventing things to force such kind of belief.
loremar on Wed May 23, 2012 2:04 am
Why do you think I would believe information about a person I don't know on their site? That would be extremely naive and I'm not that.
I don't doubt your scientific credentials - I flat out say you haven't got any. Your site contains a mix of pseudo-science and plain non-science or nonsense. Garbage about reverse friction and telekinetic cells is a sure indication of either a troll or a severely deluded/misguided person....I don't know which, so I covered my options.
Really? Well maybe a bit more 'research' is indicated. Darwin's work was received very well by many - it was largely the idiots of a 'religious persuasion' that gave him (or tried to give him) a hard time, and even then most of that was directed as his 'bulldog' - Thomas Huxley...
I don't doubt your scientific credentials - I flat out say you haven't got any. Your site contains a mix of pseudo-science and plain non-science or nonsense. Garbage about reverse friction and telekinetic cells is a sure indication of either a troll or a severely deluded/misguided person....I don't know which, so I covered my options.
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| P.S. Do you know that your post above closed the round circle followed by the human knowledge. Namely, when Charles Darwin published his “On the origins of species” in 1859, the welcome his research received was almost exactly the same as you gave me for my discovery of the “survival of most moral” principle described in my post. |
Bikerman on Wed May 23, 2012 2:38 am
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| Darwin's work was received very well by many... |
This is quite an extraordinary interpretation of history! Should I undertand that according to your definion of "received very well", my theories and ideas are also "received very well"?
With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak
Totalizm on Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:36 am
Not according to the various texts I've written concerning Darwin's life and works.
It is true that he took the criticisms he received poorly, as can be seen by his weak willed alteration of the original printing in future editions, but, the fact remains that the scientific community largely (though certainly not universally) read it for what it was, rather than what it represented for religious thought.
It is true that he took the criticisms he received poorly, as can be seen by his weak willed alteration of the original printing in future editions, but, the fact remains that the scientific community largely (though certainly not universally) read it for what it was, rather than what it represented for religious thought.
Ankhanu on Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:47 am