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Its offensive to me if you eat cow
Cow is revered as God in my religion, and in my country Nepal. (actually a little research can reveal almost all religions have at least cited the good qualities of Cow; see below**) She is the holy mother. And if someone eats beef in front of me offends me a lot. So beware! 
If you can't stop eating meat, at least stop eating Cow and see the good effects. You will save the world, the whole human race by just not eating Cow. Read this:
So are you ready to exorcise the demon in you?
also at http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-97672.html for vegetarian diet.
[Did you know Cow killing is a serious offence in my country , so its very very illegal to eat cow there? But recently, after the so-called people's uprising has not only thrown the monarchy but also made people forcefully to eat cows. So, aren't those demons who are trying to do that? Please, if you can stop eating Cow do it today. Don't be fooled.]
**From wikipedia I can see that:
If you can't stop eating meat, at least stop eating Cow and see the good effects. You will save the world, the whole human race by just not eating Cow. Read this:
| Quote: |
| Meat-Eating's Wider Effects
A nonvegetarian diet has a devastating impact on our planet's well being SWAMI DAYANANDA SARASWATI The Himalayan Glaciers have been the perennial source of water for rivers such as the Ganga, Yamuna, Brahmaputra and Sindhu. Now the disturbing news is that the glaciers are receding due to global warming. This problem is real, and in India it will cause irredeemable damage if it is not addressed. One will find it difficult to believe the contention of some ecologists that the Ganga and other rivers of Himalayan origin will cease to flow in six to forty years. As a human being, I have a custodial relationship to Mother Earth. Global warming testifies to how indifferent and careless we have been in discharging our caretaking responsibilities. A report from the United Nations in 2006 revealed the surprising fact that "raising animals for food generates more greenhouse gases than all the cars and trucks in the world combined." Tens of billions of animals farmed for food release gases such as methane, nitrous oxide and carbon dioxide through their massive amounts of manure. Animals such as cows and sheep, being ruminant, emit huge amounts of methane due to flatulence and burping. "The released methane," the report says, "has 23 times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide." It is very alarming to note that livestock industry alone is responsible for 37 percent of human-induced methane emissions. To make room for these animals to graze, virgin forests are cleared. The livestock industry also needs vast stretches of land to raise mono crops to feed the animals. The carbon dioxide that the trees and plants store escapes back into the air when they are destroyed. Growing fodder for farmed animals implies heavy use of synthetic fertilizers produced from fossil fuels. While this process emits a huge amount of carbon dioxide, fertilizers themselves release nitrous oxide, a greenhouse gas that is 296 times more potent than carbon dioxide. Alarming as these facts are, i see in them a reason for hope. All that people all over the world have to do is to avoid meat eating. In the absence of demand for meat there is no more need for breeding millions of animals for daily slaughter. The meat lobby cannot do anything if the change comes from individuals. A single person, by simply not consuming meat, prevents 1.5 tons of carbon dioxide emissions in a year. This is more than the one ton prevented by switching from a large sedan to a small car. One needs to have an honest commitment to save Mother Earth, who has been relentlessly patient and magnanimous. There is no justification for one to continue to be a nonvegetarian, knowing these devastating consequences. Promotion of vegetarianism does not require any legislation from the state. It does require a change of heart on the part of meat eaters everywhere. I cannot appeal to the tigers and wolves. They are programmed to be what they are. Being endowed with free will, only a human being can make a difference by exercising his or her choice responsibility. |
So are you ready to exorcise the demon in you?
also at http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-97672.html for vegetarian diet.
[Did you know Cow killing is a serious offence in my country , so its very very illegal to eat cow there? But recently, after the so-called people's uprising has not only thrown the monarchy but also made people forcefully to eat cows. So, aren't those demons who are trying to do that? Please, if you can stop eating Cow do it today. Don't be fooled.]
**From wikipedia I can see that:
- The Evangelist St. Luke is depicted as an ox in Christian art.
The Maasai tribe of East Africa traditionally believe that all cows on earth are the God-given property of the Maasai
Krishna is brought up in a family of cowherders, and given the name Govinda (protector of the cows).
Also Shiva is traditionally said to ride on the back of a bull named Nandi.
sorry dude - roat beef seared the right way with home made gravy is my picture of heaven - too god to give up. Maybe I could be persuaded t o give up pork or chicken, but not beef. no way hose
| j_f_k wrote: |
| sorry dude - roat beef seared the right way with home made gravy is my picture of heaven - too god to give up. Maybe I could be persuaded t o give up pork or chicken, but not beef. no way hose |
Freudian slip there i feel
Man, if I could give it up I would. I have often thought, there are all these people that don't eat beef, they must do it for reason, I wonder whether I can find that reason too. But I've spent my whole life eating beef that it's really hard to change.
That said, I do think you have a very strong argument and I will give it a lot of thought.
| supernova1987a wrote: |
| And if someone eats beef in front of me offends me a lot. So beware!
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If I tell you I am extremely offended if you eat chicken would you stop?
| ocalhoun wrote: | ||
If I tell you I am extremely offended if you eat chicken would you stop? |
Good point raised. If we gave in to everyones demands and tried to make everyone happy, we would be eating very little and have even less to choose from. If someone doesnt like to eat beef/cow, that is fine. They should NOT be forced to eat anything they do not wish to eat. But if someone LIKES to eat beef/cow, there should be no one telling that person not to eat it. People are different. The only thing we can do to appease others is to not judge them. If they eat meat or not, it should not matter.
I do not eat ham. I believe ham causes lust. However I do eat cow, I think it allows us to have strength, I believe it contains the fire tattwa. To each their own however, especially on this topic.
To each his own, don't force your beliefs on other people.
I will say one thing though, domesticated cows are incredibly stupid mammals (mostly because they are NOT predators, and they really don't have any thing that eats them (naturally).
I will say one thing though, domesticated cows are incredibly stupid mammals (mostly because they are NOT predators, and they really don't have any thing that eats them (naturally).
In all seriousness, I do not understand how people can give up anything like meat or whatever. Eating healthy is hard already, without having to restrict yourself.
On the note of beef, if you go to Europe, try the Steak Tartare.
On the note of beef, if you go to Europe, try the Steak Tartare.
Same in India, especially northern parts of India - killing cows for meat is often considered an offense on religious basis and in some situations, you may be punished for disturbing religious sentiments. In south India, some people eat cow's meat, especially in Kerala, my state.
According to me, choosing what you eat should be your personal freedom but at the same time, I must consider the sentiments of other around me also. If I am living in a country where people would not eat cow, I will not do that. Else, it is up to my choice.
Harmony achieved, right ??
According to me, choosing what you eat should be your personal freedom but at the same time, I must consider the sentiments of other around me also. If I am living in a country where people would not eat cow, I will not do that. Else, it is up to my choice.
Harmony achieved, right ??
I agree with vineeth. Let's put it this way... I wouldn't eat cow meat (beef?) in front of you, and/or in your country simply because I respect your traditions. But in my home? I'll eat it raw if I want to.
Thanks for the interesting information though!
Thanks for the interesting information though!
If I'm honest, it's not my loss. You've chosen not to eat something in particular. Good for you. Well done. Just don't go telling me what I should/shouldn't eat etc. It's just silly!
| Helios wrote: |
| I'll eat it raw if I want to. |
You make it sound as if that's a very absurd thing to do, yet I'd argue that one of the best forms of beef is steak tartare, where the meat is in fact, raw.
All this being said, If I was out to lunch with someone who considers cows sacred, or in a place where cows are sacred, I'm clearly not going to order a beef dish, however if I'm out on my own, I have no inhibitions ordering that which I desire.
to be honest, I'll continue eat meat (and cows)
but infront of you and the people that believe in cows I won't eat
sorry
but infront of you and the people that believe in cows I won't eat
sorry
Yes, Steak Tartare is damned fine stuff. Un-cooked beef is extremely rich and heavy though, I found it hard to digest, mind you I ate a bucketfull.....
What was this thread about? oh, right...ok, sorry supernova1987a. tough cause to fight but I'll give my thoughts, you might only ever succeed in convincing some of the people some of the time though. Briefly...
You're convictions are mixed and so impact is lost, it seems as though you'd ideally have no one eat any kind of meat but then you're scaling it down to just Cow (strictly it's *c*ow, whatever). This creates an uncertainty about the pitch, and straight away it infers complacency to the reader.
Your quote is unattributed. Who and where published?
Most obviously, as echoed in the replies so far: DON'T begin a plea for change that involves the words ''...my religion...''. This alienates many people instantly. (don't get me started, y'know, people are very touchy about their religions. Apart from us atheists... ooooohh)
I understand that this peoples uprising thing has caused a resentment. Some folks have crashed in thinking they can make you do whatever. Demons, I suppose, but really they're just humans like you or I doing what comes naturally to the species... bossing people about, or being bossed about by angry people who don't feel loved. You're a smart guy, and I hope you can get you're monarchy back if thats what you want. However, to communicate with the bitter masses, you must move to a neutral ground with them, and essentially everyone if you wanna change the world.
SO: cut the religion, tell me I can still eat chicken, put more emphasis on saving the environment and try not to use passive aggressive phrases like ''So beware'' and ''Don't be fooled''.
Am I being fair? I think you raise a very valid issue.
What was this thread about? oh, right...ok, sorry supernova1987a. tough cause to fight but I'll give my thoughts, you might only ever succeed in convincing some of the people some of the time though. Briefly...
You're convictions are mixed and so impact is lost, it seems as though you'd ideally have no one eat any kind of meat but then you're scaling it down to just Cow (strictly it's *c*ow, whatever). This creates an uncertainty about the pitch, and straight away it infers complacency to the reader.
Your quote is unattributed. Who and where published?
Most obviously, as echoed in the replies so far: DON'T begin a plea for change that involves the words ''...my religion...''. This alienates many people instantly. (don't get me started, y'know, people are very touchy about their religions. Apart from us atheists... ooooohh)
I understand that this peoples uprising thing has caused a resentment. Some folks have crashed in thinking they can make you do whatever. Demons, I suppose, but really they're just humans like you or I doing what comes naturally to the species... bossing people about, or being bossed about by angry people who don't feel loved. You're a smart guy, and I hope you can get you're monarchy back if thats what you want. However, to communicate with the bitter masses, you must move to a neutral ground with them, and essentially everyone if you wanna change the world.
SO: cut the religion, tell me I can still eat chicken, put more emphasis on saving the environment and try not to use passive aggressive phrases like ''So beware'' and ''Don't be fooled''.
Am I being fair? I think you raise a very valid issue.
As said above, I feel people should be free to make their own choices, while being sensitive to the needs of others around them.
If I told you my religion made it highly offensive to eat vegetables, would you stop? Or if it said that it was considered an offering to the gods to eat cow, and that you were offending them if you didn't eat it, would you eat it? The first example is kinda out there, but the second one is true of some African religions (the cow is sacred, but when sacrificed to the ancestors, it becomes an honour to eat it).
If I met you, and you told me what you posted above, I wouldn't eat it in front of you. But I'm not going to change my eating habits because of one stranger's single forum post.
If I told you my religion made it highly offensive to eat vegetables, would you stop? Or if it said that it was considered an offering to the gods to eat cow, and that you were offending them if you didn't eat it, would you eat it? The first example is kinda out there, but the second one is true of some African religions (the cow is sacred, but when sacrificed to the ancestors, it becomes an honour to eat it).
If I met you, and you told me what you posted above, I wouldn't eat it in front of you. But I'm not going to change my eating habits because of one stranger's single forum post.
I respect your beliefs but bare in mind I have beliefs and views as well. I would respect your beliefs highly in terms of not eating cow in front of you for example but in my own home, it's my choice if I want to eat that kind of meat. I can see your reasoning behind not eating it though.
I'm in agreement with helios and ftv_flung. I'd probably not bring a steak into your house, slap it down on the table raw, plunge a fork into its beefy depths, and look with amusement as the juices spray over your newspaper.
However, if I was in a restaurant as I am regularly with my usual team - friends/family/Dr Evil, and as I was hammering through my sirloin I saw you out of the corner of my eye staring with disgust, I'd be a bit annoyed.
If you invited me out to a meal, I wouldn't order that on the menu out of sheer courtesy - provided I knew your feelings beforehand.
Question - What would you do if I had the beef in front of me and you told me about that belief and I said "well, OK, I won't have this out of respect for you, I'll have something else, Super, but then I'll have to pay for this beef on top of the replacement meal. Perhaps since its your belief and my compassionate gesture you might pay for the beef or at least pick up half the tab?"? Can you pay for beef or just not eat it?
Also, if, as in the second example, you were with another group of people and unknown to me, would you openly protest about my bovine contents? Would you inwardly protest? Meaning that you'd scornfully swear under your breath and give dirty looks?
Honestly, if you came over and confronted me, which I'm sure you wouldn't do, and said that you find it insulting, do you think that would stop me? after all, you're a stranger, what do i care if i offend you. What do i care if, while i'm enjoying this pleasant slice of meat under some pepper sauce, that you're sitting at the other table with your arms crossed, brow deeply furrowed, talking behind my back? My point is that it wouldn't affect me to have someone upset over something i'm doing because they have a belief about it. It's not my fault that you have this feeling. It's also nobody elses. I would say its quite rude.
I like cows, they are quiet, docile creatures, and if they halted beef production because we decided that the cows need to be saved for beliefs of peace towards them, I'd be perfectly happy. I was thinking just tonight that i've never seen an old cow, or even a dead one that died of natural causes or suicide. They are just to useful for our race. So I eat it because its dead already. If I push that plate of steak in the restaurant away, it's not going to go "Moo".
I know there are healthier choices than meat. It's heavy, makes you tired because of all of the work your body needs to assimilate and eliminate it. It's also very acidic which, in mass, will cause you body to retain fat and water. But this isn't a health issue. It's morals, beliefs and politeness in society.
So where was I?....er.....yeah so i would be courteous if i knew your feelings but otherwise you could get f*d.
However, if I was in a restaurant as I am regularly with my usual team - friends/family/Dr Evil, and as I was hammering through my sirloin I saw you out of the corner of my eye staring with disgust, I'd be a bit annoyed.
If you invited me out to a meal, I wouldn't order that on the menu out of sheer courtesy - provided I knew your feelings beforehand.
Question - What would you do if I had the beef in front of me and you told me about that belief and I said "well, OK, I won't have this out of respect for you, I'll have something else, Super, but then I'll have to pay for this beef on top of the replacement meal. Perhaps since its your belief and my compassionate gesture you might pay for the beef or at least pick up half the tab?"? Can you pay for beef or just not eat it?
Also, if, as in the second example, you were with another group of people and unknown to me, would you openly protest about my bovine contents? Would you inwardly protest? Meaning that you'd scornfully swear under your breath and give dirty looks?
Honestly, if you came over and confronted me, which I'm sure you wouldn't do, and said that you find it insulting, do you think that would stop me? after all, you're a stranger, what do i care if i offend you. What do i care if, while i'm enjoying this pleasant slice of meat under some pepper sauce, that you're sitting at the other table with your arms crossed, brow deeply furrowed, talking behind my back? My point is that it wouldn't affect me to have someone upset over something i'm doing because they have a belief about it. It's not my fault that you have this feeling. It's also nobody elses. I would say its quite rude.
I like cows, they are quiet, docile creatures, and if they halted beef production because we decided that the cows need to be saved for beliefs of peace towards them, I'd be perfectly happy. I was thinking just tonight that i've never seen an old cow, or even a dead one that died of natural causes or suicide. They are just to useful for our race. So I eat it because its dead already. If I push that plate of steak in the restaurant away, it's not going to go "Moo".
I know there are healthier choices than meat. It's heavy, makes you tired because of all of the work your body needs to assimilate and eliminate it. It's also very acidic which, in mass, will cause you body to retain fat and water. But this isn't a health issue. It's morals, beliefs and politeness in society.
So where was I?....er.....yeah so i would be courteous if i knew your feelings but otherwise you could get f*d.
| supernova1987a wrote: |
| And if someone eats beef in front of me offends me a lot. So beware!
|
In my religion it’s a transgression to be offended. But I think you could have a point about the health hazards on eating red meat. Unfortunately I also have a myriad of other bad habits that’s bound to be my undoing long before the ingestion of cow. Radiation from a PC monitor. Radiation from TV. Radiation from the sun. Microwaves escaping from my microwave oven. Microwaves from my cell phone. Growth hormones from the chicken I eat. Insecticides from the veggies I eat. Plastic. Asbestos. Benzene. Alcohol. Motor vehicle emissions. Factory emissions. Driving a motorcar. Crossing the street. Using lifts. Riding on escalators. Going into sick buildings. Eating fried food.
^ Radiation from PC monitors and TV's is only harmful to the eyes, and only after long exposure. And the microwave leaks (and signals) from your microwave oven and cell phone are too low level and too brief to cause any damage. (If you could be harmed by RF radiation at that low of a level, then any airport would be a deathtrap because of the radar transmissions.)
Only if you actually know it's beef. Ah, ignorance can be bliss...
People take religion WAY too seriously.
If you believe eating beef is wrong, then don't eat it. Leave others alone. We'll eat what we believe is right to eat.
It should be that simple.
If you believe eating beef is wrong, then don't eat it. Leave others alone. We'll eat what we believe is right to eat.
It should be that simple.
The good thing is - for original poster - that more and more people are becoming vegetarians, I have even vegan in the family, who don't eats anything of the animal origin, even in trace amounts.
I could be mistaken, but it seems, that supply of beef is mainly comes from young bulls, not the female cows - they gain muscular mass faster.
About offensive things for ones, what are common occurrence for the others: as I understand, the usual solution is do not attend the same places.
Dark Lord worshipers (sorry, if the terms is wrong, this is most gentle term picked from the movie) and Christians practice their religions separately to avoid religious wars, Protestants and Catholics and so on.
One founds offending the cow is a sin, another practice halal as a suitable way to deal with food supply, even Dalai Lamas (can be mistaken again, this was translation of Dalai Lama memoirs) can eat meat, if killing the animal wasn't ordered by him.
For ones eating cow meat is sinful, because it is holy, for others - pork, because it is dirty, for thirds - any meat, because only animals can suffer from the killing (?! what about plants and other live organisms). Thirds have to be able to live in cold climate, perform intensive work for a prolonged periods of time, and buy whatever food they can afford and able to digest without particular side effects (pork, lamp, fish, lentils, soy fall in side effects category for some). Not much a choice.
Table mannerisms of the people, that are eating in front of me, are frequently offensive to me, not for religious reasons. TV ads of the food, food serving establishments and some diet programs, in most case make me shudder in disgust, seeing shoveling down the food, demonstratively keeping hand to pick the food, falling from the open mouth, keeping elbows at the shoulder level, widely aside, with the head, deeply ducking in the shoulders. Same for the people, the demonstratively display their disgust of other people. So far I found the only one way - do not eat, where these people are eating (yes, this drastically limits my options in different culture or different social level part of the city) and close eyes, leave the room or stop watching TV - for TV ads.
If the original post was more not about offensiveness of eating in presence or mutual respect of different religions and economic classes, but about particular qualities of cows - I have no knowledge in details of this, post more, please.
I could be mistaken, but it seems, that supply of beef is mainly comes from young bulls, not the female cows - they gain muscular mass faster.
About offensive things for ones, what are common occurrence for the others: as I understand, the usual solution is do not attend the same places.
Dark Lord worshipers (sorry, if the terms is wrong, this is most gentle term picked from the movie) and Christians practice their religions separately to avoid religious wars, Protestants and Catholics and so on.
One founds offending the cow is a sin, another practice halal as a suitable way to deal with food supply, even Dalai Lamas (can be mistaken again, this was translation of Dalai Lama memoirs) can eat meat, if killing the animal wasn't ordered by him.
For ones eating cow meat is sinful, because it is holy, for others - pork, because it is dirty, for thirds - any meat, because only animals can suffer from the killing (?! what about plants and other live organisms). Thirds have to be able to live in cold climate, perform intensive work for a prolonged periods of time, and buy whatever food they can afford and able to digest without particular side effects (pork, lamp, fish, lentils, soy fall in side effects category for some). Not much a choice.
Table mannerisms of the people, that are eating in front of me, are frequently offensive to me, not for religious reasons. TV ads of the food, food serving establishments and some diet programs, in most case make me shudder in disgust, seeing shoveling down the food, demonstratively keeping hand to pick the food, falling from the open mouth, keeping elbows at the shoulder level, widely aside, with the head, deeply ducking in the shoulders. Same for the people, the demonstratively display their disgust of other people. So far I found the only one way - do not eat, where these people are eating (yes, this drastically limits my options in different culture or different social level part of the city) and close eyes, leave the room or stop watching TV - for TV ads.
If the original post was more not about offensiveness of eating in presence or mutual respect of different religions and economic classes, but about particular qualities of cows - I have no knowledge in details of this, post more, please.
I'm ok with sondosia.
it's your choice not to eat beef.
However, if you are offended I respect that, and I'll not eat a steak in front of you.
it's your choice not to eat beef.
However, if you are offended I respect that, and I'll not eat a steak in front of you.
| sondosia wrote: |
| People take religion WAY too seriously.
If you believe eating beef is wrong, then don't eat it. Leave others alone. We'll eat what we believe is right to eat. It should be that simple. |
i like to eat cow and i never coming to stop this eating 
and i accept if somebody dont wont to eat cow or he religion negate it.
and i accept if somebody dont wont to eat cow or he religion negate it.| supernova1987a wrote: |
| And if someone eats beef in front of me offends me a lot. So beware! |
And I am offended that that offends you. Eating beef is against your religion, but that doesn't mean it's against anyone else's. You should be offended if someone tries to make you eat beef, not if they themselves are eating it. It is not your place to tell others what they should and should not eat. Nor do you have any moral authority to tell others what they are permitted to eat in front of you. they can shoose to respect your request, but they can choose not to. It's their choice, not yours; just as it is your choice to not eat a delicious hamburger prepared by your host in their home. Should you beware that they would be offended if you refused to eat it?
The exception is if they are in your country where it is the culture to worship bovines instead of eating them. That is when "When in Rome, do as the Romans" applies. But otherwise you have to accept the fact that people of other faiths or no faith eat beef, and will continue to do so. So be a vegetarian if you want, but don't try to force your views on other people. They have a free will to choose to eat as little or as much beef as they want.
.....so look away while I dine =)
Frihost is revered as God in my religion, and in my country the Netherlands. (actually a little research can reveal almost all religions have at least cited the good qualities of Frihost; see below**) She is the holy mother. And if supernova1987a posts in front of me offends me a lot. So beware!
If you can't stop posting messages, at least stop posting on Frihost and see the good effects. You will save the world, the whole human race by just not posting on Frihost.
Are you going to stop posting on Frihost after reading this?
[0] Yes
[0] No
If you can't stop posting messages, at least stop posting on Frihost and see the good effects. You will save the world, the whole human race by just not posting on Frihost.
Are you going to stop posting on Frihost after reading this?
[0] Yes
[0] No
Am I the only person here besides supernova1987a who doesn't eat beef?
Er, well, I guess hamburger kinda counts...
Er, well, I guess hamburger kinda counts...
I don't eat a lot of beef because it's unhealthy and for environmental reasons. My diet is in no way, shape, or form dependent on some religion (I hate religion). It's dependent on the reasons I already mentioned: environmental and health. I like fruits, vegetables, and pasta.
| supernova1987a wrote: |
| actually a little research can reveal almost all religions have at least cited the good qualities of Cow |
I know what you mean, they taste wonderfully.
Now for real, as this has to do with religion, you can't feel offended because of other people not doing what you're doing. That's what a lot of religious people still need to learn.
Topic moved to Religion.
if you can get vegetables to taste like stake then i will become a vegie until then the cow has to go
If we stopped doing everything that offended someone, what would we have left?
You say you don't eat meat because the cow is holy in your religion, and then you back it up with something that says you shouldn't eat cow because "animals such as cows and sheep, being ruminant, emit huge amounts of methane due to flatulence and burping".
If we should stop eating cows because of the methane gas they fart and burp, should we stop using wool for our clothing? I think not.
If we should stop eating cows because of the methane gas they fart and burp, should we stop using wool for our clothing? I think not.
It is heavily against my religious beliefs not eating beef, or anything else which is good for you and might keep you from starving to death
People of different places have different cultures, and these things do usually have nothing to do with actual religion at all. Like the fact that Musilims can't eat pig, because in the area where Islam came to be, pigs were likely to carry dangerous viruses. That's the simple truth of it, and it is not a big deal.
The no-cow-eating part of the original poster's culture probably has some similar social function. Not that I remember what it is, but there is probably one.
So, eat and be merry. The life is too short for funny rules which give no meaning at all.
People of different places have different cultures, and these things do usually have nothing to do with actual religion at all. Like the fact that Musilims can't eat pig, because in the area where Islam came to be, pigs were likely to carry dangerous viruses. That's the simple truth of it, and it is not a big deal.
The no-cow-eating part of the original poster's culture probably has some similar social function. Not that I remember what it is, but there is probably one.
So, eat and be merry. The life is too short for funny rules which give no meaning at all.
This was not a religious post. This was on having a good diet that would be perfect for many reasons.
If you were religious then you would care for other's religion/faith/belief, and you wouldn't offend them. Also, if you were religious, you would not eat something that is considered holy in your own religion too.
If you were concerned about Global Warming and well-being of your planet, whether religious or non-religious, you would care about eating less meat.
The 'You can solve it-the climate crisis' website lists here http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/whatyoucando/index4.html that eating less meat is also one option for saving the climate.
About the offense stuff: There are always debates on these things, but for people in our country, Cow is a higher animal, higher than man. I think I heard somewhere just a couple of days back that Cow DNA matches 99.9 percent to human DNA. I am not sure and would like someone to find where the information can be found about it, if possible. How much it offends when someone eats 'human flesh', is the same for us when someone eats 'cow flesh' [So, I thought you would care about it].
I have also a thought that choosing animals with lesser intelligence, like chicken than those with higher intelligence like cows or apes, including many mammals would be wiser for many.
And its upon your own choice always, to eat or not eat anything.
[Anyway, I am a full vegetarian and am perfectly strong. Vegetarian diet will allow you to be healthier as well.]
[Some rage that arose in this thread might be because I wrote "exorcise your demons", ah!
]
If you were religious then you would care for other's religion/faith/belief, and you wouldn't offend them. Also, if you were religious, you would not eat something that is considered holy in your own religion too.
If you were concerned about Global Warming and well-being of your planet, whether religious or non-religious, you would care about eating less meat.
The 'You can solve it-the climate crisis' website lists here http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/whatyoucando/index4.html that eating less meat is also one option for saving the climate.
About the offense stuff: There are always debates on these things, but for people in our country, Cow is a higher animal, higher than man. I think I heard somewhere just a couple of days back that Cow DNA matches 99.9 percent to human DNA. I am not sure and would like someone to find where the information can be found about it, if possible. How much it offends when someone eats 'human flesh', is the same for us when someone eats 'cow flesh' [So, I thought you would care about it].
I have also a thought that choosing animals with lesser intelligence, like chicken than those with higher intelligence like cows or apes, including many mammals would be wiser for many.
And its upon your own choice always, to eat or not eat anything.
[Anyway, I am a full vegetarian and am perfectly strong. Vegetarian diet will allow you to be healthier as well.]
[Some rage that arose in this thread might be because I wrote "exorcise your demons", ah!
]| supernova1987a wrote: |
| I think I heard somewhere just a couple of days back that Cow DNA matches 99.9 percent to human DNA. |
All mammals share a large percentage of DNA with humans.
Compared to the group of all species, past and present, mammals are a small, closely related group, only recently differentiated from a common ancestor.
It depends how you measure the difference - there are different methods.
Depending on which method you choose Chimps are between 96% and 98.8% 'similar' to humans. Cows would be much less so - but I don't have any figures to hand.
Depending on which method you choose Chimps are between 96% and 98.8% 'similar' to humans. Cows would be much less so - but I don't have any figures to hand.
Well, I find it offensive that you find it offensive that I eat cows. 
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out...
(Mark 9:47)
(Mark 9:47)
I am agreeing with the views that it is the personal right that decides what we should eat and what we should not.
But should not think of the planet as your country where you can enjoy all the benefits of your laws and citizenship. In other places, especially in countries where people consider eating meat is a sin (even though I know that it is a stupidity), you need to be practical. It is certainly not that "you don't want to eat meat but you will not eat meat", this would be an ideal thought because others are not up to your ways of thought. They can be hurt easily but eating meat and I'm pretty sure you don't want to do that, in the name of your personal liberty.
In India, there are evidences to suggest that people of Vedic or pre-Vedic period used to eat meat. The prophet of Vedanta philosophy of 20th century, Swami Vivekananda used to eat non-veg food (I'm not sure if he eat meat or not). Most spiritual leaders of India adviced their followers that "Ear what fits your body" and that's all.
The idea of not to eat meat came much later in the society but it was not an accident. In India, people used to recognized, respect and even devote to things that is considered as giving only good to the society. Cow was such an animal which satisfied a lot of their needs. They got milk and milk products which was their main source of nutrition, ghee made from milk was used by Brahmins in religious rituals. Even the waste products of cow's digestion was used in India to make fuel (after drying cakes), used as an adhesive and plastering material in village houses, as an antiseptic to heal some infections (I'm amazed at this application, really). Its urine finds special importance in some Ayurvedic medicines. How a society can kill and eat such an animal?
And again, the idea of non-violence played an important part. The instrinct to kill and eat is there in all human beings. A Hindu is trying to rise above this mental instinct and go further towards his ultimate aims of life. In this aspect, they don't eat anything other that vegetables. An example for such a man was Mahatma Gandhi, the father of India. (Vegs are also living, why eat them then? I don't know really).
But should not think of the planet as your country where you can enjoy all the benefits of your laws and citizenship. In other places, especially in countries where people consider eating meat is a sin (even though I know that it is a stupidity), you need to be practical. It is certainly not that "you don't want to eat meat but you will not eat meat", this would be an ideal thought because others are not up to your ways of thought. They can be hurt easily but eating meat and I'm pretty sure you don't want to do that, in the name of your personal liberty.
In India, there are evidences to suggest that people of Vedic or pre-Vedic period used to eat meat. The prophet of Vedanta philosophy of 20th century, Swami Vivekananda used to eat non-veg food (I'm not sure if he eat meat or not). Most spiritual leaders of India adviced their followers that "Ear what fits your body" and that's all.
The idea of not to eat meat came much later in the society but it was not an accident. In India, people used to recognized, respect and even devote to things that is considered as giving only good to the society. Cow was such an animal which satisfied a lot of their needs. They got milk and milk products which was their main source of nutrition, ghee made from milk was used by Brahmins in religious rituals. Even the waste products of cow's digestion was used in India to make fuel (after drying cakes), used as an adhesive and plastering material in village houses, as an antiseptic to heal some infections (I'm amazed at this application, really). Its urine finds special importance in some Ayurvedic medicines. How a society can kill and eat such an animal?
And again, the idea of non-violence played an important part. The instrinct to kill and eat is there in all human beings. A Hindu is trying to rise above this mental instinct and go further towards his ultimate aims of life. In this aspect, they don't eat anything other that vegetables. An example for such a man was Mahatma Gandhi, the father of India. (Vegs are also living, why eat them then? I don't know really).
Beef FTW
I don't tell anyone to not eat pork away from me. I don't care if you eat pork in front of me, either (but clearly you care about people eating beef in front of me). Probably because you find cows sacred and stuff while to me pigs are filthy little bastards ^_^ (but Piglet was my favorite character in Winnie the Pooh.)
I don't tell anyone to not eat pork away from me. I don't care if you eat pork in front of me, either (but clearly you care about people eating beef in front of me). Probably because you find cows sacred and stuff while to me pigs are filthy little bastards ^_^ (but Piglet was my favorite character in Winnie the Pooh.)
| supernova1987a wrote: |
| [Some rage that arose in this thread might be because I wrote "exorcise your demons", ah! ] |
My religion doesn't ban to eat cow meat, so I won't stop eating it, because it's not forbidden to me. However my religion do forbids being a scandal reason for someone else. So I'm explicity forbidden of eating cow in front of you, because it is a scandal reason for you and your faith.
If someones consider something a sin, it is for him. I'd better respect those beliefs and not to try to force you to accept mine, if they could cause you commit a sin in yours.
If someones consider something a sin, it is for him. I'd better respect those beliefs and not to try to force you to accept mine, if they could cause you commit a sin in yours.
| supernova1987a wrote: |
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If you were concerned about Global Warming and well-being of your planet, whether religious or non-religious, you would care about eating less meat. |
This is absolutely true. I'm a vegetarian, I've been a vegetarian for about 5 yrs, and I do it because I have environmental concerns. There are other good reasons to do it (humanitarian reasons, health concerns, etc), but that is my reason. Were I a meat eater, and I knew that I was having lunch with someone who wouldn't eat beef because they believed that cows were higher beings, I wouldn't eat beef in front of them.
However, beliefs are a funny thing--they're different from one person to the next--so I wouldn't refrain from eating beef anywhere, just because someone I know believes in a religion that condemns it. Because I don't want to offend them, I don't do it in their presence.
On a side note, talking about offensive beef eaters, I am offended by the way people say things like: "yeah man I would give it up but I just love meat too much and it's too hard to change".
Here's the truth: eating meat isn't really difficult to give up. It's not a personality quirk, which might actually be difficult to identify and modify. It's not even an addiction. You're not talking about your smoking habit. Eating meat is a behavior. You can stop any time you want. If you wanted to give up meat, you could stop eating it. You could stop buying it from the grocery store. You could not order it from restaurants. In fact, if you live in the US, you wouldn't even have to change your diet that much because there are a variety of meat substitutes available in regular grocery stores.
Instead of saying "giving up meat is too hard" it's better if you tell the truth, which is, "I don't care enough."
If you think there are good reasons to give up eating beef or meat, but you don't, and you're not living under extreme circumstances (say, you joined the peace corp and they stationed you in Nepal and the only thing they're giving you for your dinner is a yak every night), it's because you don't care enough. Not because you can't.
Thanks for all the comments guys!
Dear Super Nova
Actually the non eating of the Cow has Budhhist beginnings
In ancient Hinduism cow was eaten and was also a delicacy that was offered specailly to guests
1.Dharma Sutras (in particular Brahma Rishi Vashista) lists all the meat that one can eat, including beef
2. Check my Name
yagnyavalkya
He was a great sage who wrote the Brhadaryanka Upanishad In the text he clearly says he would like to eat beef that is "nice and tender"
3. Check this book "Life in the Upanishads"
By Shubhra Sharma where he clearly says that beef eating was not prohibited
3. There are two passages in the Satapatha Brahmana which relate to against beef-eating. One is at 111.1.2.21 and reads as follows :-
4. The Dharmasutras list a number of animals and birds that are fit to be eaten including the cow. The cow was also the preferred dakshina, or sacrificial fee, to pay to Brahmin priests. When Vishwamitra came to visit Vashishta he ordered his disciples to kill a bull in honour of his guest.
5. Verse 1-5-14-19 of the Apastambha Dharma Sutra actually says that the cow is holy and is therefore to be eaten.
6. In the Mahabharata, 2,000 cows were slaughtered every day in the kitchen of king Rantideva who used to distribute beef and food grains to many Brahmins.
7.Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
8.Adi Shankaracharya’ commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : ‘Odan’ (rice) mixed with meat is called ‘Mansodan’. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers ‘Uksha’. ‘Uksha’ is used for an ox, which is capable to produce semen.
From various sources inthe internet and hard copy original texts
It was the advent of Buddhism that feared the brahmins of India and they started formulating the rules similar to Buddhism and forbade beef eating
Actually the non eating of the Cow has Budhhist beginnings
In ancient Hinduism cow was eaten and was also a delicacy that was offered specailly to guests
1.Dharma Sutras (in particular Brahma Rishi Vashista) lists all the meat that one can eat, including beef
2. Check my Name
yagnyavalkya
He was a great sage who wrote the Brhadaryanka Upanishad In the text he clearly says he would like to eat beef that is "nice and tender"
3. Check this book "Life in the Upanishads"
By Shubhra Sharma where he clearly says that beef eating was not prohibited
3. There are two passages in the Satapatha Brahmana which relate to against beef-eating. One is at 111.1.2.21 and reads as follows :-
4. The Dharmasutras list a number of animals and birds that are fit to be eaten including the cow. The cow was also the preferred dakshina, or sacrificial fee, to pay to Brahmin priests. When Vishwamitra came to visit Vashishta he ordered his disciples to kill a bull in honour of his guest.
5. Verse 1-5-14-19 of the Apastambha Dharma Sutra actually says that the cow is holy and is therefore to be eaten.
6. In the Mahabharata, 2,000 cows were slaughtered every day in the kitchen of king Rantideva who used to distribute beef and food grains to many Brahmins.
7.Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
8.Adi Shankaracharya’ commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : ‘Odan’ (rice) mixed with meat is called ‘Mansodan’. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers ‘Uksha’. ‘Uksha’ is used for an ox, which is capable to produce semen.
From various sources inthe internet and hard copy original texts
It was the advent of Buddhism that feared the brahmins of India and they started formulating the rules similar to Buddhism and forbade beef eating
you dont eat cow? fine
or meat on fridays? fine
or pork? fine
you like to walk only backwards? fine too
wear a hat? great
poke yur nose? gross but ok
burp after a good meal? yep, so do i
to each his/her own.
for whatever reasons. habit. religion. culture.
i respect that.
i also expect that you respect what i dont like.
it's all about respect. you do what you like. i do what i like. we respect each other.
we are nice people so we don't try to offend each other - again, show respect.
show consideration.
easy really.
or meat on fridays? fine
or pork? fine
you like to walk only backwards? fine too
wear a hat? great
poke yur nose? gross but ok
burp after a good meal? yep, so do i
to each his/her own.
for whatever reasons. habit. religion. culture.
i respect that.
i also expect that you respect what i dont like.
it's all about respect. you do what you like. i do what i like. we respect each other.
we are nice people so we don't try to offend each other - again, show respect.
show consideration.
easy really.
| supernova1987a wrote: |
| And if someone eats beef in front of me offends me a lot. So beware! |
just for that, i will henceforth eat at least three hamburgers a day for the rest of the month
lol...i can't believe I am just seeing this thread for the first time! As long as the cow doesn't have some sort of disease, then it's gonna be eaten. Cow/Beef is the most basic meat that anyone and everyone from around the world can get!
No offense to your religion or anything, but that is quite impossible to people to do. Face it, if everyone respected the wishes and religions of everyone else...then nothing would ever get done on this planet cuz we will be to afraid to step on the toes of another persons religion.
One man's meat is another man's god.... i had to!
No offense to your religion or anything, but that is quite impossible to people to do. Face it, if everyone respected the wishes and religions of everyone else...then nothing would ever get done on this planet cuz we will be to afraid to step on the toes of another persons religion.
One man's meat is another man's god
.... i had to!Ok, first of all I respect all animal, and that is huge reason for me to be a vegetarian. But my favorite animal is COW. Actually I am follower of Vaidic religion. And In Vedic religion we believe that Cow is pious animal. We think they are “pujya”. We usually don’t eat meat or use any kind of animal product, except milk from cow. That is reason we pray to cow. And that is reason cow is my favorite animal. They serve us many ways, by providing milk and also helping us in farm. Also it is believed that cow’s milk is best for human brain. So it is out of appreciation toward Cow I have
mmmmm.... cowlicious...
this deals with cows briefly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUVg5UgC4T4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUVg5UgC4T4&feature=related
No offense to you, but no one really cares. If I tell you I'm offended by people having kids, do you think they'll care? N-O. The same applies here. It's not like it's going to hurt you by me eating cow. I mean, honestly, if you can see me in my home at all, you're going to jail. I'll make sure of it.
But this brings up another point:
Abortion and gay marriage are still illegal because it offends Christians. In what way is that different?
Abortion and gay marriage are still illegal because it offends Christians. In what way is that different?
| Stubru Freak wrote: |
| But this brings up another point:
Abortion and gay marriage are still illegal because it offends Christians. In what way is that different? |
It shouldn't be different, but christians are such a vast majoity in the U.S that it does make a huge difference.
| Stubru Freak wrote: |
| But this brings up another point:
Abortion and gay marriage are still illegal because it offends Christians. In what way is that different? |
Abortion is legal.
Gay marriage isn't because Christianity enjoys openly showing its prejudice and ability to suppress the rights of people they don't agree with. And also because nobody in Congress/Senate is brave enough to come out in full defense (and offense) of rights for homosexuals.
Everyone forgets how peaceful those poor little potatoes are till they get ripped out of the ground.
| Arnie wrote: |
| Frihost is revered as God in my religion, and in my country the Netherlands. (actually a little research can reveal almost all religions have at least cited the good qualities of Frihost; see below**) She is the holy mother. And if supernova1987a posts in front of me offends me a lot. So beware!
If you can't stop posting messages, at least stop posting on Frihost and see the good effects. You will save the world, the whole human race by just not posting on Frihost. Are you going to stop posting on Frihost after reading this? [0] Yes [0] No |
ROFLMAO!!!
<3
And Arnie wins the internet.
As for the topic, personally, I am a fan of medium rare cow carcass. Love it! Now... with that said, I would not come to your place and ask you for a steak and fries. I respect the traditions of others. However, if you came to my place, it would be equally rude for you to tell me (in my own home) to not eat beef.
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