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To Upgrade or Not to Upgrade?





IllusionSoftware
Lately I've been thikning about upgrading to Windows Vista. Though I have some fears. I use my computer mainly play games, development games and software, and other normal day-to-day stuff. So basically I'm asking is Vista worth the upgrade or not?

I'm mainly concerned about security (viruses, malaware, spyware, etc..). I use Avast and AVG for anti-virus and adaware and spybot for spyware and what not.
Fire Boar
No. In fact, XP is worth the "downgrade" from Vista. Vista is just... slow and rubbish, really. Don't bother shelling out the cash when you've got a perfectly workable - and superior - operating system.

There are people who will tell you that Vista manages memory better, loads of improvements, yadda yadda, but the thing is, there is also a heck of a lot of bloat. Stuff that you just will not need, ever. Stuff which insists on loading up when you boot. Stuff which is so integrated into the operating system, it will cause problems if you remove it. Windows has been like that for a very long time, and it's just getting worse in the interests of making Microsoft more money.
kansloos
Exactly, don't upgrade...

Don't worry about not being able to run your programs on XP, as XP still holds a large share of the market. It would be stupid to just develop programs for Vista, when more then half of the pc's in the world still run XP
erlendhg
Yes, I agree with both of you. I have been using Windows Vista for a year on school now, and it has only been giving disappointments.
You don't have to worry about security in Vista though - I believe that it actually is safer than xp.

I have heard about people with good computers running Vista smoothly. My laptop is not a very good machine, so Vista is terrible on it.

And since you are developing games, I would recommend that you stick with xp for compatibilitys sake.
ace_dude512
Still, I think that Vista would be better. At least it runs okay in my computer. And there are always tweaks that you can try.
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Have you guys tried Windows Vista SP1? Confused


WARNING: If the tweaks don't work and mess up with your computer, don't blame me. By the way, check out this website: http://www.instructables.com/id/WinXP-Overhaul-Guide-How-to-make-it-look-like-Vis/
ForceRun
Vista is a big bloated system, but is a lot better than when it was released. If you have the hardware, and play games I would hop over to Vista. And also remember XP is far from a good OS itself.
dmystic
Vista isnt really good in my opinion. It is XP, but better looking, and with much more bugs, leaks, instability and uncompatibility with older programs. If you play games i would not use Vista, because XP is still faster.

For development i wouldnt use Vista, becouse XP is faster, and, very important, more stable, because its so irritating to write code for 2 hours, and then let vista ruin it by showing their stupid blue screen of death.

because Vista is new, there are also more security leaks, another reason to use XP. But this is my opinion. I will not go to vista because it havent got anything new except of DirectX 10. But still bad for games because the screwed up the sound things, like hardware eax support.
myhearing
God, I really cant stand Vista. Im running XP at the moment and i actually think its great (although thats paritally due to how CRAP i think Vista is). Im actually contemplating going over to MAC Embarassed I know, Oh the shame in it. Either that or Linux. But i will only really think about doing that when XP becomes outdated. I wouldnt bother switching over at the moment, i dont really think its worth the hassle or cost (in system upgrades/resources or financially).
leontius
Don't upgrade. There is really no apparent benefit compared to XP besides the eyecandy. Security of Vista is maybe better but only because it is new. Just wait until those virus/worm/any malware makers upgrade their software to be compatible with vista...
Fire Boar
indianinworld wrote:
for your kind information, Microsoft Systems are always prone to Malware / Spyware / Virus attacks. No wonder - we abuse MicoSoft, but most of us can never live without it Razz


QFT. This is just the problem. Windows is for many people the only option on the market. Many people think that their computer is their desktop, it is the files and folders and Windows. They don't realise that Windows is just an operating system, and that there are alternatives.

Monopoly, in other words. I have broken the monopoly, and only use Linux unless I absolutely have to do something which I just can't get to work in Linux (there is I think one thing which qualifies here). I plan to use Linux from here on out. My Church are going to have a new computer system, I'm in charge of getting it set up and I'll be damned if it's going to be anything other than Linux. And it's going to be easy to use too.
sergiypro
no don't use install vista. Thousands people are complaining about it because it has so many bus and it's so uncomfortable to use.



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FAQ: Giving up on Vista? Here's how to downgrade to XP
Some users want to return to the days of yesteryear and Windows XP
Gregg Keizer Today’s Top Stories or Other Operating Systems Stories

October 02, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Microsoft Corp.'s decision last week to delay the end of Windows XP sales five months means users have just that much longer to jilt Vista and return to the older -- and some say more mature -- operating system. But even with XP's reprieve, few PCs come with anything but Vista. Even if you wanted to take advantage of the wider window of XP opportunity, you might not know where to start.

[Note: Corporations that acquire Microsoft operating system software through volume license agreements such as Select License, or who have signed up for Software Assurance, can downgrade any Windows software at any time.]

For the rest of us, just what does it take to turn back the clock? Read on for more about the trip to Windows yesteryear.

What is a downgrade? To Microsoft, "downgrade" describes the licensing rights it grants to older operating systems. Downgrade doesn't mean the process for rolling back Windows from Vista to XP, since there isn't such a procedure, not in the generally accepted use of "upgrade." In an older-to-newer move, developers usually make it possible to retain all the digital detritus on the drive, from already-installed applications and Word documents to iTunes tracks and family photos, while updating the system files. Not so in a downgrade.

Specifically, these downgrade rights lets owners of some versions of Vista replace it with Windows XP without having to pay for another license. In effect, the license for Vista is transferred to XP. Think of it as a swap, Vista for XP, not as an extra license. By Microsoft's end-user licensing agreement (EULA), you can't have both the Vista and its downgraded XP installed at the same time on the same or different machines. You have to pick: It's one or the other.

To the vast bulk of users, though, "downgrade" is a synonym for reverting to an older version. In that case, it simply means dumping Vista and returning to XP.

So, what downgrades does Microsoft allow? Owners of the OEM editions of Vista Business and Vista Ultimate can downgrade to Windows XP Professional, including Tablet PC Edition and x64 Edition. Only the OEM editions qualify for a downgrade, so if you purchased a new PC with either Business or Ultimate preinstalled, you're in like Flynn.

Those who aren't: All users of Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium, and anyone who upgraded to Vista using a retail edition of any of the operating system's SKUs. You are, as they say, SOL.

How do I downgrade? Install a copy of Windows XP Professional with the product key that came with the copy, and then when you hit the activation screen -- which is near the end of the installation process -- select the activate by phone option rather than the online method. You'll likely end up talking with a live rep; tell him that you're downgrading from Vista to XP, and give him the Vista product key. The rep is supposed to walk you through the rest.

Where do I get the XP install disc? Until this summer, Microsoft put the responsibility on the end users' shoulders. For example, in this Vista downgrade rights document (download PDF) targeting resellers, the company said "media is provided by the customer."

A few months ago, however, Microsoft relaxed, and began allowing resellers to provide Windows XP setup CDs to customers buying Vista Business- and Ultimate-equipped PCs. In some cases, discs are shipped with the PCs; in others, users must request them. Don't bother calling Microsoft; it won't provide installation media, and will instead direct you to your reseller.

If the computer maker won't send a Windows XP Pro disc, you're on your own. While perhaps not easy, getting your hands on the install media isn't impossible. Any copy of Windows XP Professional will do -- it doesn't matter if it's already been installed and/or whether the license is in use -- as long as you can find its product key. Install it (see "How do I downgrade?" above) using that key, then activate over the phone with the Vista key.

As a last resort, buy a copy. This isn't a downgrade, not as Microsoft defines it, but it's what most users think of when they use the term.

What can I do if I don't have downgrade rights? Nothing is stopping you from punting to XP other than the money invested in the Vista license already on the PC and what it will cost to replace it. The total may be inconsequential to some, a deal-breaker for others. But there are options.

Because you're paying for the swap, you can switch to any flavor of XP. Windows XP Home, for instance, typically sells online for between $50 and $90 less than Professional. Windows XP Media Center is usually priced between the two.

Once you pick an edition, you can choose from OEM, upgrade and full product versions, which are priced in that order, lowest first. OEM, often called "system builder," omits support and can only be installed on one machine, ever. Windows XP Home OEM is sold online at for around $90. The upgrade version, which runs about $100, can be installed, removed and installed on another PC, but requires proof that you own a legitimate copy of an older operating system. You don't need to install that predecessor, only insert its CD at some point during the XP installation. Eligible versions for an XP upgrade include Windows 98, Windows 98 SE and Windows Millennium.

Finally, there's the most expensive option: the full edition, which sells for around $190. No earlier Windows version is necessary to install this, and like the upgrade, it can be transferred later to another PC.

Of course, the most affordable downgrade is one using the XP installation CD you saved when you upgraded that well-worn machine of yours to Vista earlier this year. You did save it, right? If you didn't get an install disc with that box when you bought it -- and some vendors don't bother, instead slapping restore files in a hidden partition on the hard drive, which has been, of course, copied over by Vista -- you may be able to pry one from the reseller. Dell owners, for instance, can use an online form to request one free copy of the install CD.

I have XP and I'm ready to downgrade. Now what? From here, a downgrade is just like any clean install. You'll need to back up data files, record and/or copy settings and passwords, and make sure you have installation files and/or discs for the applications you'll reinstall in XP. If you've upgraded to software suitable for Vista, it's likely that the newer programs will also run under XP. Copying data and the application installation files you've downloaded from the Web is easiest if you plug in an external drive.

Set the PC's BIOS to boot from the CD/DVD drive -- check your computer's documentation or the manufacturer's Web site for details on this -- and reformat the primary drive. Install XP, then reinstall all applications and copy data and settings from the external drive.

There aren't any downgrade utilities to do the kind of work that upgrade, or migration tools, provide when you're moving up in the world, operating system-wise, so don't bother looking for them. Pity.

Any caveats? Although Vista has been out for less than a year, that's plenty of time for change. If you bought a machine preinstalled with Vista, make sure there are XP drivers for the PC, its components and any new peripherals before you downgrade. Check the computer maker's site. If you find any major holes, reconsider.

I'm lazy but still want to downgrade. What are my options? If you're fed up with Vista, but not so sick of it that you're ready to face a complete mulligan on the operating system, virtualization might be for you. Add virtualization machine software on the Vista-running PC, create a VM, then install XP into the VM. You'll still need a licensed copy of Windows XP to be legit. Fortunately, unlike Vista, XP's EULA doesn't forbid virtualization. (Only Vista Business and Ultimate, the downgrader's friends, can be legally run in a virtual environment.)

You really have three picks here, including Microsoft's own Virtual PC 2007 (free), SWsoft's Parallels Workstation ($50) and VMware Inc.'s VMware Workstation ($189).

The biggest bonus in going virtual is that if you change your mind -- again -- and decide Vista isn't so bad after all, you can just delete the VM and have your old, or new, machine back.



reference:http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9040318





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csoftdev
talking about security in windows is a joke. go for other os like linux or mac. windows is crap.
eekieskywalker
don upgrade... vista still got loads of bugs and it eats ram like mad...
kansloos
Anyways I think you shouldn't upgrade to Vista if XP suits you well right now.
Tinkering on things that work well, often cause them to break...
ace_dude512
If you want to get the Vista look, be sure to download my so-called Vista-lizer 1.0 when I release it. I'll give you guys the URL.
Note: This is not an installer to install a set of programs that help make your computer look like Vista like the VTP. Instead, this is a bunch of setup files, a Vista theme, Vista wallpapers, Vista screensavers and more extracted from real computers running Vista. Tweaks by CharredPC from Instructables (www.instructables.com)
ace_dude512
Vista is exactly 100% pure crap. Don't upgrade. I use Vista and I'm facing many troubles. It would be slower on a Core Duo than XP on a Pentium IV, even with XP having half the RAM.
nayloon
it is afact that Vİsta needs huge system spec. But if you have 23 gb ram you can upgrade vista. I have been ysed vista for 2 years and I am happy with it. Now xp seems me very basic
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