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gonzo
1. Since Mars and Venus are warming without human involvement, why is warming on the Earth only possibly caused by humans?

2. According to tree ring and core data, the temperature dropped suddenly around 1550 and stayed that way until 1850, this period had the coldest temperatures in the previous 8,000 years. Greenland was named Greenland because prior to 1550 it was green. Global Warming alarmists pick 1880, thirty years after the most brutal cold spell in history ended, as the target temperature for the Earth. Why?

3. Why is it that when you find a climatologist that concedes that volcanic activity has been exceptionally active for the last 25 years, that they say that CO2 from volcanoes actually helps cool the Earth. (High atmosphere CO2 prevents entry of heat.)

4. From the previous point: since that CO2 in the high atmosphere descends to the lower atmosphere, doesn't that mean we are in for hellishly high temperatures in the future anyway?

5. Since the Artic was tropical up until 36 million years ago, why is it that plugging in the CO2 data for time period into climate models results temperature way below what was expected?

6. Assuming that the climate model was accurate to start with, doesn't mean that there are factors that you are unaware of?

7. Since there is a direct correlation between sunspots and global temperatures, why is sunspot activity ignored in those models? (Record temperatures were all set in the 1930's and 40's, the decadal oscillation people say that it will be as cold as it was in the 1960's early '70s within 30 years because of the expected sunspot cycle.)
the666bbq
damn, those are very good arguements ... I presume you did not do English Literature as your main education.

However, being well formulated and extremely mind tickling : where did you find these assumptions and/or proof to the pudding.

In the 'we never got to the moon' camp there are assumptions like : wrong shadows, to deep footprints for lightweight no moist environment, inadequate camera used (film freezes to pieces),... all very elible when explained by a motivated anti-moon person but is there really real evidence for it ???
Jack_Hammer
Because it's scientifically true that we are putting more carbon into the atmosphere, and it is also true that this is the source of global warming (Now remember without ANY global warming this planet would be just like mars or venus and burn in the day and freeze in the night) but what we don't know is how much carbon we are putting into the atmosphere and what difference that is making. We do know however that since dinasaurs had 30% of their air as oxygen since we have dut all the trees down the % of our air is only 20%.
Jack_Hammer
On earth there is only one level of carbon (N) (As you cannot make something from nothing) as we burn carbon we are releasing it from it's natural solid shape into the air. All we need to do is reset the balance between nature and us.

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Since there is a direct correlation between sunspots and global temperatures, why is sunspot activity ignored in those models? (Record temperatures were all set in the 1930's and 40's, the decadal oscillation people say that it will be as cold as it was in the 1960's early '70s within 30 years because of the expected sunspot cycle.)


Explain that to the people that live in venice since the heat has risen some ice has melted causeing the sea level to rise so now they have had to cut the tops off the gondalas just to sail about like thye used to. Also scientists have recognised a direct corrolation between ice ages and reackons we are well over due for another ice age, the problem is that science isn't exact they just do there best and estimate with an educated guess thats all.
tribe
1. Your a physco.

2. GLOBAL WARMING.. Gimme a break

its cooler every year in the summer in ohio...

THESE BRANIACS ARE LYING! Please...
Jack_Hammer
Like I said, without any sort of Global Warming at all this planet would be just as desolate as all the others in our solar system, and as I said before scientist have proven it's making an effect, but what most people don't realise is that global warming doesn't mean that everywhere it gets warmer, it means that the weather gets more turbulant some places it gets colder and windier other places get warmer and drier and the difference between temperature in areas will cause a reaction and there will be more storms hurricanes etc. It is a common misconception that global warming will just act as a 'Green house effect'.
Zibé
Laughing

global warming... it's the smallest thing which can happen...
In europe, we would have a climat like moscow if it continues.
Why ? the gulf stream will be stop in the Atlantic ocean...

The global warming isn't dangerous itself, but the consequences
on the ice, the environnement would be enormous.

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5. Since the Artic was tropical up until 36 million years ago, why is it that plugging in the CO2 data for time period into climate models results temperature way below what was expected?

why ? because artic wasn't in the same place... take a look on a map Wink

I think that the medias do their job on you gonzo
Wink
MistaKiula
Quote:
1. Your a physco.

2. GLOBAL WARMING.. Gimme a break

its cooler every year in the summer in ohio...

THESE BRANIACS ARE LYING! Please...

It's getting extremely hotter here in Canada..
tidruG
tribe wrote:

2. GLOBAL WARMING.. Gimme a break

its cooler every year in the summer in ohio...


Well, global warming doesn't mean every place on Earth is getting hotter... It just means that temperature is rising gradually... but significantly... this may not affect our perception of how hot things are, but it does affect the ice in the artic regions... causing it to melt... this increases the amount of liquid water, which increases currents, which causes natural calamities and stunning differences in local climate... Climate will no longer be very constant... summers may get hotter, winters cooler... Just look at all the natural calamities that have taken place in recent times... the tsunami of South Asia, the Floods in Mumbai, the hurricane in the US... and this may seem insignificant, but it snowed in Iran some time back (which hasn't happened for a long long time before this)...

Global Warming is not a joke... You may not feel too much of its effects in your lifetime but the future generations are (for lack of a better word) screwed, if we don't do something about it.
mohamed
Greenhouse gases i believe is in a rise. I belive the accounting and measuring of releases in greenhouse gases by corporate isn't new. Coupled with the fact that meteorologist around the world can retract data that are completely independent of each other mkes a conspiracy theory very unlikely.

Its quite like the argument that all the nukes in the world will not be able to destroy everyone on earth (im quite paraphrasing). There might me some viable arguments but it is largely weak.
wistom
its right the earth is became something wrong.
godam64
everyone must to be involve in global colding right now. its different temperature in my city in 10 years.
we should keep the polar ice keep freezing. so there would no worry about island drowning.
Jack_Hammer
Jack_Hammer wrote:
Like I said, without any sort of Global Warming at all this planet would be just as desolate as all the others in our solar system, and as I said before scientist have proven it's making an effect, but what most people don't realise is that global warming doesn't mean that everywhere it gets warmer, it means that the weather gets more turbulant some places it gets colder and windier other places get warmer and drier and the difference between temperature in areas will cause a reaction and there will be more storms hurricanes etc. It is a common misconception that global warming will just act as a 'Green house effect'.



tidruG wrote:

Well, global warming doesn't mean every place on Earth is getting hotter... It just means that temperature is rising gradually... but significantly... this may not affect our perception of how hot things are, but it does affect the ice in the artic regions... causing it to melt... this increases the amount of liquid water, which increases currents, which causes natural calamities and stunning differences in local climate... Climate will no longer be very constant... summers may get hotter, winters cooler... Just look at all the natural calamities that have taken place in recent times... the tsunami of South Asia, the Floods in Mumbai, the hurricane in the US... and this may seem insignificant, but it snowed in Iran some time back (which hasn't happened for a long long time before this)...


It's what I was trying to say tidruG.
D Lightbulb
global warming = our fault /end

the world will be destroyed in 4 million years or so

and the sun will explode in 4 billion years /:
Jack_Hammer
D Lightbulb wrote:
global warming = our fault /end


Global warming is natural otherwise we wouldn't have an atmosphere, as I keep saying.
Rolling Eyes

But whereas the increase in global warming is our fault and the reducing percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere and increase in 'Green House Gasses'.
tidruG
Jack_Hammer wrote:
D Lightbulb wrote:
global warming = our fault /end


Global warming is natural otherwise we wouldn't have an atmosphere, as I keep saying.
Rolling Eyes

But whereas the increase in global warming is our fault and the reducing percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere and increase in 'Green House Gasses'.


You point is true... however, nowadays, Global Warming has become synonymous with the Green House Effect, and the impending possible End Of The World (although personally, I don't believe it's sometime in the near future)
Bashur
gonzo wrote:
1. Since Mars and Venus are warming without human involvement, why is warming on the Earth only possibly caused by humans?

2. According to tree ring and core data, the temperature dropped suddenly around 1550 and stayed that way until 1850, this period had the coldest temperatures in the previous 8,000 years. Greenland was named Greenland because prior to 1550 it was green. Global Warming alarmists pick 1880, thirty years after the most brutal cold spell in history ended, as the target temperature for the Earth. Why?

3. Why is it that when you find a climatologist that concedes that volcanic activity has been exceptionally active for the last 25 years, that they say that CO2 from volcanoes actually helps cool the Earth. (High atmosphere CO2 prevents entry of heat.)

4. From the previous point: since that CO2 in the high atmosphere descends to the lower atmosphere, doesn't that mean we are in for hellishly high temperatures in the future anyway?

5. Since the Artic was tropical up until 36 million years ago, why is it that plugging in the CO2 data for time period into climate models results temperature way below what was expected?

6. Assuming that the climate model was accurate to start with, doesn't mean that there are factors that you are unaware of?

7. Since there is a direct correlation between sunspots and global temperatures, why is sunspot activity ignored in those models? (Record temperatures were all set in the 1930's and 40's, the decadal oscillation people say that it will be as cold as it was in the 1960's early '70s within 30 years because of the expected sunspot cycle.)


Intereseting questions and "facts". I would like to thank you for giving my group something to talk about. *laughs* This should be an interesting night.
thadnation
gonzo wrote:
1. Since Mars and Venus are warming without human involvement, why is warming on the Earth only possibly caused by humans?

2. According to tree ring and core data, the temperature dropped suddenly around 1550 and stayed that way until 1850, this period had the coldest temperatures in the previous 8,000 years. Greenland was named Greenland because prior to 1550 it was green. Global Warming alarmists pick 1880, thirty years after the most brutal cold spell in history ended, as the target temperature for the Earth. Why?

3. Why is it that when you find a climatologist that concedes that volcanic activity has been exceptionally active for the last 25 years, that they say that CO2 from volcanoes actually helps cool the Earth. (High atmosphere CO2 prevents entry of heat.)

4. From the previous point: since that CO2 in the high atmosphere descends to the lower atmosphere, doesn't that mean we are in for hellishly high temperatures in the future anyway?

5. Since the Artic was tropical up until 36 million years ago, why is it that plugging in the CO2 data for time period into climate models results temperature way below what was expected?

6. Assuming that the climate model was accurate to start with, doesn't mean that there are factors that you are unaware of?

7. Since there is a direct correlation between sunspots and global temperatures, why is sunspot activity ignored in those models? (Record temperatures were all set in the 1930's and 40's, the decadal oscillation people say that it will be as cold as it was in the 1960's early '70s within 30 years because of the expected sunspot cycle.)


1. I'm failing a class because I failed a test; does that mean everyone who is failing that class failed taht test? no. they could be lazy, could be skipping, they could be unable to do the work for some reason, etc. An effect can have different causes.

2. it's the start of the industrial revolution and all that other stuff you said was unrelated.

3. "volcanoes can help cool the earth's surface by forming sulfuric acid aerosols that reflect the sun's rays, and also contribute to global warming by giving off carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, which contributes to the greenhouse effect"

did you even bother googling first?

4. not necessarily, because that is completely irrelevant

5. dude, name your source, because that sounds like a load.

6. if it's accurate, why would unaccounted factors matter?

7. sun doubters look to sun spots, others blame el nino, but they only account for a few years at a time. the earth's temperature does cycle, which climatologists admit. however, temperatures are increasing much more rapidly than ever before and do not appear to be leveling off.

There you go, gonzo, your ass handed to you on a platter, with all the fixings. enjoy.
thadnation
gonzo wrote:
1. Since Mars and Venus are warming without human involvement, why is warming on the Earth only possibly caused by humans?

2. According to tree ring and core data, the temperature dropped suddenly around 1550 and stayed that way until 1850, this period had the coldest temperatures in the previous 8,000 years. Greenland was named Greenland because prior to 1550 it was green. Global Warming alarmists pick 1880, thirty years after the most brutal cold spell in history ended, as the target temperature for the Earth. Why?

3. Why is it that when you find a climatologist that concedes that volcanic activity has been exceptionally active for the last 25 years, that they say that CO2 from volcanoes actually helps cool the Earth. (High atmosphere CO2 prevents entry of heat.)

4. From the previous point: since that CO2 in the high atmosphere descends to the lower atmosphere, doesn't that mean we are in for hellishly high temperatures in the future anyway?

5. Since the Artic was tropical up until 36 million years ago, why is it that plugging in the CO2 data for time period into climate models results temperature way below what was expected?

6. Assuming that the climate model was accurate to start with, doesn't mean that there are factors that you are unaware of?

7. Since there is a direct correlation between sunspots and global temperatures, why is sunspot activity ignored in those models? (Record temperatures were all set in the 1930's and 40's, the decadal oscillation people say that it will be as cold as it was in the 1960's early '70s within 30 years because of the expected sunspot cycle.)


1. I'm failing a class because I failed a test; does that mean everyone who is failing that class failed taht test? no. they could be lazy, could be skipping, they could be unable to do the work for some reason, etc. An effect can have different causes.

2. it's the start of the industrial revolution and all that other stuff you said was unrelated.

3. "volcanoes can help cool the earth's surface by forming sulfuric acid aerosols that reflect the sun's rays, and also contribute to global warming by giving off carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, which contributes to the greenhouse effect"

did you even bother googling first?

4. not necessarily, because that is completely irrelevant

5. dude, name your source, because that sounds like a load.

6. if it's accurate, why would unaccounted factors matter?

7. sun doubters look to sun spots, others blame el nino, but they only account for a few years at a time. the earth's temperature does cycle, which climatologists admit. however, temperatures are increasing much more rapidly than ever before and do not appear to be leveling off.

There you go, gonzo, your ass handed to you on a platter, with all the fixings. enjoy.
Kaseas
The simplest and least complicated way of putting this is:

CO2 levels correspond to the earth's temperature historically. Right now, we have record-setting levels of CO2 in our atmosphere, and we are seeing this because the 10 hottest years on record are within the last 20 years.

Watch "An Inconvenient Truth" by Al Gore.
gcaughill
Bashur wrote:
gonzo wrote:
1. Since Mars and Venus are warming without human involvement, why is warming on the Earth only possibly caused by humans?

2. According to tree ring and core data, the temperature dropped suddenly around 1550 and stayed that way until 1850, this period had the coldest temperatures in the previous 8,000 years. Greenland was named Greenland because prior to 1550 it was green. Global Warming alarmists pick 1880, thirty years after the most brutal cold spell in history ended, as the target temperature for the Earth. Why?

3. Why is it that when you find a climatologist that concedes that volcanic activity has been exceptionally active for the last 25 years, that they say that CO2 from volcanoes actually helps cool the Earth. (High atmosphere CO2 prevents entry of heat.)

4. From the previous point: since that CO2 in the high atmosphere descends to the lower atmosphere, doesn't that mean we are in for hellishly high temperatures in the future anyway?

5. Since the Artic was tropical up until 36 million years ago, why is it that plugging in the CO2 data for time period into climate models results temperature way below what was expected?

6. Assuming that the climate model was accurate to start with, doesn't mean that there are factors that you are unaware of?

7. Since there is a direct correlation between sunspots and global temperatures, why is sunspot activity ignored in those models? (Record temperatures were all set in the 1930's and 40's, the decadal oscillation people say that it will be as cold as it was in the 1960's early '70s within 30 years because of the expected sunspot cycle.)


Intereseting questions and "facts". I would like to thank you for giving my group something to talk about. *laughs* This should be an interesting night.


Interesting questions indeed.
mattyj
Global warming is a FARCE

The earth has been going through periods of warming and cooling for billions of years. Humans might make a very very small change with the burning of fossil fuels, but nothing on the scale of volcanoes, etc.

To the OP, excellent points, all of them.
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