I find it ironic that the first slave ship that Queen Elizabeth sent to capture Africans off of the Ivory Coast was name JESUS CHRIST IS OUR LORD. I also find it ironic that the perception of Europeans was that Africans do not know how to be civil or worship god so they (europeans) had to unwillingly force Jesus upon them and show them how to be civilized. Many Africans feared the European pirates that came and captured their families to bring them to America. A lot of them fled and hid from the pirates that they percieved as the Devil. The common man would flee from anyone who poses a threat to him or his family.
Now you fast forward today and some African American people believe in Jesus Christ and Christianity. They will die for the cause of Chrisitanity and Jesus Christ. Some African American people say that if they know what they know about Jesus now then they will gladly join the pirates back then and happily been a slave the Europeans. All to know about Jesus.
Now are African American people so lost because they were stripped of all of their real history that they now pray to the same god of the pirates they viewed as the devil?
The main reason Europian/American 'pirates' went to Africa was not to force Jesus Christ/Christianity onto the people there, it was to capture them and bring them to the Americas as slaves to work at farms and plantations for little to no pay. They did not think that blacks were even human, and categorized them as animals. When they were in Africa before 'pirates' came to capture them, some of them were Muslim and others followed tribal traditions (I'm not sure of the exact numbers).
When they came to America, where pretty much the only religion at that time (we're speaking 1800's) was Christianity, I think trying to practice their own religion/beliefs would get them into even more trouble. The first generation or two of slaves may have kept their beliefs in tact and not become Christian, but as older generations died and newer ones were born in America, the only religion they were exposed to was Christianity and that was what they followed.
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| Some African American people say that if they know what they know about Jesus now then they will gladly join the pirates back then and happily been a slave the Europeans. All to know about Jesus. |
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this; do you mean that if modern day blacks were in Africa at that time and white 'pirates' came to capture them, they would openheartedly accept their fate and come with them on the ships? Do you have any idea of the conditions on those ships? I'll gladly explain the basics; the whites wanted a maximum amount of living blacks to come to America from each voyage. They had two options; either keep them on 'loosely' or 'tightly'. 'Loosely' meant that they would not be chained down to floors, it meant that they wouldn't be totally caged up and would have some freedom on the ship. Obviously, this would cause them to take up more room, meaning less blacks on each voyage. But, this also meant that more would survive due to better conditions/ability to move around for the blacks.
Now the other option they had, to keep them on the ships 'tightly' was to load as many blacks as they could onto each ship, and totally chain them down side by side, row by row, column by column, on platforms. This is sort of what it would look like (each platform from a birds-eye-view):
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...with every dash/line being an individual person.
Being a two month voyage from Africa to America, not many could survive like this. Why? Well, your arms and legs would be chained down, the food would be a minuscule amount of rice mixed with water, and to eat it they would just be able to tilt their heads and suck it in. Whenever someone would barf, well, they would basically barf all over themselves. If they pee? They pee all over themselves. If they take a crap? Well, they crap all over the person directly under them on the platform right beneath them.
If, on the ship, one of them did something the whites didn't like (or the whites were just drunk) they would whip the living hell out of the blacks. That meant a lot of open wounds and gashes. And every week or so, the slaves would be unchained and called out to the dock of the ship, where they would be whipped at the feet causing them to jump up and down to 'maintain their muscles' (to avoid them from being too weak to do anything). While they do this, salt water from the ocean would be thrown on them to 'clean' their open wounds and pee and vomit all over them.
Now I really don't think any modern-day African American wants to go through that for Jesus. 
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| Now are African American people so lost because they were stripped of all of their real history that they now pray to the same god of the pirates they viewed as the devil? |
No; they did not become Christian until two or three generations after they arrived in America. As the generation that actually lived in Africa before died, their traditions and beliefs became diluted and they were more exposed to Christianity than anything else and so they adopted that. I'm sure I must have had some ancestor 15,000 years ago that worshiped cotton or something, that doesn't mean I have to go scouting out their beliefs and start worshiping cotton. 
P.S. If you want to learn more about the experiences of Africans on the slave-ships coming to America, and their later experiences as slaves, I would recommend watching Roots (the movie). It's really long (it's like an eight hour long series) but it's excellently directed.
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| Now are African American people so lost because they were stripped of all of their real history that they now pray to the same god of the pirates they viewed as the devil? |
No. As Christians they believe that God uses events to further His purpose and to bring people to Him. Christians also believe that Jesus is the only path to God and salvation. Therefore, is it not logical for someone who so believes to be thankful for whatever historical events brought about their knowledge of Christ?
It doesnt make events like the European entrance into the pre-existing African slave trade right, but for Christians it demonstrates how God can take something bad and use it for good.
Respectfully,
MFirst of all slavery has gone on since the beginnning of time so the fact that every race is doing it does not mean much. European slavery of African was the first to take a whole race of people and psychology destroy them and their generations to come (WILLIE LYNCH LETTER). If you look at today's modern times, people are starving and working to the bone to make ends meet. It is modern day slavery when you have an upper, middle and lower class. I under stand as a Christian way of thinking is to sweep everything under the rug and try to make something good out of something bad.
My point is this: Christianity religion was the last major religion to be discovered in some time 900 AD. Now Christianity and Jesus Christ all have similar if not identical traits as the Gods and Religions who were discovered before them. The people of KMT (Egyptians) where the orginators of worship and religion. This dates back to 35000 BC. Now if Jesus Christ and Horus are identical and Horus was worshipped by African People, then why is Jesus Christ white?
Europeans had to find a place of existance because all other races had a religion based on faith and their soul. Christianity came as something that Europeans can call their own. This happened right after the DARK AGES when Europeans did not know how to be CIVILIZED and they did not know how to RAISE THEIR CHILDREN or HARVEST or HEAL THE SICK. Europeans where dying left and right from 100 - 500 AD. Until the BLACK MOORS came and told them how to be civilized and help them to live. The Black Moors taught Europeans about God and how to worship to God. After the Black Moors left the Europeans started to practice this worship them selves. Then in an effort to have a place in existance so that the same Dark Ages does not happen again, they created Christianity and Jesus Christ in I believe 912 AD which was derived from all the religions the Black Moors told them about.
Now I am not saying that Christanity is wrong or right but Africans born into this country where Kings and Queens once and their beliefs backed this confidence up. Slavery has taken that away from Africans making it seem as all people are created equal.
The only reason we have Christanity is because Europeans knew they will become obslete. They created a game called Basketball that Africans got a hold of and made the game better. If Europeans had not put into the heads of the rest of the world that they are superior and Jesus looks like a 2nd cousin of these Europeans, who is the son of GOD, then Africans born in America would own the NBA and play in it too. Europeans will be obslete.
Only Differnce between Jesus and Horus is
Horus is the SUN of GOD and the people of KMT worshipped earth, water, and the sun (ra).
Jesus is the SON of God and Christians worhsip MAN.
They took all the descriptions of Horus and turned it into Jesus
Jesus 12 discples
Hours 12 discples (months of the year the earth moves around the sun)
Jesus died on Christmas and rose 3 days later
Horus (Sun) when into an eclipse for 3 days on the 25th of Dec, only to be resurrected 3 days later and rise again.
Jesus walked on water
Horus walked on water (the sun when it rises walks on water)
Jesus born of Mary a virgin
Horus born of ISIS a virgin
Halo around Jesus head
Halo around chorus (Sun's)
Jesus is the light of our world
Sun is the light of our world
Jesus Cometh amongst the clouds
The Sun......, I could go on for days but you get the point.
All religion's is MAN's attempt to control other MEN. The people of KMT did the same thing to control their people. If you dont have that control then their wont be any order. Christianity is no different except it is backed by people who control the world. Again if Europeans did not do this then they will obslete.
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The main reason Europian/American 'pirates' went to Africa was not to force Jesus Christ/Christianity onto the people there, it was to capture them and bring them to the Americas as slaves to work at farms and plantations for little to no pay. They did not think that blacks were even human, and categorized them as animals. When they were in Africa before 'pirates' came to capture them, some of them were Muslim and others followed tribal traditions (I'm not sure of the exact numbers).
When they came to America, where pretty much the only religion at that time (we're speaking 1800's) was Christianity, I think trying to practice their own religion/beliefs would get them into even more trouble. The first generation or two of slaves may have kept their beliefs in tact and not become Christian, but as older generations died and newer ones were born in America, the only religion they were exposed to was Christianity and that was what they followed.
| ASAGROUP wrote: | | Some African American people say that if they know what they know about Jesus now then they will gladly join the pirates back then and happily been a slave the Europeans. All to know about Jesus. |
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this; do you mean that if modern day blacks were in Africa at that time and white 'pirates' came to capture them, they would openheartedly accept their fate and come with them on the ships? Do you have any idea of the conditions on those ships? I'll gladly explain the basics; the whites wanted a maximum amount of living blacks to come to America from each voyage. They had two options; either keep them on 'loosely' or 'tightly'. 'Loosely' meant that they would not be chained down to floors, it meant that they wouldn't be totally caged up and would have some freedom on the ship. Obviously, this would cause them to take up more room, meaning less blacks on each voyage. But, this also meant that more would survive due to better conditions/ability to move around for the blacks.
Now the other option they had, to keep them on the ships 'tightly' was to load as many blacks as they could onto each ship, and totally chain them down side by side, row by row, column by column, on platforms. This is sort of what it would look like (each platform from a birds-eye-view):
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...with every dash/line being an individual person.
Being a two month voyage from Africa to America, not many could survive like this. Why? Well, your arms and legs would be chained down, the food would be a minuscule amount of rice mixed with water, and to eat it they would just be able to tilt their heads and suck it in. Whenever someone would barf, well, they would basically barf all over themselves. If they pee? They pee all over themselves. If they take a crap? Well, they crap all over the person directly under them on the platform right beneath them.
If, on the ship, one of them did something the whites didn't like (or the whites were just drunk) they would whip the living hell out of the blacks. That meant a lot of open wounds and gashes. And every week or so, the slaves would be unchained and called out to the dock of the ship, where they would be whipped at the feet causing them to jump up and down to 'maintain their muscles' (to avoid them from being too weak to do anything). While they do this, salt water from the ocean would be thrown on them to 'clean' their open wounds and pee and vomit all over them.
Now I really don't think any modern-day African American wants to go through that for Jesus.
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No; they did not become Christian until two or three generations after they arrived in America. As the generation that actually lived in Africa before died, their traditions and beliefs became diluted and they were more exposed to Christianity than anything else and so they adopted that. I'm sure I must have had some ancestor 15,000 years ago that worshiped cotton or something, that doesn't mean I have to go scouting out their beliefs and start worshiping cotton.
P.S. If you want to learn more about the experiences of Africans on the slave-ships coming to America, and their later experiences as slaves, I would recommend watching Roots (the movie). It's really long (it's like an eight hour long series) but it's excellently directed. |
I was being sarcastic, I am very familar with the slave trade. I am saying that to me people are so brainwashed that they forget how and who brought them here. They went from being humble loving people to crabs in barrell. African born in America are searching for their history because without your history it becomes HIS STORY. That is why the media does so much racial profiling, if you dont know who you are then the TV or Radio will tell you. After a while you tend to go along with all the stereotypes of Africans.
The truth is every race wants to be African or the beauty of being African. We all come from an African women we call Eve. Now I think misdirection of this global theories are brillant because if not then Europeans will be obslete once again or at least will have some explaning to do to the rest of the world. | ASAGROUP wrote: |
| The people of KMT (Egyptians) where the orginators of worship and religion. This dates back to 35000 BC. |
Err...No. Where did you get this from? Worship has been going on since Adam & Eve.
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| Now if Jesus Christ and Horus are identical and Horus was worshipped by African People, then why is Jesus Christ white? |
Jesus was not 'white'. He was born and lived in the Middle East, making him olive skin-colored.
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| Jesus died on Christmas and rose 3 days later |
No, it has been proven that the representation of Christmas is totally wrong. Some say it is due to 3rd century scholars making miscalculations, and others say the Church held it on that date in December to draw attention away from other pagan festivals also held at that time.
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| Horus walked on water (the sun when it rises walks on water) |
How exactly does the Sun do this? How exactly does the Sun walk on water? Do you mean the Sun is visible on the horizon when rising? That doesn't mean it's walking on water.
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| Jesus born of Mary a virgin |
Yes, I agree with this. Then how come they call God the Father of Jesus if he was born of Mary a virgin. A little contradictory if you ask me.
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| Horus born of ISIS a virgin |
No, mythology states that Horus' father was Osiris.
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Halo around Jesus head
Halo around chorus (Sun's) |
The 'halo' around Horus' head represents a sun-disk. I don't really believe/not believe any 'halo' on Jesus' head (I read way too much Dan Brown =P).
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Jesus is the light of our world
Sun is the light of our world |
Hmm..yes the sun does give us a supply of light and heat but how is Jesus the light of our world?
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Jesus Cometh amongst the clouds
The Sun......, I could go on for days but you get the point. |
I don't get what you mean by Jesus comes in the clouds, and if the Sun was ever to cometh amongst our clouds, the earth is in some pretty deep shit (...the sun is millions of miles away from earth, it's not in the sky 
also, it would be impossible for the sun to be 'amongst the clouds' because if the Sun were ever to miraculously come towards earth, the earth would be obliterated before the Sun could even come close).
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| All religion's is MAN's attempt to control other MEN. |
Nah; I don't follow a religion to control other men. I follow a religion to be a good person, please God, and go to Heaven.
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| Again if Europeans did not do this then they will obslete. |
So if the Europians didn't go capture Africans for slavery, Christianity would end? Wtf? First of all, the slaves were taken to America which was its own independant country (after the American Revolution about two centuries earlier than slavery). In fact, many people at the time used passages from the Bible to go against slavery.
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| The truth is every race wants to be African or the beauty of being African. |
LOL..No. I have nothing against Africans but I'm quite happy with what I am.
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| We all come from an African women we call Eve. |
How was Eve African? Adam and Eve were here yeeeeeeears (perhaps millions) before the term 'Africa' was invented. The graves of Adam and Eve are said to be in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (the head & foot stones are present) and they are said to have made contact on earth in Sri Lanka.
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| Now I think misdirection of this global theories are brillant because if not then Europeans will be obslete once again or at least will have some explaning to do to the rest of the world. |
When will you understand?! Slavery was in America. The Civil War between the North & South was in America. And why should anyone have to do any explaining now for what their ancestors did 200 years ago? Am I supposed to go up to my Christian friends and make them explain for what the 10th century Crusaders did to Muslims? Are Christians supposed to go make Jews explain for what they did to Jesus? I certainly don't want to explain for what any Muslims may have did hunderds of years ago, I don't see why anyone of a different race/culture/religion should have to do so either.
All in all, Christianity & slavery don't really have anything to do with each other, at least not in the case of African slaves in America in the 1800's.I would certainly write more but I'm sorry, I'm at London Heathrow airport right now and my flight is in a bit.
Well, not to intrude too much on this debate, but a few points scream out at me...
a) Horus did indeed walk on water - this is established Egyptian mythology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_on_water
Asking 'how' the sun could walk on the water is the same as asking how Jesus could do the same. Obviously neither could, but we are talking about 'faith' here, not reason.
b) Isis was indeed the 'Virgin of Earth' and did indeed give birth to Horus. Again this is established Egyptian mythology.
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/carl-teichrib/5isis.htm
Yes, Osiris was the father of Horus, as well as the husband and brother of Isis, but since when did religion rely on biological realities? It's all a matter of faith again.
c) The halo does indeed date back to Egyptian mythology. It was later 'borrowed' by Christian iconographers (and appears in other religious traditions).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo
d) Jesus is described several times in the NT as 'the light of the world'. John 8:12 and Matthew 5:14 for example
e) Jesus does indeed 'cometh with the clouds'. See Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Revelations 1:7
f) I'm afraid, HBP, that your history is way off. The Declaration of Independance was in 1776. That is when America became a distinct country - before that it was a series of European business concerns (colonies). Slavery had, by 1776, been common practice in 'the Americas' for over 100 years (slaves were used by the Europeans on the plantations in the main). Some would date slavery (in this context) back to about 1618 but we know for a fact that it was common practice in the 'colonies' by about 1660.
http://www.innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html
People on both sides used the Bible to support their position - both abolitionists and pro-slavery spokespersons. This is nothing new - people have been using the bible to justify evil since it was written. I appreciate people who do their research. I hate to say this but it is true. We all come from a AFRICAN WOMAN NAMED EVE. She had the only DNA that could carry on different generations and could produce more EVEs. All humans have the same DNA trait of this woman.
We have all heard of the theories that we came from MONKEYS. Well if Europeans told other Europeans they came from a black woman then the bible will have some explaning to do. So they call African People Monkeys to distort man's thinking.
If you take a African man and a pure white mother and they create a baby, It is no coincedence that the baby looks like Barack Obama or Malcolm X. That is how strong African blood is because it is the orginator. All Africans started in KMT and migrated to different parts of the world when all the 7 continents where together. As each region developed so did our bodies to adapt to the enviroment.
Europeans- Lost the mellanin in their skin to adapt to colder air. This is why noses and skin color hair all changed. Over a period of time white hair will turn kinky if exposed to sun that is right by the equator.
Asian - experienced the a long dark period when volcanoes erupted and turned the whole sky dark for 100+ years though the air is similar to parts of Africa so they kept the high cheek bones. This is why people of Thailand look different than China and so forth.
Middle Eastern - look like some of the Ancient people of KMT with the Kinky hair, big nose, dark skin and so forth.
Hispanics migrated to the south western part of the world where their are a lot of wet lands. Their body adapted to their enviroment but depending on placement is how influenced they body has become.
The point is that Europeans are the ones one the opposite end of the spectrum. They are live far from the orginators and their bodies show it. As a European (white) you can not go anywhere on the Earth without some sort of man made help like sun tan lotion. You will die of skin cancer and other things. An African can go anywhere and wont have to worry about their bodies adapting. That should tell you something right there.
The point again is this. Had Europeans not create Jesus Christ, make him look white, and take control of the world, then they will be obslete.
Whites are not born with any natural god given abilities so they had to create a world where the playing field is equal with their man made abilities.
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Well, not to intrude too much on this debate, but a few points scream out at me...
a) Horus did indeed walk on water - this is established Egyptian mythology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_on_water
Asking 'how' the sun could walk on the water is the same as asking how Jesus could do the same. Obviously neither could, but we are talking about 'faith' here, not reason.
b) Isis was indeed the 'Virgin of Earth' and did indeed give birth to Horus. Again this is established Egyptian mythology.
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/carl-teichrib/5isis.htm
Yes, Osiris was the father of Horus, as well as the husband and brother of Isis, but since when did religion rely on biological realities? It's all a matter of faith again.
c) The halo does indeed date back to Egyptian mythology. It was later 'borrowed' by Christian iconographers (and appears in other religious traditions).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo
d) Jesus is described several times in the NT as 'the light of the world'. John 8:12 and Matthew 5:14 for example
e) Jesus does indeed 'cometh with the clouds'. See Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Revelations 1:7
f) I'm afraid, HBP, that your history is way off. The Declaration of Independance was in 1776. That is when America became a distinct country - before that it was a series of European business concerns (colonies). Slavery had, by 1776, been common practice in 'the Americas' for over 100 years (slaves were used by the Europeans on the plantations in the main). Some would date slavery (in this context) back to about 1618 but we know for a fact that it was common practice in the 'colonies' by about 1660.
http://www.innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html
People on both sides used the Bible to support their position - both abolitionists and pro-slavery spokespersons. This is nothing new - people have been using the bible to justify evil since it was written. |
And the Illuminati was created the same year and they got information from Egypt how to adminstor it. The all seeing eye stares right at you and people still dont see it.I should stay out of this but...
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I find it ironic that the first slave ship that Queen Elizabeth sent to capture Africans off of the Ivory Coast was name JESUS CHRIST IS OUR LORD. I also find it ironic that the perception of Europeans was that Africans do not know how to be civil or worship god so they (europeans) had to unwillingly force Jesus upon them and show them how to be civilized. |
Many different cultures think that other cultures are uncivilized Japanese thought that the west was uncivilized.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
Many Africans feared the European pirates that came and captured their families to bring them to America. A lot of them fled and hid from the pirates that they percieved as the Devil. The common man would flee from anyone who poses a threat to him or his family.
Now you fast forward today and some African American people believe in Jesus Christ and Christianity. They will die for the cause of Chrisitanity and Jesus Christ. Some African American people say that if they know what they know about Jesus now then they will gladly join the pirates back then and happily been a slave the Europeans. All to know about Jesus.
Now are African American people so lost because they were stripped of all of their real history that they now pray to the same god of the pirates they viewed as the devil? |
The believe in the christian god since it was a long time like that nowadays there is free will for everyone in the US they can say what they want.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| First of all slavery has gone on since the beginnning of time so the fact that every race is doing it does not mean much. European slavery of African was the first to take a whole race of people and psychology destroy them and their generations to come (WILLIE LYNCH LETTER). |
The Europeans were the first and only to take such a large amount of slaves of an other race in a short time. Yes thats true.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| If you look at today's modern times, people are starving and working to the bone to make ends meet. It is modern day slavery when you have an upper, middle and lower class. I under stand as a Christian way of thinking is to sweep everything under the rug and try to make something good out of something bad. |
I'm not really familiar with with christianity.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| My point is this: Christianity religion was the last major religion to be discovered in some time 900 AD. |
No it was founded around the year 0 because christ died then.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| Now Christianity and Jesus Christ all have similar if not identical traits as the Gods and Religions who were discovered before them. The people of KMT (Egyptians) where the orginators of worship and religion. This dates back to 35000 BC. Now if Jesus Christ and Horus are identical and Horus was worshipped by African People, then why is Jesus Christ white? |
He is not white he is more of the color of the lower mediterianian, that means slightly brown. And yes christianity borrows many things from other religions.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| Europeans had to find a place of existance because all other races had a religion based on faith and their soul. Christianity came as something that Europeans can call their own. This happened right after the DARK AGES when Europeans did not know how to be CIVILIZED and they did not know how to RAISE THEIR CHILDREN or HARVEST or HEAL THE SICK. Europeans where dying left and right from 100 - 500 AD. Until the BLACK MOORS came and told them how to be civilized and help them to live. |
Wel christianity originated in the middle east. And yes european countries where very religious and this caused a technological breakdown. However that happened DURING the dark ages. But they knew how to harvest or how to raise their children but had lack of understanding of medicine.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| The Black Moors taught Europeans about God and how to worship to God. After the Black Moors left the Europeans started to practice this worship them selves. Then in an effort to have a place in existance so that the same Dark Ages does not happen again, they created Christianity and Jesus Christ in I believe 912 AD which was derived from all the religions the Black Moors told them about. |
No christianity was around in the year 100 a whole lot of them got killed by the romans.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| Now I am not saying that Christanity is wrong or right but Africans born into this country where Kings and Queens once and their beliefs backed this confidence up. Slavery has taken that away from Africans making it seem as all people are created equal. |
And I agree that africans where not treated with respect. but...
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| The only reason we have Christanity is because Europeans knew they will become obslete. |
no they didn't and they won't.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| They created a game called Basketball that Africans got a hold of and made the game better. If Europeans had not put into the heads of the rest of the world that they are superior and Jesus looks like a 2nd cousin of these Europeans, who is the son of GOD, then Africans born in America would own the NBA and play in it too. Europeans will be obslete. |
Europeans will be obselete because the aren't so good at basketball? Aside that there are white players. We can swim better so please...
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
Only Differnce between Jesus and Horus is
Horus is the SUN of GOD and the people of KMT worshipped earth, water, and the sun (ra).
Jesus is the SON of God and Christians worhsip MAN.
They took all the descriptions of Horus and turned it into Jesus
Jesus 12 discples
Hours 12 discples (months of the year the earth moves around the sun)
Jesus died on Christmas and rose 3 days later
Horus (Sun) when into an eclipse for 3 days on the 25th of Dec, only to be resurrected 3 days later and rise again.
Jesus walked on water
Horus walked on water (the sun when it rises walks on water)
Jesus born of Mary a virgin
Horus born of ISIS a virgin
Halo around Jesus head
Halo around chorus (Sun's)
Jesus is the light of our world
Sun is the light of our world
Jesus Cometh amongst the clouds
The Sun......, I could go on for days but you get the point.
All religion's is MAN's attempt to control other MEN. The people of KMT did the same thing to control their people. If you dont have that control then their wont be any order. Christianity is no different except it is backed by people who control the world. Again if Europeans did not do this then they will obslete. |
Yes jesus borrows a lot from other religions however jesus also has a whole lot in commen with greek/roman gods (practically the same).
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| The truth is every race wants to be African or the beauty of being African. We all come from an African women we call Eve. Now I think misdirection of this global theories are brillant because if not then Europeans will be obslete once again or at least will have some explaning to do to the rest of the world. |
Haha we originate from people who lived in africa not 1 person called eve, we would have died out.
As for Europeeans obselete? what kind of rambling is that all races have genetic ups and downs. Black people can run faster white people can swim faster. And every one wants to be african? where did you get that info, I doubt it stronly i'm happy as I am now.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I appreciate people who do their research. I hate to say this but it is true. We all come from a AFRICAN WOMAN NAMED EVE. She had the only DNA that could carry on different generations and could produce more EVEs. All humans have the same DNA trait of this woman. |
Too bad this is impossible, if there was 1 woman on the world and 1 man, we would have gone extinct pretty soon.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| We have all heard of the theories that we came from MONKEYS. Well if Europeans told other Europeans they came from a black woman then the bible will have some explaning to do. So they call African People Monkeys to distort man's thinking. |
I'm European and really what the F are you saying europeans say that africans are MONKEYS?!? That's just stupid science tells us that we evolved from monkeys. African people too.
What you are saying is immoral and stupid. Creationist believe that everyone is created like they are now but they reject evolution.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| If you take a African man and a pure white mother and they create a baby, It is no coincedence that the baby looks like Barack Obama or Malcolm X. That is how strong African blood is because it is the orginator. All Africans started in KMT and migrated to different parts of the world when all the 7 continents where together. As each region developed so did our bodies to adapt to the enviroment. |
No this is just scientific idioticy.
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Europeans- Lost the mellanin in their skin to adapt to colder air. This is why noses and skin color hair all changed. Over a period of time white hair will turn kinky if exposed to sun that is right by the equator.
Asian - experienced the a long dark period when volcanoes erupted and turned the whole sky dark for 100+ years though the air is similar to parts of Africa so they kept the high cheek bones. This is why people of Thailand look different than China and so forth.
Middle Eastern - look like some of the Ancient people of KMT with the Kinky hair, big nose, dark skin and so forth.
Hispanics migrated to the south western part of the world where their are a lot of wet lands. Their body adapted to their enviroment but depending on placement is how influenced they body has become. |
Again all just crap this is because there is variation due to evolution.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| The point is that Europeans are the ones one the opposite end of the spectrum. They are live far from the orginators and their bodies show it. As a European (white) you can not go anywhere on the Earth without some sort of man made help like sun tan lotion. You will die of skin cancer and other things. An African can go anywhere and wont have to worry about their bodies adapting. That should tell you something right there. |
Europeans adepted to colder less sunnier. Yes eskimo's need sun tan lotion, however black people need extra clothing on the north poles. And explain where did you get that info?
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
The point again is this. Had Europeans not create Jesus Christ, make him look white, and take control of the world, then they will be obslete.
Whites are not born with any natural god given abilities so they had to create a world where the playing field is equal with their man made abilities. |
Do you hate white people or something? Really grow up...
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| And the Illuminati was created the same year and they got information from Egypt how to adminstor it. The all seeing eye stares right at you and people still dont see it. |
eeh... what? Infact no...
Conclusion:
You distort facts. And are possibly slightly racist yourself, you say that africans are better. This may be caused because you are untreated unfair and in a racist way or you are influenced by things that happened to your ancestors. The fact is if you behave like that you aren't any better than them...
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| And the Illuminati was created the same year and they got information from Egypt how to adminstor it. The all seeing eye stares right at you and people still dont see it. |
Please don't associate my postings with this drivel. I supported specific points that you made because they are correct. That doesn't mean that I buy into the rest of your nonsense.
PS - this stuff about African Eve is partly true. What you are referring to is Mitochondrial Eve:
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| Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent common matrilineal ancestor, not the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all humans. The MRCA's offspring have led to all living humans via sons and daughters, but Mitochondrial Eve must be traced only through female lineages, so she is estimated to have lived much longer ago than the MRCA. While Mitochondrial Eve is thought to have been living around 140,000 years ago, according to probabilistic studies, the MRCA could have been living as recently as 3,000 years ago. |
We all carry mitochondrial DNA from 'Eve' but that is only a tiny part of our total DNA.I can back all of my information with research if you want me to on the illuminati but if you dont want me to go there I wont sorry Bikerman!
I am not racist, I am just keeping it real about what is really going on out here.
When I refer to basketball I am using it as an example. The professional sports teams and partners make a lot of money off of athletes. I am saying if Africans were never labeled as 3/5 of a man then African Americans would taken over this country by now because we would be owners too.
THat is why in the dictionary black is referred to as bad and white as good. White is pure and black is evil. That is not by chance. So I look at what do whites fear about blacks to try to level the playing field by calling us these things in written documentation like a dictionary?
For Europeans to capture Africans let you know they needed us to be civil and build cities but we were doing it already in our home lands. If all Africans went back to there native land right now then most of the countries around the world will fail.
When I say everyone wants to be African, I mean take away the man made advantages that Europeans have from birth and then ask yourself what god given ability do Europeans posses that was not stolen from people of color?
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I can back all of my information with research if you want me to on the illuminati but if you dont want me to go there I wont sorry Bikerman! |
eeh, what research got some links?
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I am not racist, I am just keeping it real about what is really going on out here. |
Hmm is see it otherwise you say that black people are better than any other race, if not racist, what does it make you then?
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| When I refer to basketball I am using it as an example. The professional sports teams and partners make a lot of money off of athletes. I am saying if Africans were never labeled as 3/5 of a man then African Americans would taken over this country by now because we would be owners too. |
Though white people swim faster as I pointed out, really. And black people would have taken over? Why?
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| THat is why in the dictionary black is referred to as bad and white as good. White is pure and black is evil. That is not by chance. So I look at what do whites fear about blacks to try to level the playing field by calling us these things in written documentation like a dictionary? |
It has NOTHING to do with scin colors. Originally black was used due to other reasons. Black is the color of the night the unkown. And what we don't know we fear, what we fear we call evil that's why "Black" has a "bad" touch.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| For Europeans to capture Africans let you know they needed us to be civil and build cities but we were doing it already in our home lands. If all Africans went back to there native land right now then most of the countries around the world will fail.? |
Really my country wouldn't fail so would my neighbouring coutrys and just about all black people who live in Europe imigrated here recently and are here by something called free will.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| When I say everyone wants to be African, I mean take away the man made advantages that Europeans have from birth and then ask yourself what god given ability do Europeans posses that was not stolen from people of color? |
Still not racist?
No you said: everyone wants to be African
that means: everyone wants to be African
If you wanted to say: Africans are genetically superiour
Then you shoudl say: Africans are genetically superiour
Of course this is not true...
black people have some genetic things that are handy that white people don't have and the other way around. | ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I appreciate people who do their research. |
Hmm yes so do I, but seeing as I was sitting in the middle of an airport, it wouldn't be smart to start pulling up web-pages on assassinations of US Presidents, slavery, the Civil War, etc.
| Bikerman wrote: |
| I'm afraid, HBP, that your history is way off. |
Yep, I was expecting that and I accept it. I couldn't properly research for what I said above so I was just writing off of what I could remember from 8th grade American History 
Anyway, basically most of what ASAGROUP has said has been debunked so I don't need to add much more. =)@HBP
Well, I appreciate people who are prepared to admit their mistakes in debate. I try to do so myself and I wish more people would do so. 
I believe that when people keep it real with out any bias that has been given to us from birth, then people will call you racist. I do not know how you could be offended by what I said. I am not saying that Africans are superior or genetically superior to anyone. Since my exist on the earth, all the information that I have said is not taught in schools or in the media.
Europeans are the ones in control of the world right now. If you are born European you are already subject to white privilege. This is fact.
This is true so why are people offended by real talk. Europeans control everything but that does not make me want to make my skin lighter in any way. Why do whites like to tan? You are trying to get back to your orginal form. If I am Pro African living in America that does not make me racist. What I am saying is the truth and can be backed by research.
I am saying that Europeans control the world and I know that. But if I say that this man made world we live in now was created to hide the lack of god given ability from Europeans then I am wrong and racist. No I hit a sore spot.
If someone is going into a fight and they know they can not win then you must do something to level the playing field so that you will still win even though you are not physically capable of doing so.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| THat is why in the dictionary black is referred to as bad and white as good. White is pure and black is evil. That is not by chance. So I look at what do whites fear about blacks to try to level the playing field by calling us these things in written documentation like a dictionary? |
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It has NOTHING to do with scin colors. Originally black was used due to other reasons. Black is the color of the night the unkown. And what we don't know we fear, what we fear we call evil that's why "Black" has a "bad" touch. ? |
This has everything to do with skin color and racism. Any thing referred to as black is bad and you say it has nothing to do with color. That is because you live in a White World. In a white world you can choose to let things like that bother or not. You can live around blacks and have to talk about this things or you can live where no blacks are around. Either way it is your choice.
When you are African born in America then there is no way to get around the racism. You can not go anywhere with out facing whites at some point. The same whites that dont see racism in a dictionary that refers to any thing black as bad. Then they call Africans born in American black. That is why half of you are calling me racist.
Bottom line everyone wants to be African, they might not want to look African but everyone wants everything an African has to offer. If you could be black and still look white then whites will be happy. That does not mean that Africans are superior but it must mean something because all my life I have heard the European or Whites were superior. Now that is okay but if I say that it is a reason for whites mto tan, then I am wrong.
Oh yeah www.illuminati.org | ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I am not saying that Africans are superior or genetically superior to anyone. |
Hmm..I don't think you are being honest here.....for example...
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| The truth is every race wants to be African or the beauty of being African |
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| As a European (white) you can not go anywhere on the Earth without some sort of man made help like sun tan lotion. You will die of skin cancer and other things. An African can go anywhere and wont have to worry about their bodies adapting. That should tell you something right there. |
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| Again if Europeans did not do this then they will obslete. |
Now, don't get me wrong - I have some sympathy for your argument. I am convinced that Africans have got the shitty end of the deal for centuries - I think this is undeniable. The problem is that you let your rhetoric go too far and this invites counter-examples and so the argument descends into a debate about racial characteristics. I'll illustrate how destructive this type of 'reasoning' is in what I hope is a simple and obvious manner.
IQ is lower for Africans than it is for whites.
Now this is not racist invention - the statistics are beyond reproach. Do I want to make anything from these statistics? No. Do I think that these statistics indicate that Asians or Whites are 'superior'? No.
Crucial point - Do I think that your arguments about Africans being superior are useful - No!
Is there racism in many western societies? - undoubtedly. Are blacks discriminated against, even today? - undoubtedly. Does it make sense to 'balance' this by rhetoric that asserts black supremacy? No.
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"White people tan to go back to their original form" is the greatest amount of bullshit I have ever heard. Arabs and brown people (Middle Eastern, Pakistani, Indian, etc.) like to not expose themselves to the sun (women in particular) because they like to become lighter, WHITER, in color. Don't tell me I'm wrong because I am originally Pakistani and have lived in Saudi Arabia 9 years of my life and have also lived in Canada, so I've had a fair share of exposure to different cultures.
You are a racist because a racist is not always someone who thinks blacks are inferior; if you think blacks are superior then you are bloody racist too.
I'm pretty fair skinned and can easily pass as an Arab/Latino (because I originate from the Middle East (I am a descendant of one of Prophet Muhammed's best friends who is rumored to be his cousin)), and I don't want to be black OR white. I'm happy with what I am, which is right in the middle.
| asagroup wrote: |
| This has everything to do with skin color and racism. Any thing referred to as black is bad and you say it has nothing to do with color. That is because you live in a White World. In a white world you can choose to let things like that bother or not. |
What the F ? Anything referred to as black is bad? My laptop is black, is it bad? My hair is black, is it bad? The text on this page is black, is it bad? Space is black, is it bad?
DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE 
First of all I understand the resistance from people not feeling what I am saying. I am saying that everything in life has a beginning. Now since I was on this planet my view of African Americans are that they are portrayed as all the negative things I have stated before. This is fact. If Africans are born with something that is so unique that they can transform into different races of people then why is it so bad to say that all people want to get back to their orginal form? (We are all descendants of Africa). The only reason you have different races is because your body has adapted to its enviroment from a long time ago and your DNA reflects that. It also deals with your parents DNA so you will never see the transformation in your life or any of your ancestors lifetime. The fact is everyone has a the DNA of a African Woman named Eve. I heard of Adam and Eve and they were white but not until I got older and questioned some of the information is when I discovered this. The bible was writtten based on the BOOK OF THE DEAD by the People of KMT (Egypt). The current bible is a different verison but has the same principles and stories. Now if all people have DNA of a African then why is it racist to say that we natural or psychologically would want to get back to our orginal form. I know this is totally against what you were taught and me too but this is the truth. You are supposed to love who you are that is what GOD wants you to do. I am not saying don't love your self but I am saying all my life I have heard that it sucks to be BLACK and now I believe that I was feed to me that way because it is actually the other way around.
And to the person about the IQ, that is a test designed for Europeans (Whites). If I designed a test that was based on an knowledge I obtained from the enviroment I grew up in then you will have a hard time as well if you are European. That also furthers my point that if you are white then you do not have to deal with what I am talking about. You can live in a protected bubble filled with things you love to hear.
Put it like this. If we all were stripped of all man made things. Job, Money, Cars all the man made things we so love and enjoy. (Keep in mind the evil things companies do to offer these things) and put all races into an enviroment and we had to survive, which race of people would you follow because of His or Her god given abilities? 
What are you talking about?
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| First of all I understand the resistance from people not feeling what I am saying. I am saying that everything in life has a beginning. Now since I was on this planet my view of African Americans are that they are portrayed as all the negative things I have stated before. This is fact. If Africans are born with something that is so unique that they can transform into different races of people then why is it so bad to say that all people want to get back to their orginal form? (We are all descendants of Africa). |
Why do you think everyone wants to be African American? Why? I don't.
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| The only reason you have different races is because your body has adapted to its enviroment from a long time ago and your DNA reflects that. It also deals with your parents DNA so you will never see the transformation in your life or any of your ancestors lifetime. The fact is everyone has a the DNA of a African Woman named Eve. |
Ok, so we may have descended from that part of the world. What do you want now? What should we do now? I came from my mom's uterus and was a mere sperm cell inside of my dad, and I don't want to go back inside any of these places. I may have come from African descent hundreds and hundred of millions of years ago, so what? You keep saying this, but SO WHAT?
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| Now if all people have DNA of a African then why is it racist to say that we natural or psychologically would want to get back to our orginal form. |
How do we have African blood after HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS? I have "Pakistani blood"! Bikerman has "Europian blood"! George Bush has "American blood"! You know who has African blood? AFRICANS !!
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| I know this is totally against what you were taught and me too but this is the truth. You are supposed to love who you are that is what GOD wants you to do. I am not saying don't love your self but I am saying all my life I have heard that it sucks to be BLACK and now I believe that I was feed to me that way because it is actually the other way around. |
HOW DOES IT SUCK TO BE BLACK? Or the other way around, HOW DOES IT SUCK NOT TO BE BLACK?! You say it is the other way around, clearly making you a racist because you think it sucks not to be black. I'm sorry but what you are saying is bullshit.
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| And to the person about the IQ, that is a test designed for Europeans (Whites). |
How so? I know SAT tests are criticized for this, but how IQ tests? IQ tests are mainly mathematical and logic testing.
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| If I designed a test that was based on an knowledge I obtained from the enviroment I grew up in then you will have a hard time as well if you are European. That also furthers my point that if you are white then you do not have to deal with what I am talking about. You can live in a protected bubble filled with things you love to hear. |
Like what? That all people are equal? I think that's a better thing to hear than your bullshit about the fact that "it sucks not to be black" and it's seriously pissing me off.
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| Put it like this. If we all were stripped of all man made things. Job, Money, Cars all the man made things we so love and enjoy. (Keep in mind the evil things companies do to offer these things) and put all races into an enviroment and we had to survive, which race of people would you follow because of His or Her god given abilities? |
I WOULDN'T "FOLLOW" ANY RACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What makes you think that without jobs, money, and cars the world is at the mercy of black people?! What "God given abilities" do blacks have that whites do not?! Africans have adapted to THEIR environment. Whites have adapted to THEIR environment. Brown people (ME & SE) have adapted to THEIR environments.
In conclusion, stop listening to Immortal Technique and seriously, get a life you racist bigot. | ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I believe that when people keep it real with out any bias that has been given to us from birth, then people will call you racist. I do not know how you could be offended by what I said. I am not saying that Africans are superior or genetically superior to anyone. Since my exist on the earth, all the information that I have said is not taught in schools or in the media. |
you said something like everyone wants to be african and a whole riddle of other things, not racist? Sorry but you are just lying to yourself now.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| Europeans are the ones in control of the world right now. If you are born European you are already subject to white privilege. This is fact. |
True if you forget russians, chinese, amerika, india, japan, etc. yes then europeans have control of everything.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| This is true so why are people offended by real talk. Europeans control everything but that does not make me want to make my skin lighter in any way. Why do whites like to tan? You are trying to get back to your orginal form. If I am Pro African living in America that does not make me racist. What I am saying is the truth and can be backed by research. |
haha europeans like to than because thats "hot" back in time it was "hot" to be white as possible, so that contradicts it really, no europeans don't tan because of that, and what is our original form? This argument is just plain stupid.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I am saying that Europeans control the world and I know that. But if I say that this man made world we live in now was created to hide the lack of god given ability from Europeans then I am wrong and racist. No I hit a sore spot. |
Europeans don't control that whole lot, "hide the lack of god given ability from Europeans"? Still not racist? No god didn't give us anything as I said black peps run faster white peps swim faster we all have our "genetic advances"
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
If someone is going into a fight and they know they can not win then you must do something to level the playing field so that you will still win even though you are not physically capable of doing so.
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Still not racist????
No Some Europeans wanted power, money, thats the reason for slavery where did you get that info from? I think that stupid theory is just as credible as most UFO sightings if not all.
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| ASAGROUP wrote: | | THat is why in the dictionary black is referred to as bad and white as good. White is pure and black is evil. That is not by chance. So I look at what do whites fear about blacks to try to level the playing field by calling us these things in written documentation like a dictionary? |
| Not Someone, Klaw 2, ME! wrote: |
It has NOTHING to do with scin colors. Originally black was used due to other reasons. Black is the color of the night the unkown. And what we don't know we fear, what we fear we call evil that's why "Black" has a "bad" touch. ? |
This has everything to do with skin color and racism. Any thing referred to as black is bad and you say it has nothing to do with color. That is because you live in a White World. In a white world you can choose to let things like that bother or not. You can live around blacks and have to talk about this things or you can live where no blacks are around. Either way it is your choice. |
No it has nothing to do it has to do with color, NOT skin color I have explained it why, thats the reason. Nothing else. Yes wel you know what bothers me? Racism.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| When you are African born in America then there is no way to get around the racism. You can not go anywhere with out facing whites at some point. The same whites that dont see racism in a dictionary that refers to any thing black as bad. Then they call Africans born in American black. That is why half of you are calling me racist. |
Well and I don't aprove of racism in America, or anywhere for that matter. However what does this have to do with Europeans? And the color bad has something sinister to it because dark is black unknown people fear it and thus call it evil. I don't see black as bad, my computer is black. Really most whites ar better than that and the black in skin color has nothing to do with black as in bad.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| Bottom line everyone wants to be African, they might not want to look African but everyone wants everything an African has to offer. If you could be black and still look white then whites will be happy. |
STILLLLL NOTTTT RACISTTTTT???????????????????????????????
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
That does not mean that Africans are superior but it must mean something because all my life I have heard the European or Whites were superior. Now that is okay but if I say that it is a reason for whites mto tan, then I am wrong.
Oh yeah www.illuminati.org |
You are wrong, I'm happy and if i had all black trates then I could run faste yay! However i have something with my knees so I can't use that 
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| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| First of all I understand the resistance from people not feeling what I am saying. |
You do how do you understand it?
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I am saying that everything in life has a beginning. |
you didn't say that before and what does it have to do with the discussion.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| Now since I was on this planet my view of African Americans are that they are portrayed as all the negative things I have stated before. This is fact. |
Well possibly in America don't see what Europeans have to do with it.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| If Africans are born with something that is so unique that they can transform into different races of people then why is it so bad to say that all people want to get back to their orginal form? |
Cause it has something racist to it. And Africans aren't special to "change" in other reces, that's something called evolution everyone has it, also the original white people transformed in to other races.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| (We are all descendants of Africa). The only reason you have different races is because your body has adapted to its enviroment from a long time ago and your DNA reflects that. It also deals with your parents DNA so you will never see the transformation in your life or any of your ancestors lifetime. |
It's a slow proces but what does it have to do with anything.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| The fact is everyone has a the DNA of a African Woman named Eve. |
That's not a fact thats a myth.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| I heard of Adam and Eve and they were white but not until I got older and questioned some of the information is when I discovered this. The bible was writtten based on the BOOK OF THE DEAD by the People of KMT (Egypt). The current bible is a different verison but has the same principles and stories. Now if all people have DNA of a African then why is it racist to say that we natural or psychologically would want to get back to our orginal form. |
Because it ISSSSS aaarrrgghhhh you say that all people want to go back because it is better so you say black people are better and you don't see anything racist in it. In what kind of world do you life in. If I said in a black neighbourhood that white people are better than black I would get beaten up.
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| I know this is totally against what you were taught and me too but this is the truth. You are supposed to love who you are that is what GOD wants you to do. |
Funny thing is I don't believe in god.
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| I am not saying don't love your self but I am saying all my life I have heard that it sucks to be BLACK and now I believe that I was feed to me that way because it is actually the other way around. |
It's not the other way around, it may suck in some places to be black because of racism.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| And to the person about the IQ, that is a test designed for Europeans (Whites). If I designed a test that was based on an knowledge I obtained from the enviroment I grew up in then you will have a hard time as well if you are European. That also furthers my point that if you are white then you do not have to deal with what I am talking about. You can live in a protected bubble filled with things you love to hear. |
IQ has nothing to do with that, it works as good anywherem you don't even know what an IQ test is.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| Put it like this. If we all were stripped of all man made things. Job, Money, Cars all the man made things we so love and enjoy. (Keep in mind the evil things companies do to offer these things) and put all races into an enviroment and we had to survive, which race of people would you follow because of His or Her god given abilities? |
I wouldn't follow any. I would just trie to survive, thats all and I join up with any group who knows how to survive. Not a collor, I would follow no, the knowlage to survive is that what is precious...It is so funny how upset people get when I am just speaking the truth. What I was taught in school was that there is a ranking of races we follow. Now I am learning all this at an American Taught Institution or University. It says that Europeans are #1 then Jews are #2 then Some Asian and Middle Eastern are number #3 and #4 are Blacks, Some Asians, Hispanic and Native American and other Middle Eastern people. Now it seems that the race of people with the most culture and soul are placed at the bottom for a reason. When you are not treated like you are #4 then you will not know what I am talking about. Now since I was been taught that at the University and that was feed to me my whole life, that I am #4 in terms of importance, intelligence, power, etc., then why are people getting offended by what I am saying. All I am doing is saying that it is a reason behind that because all men are created equal. Thus I am exposing the weakness of the people who wrote and believe this. Do you know that I used to believe this before I went to college?
I believe that not saying anything about what I know will make me a racist too. It will be like I agree with everything.
Now with IQ Tests. Like I said you can not make a standard test that all races of people can take and equally and judge people based on that. That is called White Privilege. When you have it, it is hard to see it the other way around. I can design a test too not on Math but what I know and my experiences. Now math and scientific logic might be something that was taught in your school but how does that make it standard for the world. If there was a test with the same purpose of testing Intelligence but based on what you experience living in the inner city then you will not do so well. How ignorant can you be to judge people based on education and some inner city students have books that date back to the 1980's. Whites students get a new updated book every year and it keeps them with the times. Inner city blacks get the books that Whites dont use anymore. Then you create a tests for Intelligence but Whites are prepared more for the exam. That is some BS as well.
How am I racists and some people only think Africans can run fast? Like I said Africans are the reason the entire European race exist today (Black Moors of Spain and the Dark Ages around 500 BC) so why are Europeans so bitter when I speak the truth.
That is why I said a fair judgement will be to strip you of all your man made things and try to survive on your natural instinct and see how far you will go. That is not racist that is the truth.
I really must be hitting a sore spot because if you are European then you can agree or disagree but at the end of the day you are WHITE. You can turn off the computer and TV live in a world without seeing another race if you choose. The way it is now is totally opposite from what I am saying so why are you mad?
That is why I said if the Europeans did not mentally brainwash Africans brought to America from slavery (Willie Lynch Letter: HOw to make a Slave for 500 years), we will would have taken over the US by now. See if you do your research you will know that this Method of Teaching was supposed to enslave Africans mentally for 500 years and this was 250 some years ago. We are just in the meat of the whole thing.
Now I understand why you will have to Psychologically Destroy Africans born in American because if you dont then they have the potential to own Cadillac and also drive one and that will make Europeans obslete. (this is an example please dont have a simple mind)
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| It is so funny how upset people get when I am just speaking the truth. What I was taught in school was that there is a ranking of races we follow. Now I am learning all this at an American Taught Institution or University. It says that Europeans are #1 then Jews are #2 then Some Asian and Middle Eastern are number #3 and #4 are Blacks, Some Asians, Hispanic and Native American and other Middle Eastern people. |
I would love to know which School/University/Institution this information was taught at? Can you provide names and examples of prescribed text books that have been used? I would like to see chapter and verse. 
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| Now with IQ Tests. Like I said you can not make a standard test that all races of people can take and equally and judge people based on that. That is called White Privilege. When you have it, it is hard to see it the other way around. I can design a test too not on Math but what I know and my experiences. Now math and scientific logic might be something that was taught in your school but how does that make it standard for the world. If there was a test with the same purpose of testing Intelligence but based on what you experience living in the inner city then you will not do so well. How ignorant can you be to judge people based on education and some inner city students have books that date back to the 1980's. Whites students get a new updated book every year and it keeps them with the times. Inner city blacks get the books that Whites dont use anymore. Then you create a tests for Intelligence but Whites are prepared more for the exam. That is some BS as well. |
But this is because you don't know what you are talking about. IQ tests do not test mathematical knowledge, they test spatial awareness, pattern recognition, logic, short term memory, speed of perception and a few other indicators. The result will have very little to do with what you have read and there is no easy way to 'prepare' for an IQ test. If IQ tests are designed by whites to reflect white 'privilege' then why is it that Asians score higher on average than whites do? | Quote: |
| That is why I said a fair judgement will be to strip you of all your man made things and try to survive on your natural instinct and see how far you will go. That is not racist that is the truth. |
No, it is nonsense. If you strip a person of technology and put them in a certain environment then their ability to survive will depend on what they have been taught. This means that natives of that environment (aboriginals) will inevitably do better than those from another environment.
For example, if I strip you of all technology and put you in the Arctic/Antarctic, I doubt you would survive for more than one day. An Innuit, on the other hand, would have little difficulty. It has nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with familiarity with, and knowledge of, the particular environment.
It just so happens that many of the least technological areas of the world are inhabited by people with 'black' skin and therefore (naturally) those people are best suited to live without technology in those particular environments. Pick a different enviornment and they would die. Place an African bushman in the Australian outback and he wouldn't last a week, because he would have no knowledge of the environment. It has nothing to do with skin colour. Place someone like Ray Mears in an African jungle or in the Australian outback or in the Antarctic, and he will probably do quite well - even though he is white. That is because he has the knowledge to survive in that environment, not because he is white. The idea that blacks have some sort of 'natural ability' to survive without technology is laughable (and racist).
Last edited by Bikerman on Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:17 pm; edited 3 times in total | ASAGROUP wrote: |
| It is so funny how upset people get when I am just speaking the truth. |
Angry? No. Truth about what? Really you were right abou the egyptians there it stops.
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| What I was taught in school was that there is a ranking of races we follow. Now I am learning all this at an American Taught Institution or University. It says that Europeans are #1 then Jews are #2 then Some Asian and Middle Eastern are number #3 and #4 are Blacks, Some Asians, Hispanic and Native American and other Middle Eastern people. Now it seems that the race of people with the most culture and soul are placed at the bottom for a reason. |
More culture? maybe but define "soul"
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| When you are not treated like you are #4 then you will not know what I am talking about. Now since I was been taught that at the University and that was feed to me my whole life, that I am #4 in terms of importance, intelligence, power, etc., |
Really? Ranking IQ I can life with that, some people have higher IQ. Power as in influence on the world wel yes white people are that too, the US being one of the most powerfull nations, then you have russia, europe. But importance in what?
You are not treated like that that. It's just the way it is, people in sweden make more money than aboriginals. Because its like that not because of race but of where people life, the situation around them, wealth etc. Nothing to do with race, black people in Europe do equally well as white...
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| then why are people getting offended by what I am saying. All I am doing is saying that it is a reason behind that because all men are created equal. Thus I am exposing the weakness of the people who wrote and believe this. Do you know that I used to believe this before I went to college? |
You are saying that everyone wants to be african. Theres a difference between saying that and saying that white people have a lot of power.
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| I believe that not saying anything about what I know will make me a racist too. It will be like I agree with everything. |
Not saying anything doesn't make you a racist, just silent, nothing more nothing less.
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| Now with IQ Tests. Like I said you can not make a standard test that all races of people can take and equally and judge people based on that. That is called White Privilege. |
I don't know wheter I have to laugh or cry. You SERIUOSLY think that the IQ test depends on race?
Wel, shocking news: IT DOESNT!
No white privilege.
You obviously don't know how an IQ is determined.
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| When you have it, it is hard to see it the other way around. I can design a test too not on Math but what I know and my experiences. Now math and scientific logic might be something that was taught in your school but how does that make it standard for the world. |
Well maybe nothing about history, but an IQ test is nota about history either.
Science teach you how things work from your body to your car.
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| If there was a test with the same purpose of testing Intelligence but based on what you experience living in the inner city then you will not do so well. |
Intelligence is not based in living somewhere, it depends on what you did as a kid, reading books when young can possible give yyou in the future an giher IQ.
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| How ignorant can you be to judge people based on education and some inner city students have books that date back to the 1980's. Whites students get a new updated book every year and it keeps them with the times. |
No we don't get new books every year some are quite old but they still learn us, natural processes don't change that often.
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| Inner city blacks get the books that Whites dont use anymore. Then you create a tests for Intelligence but Whites are prepared more for the exam. That is some BS as well. |
Maybe they are used but the information is just as trusteble as it was back then.
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| How am I racists and some people only think Africans can run fast? Like I said Africans are the reason the entire European race exist today (Black Moors of Spain and the Dark Ages around 500 BC) so why are Europeans so bitter when I speak the truth. |
I'm not bitter... you are.
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something on the side, a man called freud. determined there is:
Psychological projection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
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That's not the truth europeans didn't survive because of the rebirth of free speech, maybe the moors brought it a bit sooner. But a lot happened through turkey, a lot hapened there too. Not do you even know when the dark ages where... nor do you know when christianity rose, I think you are bitter and badly educated...
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| That is why I said a fair judgement will be to strip you of all your man made things and try to survive on your natural instinct and see how far you will go. That is not racist that is the truth. |
No you are being racist and not telling the truth. As for the rest Bikerman explained it quite clear.
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| I really must be hitting a sore spot because if you are European then you can agree or disagree but at the end of the day you are WHITE. You can turn off the computer and TV live in a world without seeing another race if you choose. The way it is now is totally opposite from what I am saying so why are you mad? |
I'm not mad you never got me anything close to irritated, really maybe you are I'm not. It's not a sore spot. YOU live in a paranoid world or something, most facts are of and you don't listen.
| ASAGROUP wrote: |
| That is why I said if the Europeans did not mentally brainwash Africans brought to America from slavery (Willie Lynch Letter: HOw to make a Slave for 500 years), we will would have taken over the US by now. See if you do your research you will know that this Method of Teaching was supposed to enslave Africans mentally for 500 years and this was 250 some years ago. We are just in the meat of the whole thing. |
Take over US how you are still a minority. It's democratic and there's a man runnning for president who is black, obama, take over? No one takes over anymore, people vote thats it.
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| Now I understand why you will have to Psychologically Destroy Africans born in American because if you dont then they have the potential to own Cadillac and also drive one and that will make Europeans obslete. (this is an example please dont have a simple mind) |
I have never been close to the US so we don't psychologically destroy anyone there, not even here! Here it is again europeans obselete? How do you plan to make Europeans obselete? Nor do I see why I would like (or anyone in Europe) to make shure that black people some where on the globe are poor and can't own a cadillac. | ASAGROUP wrote: |
| It is so funny how upset people get when I am just speaking the truth. What I was taught in school was that there is a ranking of races we follow. Now I am learning all this at an American Taught Institution or University. It says that Europeans are #1 then Jews are #2 then Some Asian and Middle Eastern are number #3 and #4 are Blacks, Some Asians, Hispanic and Native American and other Middle Eastern people. |
Lmao, what you don't understand is that those statistics are not based on "...they're black so let's rank them last." NO. It's ranked on what their countries have accomplished economically, among other things. Have you seen the condition of Africa? Wait, you don't want to, so you won't 
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| Now it seems that the race of people with the most culture and soul are placed at the bottom for a reason. When you are not treated like you are #4 then you will not know what I am talking about. |
I know exactly what bullshit you are talking about because according to your enlightened opinion, I too would be ranked a "#3" or "#4". Africa is one of the poorest places in the world (if not the most) and so it would be ranked "#4". Hispanics have a "#4" rank due to low economies. Asians? Lol wtf? How are Asians #4? China has one of the best economies in the world.
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| Now since I was been taught that at the University and that was feed to me my whole life, that I am #4 in terms of importance, intelligence, power, etc., then why are people getting offended by what I am saying. All I am doing is saying that it is a reason behind that because all men are created equal. |
You say that all men are equal after this:
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| all my life I have heard that it sucks to be BLACK and now I believe that I was feed to me that way because it is actually the other way around. |
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| Thus I am exposing the weakness of the people who wrote and believe this. Do you know that I used to believe this before I went to college? |
What college have you gone to?
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| I believe that not saying anything about what I know will make me a racist too. It will be like I agree with everything. |
No; what you are saying as a black-supremacist makes you a racist.
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| Now with IQ Tests. Like I said you can not make a standard test that all races of people can take and equally and judge people based on that. That is called White Privilege. When you have it, it is hard to see it the other way around. I can design a test too not on Math but what I know and my experiences. Now math and scientific logic might be something that was taught in your school but how does that make it standard for the world. |
So I need a high-level education to know the difference between a circle and a square?
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| If there was a test with the same purpose of testing Intelligence but based on what you experience living in the inner city then you will not do so well. How ignorant can you be to judge people based on education and some inner city students have books that date back to the 1980's. Whites students get a new updated book every year and it keeps them with the times. Inner city blacks get the books that Whites dont use anymore. Then you create a tests for Intelligence but Whites are prepared more for the exam. That is some BS as well. |
Knowing that Circle Goes to Oval as Square Goes to Rectangle does not need any new research, textbook, or anything. You know that you make a circle 'longer' and 'thinner' and you have an oval, and you do the same thing to a square and you have a rectangle. Not rocket science.
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| Like I said Africans are the reason the entire European race exist today (Black Moors of Spain and the Dark Ages around 500 BC) so why are Europeans so bitter when I speak the truth. |
LOL, you're the only one who thinks you're speaking the truth.
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| That is why I said a fair judgement will be to strip you of all your man made things and try to survive on your natural instinct and see how far you will go. That is not racist that is the truth. |
Stop telling us you're telling the truth =) what makes you think that Africans will reach the farthest if this scenario were to occur? As Bikerman has already explained, Africans would survive in the environment that they are adapted to. Africans, being as all mighty as you make them sound, would not survive in the Arctic.
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| I really must be hitting a sore spot because if you are European then you can agree or disagree but at the end of the day you are WHITE. |
That crosses the ****ing line. You are racist. That's the truth.
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| You can turn off the computer and TV live in a world without seeing another race if you choose. The way it is now is totally opposite from what I am saying so why are you mad? |
Ah; so you are admitting that you're wrong.
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| That is why I said if the Europeans did not mentally brainwash Africans brought to America from slavery (Willie Lynch Letter: HOw to make a Slave for 500 years), we will would have taken over the US by now. See if you do your research you will know that this Method of Teaching was supposed to enslave Africans mentally for 500 years and this was 250 some years ago. We are just in the meat of the whole thing. |
LMFAO; first of all, what you don't understand is that AMERICA had the slaves. So wait, say no one went to Africa and captured slaves...if this didn't happen, Africa would have control over America? WTF ?
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| Now I understand why you will have to Psychologically Destroy Africans born in American because if you dont then they have the potential to own Cadillac and also drive one and that will make Europeans obslete. (this is an example please dont have a simple mind) |
What the hell are you bullshitting about now? Who says only Europians can own Cadillacs? If a black person gets a Cadillac, Europeans are obsolete? I've seen many black people with Cadillacs, Ferraris, BMWs, etc. Does that make Europians obsolete?
Honestly dude, the fact is you are full of bullshit. Don't say "all I was saying is..." because originally all you were tal