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why should we pay stupid people to rebuild their homes?






cease offering "federal" recovery money to people who build homes in stupid locations
Yes, stop it immediately
66%
 66%  [ 8 ]
Hey, I'm one of those stupid people. I don't give a hoot about the right thing. Gimme my money
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
No, stupid people should continue wasting public money for {insert COGENT reason here}
33%
 33%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 12

gonzo
Hey no one likes disasters, and I'm no fan of unjustly injuring people. But give me a break. Stop building in stupid locations! I hope we cease giving federal money to rebuild homes in annual disaster areas: hurricane alley, flood planes, cliffside, sand canyons

The ONLY exception should be a one time recovery on the onset of the stop-being-stupid plan. You'll get your rebuild money on the condition you don't build your house somewhere patently stupid.

Hey you want to build your house on a sandly slope before a rainy season? Have at. But don't expect 'the people' to buy you a new home WHEN it slides away in the next big rainstorm. Think for a moment how your canyon was formed.


Oh you want to build your fourteen million dollar home on the edge of a cliff? Fine, go for it. It'll be good for the local economy. Ikes you home slid into the ocean again. That sucks. But it's on you to build it again. You're free to waste your money as you see fit. Think for a moment about how cliffs are formed.

So you want to park your mobile- or prefab home in that cheap flood plane? Do you have big floaties? OK. Drive up, park. Whatever. Oh hey it's raining. Here comes a big gush of water. Swoosh there goves your cheap hovel. Bust! You new it was a flood plane. Realtors MUST disclose that "feature" of your property. You didn't read the contract? Tough bananas for you. That's also not my problem. Wait, why is it called a FLOOD plane?


[repeat for hurrican alley, and other stupid locations]


Mind you, I'm not a liberalist drone -- stupidity is equal opportunity. I no more want to offer recovery money to the affluent than to the poor- or middle class who are equally stupid.
cnnet
you may feel happy when you help others
stupid ppl also have the right to live in the world
gonzo
cnnet wrote:
you may feel happy when you help others
Yes, yes I do. Loving, though sometimes arduous, is joyful. Smile

Quote:
stupid ppl also have the right to live in the world
I never asserted the contrary. Confused The world needs gammas in the many service industries. Wink

I am suffering righteous indignation over the misappropriation- and use of smarter peoples' hard earned money. And as my poll manifests I am not alone in sentiment.


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Jack_Hammer
Right now with TAX your paying stupid people to live...

Things are right to different people, like some people think cannabalism is wrong, some people believe that eating animals are wrong, some people believe that eating plants are wrong, some people believe killing is wrong, etc. you just have to go along with the general concensouse (sp?). That is the problem with the world, most people can't see any other situation or argument from there point of view, you have to look at both sides of the argument.
Jack_Hammer
Right now your paying thiefs murderers rapists etc. to live
Your paying for people some who can't get a job some too lazy to get a job to get paid, your paying some people who are crazy and who will live in an isilame for the rest of their lives, and in this country I am paying for the royal family and the queen to be rich and die with a £3,000,000,000 overdraught.
Zibé
and what do you want ????!!!!
let them dying in a stadium !!!???

Oh I think that it's more clever to spend money in war, or in oil !!
Why giving money to"stupid" people, or do you mean
"why giving money to black people" !!!!????
you think that it will be a good thing for the american economy.

It's you, the stupid man in this story,
I wish you live like these "stupid" people one day !!!

( sorry for moderators, but it's too offensing to see a man
who say "stupid" things like that... If I could, i would have write
all the insults i know, in french, in english and finally in spanish... Mad )
homer09001
Where people live is up to them its there choice to live somewhere that is at high risk from natural disasters but for some people they are forced to live tehre in effect because the land is soo cheap so its easy to build there and therefor cauing problems with disasters
Jack_Hammer
Quote:
Why giving money to"stupid" people, or do you mean
"why giving money to black people" !!!!????


He ment nothing offnisive at all, nor should you asume he did. He never implied through what he said to be racist in any form.
Zibé
sorry if I said some thinds with exageration,
but I was very angry when I read the text...
jveezy
Newsflash. I don't think any location is free from natural disaster.

If "stupid" people shouldn't build homes in dangerous locations, I think we should evacuate the entire Gulf Coast and lower East Coast for the obvious hurricane threat. Then evacuate the entire West Coast for the earthquake threat. Don't forget the midwest and northeast. We can't live there. Too many snowstorms and a few tornadoes here and there. Let's all cram into the southwest. Wait. That's not the most fertile place in the world. How about Honolulu? According to this article: http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2005/08/30/safestplaces-insurance-realestate-cx_sc_0830home_ls.html?partner=rss

Honolulu is the safest place in the US. But there's probably not enough room for all of us.

I hope you realize how stupid you are the next time something bad happens to you.
S3nd K3ys
jveezy wrote:
Newsflash. I don't think any location is free from natural disaster.
....


No, but when you can stand in the street and watch ships sail by TWENTY FEET ABOVE YOU, it's got to send up a sign that something's not right.

I, for one, wouldn't not be crazy enough to live there.
Jack_Hammer
Quote:
sorry if I said some thinds with exageration,
but I was very angry when I read the text...


Don't worry sometimes we all take things the wrong way.
Wink
Texas Al
Um, those stupid people paid taxes too, so it would be kind of a ripoff to back out on them now, don't you think?

Um retards, if N.O.'s location didn't confer economic advantages to the nation that offset its geographical risks, do you think it would have remained settled for as long as it has? Hey, I have an idea, let's all move out of California (fault line), off the Southern and Eastern coasts (hurricanes), the desert states (inadequate local water supply), Washington State (volcanic activity), and the Northeast (pollution, overcrowding, crime). We can all live in the Great Plains and be nice and cozy. You first.

Oh, and there *is* no right way to take Gonzo's poll. I mean, pretend for a minute you're not a crackpot and read it the way a sane person might read it. It's either idiotic or childishly mean-spirited, take your pick. Don't apologize to anybody for being mad at these bozos, they're every bit as bad as the people who claim it was "our fault" 911 happened.

Are you people like secret liberals *trying* to make conservatives look like puppy-rapers or what?
Jack_Hammer
I've always wanted to know, what (In America) is your big problem generally with Socalism and Communism, I can understand that communism has it's flaws only of which are human in theory it would work without people being self centerd and gready rather than look out for the country as a whole, I can understand you having a problem with that, but what I can't understand is why so many people are against socailism, is it wrong that every eprson should be born equal with the same rights and responsabilitys as the next person, yes ever person is indavidual and in the choices they choose when they grow up their life will change bu the basic principle is that everyone starts off equal and with the same oppertunaties as everyone else?
sibbahz
I can see the arguement both ways, they would probaly recieve enough in donations to pay to rebuild the homes anyway without needing any federal money. This has become an international charity matter from what we can see here in the UK
S3nd K3ys
Jack_Hammer wrote:
...is it wrong that every eprson should be born equal with the same rights and responsabilitys as the next person...


No, it's not wrong. In fact, it's what this country is all about, but keep reading below...


Quote:
...
the choices they choose when they grow up their life will change bu the basic principle is that everyone starts off equal and with the same oppertunaties as everyone else?


If, in your life, you become lazy because people are always giving to you, then you are useless. Therefore, given equal status at birth, your actions as you mature will dictate your success. If you're a leach, you'll (hopefully) fade into oblivion. If you work hard, you will (hopefully) be rewarded.

It's very simple, IMNSHO.
RA
The bulk of New Orleans should be relocated about 5-10 miles away, above the water level. The cost to build there would be about the same, but the cost to protect against flodding would be billions $$ less. Best of all, it would no longer be nearly as susceptable to this type of disaster in the future.
Scott
Gonzo, I don't believe it is that simple to not have a house in a "stupid location. For one, like someone mentioned, some cannot afford to live where they want to, they don't have the option to build anywhere else. Other people have families and homes which they don't want to move away from.

When tradgedy happens it hurts so much to those involved, it would be absolutly insane to leave them homeless.

After thinking about it I don't know how anyone could even think about not giving money to these people to rebuild their homes. Even if you don't care, do you have any idea how angry the public would be for just leaving disaster victims in the streets?
Deji
the issue is a lot more complicated than just "thats a stupid place and your stupid for being there" lots of areas are effected by natural disasters and it is an issue do you rebuild in a place that could be just as dangerous again.

however people tend to get attatched to where they live,especially when a city has been in a specific place for a long time.

the issue is is it possible to make the homes safe there , via engineering / defences etc. to stop this kinda thing happening again. If not THEN its time to think about other things, but just because an area gets damaged that doesnt nessesarily mean you never build there again.

also people arnt always in a place by choice.. many of them dont have the money to live anywhere else / move, as you have probably seen some people wernt even able to get out of the city when a hurricane was on its way.

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also if you are going to make a poll how about offering some options that dont in some way agree with you. The people in new orleans arnt stupid, the government / people there tried to get more money to improve the flood defences.. which might have made a difference to the water level... you couldnt have stopped some fooding but it wouldnt have been as bad as this. (but the government is spending all its money on the millitry)

whats the point of making a thread if your entire view point is one sided..
jveezy
S3nd K3ys wrote:
jveezy wrote:
Newsflash. I don't think any location is free from natural disaster.
....


No, but when you can stand in the street and watch ships sail by TWENTY FEET ABOVE YOU, it's got to send up a sign that something's not right.

I, for one, wouldn't not be crazy enough to live there.


Neither would I, but considering that it's not the most hurricane-prone area, I don't think it would be extremely "stupid" to assume that you are safe as long as the levees hold. If you can watch ships sail twenty feet above you, and you've been watching ships sail by twenty feet above you for so many years, I think you should have some sort of confidence that it's not the worst place to live. There's something there that's keeping you safe, and as long as that thing is there, you're okay. If that thing could potentially fail, then fix it. It that sense, I think the local government definitely breached the trust of its citizens. I don't think the federal government should be required to fund local improvements to levee systems since that's a local issue, but I don't think we can blame the people that live there for trusting their local government to keep them safe. That, if nothing else, is the duty of government.

Sometimes bad things happen to good people. That doesn't mean these people are stupid. Yeah, they live in a dangerous area, but they're told it's safe and they trust that the people that tell them it's safe know what they're doing. This was a freak accident of nature and a failure of the local government to prepare for disaster. Maybe you can, but I can't blame the people of New Orleans for their trouble. Who knows why they live there? Maybe that's where the jobs are.

Also, don't think that we don't have something to gain by rebuilding this area. The gulf coast has some influence in this country's economy. For economic reasons alone, I think the federal government should invest some sort of financial contribution to this area even if you think those people are stupid for living there.
SharKay
First of all, I think before some people post they should first set back take a deep breath and Reread what they are about to post. So that they don't look imature and show that they are lacking knowledge/ good sense.

Why don't you just rethink your post/ unless it was your hopes to get people all upset because of your imature poll.

I actually do not think that there is a place free from anything. Home are lost from Tornados....homes are lost from Earthquakes...homes are lost from Mud Slides....home are lost from Floods....homes are lost from Fires. So all these area should be rid of people.... Rolling Eyes

Maybe you should go to these areas and give them your idea....tell them they are stupid...don't just type it here...take your little message to them....lets see how mature you are....and just how much knowledge you have.
knechtmusic
I'm new here...been lurking today. Really hoping to have free web hosting offered to me soon. Well, I guess I'll just jump in: My belief, as an American, is that Socialism/Communism would work great in a perfect world, with perfect people, perfect leaders, etc. Unfortunately, none of us in this world are perfect Twisted Evil and that is the problem. Hopefully that makes sense? Unfortunately, there are going to always be people who dishonestly try to get more out of the system than they give, in an imperfect world.
thadnation
knechtmusic hits the nail on the head, and america has (arguably) the best available solution, given human greed and all.
Donutey
They should be given some assistance, but they must rebuild in a "safe" location. After Katrina some good bits of New Orleans were probably not worth the effort rebuilding where they were before, because keeping it dry is only going to get harder.
pashmina
we should help them build or help with what ever we can do to those unfortunate people. i really feel sorry for the natural calamity. it couldn't have been avoided. well the last time i did something to them was, blood donations, clothes donation etc.

if i have an opportunity to help them build their home, i would be more than happy to give a hand. but in my area no such disaster has taken place
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