Well, first we must establish something:
Can the U.S.A. even join the EU?
And, if so, should we?
I'm starting to think so ...
After all, imagine the world's strongest military and the world's greatest economy combined ... we could be a monopoly for Civil Rights!
| Soulfire wrote: |
Well, first we must establish something:
Can the U.S.A. even join the EU?
And, if so, should we?
I'm starting to think so ...
After all, imagine the world's strongest military and the world's greatest economy combined ... we could be a monopoly for Civil Rights! |
In my opinion, the USA shouldn't be allowed to join the EU seen as its not part of Europe. It doesn't make sense, only members of states of Europe can join the EU...and as of yet, only countries that are in Europe are allowed to apply.
Concerning whether I want them to, if it was possible, it has its pros and cons.
A few things that should be mentioned....
It would create a lot of problems, especially concerning the Four Freedoms of Movement (goods, people, services and capital), set out in the Treaty of Rome 1957 and thats not going to change as this treaty formed the EU.
So, because of the movements it'll create problems, like the movement of people. The "American Dream" and terrorism to name just two.
The US isn't going to like all of the important decisions to be made in another country, by other countries.
Nor is it going to want to change its currency as the "world currency" (if there is such a thing), at the moment is the US$...although here, the UK, has refused to give up the Sterling.
I don't know what the medical (a possible new American-NHS?), and educational implications would be. But they could also be affected.
.....
If Earth was against another force like from different planets (which at the moment however likely it is, is not plausable at this time), then of course every single country should unite...
BUT should the US be able to/join the EU, my opinion is no.Nevermind the original post, but what really needs to be done is similar to how europe is setup where people essentially have free range between member countries. Here we are in N. America and the US is now requiring passports just to go to Canada (it's not like it would take any effort to covertly move between countries). All the passport does it be an inconvenience, between first world countries at least.
I think the new passport regulations are good and important. Its better than a national id card, like REAL ID.
And no I would definitely be against joining any type of union bigger than what we have already. We already have a union it's called the United States of America.
The whole purpose of creating the USA was to join the separate states, and to have one currency. Originally many states had their own currency. Essentially interstate travel is the same thing as interunion travel. You don't need an ID to go from one state to another. Look at the average size of a European country, and the average size of a US state, they're not all that different.
Heck most of our states are bigger than a lot of the European countries.
Imagine needing a passport to go from one state to another, now in that circumstance it would make sense to have a union, and we do, its called the USA!
As an American living in the UK, it would be AWESOME to have EU rights here, lemme tell you. US citizens have less rights than someone from Canada (who are part of the Commonwealth) and it's quite often frustrating to be bumped out of a job even though we speak perfect English over an EU candidate that does not.
HOWEVER (and a big one), I don't think the US, morally or politically, should ever be allowed or consider joining the EU. It would be wrong and bad on many fronts.
I don't think Europe likes the USA too much, they wouldn't allow it even if it was possible to join. The culture and motives here are completely different compared to Europe.
First of all USA is not in Europe so it should not be possible. If all the countries could join what kind of union would it be? I think we are too different in USA and Europe so it isn't possible to join. In the EU countries we are still recommended to have passports (I don't know if we have to). The great distance between USA and the European countries is also very big. If we wait some billions of years and maybe the northern america continent has moved over to Europe then we can talk about joining.
In my own opinion I don't like neither USA or EU so have to be a part of a combination of the both would make me feel very sick.
| halflife268 wrote: |
| I don't think Europe likes the USA too much, they wouldn't allow it even if it was possible to join. The culture and motives here are completely different compared to Europe. |
Hmmm, in what way? I think the country most similiar to the USA is the UK, which is in Europe. Theres not that many differences, the major two i can think of are the fact the UK has a NHS, America doesn't, as well as a Royal Family.I seriously thing that's a silly idea haha. The USA isn't even in Europe!
Don't you, er, have to be in Europe to be in the European union? I mean, I know many Americans aren't too good at geography, but I think they'd notice eventually.
Maybe.
Why don't we start a new organization? Like, a North Atlantic one or something
I do suppose the reason why making the EU in the first place was too make sure USA would not be the single "seat of power" in this world (not wanting to mention the cold war, but still...). So for the US to join EU would then be quite meaningless from the European point of view.
Anyway, EU wants people too be able to travel freely across boarders. As mentioned before, this is not US policy these days. So, free marketing sure, but for the rest there's no way the US and EU could find a good way of solving it.
And speaking about countries which is not in Europe, Turkey wants to join in. And the last time I checked it was a country in the middle east. Even though they very much would like to be inside European boarders from time to time.
| Donutey wrote: |
| Nevermind the original post, but what really needs to be done is similar to how europe is setup where people essentially have free range between member countries. Here we are in N. America and the US is now requiring passports just to go to Canada (it's not like it would take any effort to covertly move between countries). All the passport does it be an inconvenience, between first world countries at least. |
As you said "NOW". Passports are required because they provide a little added security - NOT - but that was the reasoning. Don't forget about Mexico, same applies.I don't think it possible for USA government to join the Europe Union. After all, USA isn't located in Europe and USA is strong and needn't a union. USA can develope well herself. 
I don't think that the USA can join the EU... It's not part of Europe, and it's really far from Europe.
The EU was founded to createa balanced power in the World. The USA was the strongest country and they were a bit afraid.
Now there is China that is becoming a new world powerful contry...
They already did, they called it NATO... 
| Shewolf wrote: |
| And speaking about countries which is not in Europe, Turkey wants to join in. And the last time I checked it was a country in the middle east. Even though they very much would like to be inside European boarders from time to time. |
Actually part of Turkey is in Europe. The other part is in Asia. A country divided across two continents.Turkey is a HUGE country, and a tiny, little corner of it is placed "in Europe". It's not divided, equally. Russia on the other hand is divided, no matter how you put it. And by the way, I do not think the US would like to join in if Russia did...
That would be a nice mess The European Union is more than an economic free-trade zone or simply a convenient tool to simplify travel or monetary transactions. It is, in my opinion a concept, an attempt to move away from petty, militaristic, nationalistic, flag-waving patriotism and towards a humanist furure. On the day the U.S. feels able to recognize international institutions, anything from the International Court of Justice to the Kyoto Protocol, from the Geneva Convention to the U.N., then they would not want join the European Union. They would replace NAFTA with a fair, functioning alternative, take their seat at the United Nations and change the world for the better as it has never been done before and any other achievements of the U.S. would pale in comparison. Perhaps they will some day, for the past years though, they have, regrettably, done the almost exact opposite.
The European Union is a economical and political counterbalance to such super powers as the USA. So it shouldn't be melted.
Also, it was already mentioned that American citizens have less rights and the politics work a bit different. Considering this, I would presume that the USA would want to apply these politics on the EU, something I surely don't want.
But anyway, the USA is a Federation and the EU is, too, so it wouldn't make sense to put one into another.
And for military purposese, there is already the NATO.
I don't think it makes any sense of the United States of AMERICA to join the EUROPEAN union. On the other hand I DO think that it would be an interesting idea for Russia to join NATO though. That might make greater progress towards peace in the world.
European Union is a body which is supposed to unify all european countries for the betterment of Europe and the world in general. If other countries are also allowed to join then over time it would become a competitor to UN and loose its distinct characterstic.
It cant be a part of Europe ( check the map to see why ), but I do think that the counties of north america should all join and have a north american union. Canada and the US would be strong, and eventually mexico will also strengthen and be a contributing country.
first of all, the usa shouldn't be allowed in. because we aren't in europe.
and even if we could get in, i think the europeans would take it as a personal affront.
like the u.s. is so arrogant that they are butting into a european union even though we're not a part of europe.
you catch my drift? ^^
The US is very different from European union states politically, economically and culturally. The rules the EU has are very different from the rules the US has. (The US is a more conservative country.) it wouldn't be possible.
Plus the US isn't in Europe.
I've watched videos on the proposal of the North American Union. I also saw a web page that had currency that was to be the money of the North American Union. Not sure if it was real but it was pretty convincing. They had ID cards and all sorts of propaganda. With the American dollar doing so poorly, Canada has everything to lose with this uniting of countries. At least a lot of Mexicans will have a nice raise on their paychecks and might not have to leave Mexico for better paying jobs in the United States. All these regions uniting makes the biblical Revelations look all the more plausible... and I'm a Taoist.
The EU is a project to oppose the USA. Not oppose it but have the ability to oppose it if need be.
One example is the Galileo satellite programme to replace the American GPS in europe.
Therefore the USA would not be invited to join the EU, would not be allowed or welcomed etc.
I don't like the EU by the way. If you feel like coming over and splitting it up, feel free | mathiaus wrote: |
The EU is a project to oppose the USA. Not oppose it but have the ability to oppose it if need be.
One example is the Galileo satellite programme to replace the American GPS in europe.
Therefore the USA would not be invited to join the EU, would not be allowed or welcomed etc.
I don't like the EU by the way. If you feel like coming over and splitting it up, feel free |
In my opinion, you will need to provide more arguments than the Galileo program to substantiate that claim. I fail to see how motivation and raison d'etre of the ECSC (European Coal and Steel Community), the Treaties of Rome, the EEC (European Economic Community), the EU, the Schengen Agreement, the European Monetary Union and the (albeit) unfinished European Constitution Project can be simply traced back to an anti-American stance. In that context, every car built in Japan, every toy produced in China, every liter of crude oil pumped out of the ground in the Middle East is nothing but the attempt to undermine and curtail American power and influence.
The Galileo project will certainly be a competitor to the American GPS (although other systems are also in place), but considering the low quality of the GPS system (at least that part which is shared and not restricted to U.S. military use) and the implicit threat of deactivation or signal skewing (as the Pentagon has indicated might be possible), make it reasonable to attempt building a new, commercially based, system. Although there are major differences between the EU and the US, not everything should be reduced to this (in my opinion largely imaginary) conflict.It would be nice to have the US and Europe get a little closer, though. But this close is impossible.
Sorry but this question is like asking if Germany should become the 51st state of America...
No, America shouldn't join the EU. The smaller the gov't is the better imo because gov't tends to screw up very simple things. Also, the best form of government is self government so being governed by people on the other side of the world seems like a loss too.
