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Atlantis
Hey,
I wanted to know what everyone thinks about the Atlantis legend.
Do you believe it existed or not?
If so, where to you think it was located? Santorini? Black Sea? South America? Azores?
I use to think it was complete rubbish. But recent archaeological evidence has shown some amazing findings...
(1) they've found tobacco in the Pyramids of Egypt
(2) the discovery of the Pyramids of Caral in Peru, dated to the same time period as the Pyramids in Egypt
(3) evidence of a 'great flood'
I wanted to know what everyone thinks about the Atlantis legend.
Do you believe it existed or not?
If so, where to you think it was located? Santorini? Black Sea? South America? Azores?
I use to think it was complete rubbish. But recent archaeological evidence has shown some amazing findings...
(1) they've found tobacco in the Pyramids of Egypt
(2) the discovery of the Pyramids of Caral in Peru, dated to the same time period as the Pyramids in Egypt
(3) evidence of a 'great flood'
If you are asking if Plato based his account of Atlantis on some historic or contemporary occurance, such as a serious volcanic eruption or other natural disaster (of which quite few are documented), then yes, it would certainly be in character with other works of the times. If you, as I am assuming, are looking for a more sensational explanation, then the answer is "no": I see no amount of proof for any wild theories making Atlantis a mythical island populated by an advanced race (usually) somewhere outside the Mediterranean ocean. The last "theory" I heard placed Atlantis on a (sunken) island in the Poopo Lake on the Bolivian Antiplano. Pfft. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof and I haven't even seen any ordinary proof of any kind.
I concur.
Plato is the only reference for Atlantis - all other accounts are later and are based on Plato - specifically Timaeus and Critias.
There are two (sensible) schools of thought. One school believe it is pure allegory - Plato used the story of Atlantis to illustrate his own political theories. The other school believe it could have been based on either historical tragedy (such as the Trojan war) or contemporaneous events such as the destruction of Helike.
Much of the rest is pseudo-science and psycho-babble.
Plato is the only reference for Atlantis - all other accounts are later and are based on Plato - specifically Timaeus and Critias.
There are two (sensible) schools of thought. One school believe it is pure allegory - Plato used the story of Atlantis to illustrate his own political theories. The other school believe it could have been based on either historical tragedy (such as the Trojan war) or contemporaneous events such as the destruction of Helike.
Much of the rest is pseudo-science and psycho-babble.
In my opinion, Plato's statements about Atlantis aren't enough to prove that it existed. I find all the rumours interesting, but don't give them much credibility. If Atlantis did exist, then it isn't likely to have been as Plato described - if any of his claims are true, then I would be more inclined to accept the suggestion that some disaster destroyed Atlantis. I would think that the story of a great disaster would be more likely to survive over time rather than the specific details, such as the layout of the city, the materials with which it was built and the civilisation that inhabited it.
Hmm...
I always found Atlantis quite interesting. However I do believe it exists but there are just so many different accounts of its whereabouts and existance to really make an accurate presumption. Some say it was a city below a volcano, which erupted destroying the city completely, others say it was destroyed in a great flood, or sinking island. Some say it is in the middle of the Atlantis Ocean, Santorini islands, coast of america and many others.
It really depends on what scientist you look at really...everyone has their own theory so I'm just going to hope sometmie in the next 50 years we find something so then I can come back here *assuming its even up.......* *.... some more....* and make a definate answer. But it might help if we knew what Atlantis really was, a city destroyed by a volcano, or sunk *maybe by a volcano*, guess we can't be certain.
I always found Atlantis quite interesting. However I do believe it exists but there are just so many different accounts of its whereabouts and existance to really make an accurate presumption. Some say it was a city below a volcano, which erupted destroying the city completely, others say it was destroyed in a great flood, or sinking island. Some say it is in the middle of the Atlantis Ocean, Santorini islands, coast of america and many others.
It really depends on what scientist you look at really...everyone has their own theory so I'm just going to hope sometmie in the next 50 years we find something so then I can come back here *assuming its even up.......* *.... some more....* and make a definate answer. But it might help if we knew what Atlantis really was, a city destroyed by a volcano, or sunk *maybe by a volcano*, guess we can't be certain.
Yes, I believe in Atlantis....the TV show Stargate Atlantis. I think Atlantis for real is a definite maybe.
I think atlantis is one big made up story, although I don't know much about the background, i.e. when this story was created..
| Coclus wrote: |
| I think atlantis is one big made up story, although I don't know much about the background, i.e. when this story was created.. |
The only original mention of Atlantis that I recall is in Plato's Dialogues. Everything else is wishful / romantic thinking. Perhaps Plato did base his account of Atlantis on some historic backround, but that is about it. It's a captivating story, but still only a story.
| MaxStirner wrote: | ||
The only original mention of Atlantis that I recall is in Plato's Dialogues. Everything else is wishful / romantic thinking. Perhaps Plato did base his account of Atlantis on some historic backround, but that is about it. It's a captivating story, but still only a story. |
This is correct. The first mention is Plato. All subsequent mentions are based on Plato's account. Plato may well have based his story on a historical happening - as previously mentioned. It is very unlikely, however, that it was anything that we would today recognise as 'Atlantis' - the submerged civilisation. It is much more likely to have been based on a more prosaic disaster such as Helike
it has got to exist. the world is big enough to hold it all somewheres.
| mattgutmann wrote: |
| it has got to exist. the world is big enough to hold it all somewheres. |
Well, the world is certainly big enough to hold a large pink talking teapot called Nigel, but I don't think you will find one soon...
I'm not sure either way, but the idea it being Santorini does sound like the most realistic explanation.
I did once read a very detailed analysis on this website that argued that it was this large landmass between Asia and Australia, from an earlier time when it wasn't underwater. Found that intriguing, but not convinced.
So - not quite willing to say that it was real, but happy to debate what it might have been, or where it might have existed.
I did once read a very detailed analysis on this website that argued that it was this large landmass between Asia and Australia, from an earlier time when it wasn't underwater. Found that intriguing, but not convinced.
So - not quite willing to say that it was real, but happy to debate what it might have been, or where it might have existed.
May be it did but for all we knwo it even does now
Atlantis is fun to believe in, same as the monster of loch ness or that the great pyramids were build by aliens.
it's all nice but really... If Atlantis would be found it would be
1 : made by man ( like they made the romulus and remus cave ( http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSL2069138320071120 )
and
2 : wasted by the forces of nature...
I like the show ( Stargate Atlantis ) and it's fun to believe in something that is not yet discovered but the sources are low and clues to finding it ( if they existed ) have probably been removed by time.
it's all nice but really... If Atlantis would be found it would be
1 : made by man ( like they made the romulus and remus cave ( http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSL2069138320071120 )
and
2 : wasted by the forces of nature...
I like the show ( Stargate Atlantis ) and it's fun to believe in something that is not yet discovered but the sources are low and clues to finding it ( if they existed ) have probably been removed by time.
I suppose just because Plato described a cave does not mean it existed (which it obviously doesn't), so perhaps Atlantis could have just been some kind of way to communicate his philosophical views.
If you're looking for the super futuristic Atlantis that we see portrayed in the media with actual modern technology and some sort of force field dome, you won't get. The media has a tendency to do something like that.
If it's a civilization like Egypt that we can say was very ahead of it's time, I definitely think it's possible. Plato made his description of Atlantis, but I would contend that a lot of his tale is hyperbole that has captured the imagination of later generations that has really sensationalized it.
If it's a civilization like Egypt that we can say was very ahead of it's time, I definitely think it's possible. Plato made his description of Atlantis, but I would contend that a lot of his tale is hyperbole that has captured the imagination of later generations that has really sensationalized it.
It is a story that I liked to hear when I was young enough to believe it, but now, I can watch its movies may be to enjoy a couple of hours or so...
Even though, to my knowledge, that no one so far has reached physically the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, were some claimed it is there in the very beginning, but they have equipment that did and they found nothing but solid stones. no spaceships or any advanced technologies. but still some people like Prof. Arysio Nunes dos Santos say: we were looking in the wrong places and that with the help of our new technologies, and the advance of the different sciences we can locate the exact location of Atlantis.
Prof. Arysio claims it is down under the South China Sea and he made a whole book about it and about his theory.
Looks like Plato made an ever lasting mystery
Even though, to my knowledge, that no one so far has reached physically the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, were some claimed it is there in the very beginning, but they have equipment that did and they found nothing but solid stones. no spaceships or any advanced technologies. but still some people like Prof. Arysio Nunes dos Santos say: we were looking in the wrong places and that with the help of our new technologies, and the advance of the different sciences we can locate the exact location of Atlantis.
Prof. Arysio claims it is down under the South China Sea and he made a whole book about it and about his theory.
Looks like Plato made an ever lasting mystery
I would say that it existed, maybe not like we hear the tale but there is many mysteries in this world. A whole city was burried under the ash of a volcano in Italy, so why can't a city disappear beneath water or something like that. Could be that they built it on something that wasn't secure, or a flood took the city.
Anyway, I believe it has some truth to it, whatever the reason might be or the real story.
Anyway, I believe it has some truth to it, whatever the reason might be or the real story.
i believe in the existence of Atlantis but where it's located i do not know. A great civilization existed during the Greeks is plausible because look at all the known great Kingdoms of ancient time, the Mesopotamian, Mayan, Aztec, Egyptian, even the great Native American Indian.
If we take it the way you mean, imera, then we can rely on the fact that "every myth has its share of reality", in other words, every myth has really happened but long times made it vary then differ than the original incident. The longer the time passes, the more the story is mixed, varied and differed than the original incident.
| MeddlingMonk wrote: |
| In my opinion, Plato's statements about Atlantis aren't enough to prove that it existed. I find all the rumours interesting, but don't give them much credibility. If Atlantis did exist, then it isn't likely to have been as Plato described - if any of his claims are true, then I would be more inclined to accept the suggestion that some disaster destroyed Atlantis. I would think that the story of a great disaster would be more likely to survive over time rather than the specific details, such as the layout of the city, the materials with which it was built and the civilisation that inhabited it. |
I agree and I'm leaning toward it not existing.
i thought atlantis were existed 
well, i may dont have any proof, but i do feel the aura
Atlantis = Exist
well, i may dont have any proof, but i do feel the aura
Atlantis = Exist
| gandalfthegrey wrote: |
| Hey,
I wanted to know what everyone thinks about the Atlantis legend. Do you believe it existed or not? If so, where to you think it was located? Santorini? Black Sea? South America? Azores? I use to think it was complete rubbish. But recent archaeological evidence has shown some amazing findings... (1) they've found tobacco in the Pyramids of Egypt (2) the discovery of the Pyramids of Caral in Peru, dated to the same time period as the Pyramids in Egypt (3) evidence of a 'great flood' |
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| Bikerman wrote: |
| I concur.
Plato is the only reference for Atlantis - all other accounts are later and are based on Plato - specifically Timaeus and Critias. |
I don't go for the Edgar Cayce Atlantis story of an island of people who talk to fish through crystals or whatever. I do believe there was a civilization at one time, which probably had better technology than the rest of the world, and had it's own history reaching back much farther than we give credit for. I think they were the people who inspired alot of knowledge throughout the world, including the worldwide phenomenon of megalithic buildings and astronomy and many other things.
Many ancient cultures believed in a long lost civilization which brought knowledge to the world, the Aztecs called it Aztlan(eerily similar to Atlantis), for instance.
Sadly, historians are as stubborn as religious zealots when it comes to writing history. Once they have it written that something happend this way at this time, it takes an act of god to get them to consider another possibility, especially something as big as an Atlantean civilization, which would rewrite history altogether.
But in short, yes, I believe there was such a civilization. But I wonder what they called themselves.
I think Atlantis was real. Because they have found some ancient pottery that used to belong to the city. And it also had name cravings and also some pictures. But they were too scratched to properly analyse who they were
| DJLoneWolf wrote: |
| I think Atlantis was real. |
| DJLoneWolf wrote: |
| Because they have found some ancient pottery that used to belong to the city. |
| DJLoneWolf wrote: |
| And it also had name cravings and also some pictures. |
| DJLoneWolf wrote: |
| But they were too scratched to properly analyse who they were |
I voted "no", as there is no real evidence for this city. It's only speculation in my eyes 
Plato wrote lots about things which didn't exist, just to explain his philosofy. So there might be a city on which his tellings are based, but the city of Atlantis never existed. It's not like Troy, which was found and distroyed thanks to Homer.
| atleetalie wrote: |
| Plato wrote lots about things which didn't exist, just to explain his philosofy. So there might be a city on which his tellings are based, but the city of Atlantis never existed. It's not like Troy, which was found and distroyed thanks to Homer. |
I understand you don't believe Atlantis existed, but 200 years ago, you would not have believed Troy was real either. I don't claim to know that Atlantis existed, but just because we haven't found it yet, doesn't mean it isn't real. Just like Troy.
I believe it exist.
How can one believe something which is not been proved to have existed
| yagnyavalkya wrote: |
| How can one believe something which is not been proved to have existed |
I would like to believe Atlantis existed. To believe is much healthier for the immune system than to "know". Knowledge is an awesome responsibility and always a challenge, as for every theory there is always a counter-theory and opposite point of view. With belief comes imagination and creativity, Atlantis has completely captured all of that for me.
| Bikerman wrote: | ||
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OK
My simple answer is I don't believe in Atlantis!
| yagnyavalkya wrote: |
| OK
My simple answer is I don't believe in Atlantis! |
| deanhills wrote: |
| I would like to believe Atlantis existed. |
If every culture in the world had passed down information about animal husbandry, I'm sure we would have put resources into the study of their methods. When every culture around the world has a story about an ancient and advanced civilization that was destroyed by a flood, it ought to be taken seriously. I'm not saying it should be taken "literally", just taken seriously. We should do a little digging before we make the judgment that it's a complete work of fiction.
It is difficult ot believe what is nto having a proff
| yagnyavalkya wrote: |
| It is difficult ot believe what is nto having a proff |
Here’s how I see it, Plato in his time was a respectable and creditable Philosopher and he was given this title because of his qualifications and integrity. If Plato were alive today and he wrote about a place that everyone had no idea existed he would be known as a fake. I have no doubt people in his time new of such a place as Atlantis or they too would dismiss his account as nothing but hallucinations. As most historical accounts do pan out Atlantis is a story no one can connect the dots to and confirm without doubt. I believe it did exist or we wouldn’t know of it today after so many years.
| ortie10 wrote: |
| Here’s how I see it, Plato in his time was a respectable and creditable Philosopher and he was given this title because of his qualifications and integrity. If Plato were alive today and he wrote about a place that everyone had no idea existed he would be known as a fake. I have no doubt people in his time new of such a place as Atlantis or they too would dismiss his account as nothing but hallucinations. As most historical accounts do pan out Atlantis is a story no one can connect the dots to and confirm without doubt. I believe it did exist or we wouldn’t know of it today after so many years. |
As a sidenote, I have been thinking about it lately that we always have this notion that civilization started at zero a number of centuries ago, and then progressed through the years to our current state, which is far-advanced from zero. But I wonder whether some of the civilizations in the much earlier years, before Christ, could have been much more advanced than we are today.
One is forced to go by the records in History
While the theory is really cool, I highly doubt there would such an underwater city lost, as we would of found it by now. It also doesn't make sense and there's completely no evidence so...
Though the Bermuda Triangle link to the Altantis does give some support to it, I don't believe it.
Though the Bermuda Triangle link to the Altantis does give some support to it, I don't believe it.
| deanhills wrote: | ||
As a sidenote, I have been thinking about it lately that we always have this notion that civilization started at zero a number of centuries ago, and then progressed through the years to our current state, which is far-advanced from zero. But I wonder whether some of the civilizations in the much earlier years, before Christ, could have been much more advanced than we are today. |
Maybe Atlantis was passed on to us as a beckon of recognition to that very point you made. We owe everything to civilizations of the past. Anyone who has the slightest insight in how important history is would know this. In retrospect then maybe Atlantis was made up for that sole reason, to enlighten future civilizations of how much humanity has accomplished in the past of what could be forgotten today. If this was the purpose of the accounts documented then it would makes sense that it was accepted in that time. However, I doubt it was made up but rather Atlantis is either undiscovered or partially discovered without absolute scientific proof. It’s a puzzle that is coming together slowly, one day all the necessary resources and historical documentation will be available to close the chapter on Atlantis and make it a part of literal history.
Atlantis has always been a favorite legend of mine. It's become a subject of the novels I am writing/publishing--a fantasy/sci-fi trilogy that ends with Atlantis' destruction in 9718 B.C. The general premise being an age of legends where many creatures of myth and folklore were real, and knowledge of hyperdimensional sciences (a.k.a. Magic) was tapped by forces malevolent and benign.
In reality, I believe there may be several different civilizations to vanish without a trace for various cataclysmic reasons. In the early Bronze Age, certain disasters could very well do such things without leaving a trace. Perhaps some tales were all left behind of these places, and the stories were embellished upon as they passed hands.
In reality, I believe there may be several different civilizations to vanish without a trace for various cataclysmic reasons. In the early Bronze Age, certain disasters could very well do such things without leaving a trace. Perhaps some tales were all left behind of these places, and the stories were embellished upon as they passed hands.
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