"Radical" Islamic Muslims; Please Read

Billy Hill

I just want to clear something to you people. Some of you, not to point names, but you know who you are, have been saying that I have been saying Muslims are fine but Islamic Muslims are immoral.

I want you to understand that THAT STATEMENT IS BULLSHIT.

Look, Islam is the name of the religion Muslims follow. Christianity is the religion Christians follow. Judaism is the religion Jews follow. Hinduism is the religion Hindus follow, and so on and so forth.

A Radical Islamic Muslim is someone who follows facist Islam, the religion of Radical Muslims. It's like saying there's a difference between Radical Christians and Radical Christians who follow Christianity. See how it makes no sense? Same idea.

Seriously, not to make fun of Half-Pint Princess, but as I've said many times here (if you'd care to read), the (so-called and self-proclaimed) majority of Islamic Muslims are not Radical. Hence the difference between Muslims/Islamic Muslims/Islamics and RIMs/Radical Islamic Muslims/Islamo-fascists/terrorists. But the similarities, between the RIMs and the so-called moderates in areas like cartoons and naming your teddy bear, are frightening.

Bikerman · Last edited by Bikerman on Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:42 am; edited 1 time in total

liljp617

No one cares about your random justifications for prejudice and xenophobia. Preach to people who think like yourself...those with extremely narrow views of reality.

Klaw 2

HalfBloodPrince

Billy Hill

You're right, Chris... all those comments came shortly after people started using the same tone about other groups. I often respond in kind, and I shouldn't. I'm sorry. If you look further back in my posts, you'll clearly find a definition between Islam and Radical Islam. I will make sure I return to the habit of making that clear and obvious distinction. Again, I'm sorry for letting it get out of hand, and thanks for pointing it out.

And HBP, My apologies for calling you names. That was completely uncalled for, even though most times your attitude is condescending and rude.

:edit: and no, none of the mods have talked to me or PM'd me, I'm apologizing because I know the personal attacks were wrong even though they go both ways and I personally won't do it any more unless clearly provoked, and I'll do that with the report button.

Soulfire

I think the word "Islamist" is used to designate the political/religious hybrid of extreme Islam. It's important to clearly define our enemy -- are we attacking Muslims or Islamists? I think our intent is to attack the Islamists (i.e. people who threaten our core values and want to see the world in an Islamic state regardless of consequence), but it is looking like we are attacking a religion. This is simply not the case.

HalfBloodPrince

I beg to differ. Imagine a man robs a store in America. This man is Christian/Hindu/Atheist/whatever. Newspaper headlines: MAN ROBS BANK - STEALS $750,000

Now lets say it was a Muslim man who did this exact same thing. Newspaper headlines: MUSLIM MAN ROBS BANK - Connections with Al Queida unconfirmed

Am I wrong?

Billy Hill

HalfBloodPrince

Billy Hill

HalfBloodPrince

Shooting a school full of children is by far one of the worst things any human can do, but I ask, what does have to do with Islamists? They are in a Muslim country, but what does it have to do with Islamists? What makes it different than two American teenagers walking into their school and shooting people?

Arnie

The difference is when they say they're doing it for Islam and when many Muslims fail to publically, openly condemn it. I've seen that happen, sadly. But saying that all Muslims agree with the terrorists is very wrong and generalising. If you're going to protest against injustice you have to make sure your arguments are correct.

However it's equally wrong to respond to such false claims with a ban of all Islam criticism. I've seen people who scrutinize everything with a harsh scientific view suddenly be soft on Islam because any criticism, valid or invalid, gets attacked. Or because they themselves are led to believe that criticism of Islam is never acceptable.

That's also wrong. But easy to get away with: because there are so many people throwing invalid criticism, you can shove the ones that are right under the same category and make them lose credibility. I bet many even do that unconsciously: after having seen many false arguments, they stop thinking and just see "another Islam basher who can't be right" - let's bash back!

So yeah, it doesn't surprise me that confusion arises as is (supposed to be) the topic of this thread. Note however that I haven't taken any stand for any party here. Just because I don't attack and condemn every Islam criticizer I see, doesn't mean I agree with them. It also doesn't mean I don't.

Billy Hill

Arnie

Well FYI, I'm not amused with the picture at all, but don't worry you won't get death threats from me.

HalfBloodPrince

Me neither. Now you say, why aren't we on the streets denouncing it? Well, quite frankly, it isn't really smart. It's dangerous, even stupid.

Billy Hill

HalfBloodPrince

So...because I am an ordinary man who does not wish to get himself involved with mad-men equipped with bombs, guns, tanks, and missiles, I am automatically one of them?

Billy Hill

HalfBloodPrince

And that isn't what I've been trying to do for months on this forum?

Billy Hill

HalfBloodPrince

Bryan_Bezzle

Bobby Hill wont you understand YOU are YOU and not any other man. You cannot dictate what other men say feel or do. To sit aside and decry Muslims need to step up is as useless as you sitting in your computer chair telling other people to do what you feel needs to be done. Read that twice for they are the same. Badmouthing a religion on a message board will get your ideals nowhere. If you feel Muslim men and women need to step up and make changes, then you yourself take that step. Otherwise your ramblings are nonsense.

Billy Hill

HalfBloodPrince

Billy Hill

tidruG

User banned. Topic -closed-. End of story.