Atheists do not believe that there is someone supreme above him
GOD does not believe that there is soemone supreme above him
Is GOD an atheist
GOD does not believe that there is soemone supreme above him
Is GOD an atheist
Is the christian GOD an atheist?
With this definition of atheist: yes.
But the more common definition is something like this:
In that case: no.
But the more common definition is something like this:
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Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods or rejects theism. |
In that case: no.
Since God (if ever) does not need any worshiping and all things are God -> that makes God an Atheist in a way -> but denial along with atheism is not what God is!
| redhakaw wrote: |
| Atheists do not believe that there is someone supreme above him
GOD does not believe that there is soemone supreme above him Is GOD an atheist |
Atheism is the belief that there is no divine being or beings that are in greater power.
God cannot be placed in any of the categories of belief (e.g. atheism, theism), because God IS the divine being.
| loyal wrote: |
| God cannot be placed in any of the categories of belief (e.g. atheism, theism), because God IS the divine being. |
Um, care to prove God exists anywhere except in the mind?
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Um, care to prove God exists anywhere except in the mind? |
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God Noun 1. The supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions. |
Thus, God IS the divine being. By definition. Whether God does or does not exist has nothing to do with it. Just like extraterrestrial life comes from another planet, regardless of whether extraterrestrial life exists or not.
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Um, care to prove God exists anywhere except in the mind? |
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Thus, God IS the divine being. By definition. Whether God does or does not exist has nothing to do with it. Just like extraterrestrial life comes from another planet, regardless of whether extraterrestrial life exists or not. |
I didn't think so.
As usual, there are numerous false definitions of "atheist" being tossed around.
The only one close to correct is:
But that definition is of philosophical Atheism (Atheism with a big "A", if you prefer), not regular atheism (atheism with a small "a").
The other definitions:
These are wrong.
An atheist is anyone that does not believe in the existence of a god or gods.
If God (the Judaistic god) exists, then he could not be an atheist so long as he believed he himself existed, and that he is a god. Proving that he exists to himself is as easy as the Cartesian cogito ("i think, therefore i am"). So the only question that remains is does he believe that he is a god?
If we're talking about the Judaistic god, and if he agrees with his portrayal in any of the Judaistic religious texts, then he's quite assuredly certain that he is a god. Therefore, he's not an atheist.
The only one close to correct is:
| MrBlueSky wrote: | ||
| With this definition of atheist: yes.
But the more common definition is something like this:
In that case: no. |
But that definition is of philosophical Atheism (Atheism with a big "A", if you prefer), not regular atheism (atheism with a small "a").
The other definitions:
| loyal wrote: |
| Atheism is the belief that there is no divine being or beings that are in greater power. |
| redhakaw wrote: |
| Atheists do not believe that there is someone supreme above him |
These are wrong.
An atheist is anyone that does not believe in the existence of a god or gods.
If God (the Judaistic god) exists, then he could not be an atheist so long as he believed he himself existed, and that he is a god. Proving that he exists to himself is as easy as the Cartesian cogito ("i think, therefore i am"). So the only question that remains is does he believe that he is a god?
If we're talking about the Judaistic god, and if he agrees with his portrayal in any of the Judaistic religious texts, then he's quite assuredly certain that he is a god. Therefore, he's not an atheist.
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Um, care to prove God exists anywhere except in the mind? |
I think that this post is assuming that God exists. If we were assuming that God didn't exist, or debating if he did, then this entire topic would be useless.
| Billy Hill wrote: | ||
Um, care to prove God exists anywhere except in the mind? |
I wasn't arguing for God's existence. I was simply assuming, for the sake of discussion, that He does exist. I'm not discussing if God exists or not. I'm simply saying what God's position is, in relation to the question of whether He is an atheist or not.
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The other definitions: loyal wrote: Atheism is the belief that there is no divine being or beings that are in greater power. redhakaw wrote: Atheists do not believe that there is someone supreme above him These are wrong. An atheist is anyone that does not believe in the existence of a god or gods. |
With the exception of power, how is redhakaw's and my definition any different to yours, hence making it wrong?
Peace.
Yipee. This is going to become another "God isn't real. Yes is. No he isn't. Yu-huh! Nu-uh!" topic.
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With the exception of power, how is redhakaw's and my definition any different to yours, hence making it wrong? |
This has been covered several times.
Dropping the last part ("atheism is the belief that there are no beings in greater power"... so atheists do not believe in government?), you're left with "atheism is the belief that there is no divine being". That is not the same as "atheism is the lack of belief in a divine being".
Right: Atheists do not believe there is a god.
Wrong: Atheists believe there is no god.
Another example to show the difference:
Right: You do not know there is a stapler on my desk.
Wrong: You know there is no stapler on my desk.
See it now?
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
| Yipee. This is going to become another "God isn't real. Yes is. No he isn't. Yu-huh! Nu-uh!" topic. |
Only if you make it so. Only one person has brought up the question of whether God is real or not, and he has already been dismissed.
Right: Billy asked for proof that there is a God
Wrong: Billy doesn't believe there is a God
Wrong: Billy believes there is no God
See the difference?
Wrong: Billy doesn't believe there is a God
Wrong: Billy believes there is no God
See the difference?
Wait...I thought you were Christian? You don't believe in God? I'm confused 
I don't know.. I think Billy Hill just likes to stir things up.
Anyways, I agree that God wouldn't be an atheist, he would undoubtedly know of his own existence.
Anyways, I agree that God wouldn't be an atheist, he would undoubtedly know of his own existence.
| redhakaw wrote: |
| Atheists do not believe that there is someone supreme above him
GOD does not believe that there is soemone supreme above him Is GOD an atheist |
No, the definition of atheist is one who does not believe in dieties.
So God would have to not believe in himself for the statement you said to be true.
Hmmm. For God to be aware of himself (presuming for the sake of argument that there is such a thing) then he would need to be conscious. Could we imagine an unthinking, unfeeling Deity which, though extremely powerful had no self-awareness? What do you think?
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
| Wait...I thought you were Christian? You don't believe in God? I'm confused |
English isn't your first language, is it?
As for Assumptions, well, you know where they get you. I suggest you go back and re-read what I wrote. Perhaps sound it out if it will help.
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English isn't your first language, is it? As for Assumptions, well, you know where they get you. I suggest you go back and re-read what I wrote. Perhaps sound it out if it will help. |
Who do you think you are? I can guarantee you that I know English a lot better than you do. I really suggest you stop bashing people and making yourself look all high-and-mighty on an internet forum. I can really tell that logic isn't your first language, according to your "z0mg isl4m is teh sux0rz lo0ll!!!!!!111/1/1!!!!" approach to everything.
I also saw the edit you made to my wiki and didn't find it funny at all.
| redhakaw wrote: |
| Atheists do not believe that there is someone supreme above him
GOD does not believe that there is soemone supreme above him Is GOD an atheist |
YOur argument is totally invalid.
What u are saying is apples are not oranges
So watermelons are not oranges.
IS a watermelon an apple?
U seee what I am pointing out for u?
I normally ask this question to distinguish those who are knowledgable of topics concerning atheism.
It's good that a lot of people (especially the regualr ones) answered this question.
thanks for answering, guys
It's good that a lot of people (especially the regualr ones) answered this question.
thanks for answering, guys
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