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Israel: Cruelty





HalfBloodPrince
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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Gaza City was plunged into darkness Sunday after Israel blocked the shipment of fuel that powers its only electrical plant in retaliation for persistent rocket attacks by Gaza militants.
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The power cut sent already beleaguered Gazans to stock up on food and batteries in anticipation of dark, cold days ahead. Gaza officials warned the move would cause a health catastrophe while a U.N. agency and human rights groups condemned Israel.

"We have the choice to either cut electricity on babies in the maternity ward or heart surgery patients or stop operating rooms," Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said.

Four hours after the blackout, Hamas claimed that five patients died because of the cutoff of electricity in hospitals. The claim could not be confirmed.

Late Sunday, Israel carried out two airstrikes in Gaza City, Palestinian security officials said. The Israeli military confirmed both attacks in which a militant linked to Islamic Jihad was killed.

Israel justified the fuel cutoff because of continuous rocket attacks by Gaza militants. Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Arye Meckel said the Gaza Strip continues to receive 70 percent of its electricity supply directly from Israel, which would not be affected, and another 5 percent from Egypt.

The blackout "is a Hamas ploy to pretend there is some kind of crisis to attract international sympathy," Meckel told The Associated Press.

Late Sunday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas appealed to Israel to lift the blockade, said Abbas spokesman Nabil Abu Rdeneh. Abbas effectively rules only the West Bank after Hamas expelled his forces from Gaza last June.

The exiled leader of Hamas appealed to Abbas and Arab leaders, asking them to forget their differences and help the beleaguered Gazans.

"All Arab leaders, exercise real pressure to stop this Zionist crime ... take up your role and responsibility," Khaled Mashaal told Al-Jazeera satellite TV in a live interview from Syria, where he lives in exile. "We are not asking you to wage a military war against Israel ... but just stand with us in pride and honor."

Officials from the ruling Islamic militant group Hamas shut down the plant just before 8 p.m. and Gaza City went dark, Gaza Energy Authority head Kanan Obeid said. TV crews and reporters were invited to witness the shutdown.

Minutes later, residents started a candlelight march as a protest. Live Associated Press TV pictures showed dots of light moving slowly up a darkened main street.

Israel has blockaded Gaza for seven months, since the Islamic militant Hamas overran the territory, allowing up until now only basic food items and humanitarian supplies into Gaza.

That changed Thursday when Defense Minister Ehud Barak ordered all crossings into Gaza closed because of a spike in rocket barrages, cutting off fuel supplies. Several weeks ago, Israel reduced the fuel supply as a pressure tactic.

A defiant Hamas said its attacks on Israel would not cease because of the sanctions.

"We will not raise the white flag, and we will not surrender, " Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said Sunday.

The regular fuel shipment from Israel did not arrive Sunday because the fuel terminal was closed, and the power plant has almost no reserves, said Rafik Maliha, director of the power plant.

The U.N. organization in charge of Palestinian refugees warned the blockade would drastically affect hospitals, sewage treatment and water facilities.

"The logic of this defies basic humanitarian standards," said Christopher Gunness, spokesman for the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, or UNRWA.

The British group Oxfam called Israel's cutoff "ineffective as well as unlawful." Gisha, an Israeli group that has fought the fuel cutbacks in Israel's Supreme Court, said: "Punishing Gaza's 1.5 million civilians does not stop the rocket fire. It only creates an impossible 'balance' of human suffering on both sides of the border."

Israeli Cabinet minister Zeev Boim said that rather than condemning Israel, the U.N. should condemn Palestinian militants for firing rocket barrages at Israel.

"I don't hear the U.N.'s voice," Boim said.

Meanwhile, Gaza City residents were busy buying up batteries and candles, as well as basic foods such as rice, flour and cooking oil, said grocery store owner Sami Mousa. More would be doing the same, he said, but "the problem is that the people don't have the money to buy."

Bakeries stopped operating because they had neither power nor flour, bakers said.

The Hamas-linked Popular Resistance Committees threatened to break the blockade by crashing through the border with Egypt "by force."

There were no signs of panic, as Gazans have been living with fuel cutbacks, power outages and shortages since Islamic Hamas militants overran the seaside territory in June, triggering international sanctions.

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005, but many see Israel as still responsible, since it controls most land, sea and air access to the territory.

Alon Ben-David, military analyst for Israel's Channel 10 TV, said Israel could not maintain the blockade for more than a few days.

"Israel understands that a humanitarian crisis is developing here," he said.

Four rockets exploded in Israel throughout the day, a significant drop from the level of last week. The military said since last Tuesday, the start of the escalation, more than 200 rockets and mortars hit Israel.

There have been no serious injuries over the past week, but residents of the Israeli towns have been traumatized by months of daily salvos.

Addressing the annual Herzliya Conference on security, the Israeli military commander, Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, said his forces have exacted "a heavy toll" from the militants, but he acknowledged a solution to the rocket fire is not near.

"Even if it takes time, the goal will be achieved," he pledged.


Note the bold areas.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080120/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians
ThePolemistis
If anyone with knowledge on the Middle Eastern situation, they will understand that the establishment of Israel in the form it is today ie. an Apertheid state, is the main impetus for the instability witnessed in the Middle East, along of course with the sykes-picot agreement.

Israel has violated more UN resolutions than any other country in the world. The Palestinians have a right to a homeland, and so do the Jews. But the creation of Israel was not SOLELY because of the horrors witnessed on the aftermath of WW2. Rather it was a linked with anti-semetism and pro-zionism from within the British government, under which therefore, it was subsequently wrong to be established.
coolclay
Aww, poor innocent Palestinians. Maybe they should try to stop and condemn the rocket, and mortar attacks on civilians, the suicide bombings of civilians, and maybe just maybe, just stop fighting this useless "war" and realize that the people they are killing are people too.

I blame both sides equally for anything that goes on over there. They both are at fault for being stupid, and killing each other. Israel at least fights fairly, with restrictions, blockades, and other forms of "less-lethal" force, while Palestinian terrorists, oh I mean militants, blow up, rocket, and mortar civilians, nearly everyday.
Kelvin
It is sad that the palestinian citizens have to suffer the consequence of their own militants. However they have outright denied the right for Israel to exist and and have sworn to annihiliate Israel. Only then will there be peace in the Middle East. Ya right.... they can't even be at peace with their own 'brothers in arms'. So does this give the right for Israel to defend itself? Sure. For crying out loud, if you don't go around poking people with a knife.. do you think you will ever get a good bashing in return? It has to do with the constant provocation... in which case this rat is trying to nibble on the cat's tail.

Does it ever occur in their minds that every action taken comes with a reaction. As such, every attack they carry out on Israel will only create further suffering for the Gaza people. The end result of every war is destruction. It's inevitable.
PMK-Bear
It's the stereotypical american foreign policy, again applied to the middle east, and again showing to be a glaring failure. Since Israel is USAs eye of sauron in the region, this crap was even expectable from them.

You don't stop terrorism causing it. Really, you don't.
HalfBloodPrince
coolclay wrote:
Israel at least fights fairly, with restrictions, blockades, and other forms of "less-lethal" force


Yes, so let's cut off the power from a maternity ward and let all the babies die? How about cutting off all power from an emergency ward, so that innocent people on life-support can die?

Very fair indeed.
MaxStirner
In the near future, I see no solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Too many people, organizations and states making too many unfulfillable demands based on historic, religious, cultural or economic grounds. Too much blood has been spilled and too many are counting the dead vowing revenge ... and above all, too many outside interests supplying all sides with diplomatic, economic and military ammunition. Worst of all is not that 3rd party interests offer totally differing solutions to the conflict, but that some are quite content with the status quo and their agenda is limited to simply pouring oil into the fire.
One very slight hope in the decades to come, could be some sort of grass-roots movement on both sides of the border that could, in time, help both sides to approach the other ever so slightly, but although there are examples of such cooperations on a micro-scale, I'm still very pessimistic. Brick wall
ThePolemistis
coolclay wrote:
Aww, poor innocent Palestinians. Maybe they should try to stop and condemn the rocket, and mortar attacks on civilians, the suicide bombings of civilians, and maybe just maybe, just stop fighting this useless "war" and realize that the people they are killing are people too.

I blame both sides equally for anything that goes on over there. They both are at fault for being stupid, and killing each other. Israel at least fights fairly, with restrictions, blockades, and other forms of "less-lethal" force, while Palestinian terrorists, oh I mean militants, blow up, rocket, and mortar civilians, nearly everyday.


How does Israel fight fairly? Israel uses uranium-impleaded bullets against the Palestinians. Israel is forcing the Palestinians into ghettos through building an apertheid wall, much like what the Nazis did to the Jews, the jews (politically correct, Israel), is doing to the Palestinians.

and FYI: Israel has killed 7 times more Palestinian children than the Palestinians have killed Israeli children.
MaxStirner
[quote="ThePolemistis"]
coolclay wrote:
... Israel has killed 7 times more Palestinian children than the Palestinians have killed Israeli children.

imho: The first, but by no means the only prerequisite for a first step towards peace is to stop counting the dead and start looking forwards.
ThePolemistis
MaxStirner wrote:
ThePolemistis wrote:
Israel has killed 7 times more Palestinian children than the Palestinians have killed Israeli children.

imho: The first, but by no means the only prerequisite for a first step towards peace is to stop counting the dead and start looking forwards.


Forgive by all means of course, but never forget!!
coolclay
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Yes, so let's cut off the power from a maternity ward and let all the babies die? How about cutting off all power from an emergency ward, so that innocent people on life-support can die?

Very fair indeed.


And blowing yourself up in the middle of a market, where people are shopping is much better. I told you both sides are at fault END OF STORY.

This will never end and it's not even worth debating with ignorant people like you who think it's all Israel's fault or all Palestine's fault.

It's not like Israel is specifically targeting little babies, and sick people and trying to kill them, whereas Hamas specifically walks into the middle of a crowded market with kids, adults, and who know who else, and detonates a bomb or randomly launches rockets into neighborhoods.
PMK-Bear
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And blowing yourself up in the middle of a market, where people are shopping is much better. I told you both sides are at fault END OF STORY.

Yeah, like protozionists did on the king david hotel, al abbasya, balad al sheij, or when they blown the SS Struma, or when (once the state of Israel was already latched atop the English palestinian domains) the Tel Litvinsky camp was attacked by Irgun, or like Deir Yassin. Come on, it's not like Israelis behaved in exemplar civility when trying to carve their own country. And that without mentioning when Israel developed nuclear capacity behind the UN's back, practically screaming about the illegitimacy of any future use on warfare.

Putting all the potty throwing aside, it's EVIDENT that if you fully blockade any given territory, cut its food and power supplies, you are doing it without giving a crap about any of the consequences, and actually EXPECTING this to happen. You can't claim innocence and encourage this type of measures at the same time.

"END OF STORY" hahahah... consider photoshopping a moderator's badge as avatar for the next time.

Oh, I forgot. There's a book that might help all you curious people to begin understanding this conflict. It's called "The Real Terror Network: Terrorism in Fact and Propaganda" (www.amazon.com/Real-Terror-Network-Terrorism-Propaganda/dp/0896081346). Although the author is a dick, the book is really interesting.
dopller
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HalfBloodPrince
dopller wrote:
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palavra
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A hospital worker shows journalists the bodies of four children after their house was shelled in the northern Gaza Strip on Monday.



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Israeli fire hit a house in the Gaza Strip on Monday while a family was eating breakfast, killing six Palestinians, including four children and their mother, residents and medical officials said, raising the big question: When will the massacre of innocent civilians, mostly women and children, by Israeli forces end?



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"There are several versions of this event which are being investigated," Maj. Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman said about the deaths in the house.



I wonder israel really investigate this kind of crimes or only talking.
liljp617
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Here is a list of UN Resolutions

1955-1992:

* Resolution 106: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"

* Resolution 111: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"

* Resolution 127: ". . . 'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"

* Resolution 162: ". . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"

* Resolution 171: ". . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"

* Resolution 228: ". . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"

* Resolution 237: ". . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"

* Resolution 248: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"

* Resolution 250: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"

* Resolution 251: ". . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"

* Resolution 252: ". . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"

* Resolution 256: ". . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation""

* Resolution 259: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"

* Resolution 262: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"

* Resolution 265: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"

* Resolution 267: ". . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"

* Resolution 270: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon" * Resolution 271: ". . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"

* Resolution 279: ". . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"

* Resolution 280: ". . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"

* Resolution 285: ". . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"

* Resolution 298: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"

* Resolution 313: ". . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"

* Resolution 316: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"

* Resolution 317: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"

* Resolution 332: ". . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"

* Resolution 337: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"

* Resolution 347: ". . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"

* Resolution 425: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"

* Resolution 427: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'

* Resolution 444: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"

* Resolution 446: ". . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"

* Resolution 450: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"

* Resolution 452: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"

* Resolution 465: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"

* Resolution 467: ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"

* Resolution 468: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"

* Resolution 469: ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"

* Resolution 471: ". . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"

* Resolution 476: ". . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"

* Resolution 478: ". . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"

* Resolution 484: ". . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"

* Resolution 487: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"

* Resolution 497: ". . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith"

* Resolution 498: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"

* Resolution 501: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"

* Resolution 509: ". . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"

* Resolution 515: ". . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"

* Resolution 517: ". . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"

* Resolution 518: ". . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"

* Resolution 520: ". . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"

* Resolution 573: ". . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters

* Resolution 587: ". . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"

* Resolution 592: ". . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"

* Resolution 605: ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians

* Resolution 607: ". . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention

* Resolution 608: ". . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"

* Resolution 636: ". . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians

* Resolution 641: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians

* Resolution 672: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount

* Resolution 673: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations

* Resolution 681: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians

* Resolution 694: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return

* Resolution 726: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians

* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

(taken from the above-mentioned title, pages 188 - 192)

THE FOLLOWING ARE THE RESOLUTIONS VETOED BY THE UNITED STATES DURING THE PERIOD OF SEPTEMBER, 1972, TO MAY, 1990 TO PROTECT ISRAEL FROM COUNCIL CRITICISM:

* . . . condemned Israel's attack against Southern Lebanon and Syria..."

* . . . affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections. . . "

* . . . condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians. . . "

* . . . called for self-determination of Palestinian people. . . "

* . . deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations . . . "

* . . . affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people . . . "

* . . . endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people . . . "

* . . . demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights . . . "

* . . . condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations.

* . . . condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. . . "

* . . . urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon ... "

* . . . urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut. . . "

* . . . urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon. . . "

* . . . condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace. . . "

* . . . deplores Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal. . . "

* . . . condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression. . . "

* . . . denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites. . . "

* . . . condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon. . . "

* . . . called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations. . . "

* . . . urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices. . . "

* . . . condemned Israel's . . incursion into Lebanon. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's . . . commando raids on Lebanon. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians. . . "

* . . . demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian intifada . . . "

* . . . called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands. . . "


http://christianparty.net/israelunresolutions.htm




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U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact
Summary

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240


http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm


Complete joke.


coolclay wrote:
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Yes, so let's cut off the power from a maternity ward and let all the babies die? How about cutting off all power from an emergency ward, so that innocent people on life-support can die?

Very fair indeed.


And blowing yourself up in the middle of a market, where people are shopping is much better. I told you both sides are at fault END OF STORY.

This will never end and it's not even worth debating with ignorant people like you who think it's all Israel's fault or all Palestine's fault.

It's not like Israel is specifically targeting little babies, and sick people and trying to kill them, whereas Hamas specifically walks into the middle of a crowded market with kids, adults, and who know who else, and detonates a bomb or randomly launches rockets into neighborhoods.

I believe you're missing the overall point. The point is, Israel commits the exact same acts of brutal murder and violence the Palestinians do. Yet Israel is "just defending themselves" and receives more aid/defense from the US than any country to this day. They've also broken and continue to break the most UN resolutions and regulations of any country today.

Yet the Palestinians are painted as nothing but mindless, brutal murderers who eat children and are nothing but insane terrorists. Their land was stolen by mass immigration as a result of WWII...something the Palestinians had nothing to do with. The Palestinians were forced out of their homes and their homes were bulldozed as if nothing wrong was occurring. Yet, they're in the wrong for trying to regain their blatantly stolen land? Defending Israel is like defending the US (and others) for destroying the Native American population.

I don't think many people will say suicide bombing is the answer...but what exactly are their options? No matter what they do, they're portrayed as crazy radicals who wish nothing but to murder innocent people. No matter what they do, the US (and in effect, the West) defends Israel in basically any situation regardless.


By the way: Before saying Israel fights fair, please actually read past the pro-Israel propaganda. That's one of the most outrageous statements I've seen in a long time.
riyadh
if israel continues like this, then they deserve all the rocket attacks that they are receiving.they are the most hypocritical of countries in this world.what kind of retaliation is this?cutting off fuel supply so that thousands of people have to suffer.if it was the other way round it would be deemed human rights violation immediately.may israel rot in hell one day!!!
Indyan
How can a country behave like this? Its almost like they have 8 year old kids in power.
Cutting of power is an extremely severe measure than will affect the common people who have nothing to do with poilitics. The big politicians would hardly be affected as they probably have a separate dedicated powerstation for themselves.
Moonspider
Does not Hamas consider themselves to be in a state of war with Israel?
coolclay
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I don't think many people will say suicide bombing is the answer...but what exactly are their options? No matter what they do, they're portrayed as crazy radicals who wish nothing but to murder innocent people.


But many do. Especially those doing it.

Options other than blowing up innocent people are

A. work together towards peace
B. Looking past the differences, and hatred towards one another and see that both citizens are in the same predicament.
C. Realize that more killing certainly won't help anything

Sometimes I think both countries are ruled by children!

They blew this up so we have to get back at them by blowing this up. What childishness!
liljp617
coolclay wrote:
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I don't think many people will say suicide bombing is the answer...but what exactly are their options? No matter what they do, they're portrayed as crazy radicals who wish nothing but to murder innocent people.


But many do. Especially those doing it.

Options other than blowing up innocent people are

A. work together towards peace
B. Looking past the differences, and hatred towards one another and see that both citizens are in the same predicament.
C. Realize that more killing certainly won't help anything

Sometimes I think both countries are ruled by children!

They blew this up so we have to get back at them by blowing this up. What childishness!

What you fail to realize is all these things have been attempted and they're basically ignored and are continued to be portrayed as radicals who were born to eat children. There is no peace. Their land was stolen right in their face. Their homes were bulldozed and they were told to leave.

Here's a nice little time line:

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c. 1900-1800 BC - Abraham leaves the town of Ur in Mesopotamia(Iraq- Sumer) for the "promised land." First mention of a "covenant" with God. Begins early Hebrew religion. Abraham now noted as the "father" of the three monotheistic religions. Settles in Canaan(Modern Day Israel)

c. 1700-1500 BC - Droughts force the pastoral Hebrews to relocate in Egypt. They become a large enough group in Lower Egypt to gain the notice of a pharaoh who enslaves them so they don't become a threat. (According to the Torah.)

c. 1280-1200 BC - Moses leads Hebrews out of slavery in Egypt. Fleeing from Ramses across the REED Sea(not Red in the Hebrew, only the mistranslated Greek) then cross through Moab, Sinai, and Midian on the Exodus looking for the "promised land." Moses receives the ten commandments and tells the Hebrews of his promise with God - to live in Israel - the promised land. (According to the Torah)

c. 1020 BC - Saul becomes first King of Israel, he is unable to win in warfare against the Philistines(hmmm????)

c. 1000 BC - David (slayer of Goliath) becomes King and begins to wage warfare in the name of "God," he is very successful in destroying the people who live in the region. Which, by the way, was a very fertile coastal plain in an otherwise barren land. Still, perhaps the choicest property in the Middle East.

c. 950 BC - Solomon (David's son) builds the Temple in Jerusalem. Known for his wisdom and taxes.

c. 920 BC - Solomon's death leads to revolt of people being heavily taxed. Northern part of Israel becomes "Israel", southern part becomes "Judah" (which is where the term Judaism and Jew comes from)

c. 720 BC - Assyria conquers Israel, leads many Israelites back to Mesopotamia in chains, those that aren't killed on the battlefield. The Assyrians were particularly deadly.

c. 587 BC - Babylonia under Nebuchadnezzar conquers Judah temple of Solomon is destroyed, Jews sent into Babylonian Exile. This is when the Torah(1st five books of the Bible - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) are written down by a scribe named Ezra. He returned to Israel in the 400's BC. Beginning of Jewish Diaspora.

c. 540-520 BC - Cyrus the Great of Persia allows Jews to return to Israel, but they were not allowed to govern themselves. Second temple built.

c. 180's BC - Hellenistic rulers from Syria take over and force Jews to believe in Greek Gods. The Maccabees revolt and redidicate the temple in Jerusalem. Hanukkah celebrates revolt in 164 BC.

c. 65-60 BC - Pompey (Roman general) conquers Israel. Second temple destroyed.

c. 35 BC - Herod rebuilds second temple

c. 4 BC-30 AD - life of Jesus

66-70 AD - Jewish revolt - capture of Jerusalem - temple destroyed (wailing/western wall is all that remains.) Jews are no longer permitted in Jerusalem. Second wave of diaspora.

c. 570-632 - life of Mohammed

638 Arabs conquer Jerusalem. Third and final wave of diaspora - Jews leave Israel and settle in other locales.

1930's-1940's - Jews begin to flee Nazi persecution in Europe and resettle in Palestine.

1948 - Israel becomes a state, displacing an entire people to move new migrants in. This is done with the help of the US, Europe and Britain. The Israelis evicted Palestinians from their houses and even to this day hoard their personal items confiscated over fifty years ago.

1949 - present - Jews continue to migrate to Israel and most do not recognize any claim by Palestinians. The Palestinians are treated as second class citizens, and the rule of Israeli law is nearly as bad as South African Apartheid.


(Don't have the original site...it's a quote from another forum).

Only an Israeli/Jew and a blind American can still think Israel is not the transgressor. Up until 48, I blame the Arabs for their stupidity and misfortune. This is because the land was indeed sold, albeit making use of loopholes in a faulty legal system. The Arabs fought this, Israel defended itself. It's a bit unusual for a country defending itself to take over territory (can you name any other war where a country defends itself from attackers and ends up with more land?). Everything since then has been not only intentional on behalf of Israel, but it has been a policy.

Every time the UN attempts to do something, the US veto's it, like in 01, 03, and many, many, many times before. Every time a third party is attempted to be brought in, Israel says no, claiming the area to be unstable. Every time a relief organization (Amnesty International) has attempted to right a wrong, they have been dragged into the conflict (In 01 one relief organization worker was run over by a bulldozer while moving in front of it to stop it from plowing through farm land and homes. The press covered it briefly, all witnesses said it was clearly intentional, the family pressed charges, everything was forcefully dropped.)

Again, what do you want them to do? Surrender and admit their land was stolen, but there's nothing that can be done? What people in their right mind would do something like that? They're backed in a corner being opposed by arguably the strongest military in the Middle East as well as the strongest military in the world. Killing innocent people isn't the answer...that's fairly obvious and nobody is defending that at all.

But put yourself in their shoes: You're a Palestinian, you grew up watching masses of Jewish immigration into your land due to the Holocaust (something you had nothing to do with), you watched them settle, you saw the process of the land being stolen with the help of the US/Europe, you watched your house get bulldozed, and you were told to get out no matter what. And they're the ones that should be attempting to make peace? I think not.

And then when they do attempt to make some sort of statement in terms of peace or they do attempt to have some talk with the Israeli government, they're told they're in the wrong, that Israel was merely defending itself, that what Israel does (which is identical to the Palestinians) is rightful military defense of the country. How can there be peace talk when Israel won't even admit they did anything wrong throughout this ENTIRE situation? There won't be peace until the UN, specifically the US, stops sending more aid to Israel than it does Africa. Both sides, in terms of their methods of attacking, are in the wrong. Except one side is deemed okay by the US/UN and the other is portrayed and condemned to be nothing but murderers.
jmlworld
The Middle East conflict doesn't seem to come to an end unless Israel changes her mind. Because, they are playing with a FIRE. They dream to role the Middle East but this tension will lead them to a different route.

I'm not Anti-Semitic, because, they've no foothold here in Africa, but I see the aggressive activities in which the West unfairly watches. Israel never mind of making friends, but instead they create many enemies, but they don't mind that it will come on a day in which everybody will have the Nuclear power.

Many guys here blame Palestinians because they "blow up" in a middle of market. Yes, they do, and that's wrong. But what would you do if someone breaks into your house and denies to withdraw, ignores the international peace calls and blocks all the roads, calls your citizens to "TERRORISTS"? You would use your tinny power to make them feel the pain, right?

Israel denied to get back to her internationally recognized borders, that's why Palestinians create blow up in the school yards and kill innocent children and women.

I hope that the Israeli youth will understand the problem as well as the Palestinians, so they would create a better place to live. This may not happen in this decade, though. Because, Israel is not alone in the mission. However, it may happen sometime in the next decade, when all the outsiders retire or fade.

I wish it'll come with peace, not with a WW3.

My last word: Everyone has a time...
deanhills
jmlworld wrote:
The Middle East conflict doesn't seem to come to an end ...


I think we are probably getting to the stage where we have to define "The Middle East conflict" as there is also the US invasion of Iraq to consider, consequences of which have been cruel in the extreme. (Although I was not completely happy with the US invading Iraq, I am glad that they have a presence in the Middle East, particularly in Afghanistan). What I am saying is the conflict in the Middle East has now become more than just Israel vs Palestine. And cruelty is following the trail of terrorists originating in Palestine everywhere.

To be truthful too, I am sometimes very sceptical of newspaper reporting. It can sometimes be very artfully employed with an element of truth in it, but dressed up for a specific purpose to shock and provoke. I am not saying the article is not true, as obviously I do not know, but I have seen enough of sensationalist reporting and have done courses, enough to know that you need to hear the version of the other side of the story, before you can come to a conclusion.
jmlworld
Absolutely, Israel doesn't have the option to "make friends". Someone else dictates on them for what to do, they're relaying on second party instead of their own mind, and unknowingly, this misled them.

The United States invaded the Middle East for three reasons:
    1. to uproot Saddam Hussein, because he was the only guy who had the magic idea of inspiring the Arab Nations to cease the Oil Supply. And US knew if that happen, it could be their last day on power.
    2. to increase the Middle East tension by empowering Israel to deactivate Iran and Syria (this mission totally failed).
    3. to create religious trouble among the Middle East Muslims, so they'll never unite. This mission made the US create the strongest evil power with their own hands. US wrongfully created Alqaeda with their own hands.


So, we know that Israel and Palestine are not alone in the tension. Arab nations never liked to see the problem being solved, because they hate the US, and this will give the US to take a chance to re-empower again, as the United States doesn't want to let the Middle East alone because Iran and Syria will develop Nuclear weapons, Saddamists will get the chance to reinforce, Taliban will get back for revenge, Osama bin Laden will come back from the dead. All hating US by the actions of Bush and his old father.

But all the above are not an option for both Palestinians and Israelis. They have a chance to safe themselves and create peace inside their homelands, which is:

Israel: "I'm getting back to my Internationally recognized borders, and will terminate all the ILLEGAL settlements in the Palestinian land, I'll never, never invade the Palestinian own land again, but will protect my own borders without blood gush, and I swear, I'll dismiss the US Oil hunting demands."

Palestine: "I accept the cease the FIRE, keep the neighborhood rights, will disarm my rivalries, as my JIHADISTS will never, never go to blow up in the middle of crowdie market or school yard. I swear I'll ignore all the external interests and behave on my own."

Though, its TOO LATE, Israel can withdraw.
myhearing
There is something that i think everybody is missing here. Irrespective of whom the land originally belongs to or who lived on the land etc. The issue here is not one of whether it is a 'jewish' land or a 'muslim' land.

Fact of the matter is, when Israel invaded, Palestinians, (note my use of a nationality and NOT a religion). There were Palestinian Jews AND Muslims living there at the time. The reason for the violence is as a result of the fact that Israel wanted to make the land THERES, using the argument of a supposed divine right to that land. Its well known that before the invasion of Palestine, there was a mass Jewish immigration into the country. Nobody argued and made problems and started killing and bombing. For example, i am not originally from the UK, i came to the country, i live with other people, of other cultures, nationalities, nobody has a problem (generally). However, if i were to come and say this land is MINE, and the whole of the UK is now Christian or Hindu or w/e then people would be outraged. The difference is, i dont have enough power to enforce that belief. If however i did, say like Hitler tried to do, then people would be outraged. It doesnt matter whether Britian was originally a gazillian years ago inhabited by Jews or Hindus or w/e!!
ohindawi
Quote:


Mai Masri's 33 Days
Just got back from watching Mai Masri's 33 days. It was incredible. In general I'm not a big fan of the Toronto Film festival; but I've got to say this was an excellent documentary. The way she portrayed the whole situation was unbelievable. Well the film was good, the comment at the end of the movie though was not.

They brought up some random activist to answer any questions, yet before he did he decided to quote how the Canadian government did not support the Lebanese and instead did nothing. That may be true, but he ruined that unique climax that the movie offered.

This is why we Arabs give out a bad vibe. Bad wording leads to pissed off people.

And plus why the hell should anyone in the world do anything? A country who is independent needs to figure out how to solve its own problems. Countries that now depend on one another have no power or hegemony making them basically a pawn. If their parent country fails then they are pretty much screwed!

Remember: Hitler's dependency on Russia (U.S.S.R) is one of the main reasons for his downfall!

But even though the comment was really bad at the very end, and the dude was booed of the stage, the film was excellent. I recommend it to anyone and everyone to watch. Mai Masri's work was truly amazing, and I can understand why she deserved her past awards.

Here is a quick description of 33 days:
Quoted by the Toronto Palestinian Film Festival:

"33 Days is a documentary about life in Lebanon as it was being bombarded by Israel in July and August 2006. Award winning Palestinian filmmaker Mai Masri follows the efforts of several dedicated humanitarians to keep their communities strong in the midst of destruction. From a woman reporting from the rubble as rockets jet past her, to a young man who keep the neighborhood children entertained with improvised games in a local theatre as bombs fall in the distance. The film is suffused with compassion and humanity - even as it records the devastation of war.



http://theradiblog.blogspot.com/

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sondosia
Hey guys, open your eyes:

Quote:
"The supply of electricity to Gaza from the Israel and the Egyptian power grids (124 Megawatts and 17 Megawatts respectively) has continued uninterrupted. These 141 Megawatts of power represents about three quarters of Gaza's electricity needs.

"While the fuel supply from Israel into Gaza has indeed been reduced, due to the Hamas rocket attacks, the diversion of this fuel from domestic power generators to other uses is wholly a Hamas decision - apparently taken due to media and propaganda considerations.

"Noteworthy is the fact that while the Gaza population remains in the dark, the fuel generating power to the Hamas rocket manufacturing industry continues to flow unabated.

"The Hamas claim of humanitarian crisis in Gaza is also greatly exaggerated. There is no shortage of basic foodstuffs, and Gaza patients who need treatment in Israeli hospitals continue to travel into Israel for care. "


Source: http://www.kadmiel.com/gazapowercut/

Yes, Israel cut off some power. But it's not as simple as you think. In the attempt to show Hamas that firing rockets at Israel is unacceptable, the Israeli government made the decision to reduce power supply to Gaza. Clearly, Hamas seized on this opportunity to falsify and exaggerate matters as usual and make Israel look like the big bad bully once again. So they held candle-lit meetings for the media (despite having enough electricity to turn the lights on, or--get this--open the curtains and let in the sunshine). Hamas kept power for its rocket-making facilities instead of distributing it to hospitals and civilians who desperately needed it. And given all this, why are we still wondering why the Palestianians are faring so badly? Maybe it's the fact that their leaders are terrorists whose stated purpose is to wipe Israel off the map--not to better the lives of their OWN people.

Don't forget that Israel has made every effort to achieve peace. It signed peace treaties such as the Oslo Accords; the Palestinians responded by launching an Intifada a few years later. It destroyed its settlements in Gaza and retreated in order to leave that land for the Palestinians. Israel allows every Palestinian who needs medical care to use its hospitals, and Israel's army does ground rather than air strikes--at greater risk to its own soldiers--to avoid the possibility of harming Palestinian civilians. Israel provides money to finance Palestinian schools and educate Palestinian children. No, Israel hasn't been perfect. It has made mistakes. But what nation out there hasn't? Israel's leadership can be easily credited with taking MANY steps towards peace and improving the lives of both Israelis AND Palestinians. Can the same be said for the Palestinian leaders?

Despite Israel's attempts, there has not yet been peace. I don't know whose fault that is. But as long as people sit and blame Israel every problem that comes up, never stopping to check out the other side, peace will NEVER come. That I know.
ThePolemistis
sondosia wrote:

Yes, Israel cut off some power. But it's not as simple as you think. In the attempt to show Hamas that firing rockets at Israel is unacceptable, the Israeli government made the decision to reduce power supply to Gaza.


Intelligent decision, they force the Palestinians to live in ghettos, they control the flow in and out of the city. They prevent mothers from visiting their children in hospital on the other side of gaza. They have their tanks down every street surrounded by a huge wall, amonst the largest ever created man. And now they are reducing power supply to the people of Palestine?
What next, the holocaust of the Palestinians?

sondosia wrote:


Clearly, Hamas seized on this opportunity to falsify and exaggerate matters as usual and make Israel look like the big bad bully once again.


And Israel is the messiah, the saviour of the world.
Israel is not a bully of course. I mean, only Nazi criminals would force people into ghettos and build a wall around them, and then slaughter them with no mercy. Israel of course does no such acts right?

sondosia wrote:


Maybe it's the fact that their leaders are terrorists whose stated purpose is to wipe Israel off the map--not to better the lives of their OWN people.


Who said Israel is to be wiped off the map?? Let not the Zionist American media deceive you. They were not the words of Ahmedinejhad, and any person in the field of translating farsi text will prove it.
Bring me the original remarks and we can have a discussion.
We don't want another war based on lies - Iraq was bad enough.


sondosia wrote:

Don't forget that Israel has made every effort to achieve peace. It signed peace treaties such as the Oslo Accords; the Palestinians responded by launching an Intifada a few years later.


The Oslo accords has been interpreted differently. To some people, Israel has failed in its obligation of the Oslo accords, to others it has succeeded.
Whatever the meaning of the documents were, I think now you will begin to understand the power of language and translations, and in future not make a wrongful translation.

sondosia wrote:

Israel provides money to finance Palestinian schools and educate Palestinian children. No, Israel hasn't been perfect.


Correct. This has funded Hamas into what it is today. Hamas provided education to Palestinian schools and students in form of stationary, books and so forth.
Israel funded Hamas to curb the growth of the PLO (ie. to bring a civil war). I believe now they have succeeded. Well done Israel. The blood is entirely on the hands of Israelis.

sondosia wrote:


It has made mistakes. But what nation out there hasn't? Israel's leadership can be easily credited with taking MANY steps towards peace and improving the lives of both Israelis AND Palestinians. Can the same be said for the Palestinian leaders?


Sure the Palestinians want peace -- jus give them their rightful homeland. Is it too much to ask? The French asked for the same (Free France movement) against the puppet Vichy government establish by the Nazis. I don't see why the Free France movement is considered legitamate in the eyes of the Allied world and the Palestinian resistence is not.

sondosia wrote:

Despite Israel's attempts, there has not yet been peace. I don't know whose fault that is.


I think you have already portrayed whose fault you think it is in your heavily biased article. So please don't lie.

sondosia wrote:


But as long as people sit and blame Israel every problem that comes up, never stopping to check out the other side, peace will NEVER come. That I know.

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So long as the occupation continues, and has done for over 60 years, of course there won't be peace. Millions of innocent Palestinians have been kciked out their homes to make way for a Jewish homeland, a homeland in eyes of ANY law considered illegal but almost every Western nation supporting the idea. It has resulted in the largest refugee problem in the world.

So as I said, as the Israeli occupation continues, so does the Palestinian intifada (uprising).
Let's take some lesson from Ireland.
GLOBALSTRATEGY
Wafa Sultan, Syrian psychologist, in an interview on Al Jazeera:
Quote:
“Only Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, murdering people and destroying embassies. This path will give no result. Muslims should ask themselves what they can do for Humanity, before asking Humanity to respect them.” She lives under a death threat. There is a lot of talk about the so called "Palestinian intifada", but the truth is that it is a reactionary jihadist fascist movement against the Jewish uprising who expelled British imperialism from the land of Israel (so called Palestine, using the term invented by imperial Rome after their war against the ancient Hebrews) and triumphed against the Arab coalition who wanted to throw them into the sea. We must remember that it is the Hamas controlled Gaza which bombs civilian objetives in southern Israel, they are the aggressors, from them and from Hizbollah in the north comes the violence which poisons the Middle East. We must remember that if Israel put down their arms, they cease to exist. If the Arabs put down their arms, there will be peace. The Jewish-Arab conflict does not exist because of any "occupation" but because of the Arab-Muslim rejection of any political non-Arab non-Muslim independence in the areas they believe to belong to the "dar el-islam". No Christian Maronite independent entity, no Kurdish entity, no Jewish state. Only "dhimmi", subjugated people to the only power they see as legitimate: the Islamic one. This is ultimately the conflict in a nutshell, no matter what borders Israel establish, the jihadist will never accept them. Even if Israel would be only Tel-Aviv, they would try to destroy that non-Islamic enclave, accusing it of colonial, unfaithful, or whatever. But the only true imperialism in the region is the one of Islam, and all free people must join efforts to overcome it.
ThePolemistis
GLOBALSTRATEGY wrote:
Wafa Sultan, Syrian psychologist, in an interview on Al Jazeera:
Quote:
“Only Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, murdering people and destroying embassies. This path will give no result. Muslims should ask themselves what they can do for Humanity, before asking Humanity to respect them.” She lives under a death threat. There is a lot of talk about the so called "Palestinian intifada", but the truth is that it is a reactionary jihadist fascist movement against the Jewish uprising who expelled British imperialism from the land of Israel (so called Palestine, using the term invented by imperial Rome after their war against the ancient Hebrews) and triumphed against the Arab coalition who wanted to throw them into the sea. We must remember that it is the Hamas controlled Gaza which bombs civilian objetives in southern Israel, they are the aggressors, from them and from Hizbollah in the north comes the violence which poisons the Middle East. We must remember that if Israel put down their arms, they cease to exist. If the Arabs put down their arms, there will be peace. The Jewish-Arab conflict does not exist because of any "occupation" but because of the Arab-Muslim rejection of any political non-Arab non-Muslim independence in the areas they believe to belong to the "dar el-islam". No Christian Maronite independent entity, no Kurdish entity, no Jewish state. Only "dhimmi", subjugated people to the only power they see as legitimate: the Islamic one. This is ultimately the conflict in a nutshell, no matter what borders Israel establish, the jihadist will never accept them. Even if Israel would be only Tel-Aviv, they would try to destroy that non-Islamic enclave, accusing it of colonial, unfaithful, or whatever. But the only true imperialism in the region is the one of Islam, and all free people must join efforts to overcome it.


To quote Wafa Sultan regarding the Muslims, is to quote Adolf Hitler regarding the Jews. Most if not all, is a bunch of crap.

And just to refute the first sentence: "Only Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches" - the last Jews in England were burned to death in a Church by the people (Christians) of york. in the 13th century.
Do I seriously want to bore myself writing other cases to refute her?
mahirh
the Israelites have one thing the Palestinians do not have , they cannot be criticised , they have more political power than America , that is why most reports opposing them fail to reach the people and when some Palestinian guys make a small rocket out of paper-clips , aluminium foil and safety matches , they are arrested for nothing and the Israelites are so stupid that - a 2 year old can rule their country better
deanhills
mahirh wrote:
the Israelites have one thing the Palestinians do not have , they cannot be criticised ,
Interesting statement. I thought exactly the opposite happened during the last Palestinian war. The whole of the media and then some were critical of their actions and voiced it everywhere. Israel's only support was the US Government, and not even a vocal support, more a support of keeping quiet.
jordialex
I think the only solution must be pacific way. No more war!! Wink
busman
Israel is probably the ONLY country created during the modern world where the land was taken back due to genetic claims and religious persecution. Name another ANYONE; try it go ahead... Falling a little blank? Ya so am I... Israel was created by perpetuating a theivery between different ethinicities in the SAME RACE that has gone on for thousands of years.

Secondly i could care less about who was there first... That argument is straight ridiculous in the modern world the way it is now and you know it! The native americans were here in the USA first, should i leave then considering i'm white? To make sure they have self determination and a true home land? FFS no, i'm not going to. You wanna know why? Because the crimes of the past are DONE and nothing i can do would bring back any semblence of normalcy to their lives. Would i do it if i know it would bring back their lost culture and they would re-populate etc etc etc? YES; ideally you wish that would happen but its not going to, so you know what you do? Get the hell over it.

It sucks, yes. But it's the cold hard truth. You want a better world right? Ask for the rights for some land from the people your sharing it with, DO NOT go to an American-Euro centric council RIGHT AFTER a genocide of your people, play the guilt card then un-peacefully force out close to a million people off their own land they've owned for generations to become refuges and afterwords continue your own genocide against them. That is despicable to say the least.

And NO, i am not a conspiracy theory guy or a anti-semite sympathizer (arabs are also semites BTW) but i DO NOT sympathize with the corrupt and brutal Isreali regime one bit. Go youtube for less than 5 minutes, you will find hundreds of videos of their soldiers shootin un-armed palestinians AND THEY WONDER WHY THEY DO IT BACK...

Israel was a country FOUNDED BY a mass genocide who slowley but surely has been commiting a ever increasing version of their own against the Palestinian people and culture. After what the Jews had been through you would think they would give 800,000 refuges a place to stay right? Nope, that's not the Isreali way.

Another post of mine. Fits here perfectly too. Enjoy
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