www.zeitgeistmovie.com lets you watch for free their 2 hour movie/documentary. I urge everyone to watch it only because it incites deep thought and makes you question that which you have always taken as true. I am a Christian though not an extreme or radical one. I picked apart the movie by my own standards and beliefs but still I am very intrigued by the information they give. They also give sources of their information and if you do not have the ability to watch the movie they have a transcript to read. I am very interested in reading what others think about this film.
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Interesting movie, not sure it's safe to discuss in public though. BigBrother might be watching.
| skatetokil wrote: |
| Interesting movie, not sure it's safe to discuss in public though. BigBrother might be watching. |
Hmm..maybe that's why i can't get the high paying jobs.
Anyone watched yet?? I'd love to see what some of yall thought about what it talks about. If you don't want to spend a lot of time then just watch the first part because it's on religion and really opens up the mind.
i watched it a while ago. It was a rather strangely schizophrenic trot through conspiracy theory land. It went from talking about religious conspiracy theories, to conspiracy theories about 9/11, to conspiracy theories about the US central bank. There was no real unifying thesis other than the usual "there are shadowy men trying to keep things secret from us to keep themselves in power" in all three segments.
i take it you're only interested in the religious claims? Well, i can't remember the details, but i do remember that they spent a lot of time going into the astrological basis for various details of the Christ mythology. Some of them were quite good, and i agree - i believe that the cult of Mithras was one of the primary sources for what became Christianity. But a lot of their claims and comparisons go a little bit too far. i wouldn't say they're just way off base... but i wouldn't call them a pillar of good scholarship either.
Be critical. Check their claims. Decide for yourself.
i take it you're only interested in the religious claims? Well, i can't remember the details, but i do remember that they spent a lot of time going into the astrological basis for various details of the Christ mythology. Some of them were quite good, and i agree - i believe that the cult of Mithras was one of the primary sources for what became Christianity. But a lot of their claims and comparisons go a little bit too far. i wouldn't say they're just way off base... but i wouldn't call them a pillar of good scholarship either.
Be critical. Check their claims. Decide for yourself.
Yes, well, I only watched the religious part of the movie. It was rather enjoyable, and some of the astrological comparisons were simply phenomenal. But then again, some of it was quite stretched.
All in all, it didn't impact my spirituality much, other than push me slightly further away from Christianity, or ogranized religion. I think a "push away from organized religion into individual religion" is kind of the trend lately.
All in all, it didn't impact my spirituality much, other than push me slightly further away from Christianity, or ogranized religion. I think a "push away from organized religion into individual religion" is kind of the trend lately.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| Yes, well, I only watched the religious part of the movie. It was rather enjoyable, and some of the astrological comparisons were simply phenomenal. But then again, some of it was quite stretched.
All in all, it didn't impact my spirituality much, other than push me slightly further away from Christianity, or ogranized religion. I think a "push away from organized religion into individual religion" is kind of the trend lately. |
Well you can be pushed away from traditional Christian beliefs and you can be pushed away from certain beliefs in the holy book but there is no being pushed away from Jesus Christ. You believe him and only at one point can you choose you do longer believe in him. That day should not come because if you have believed in him so far then why shouldn't it take hard evidence for you be a non-believer? A lot of people who do not believe in him would only take hard evidence to start believing. And by the way you're religion as a Christian teaches you faith which is much stronger than incomplete evidence. The movie insights thought, but does not prove anything just as nothing ever has.
| Bryan_Bezzle wrote: | ||
Well you can be pushed away from traditional Christian beliefs and you can be pushed away from certain beliefs in the holy book but there is no being pushed away from Jesus Christ. You believe him and only at one point can you choose you do longer believe in him. That day should not come because if you have believed in him so far then why shouldn't it take hard evidence for you be a non-believer? A lot of people who do not believe in him would only take hard evidence to start believing. And by the way you're religion as a Christian teaches you faith which is much stronger than incomplete evidence. The movie insights thought, but does not prove anything just as nothing ever has. |
Because, a lot doesn't make sense.
If God is so good, why is there such overwhelming evil? If God loves us, why does He create us, knowing that we will be cast to Hell (i.e. He knew us before we were in the womb, one must assume He knows whether or not we will be saved). Isn't it a bit of trouble to go through?
If God exists everywhere, then Hell cannot logically exist (as Hell is described as "Godless" or "Seperation from God")
The Bible was assembled some 300 years after Jesus' death (see First Council of Nicaea). Don't you think there was room for error from 33 AD to 325AD? And what about the language barrier? I highly doubt the scripture translated completely and fluently, so error is there.
The biggest claim I am willing to make is that scripture may have been divinely inspired, but was still written by man, ergo, there are flaws in it.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| The biggest claim I am willing to make is that scripture may have been divinely inspired, but was still written by man, ergo, there are flaws in it. |
I agree with much of your posting. This last point, however, is problematic for me. If there is divine inspiration at all then why would it be half-hearted? In other words, if God is going to intervene to guide the compilers of the New Testament to produce a divinely inspired 'truth' then why would he/she/it not go the whole way and ensure that it was correct in all details? Is God playing games with us?
| Bikerman wrote: | ||
I agree with much of your posting. This last point, however, is problematic for me. If there is divine inspiration at all then why would it be half-hearted? In other words, if God is going to intervene to guide the compilers of the New Testament to produce a divinely inspired 'truth' then why would he/she/it not go the whole way and ensure that it was correct in all details? Is God playing games with us? |
i'd take it a step further.
Let's say there is a god, God, and he wants to give an important message to mankind. What are his options?
Well, he could splash the message across the face of the Moon in big fluorescent letters, and write it in terms that are utterly and absolutely unambiguous to even a child.
Or, he could appear in visions to a middle-eastern shepherd, and explain his message in terms that are metaphorical and vague.
Seems to me the first way would be both more effective and more practical - there would be no uncertainty about who the message is from, and what it says. But obviously, that's not the way he's chosen to go. So let's look at the latter method.
What's wrong with it?
Well, first, there's clarity. By leaving room for interpretation, you leave room for disaster. i don't even think i need to argue that. The evidence is quite clear from the endless stream of doomsday cults and radical extremists throughout history.
But there's another, more insidious problem, that of pedigree. Suppose i were an unscrupulous scribe in the sixth century, and i really, really hated gay people. Because the message of God is not in a form that prevents tampering, i could insert text in there to say whatever i wanted to (or snip out bits that i don't agree with). And in fact, there is evidence that those things have happened to every major religious text (yes, even the Qur'an, despite Muslim claims). By providing his message in this form, God has opened the floodgates for dishonest people to distort it - not just by interpretation, but distorting the content. And they can, and they have, and now they're bigoted and ignorant beliefs are holy law, and we're none the wiser; we can't distinguish their modifications from the actual message.
I really liked the movie. It's sources are rather sketchy (like not listing page numbers of the books and I think that some of the news clips are voice overs). I always thought that religion was just a tool used to control people. All that info about the federal reserve bank was all new to me. Same with all the 9/11 info the movie had. All theories of the 9/11 attacks that said that the government planned it, up to this point, I have ignored. I'm not going simply agree 100% that the movie is correct, but just ask alot more questions about everything. The movie for sure woke me up.
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