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Is it a sin not to tell?
Hey all. I had a question...I know someone (or a few people) who happen to be doing something bad and illegal (drugs, which my religion are forbidden).
So, if I know, and its in my power to tell a higher authority, but I don't, am I sinning, like they are?
So, if I know, and its in my power to tell a higher authority, but I don't, am I sinning, like they are?
I wouldn't tell. My rule of thumb is: I don't tell if it's not hurting anyone but themselves. So I wouldn't tell on someone for doing illegal drugs if they're not getting stoned and then driving, or hurting other people when they're high. If they're just doing the drugs in the privacy of their homes, then that is their business. I probably would tell if they had kids in the house, though.
Well, they're far from getting married and having children, and they don't drive or anything when they're high, but its just that they do it in places that get them into a seriously deep load of "trouble", if you'd like to call it that, as I've known them to do it in public bathrooms at times too...
But I see what you mean not to tell if it only harms themselves. They can be dangerous people, I think that if they found out who they got busted because of, I don't think I'd live until the next morning..
But I see what you mean not to tell if it only harms themselves. They can be dangerous people, I think that if they found out who they got busted because of, I don't think I'd live until the next morning..
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
| Well, they're far from getting married and having children, and they don't drive or anything when they're high, but its just that they do it in places that get them into a seriously deep load of "trouble", if you'd like to call it that, as I've known them to do it in public bathrooms at times too...
But I see what you mean not to tell if it only harms themselves. They can be dangerous people, I think that if they found out who they got busted because of, I don't think I'd live until the next morning.. |
Why is that a consideration? You ask if it is a sin, not if it is the right thing to do. If it is a sin then your own personal safety should not be a consideration should it?
I'm sorry to have to keep picking you up on this sort of point. The fact is, though, that you have posted some pretty objectionable stuff based on your faith in other threads, and taken the stance that atheists are ignorant and that Islam is the 'correct' way of thinking. If you want to maintain that position then I will continue to challenge you to defend your position.
Matthew 18: 15-18
| Bikerman wrote: | ||
Why is that a consideration? You ask if it is a sin, not if it is the right thing to do. If it is a sin then your own personal safety should not be a consideration should it? |
What I meant is, if you know something wrong is being done and it won't harm you to tell, then you should. But should I put my own personal safety before morals? Should I care more about saving myself from maybe a punch or two rather than getting them to stop what they do, until they really do something and mess up someone's life...
And no, I don't think all Atheists are ignorant.
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
| What I meant is, if you know something wrong is being done and it won't harm you to tell, then you should. But should I put my own personal safety before morals? Should I care more about saving myself from maybe a punch or two rather than getting them to stop what they do, until they really do something and mess up someone's life...
And no, I don't think all Atheists are ignorant. |
I can't tell you what to do since I don't share your moral code - mine is based on humanism. From my perspective I would take the view that their behaviour is their business unless it impacts negatively on others, in which case the requirement to act is unconditional. That action would be (for me) firstly to talk to the people concerned.
To put that in explicit terms - if there are people (children) being directly harmed by the drug-takers (other than the drug-takers themselves), then I would feel it necessary to talk to the drug takers, point out my objection, and ask them to do something about it.
I would, of course, try to engineer a situation where that did not result in me being 'done-over' because morality does not imply stupidity. In this particular case that would probably involve me making sure that a couple of my more 'meaty' biker friends were on hand whilst the chat was conducted.
Clearly your holey book should be able to tell you or not whether not telling is a sin. There is no reason to ask us that question. However, as you want to know what to do. First of all, I'd say, screw god. Or at least forget that you are religious and just for once listen to what your heart tells you. If it endangers other people, besides the two drug takers, I would let others know. However, if they are your friends or you know them well it might be a better option to talk to the persons first before acting and see if they are willing to listen. You need to do whatever you feel is right. Remember, you need to be able to live with yourself after this, no matter how it will end. Just do whatever you feel will enable you to remember in the future and you can say: Yes, I did the right thing there. Or at least, I did the one of the two lesser evils.
I don't know enough about your religion to say whether or not not telling would be considered a sin, but I do know that by my own code I would have to say that siting by and doing nothing would be a sin, but telling an authority might not be the best answer.
Getting the authorities involved may cause your friends as much harm as the drugs are doing by messing up their futures (they would now have a record, etc...)
I would suggest trying something along the lines of an intervention first. Get together their friends and family and have a serious talk, make them see how they are hurting themselves, and by hurting themselves they are causing pain to those who care for them.
It may not work, but at least you will have tried, and you will know that you did do something rather than just sitting by and taking the 'safe' course.
Getting the authorities involved may cause your friends as much harm as the drugs are doing by messing up their futures (they would now have a record, etc...)
I would suggest trying something along the lines of an intervention first. Get together their friends and family and have a serious talk, make them see how they are hurting themselves, and by hurting themselves they are causing pain to those who care for them.
It may not work, but at least you will have tried, and you will know that you did do something rather than just sitting by and taking the 'safe' course.
Oh, and I just realized something. I never did answer the question. I made a post saying that I wouldn't tell and your question was asking if it was a sin to not tell. I do not think it is a sin. I've read most of the bible and pieces of the Koran, and I seem to remember there being something in there about people being accountable for their own actions; am I right?
Yeesh...
bikerman: I know how you feel...Strangely, your opinion holds even for religious types. Sorry about that
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Coen: You're just as bad as the OP...
Jinx: It could be better argued that the legal intercession is better in the long run; not every drug bust ends up on the person's record, and may lead to a drug-free future.
HBP: From a strictly biblical perspective, you wouldn't be in the wrong if you didn't report them; I'm not sure if you're even supposed to report sins. However, it would depend on how charitable you were feeling; in which case, reporting them to the cops would be a matter of charity...
HM
bikerman: I know how you feel...Strangely, your opinion holds even for religious types. Sorry about that
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Coen: You're just as bad as the OP...
Jinx: It could be better argued that the legal intercession is better in the long run; not every drug bust ends up on the person's record, and may lead to a drug-free future.
HBP: From a strictly biblical perspective, you wouldn't be in the wrong if you didn't report them; I'm not sure if you're even supposed to report sins. However, it would depend on how charitable you were feeling; in which case, reporting them to the cops would be a matter of charity...
HM
Could you please explain the meaning of the abbriviation OP to me as I am not a native English speaker and do not understand it. Although, according to your other comments in the reply, it is probably an attempt to tell me what I said sucked. I was actually hoping you'd be giving your own solution as you seem to know so well what's wrong with the other ones offered...
| Coen wrote: |
| Could you please explain the meaning of the abbriviation OP to me as I am not a native English speaker and do not understand it. Although, according to your other comments in the reply, it is probably an attempt to tell me what I said sucked. I was actually hoping you'd be giving your own solution as you seem to know so well what's wrong with the other ones offered... |
Asking the meaning of OP?
OP = Opening post/Opening poster. AKA the person/post who started the thread.
In that case I'd like him to explain why he thinks I am just as bad as I tend to use my mind instead of following a doctrine of which is thought to be untrue.
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
| Hey all. I had a question...I know someone (or a few people) who happen to be doing something bad and illegal (drugs, which my religion are forbidden).
So, if I know, and its in my power to tell a higher authority, but I don't, am I sinning, like they are? |
I would say its a sin not to tell only if your directly asked about the matter .. you would be a liar if you denied any knowledge of it , if they were causing people harm ( I know you say they are not ) the opposite would apply if you didnt tell you would be sinning..... just an opinion.
I think Tumbleweed got it. Since we don't know your religion, we can't exactly tell you if it is considered as sin or not, but seeing as in most religions, lying is a sin, if you lied about the fact that they are doing illegal drugs, then it would be considered a sin.
And good job to you, tumble, for keeping on track and not getting involved in the pointless personal arguing that seems to happen a lot in this forum.
God bless,
pampoon
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@coen
Your first post was completely not what HBP was asking about. He wanted to know if it was a sin or not, so saying "screw god" and "do what you feel" wouldn't make much sense, seeing as he is obviously religious and does not worship himself.
And good job to you, tumble, for keeping on track and not getting involved in the pointless personal arguing that seems to happen a lot in this forum.
God bless,
pampoon
Edit:
@coen
Your first post was completely not what HBP was asking about. He wanted to know if it was a sin or not, so saying "screw god" and "do what you feel" wouldn't make much sense, seeing as he is obviously religious and does not worship himself.
Thanks for the feedback Pampoon. I'm Muslim, btw, so my ideals are pretty close to Christians.
Coen...I reply to Bikerman's posts because they make a point and don't say 'screw god and do what you feel like'. You? No. I don't make posts saying "all teh athiests r goin to hell!!!!//11!" so you don't need to do make posts like that either, geared towards religious people.
Also, I'm convinced, by the quality and thought put into your earlier posts, that you're probably less than 18, in which case you shouldn't be flaming others on religious forums. This is a 'Philosophy/Religion' forum, in which case you can't come on and say "screw god". In the same way, you can't go to the Web-hosting support forum and say "hosting sucks".
In a religion forum, you can say "I don't believe in God BECAUSE..." just like on the web-hosting forum you can say "I don't like web-hosting BECAUSE..."
(not that you've made posts like that in the web-hosting forum, it was just an example)
Coen...I reply to Bikerman's posts because they make a point and don't say 'screw god and do what you feel like'. You? No. I don't make posts saying "all teh athiests r goin to hell!!!!//11!" so you don't need to do make posts like that either, geared towards religious people.
Also, I'm convinced, by the quality and thought put into your earlier posts, that you're probably less than 18, in which case you shouldn't be flaming others on religious forums. This is a 'Philosophy/Religion' forum, in which case you can't come on and say "screw god". In the same way, you can't go to the Web-hosting support forum and say "hosting sucks".
In a religion forum, you can say "I don't believe in God BECAUSE..." just like on the web-hosting forum you can say "I don't like web-hosting BECAUSE..."
(not that you've made posts like that in the web-hosting forum, it was just an example)
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
| In a religion forum, you can say "I don't believe in God BECAUSE..." just like on the web-hosting forum you can say "I don't like web-hosting BECAUSE..." |
I need to explain why I say the things I say, which I do. I do not see the use of saying them diffrently as I do have the ability to defend and explain what I think and feel.
And you do this by saying "screw god?" I don't say "screw athiests".
It is sin not to to tell(in the eyes of society too) if u dont stop the wrong by informin the correct authrities
Call the cops when u see something wrong. Try to help people by giving them advice. But if they dont want it, leave em alone. Call teh coppers
It is sin not to to tell(in the eyes of society too) if u dont stop the wrong by informin the correct authrities
Call the cops when u see something wrong. Try to help people by giving them advice. But if they dont want it, leave em alone. Call teh coppers
Call the cops when u see something wrong. Try to help people by giving them advice. But if they dont want it, leave em alone. Call teh coppers
It is sin not to to tell(in the eyes of society too) if u dont stop the wrong by informin the correct authrities
Call the cops when u see something wrong. Try to help people by giving them advice. But if they dont want it, leave em alone. Call teh coppers
Hello!
I personally against drugs.
Under drugs I understand all of chemical matters which result in privykaniyu.
So for example ordinary pills similarly can appear for certain people by drugs. In respect of legal methods, many vitamins in great numbers render narcotic influence on an organism.
So cut between drugs and not drugs each does for itself.
I personally against drugs.
Under drugs I understand all of chemical matters which result in privykaniyu.
So for example ordinary pills similarly can appear for certain people by drugs. In respect of legal methods, many vitamins in great numbers render narcotic influence on an organism.
So cut between drugs and not drugs each does for itself.
you mean is it a lie not to tell?
i dont think you are lying as long as you weren't ask to answer.
now with bullsh*tting, that's a different degree of intellectual dishonesty
i dont think you are lying as long as you weren't ask to answer.
now with bullsh*tting, that's a different degree of intellectual dishonesty
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