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Global Warming is it TOO late?
Some people thing that it's too late to stop Global warming!!
What do you think?
What do you think?
I change my mind. It's not too late to reverse global warming. In fact there was a whole in the atmosphere that was being tracked and recent evidence concludes that the atmosphere is repairing its self. However, if we continue this path of dumbing waste, or emitting O2 into the air, the world is already doomed.
The issue no longer lies with our emissions alone. The issue now lies with things such as the permafrost melting and releasing methane (the most potent greenhouse gas) in large amounts, or the lake beds that currently trap methane and CO2 turning over and releasing it all. Basically what I'm saying is, even if we stopped all emissions tomorrow, we would still see a steady increase in temperature. Because the effects are long-term. So basically all you can hope for is that we start to make our emissions small enough to hopefully avoid that mass amount of greenhouse gas release that will pretty much screw us for good.
IT IS ALWAYS BETTER LATE THAN NEVER
dats all i have to say
dats all i have to say
yes I think it is too late because anyway the countries that would influence it the most in the next years don't want to do anything.
I don't know if they would take drastic actions if it may change but anyway they won't take drastic actions.
Try to ask China to stop their quick development because it is polluting too much...
I don't know if they would take drastic actions if it may change but anyway they won't take drastic actions.
Try to ask China to stop their quick development because it is polluting too much...
We can still do our best, and try to make it better. Thinking about the generations that are coming.
Actually, after reading the articles linked from the Global Cooling thread about the sun heading toward a minimum sunspot cycle that would compare with the Dalton Minimum (1790s-1830s), which will bring a couple of decades of unusually cold weather, I'm wondering which one will have the most effect or if they will just cancel one another out.
This dip in the sun's output will mean less energy reaching the Earth, but if we have more greenhouse gasses we'll keep more of the energy (heat) that we do get.
This dip in the sun's output will mean less energy reaching the Earth, but if we have more greenhouse gasses we'll keep more of the energy (heat) that we do get.
<sarcasm>The Earth's temperature has increased by a couple of degrees, so let's just let it keep pushing it up recklessly, faster and faster until the Earth doesn't support life anymore.</sarcasm>
It's not too late. It's later than it should be, but there are DEFINITELY still ways to slow and then stop global warming.
It's not too late. It's later than it should be, but there are DEFINITELY still ways to slow and then stop global warming.
Personally, I think we have bigger problems.
In order of importance:
Surplus population and therefore destruction of natural habitat
Overfishing / Unsustainable agriculture
Industrial pollution / Trash / Landfills
After we solve those problems, we can worry about the temperature going up a few degrees.
(Solving the Surplus population problem might have a chain reaction and solve other problems as well.)
In order of importance:
Surplus population and therefore destruction of natural habitat
Overfishing / Unsustainable agriculture
Industrial pollution / Trash / Landfills
After we solve those problems, we can worry about the temperature going up a few degrees.
(Solving the Surplus population problem might have a chain reaction and solve other problems as well.)
| ocalhoun wrote: |
| Personally, I think we have bigger problems.
In order of importance: Surplus population and therefore destruction of natural habitat Overfishing / Unsustainable agriculture Industrial pollution / Trash / Landfills After we solve those problems, we can worry about the temperature going up a few degrees. (Solving the Surplus population problem might have a chain reaction and solve other problems as well.) |
Yes, I've been saying this for years. Global Warming still has shaky evidence, so why spend the time worrying about that when you mentioned bigger issues? Besides, everything is based on overpopulation, like you said. If that was fixed, then everything would be fixed more or less.
| ocalhoun wrote: |
| Personally, I think we have bigger problems.
In order of importance: Surplus population and therefore destruction of natural habitat Overfishing / Unsustainable agriculture Industrial pollution / Trash / Landfills After we solve those problems, we can worry about the temperature going up a few degrees. (Solving the Surplus population problem might have a chain reaction and solve other problems as well.) |
I agree with you that what you mention are also important problems but it doesn't mean that global warming isn't one as well or should have a lower priority. And I would say that all these things are interrelated, they all come from usage of the current resources at the maximum without thinking about the future.
I don't think it's to late to stop it. I doubt whether we'd want to stop it as it might not be simply the fault of humans alone. In the millions of years the earth is here the temperature has always changed and when you look at it you'll see a sinus graph that makes twists around one, average, temperature. We are simply in its way up, I do not see any reason to panic as the temperature will go down again too.
| ocalhoun wrote: |
| Personally, I think we have bigger problems.
In order of importance: Surplus population and therefore destruction of natural habitat Overfishing / Unsustainable agriculture Industrial pollution / Trash / Landfills After we solve those problems, we can worry about the temperature going up a few degrees. (Solving the Surplus population problem might have a chain reaction and solve other problems as well.) |
Agreed. Global Warming is caused by all of the above. However, if it takes the scare stories regarding global warming to motivate people to do something then I am all for it. People now want to keep green belts etc because its politically advantageous to be seen to be attempting to combat 'Golbal Warming'.
Pollution taxes, increased push for recycling etc. all stem from peoples fear of the sea levels rising and the ozone layer thinning.
The political and social climate is changing as well as the planets, and I wouldn't be too keen on stopping it until people have cleaned up their act and we have a sustainable population, sustainable agriculture (for the whole world), and we can start to deal with the vast amounts of pollution that is produced every day.
So is it too late to stop Global Warming - of course not, but don't tell anybody just yet.
David.
| Afaceinthematrix wrote: |
| Global Warming still has shaky evidence |
Global Warming is real and will continue. That's not a shaky conclusion. We should figure out what can be done, and it should be a top priority because time is of the essence.
I don’t think that we can actually stop global warming but maybe it could be slowed down if everybody would do their job about it – especially big industries.
| biljap wrote: |
| I dont think that we can actually stop global warming but maybe it could be slowed down if everybody would do their job about it especially big industries. |
Unfortunately that is a common viewpoint and is, I believe, profoundly mistaken. In our capitalist system, industry will generally respond to consumer demand. The individual, therefore, has the power to influence things by their consumption choices. This is not a huge influence individually, but it does count.
I agree that AGW is irreversible but that does not mean that the onus is with big companies to slow it down - the onus is on individuals to change their consumption. This is an unpopular message since everyone naturally looks for a 'quick fix', but it is, unfortunately, the reality.
| nilsmo wrote: | ||
Global Warming is real and will continue. That's not a shaky conclusion. We should figure out what can be done, and it should be a top priority because time is of the essence. |
I'm not saying that Global Warming isn't happening, but yes, it does have shaky evidence.
The world was, on average, warmer than it is now in the 1930s. After the '30s the earth began to cool down. Many people were worried about "Global Cooling." Now that it is warming back up, people are worrying about "Global Warming."
The world is approximated to be about 4.55 billion-years-old. Do you really think that such huge conclusions can be made with only a few years of data? The data that we have is about a second in the earth's history.
Global Warming is profitable, which is why I think it has remained an issue. Companies and organizations have offered money to scientists able to come up with solutions. I believe that that may be one reason behind the push of Global Warming.
There is no question in my mind that human-beings are destroying the environment, and believe me, I care. I am a nature-loving person. However, I do not believe that Global Warming is the most important issue at stake. If more evidence is displayed, then I will agree that the priorities should be changed.
Here are some issues that I find to be more important than Global Warming:
1. Overpopulation - this is the biggest issue. Everything is based on this. If we had fewer people living on the planet, then there would be a smaller impact on the environment and we wouldn't need to be having this conversation.
2. Deforestation
3. Overuse of materials such as plastic
4. Overfishing
5. Poaching
I think these problems are more important than Global Warming, and like I said, everything is based on the first problem.
The Global Warming is happening now..
Why you all dont believe?Even the sciencetist find out that it is happening now.
This is the news about it :
On Feb. 2, 2007, the United Nations scientific panel studying climate change declared that the evidence of a warming trend is "unequivocal," and that human activity has "very likely" been the driving force in that change over the last 50 years. The last report by the group, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, in 2001, had found that humanity had "likely" played a role.
The addition of that single word "very" did more than reflect mounting scientific evidence that the release of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases from smokestacks, tailpipes and burning forests has played a central role in raising the average surface temperature of the earth by more than 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1900. It also added new momentum to a debate that now seems centered less over whether humans are warming the planet, but instead over what to do about it. In recent months, business groups have banded together to make unprecedented calls for federal regulation of greenhouse gases. The subject had a red-carpet moment when former Vice President Al Gore's documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," was awarded an Oscar; and the Supreme Court made its first global warming-related decision, ruling 5 to 4 that the Environmental Protection Agency had not justified its position that it was not authorized to regulate carbon dioxide.
The greenhouse effect has been part of the earth's workings since its earliest days. Gases like carbon dioxide and methane allow sunlight to reach the earth, but prevent some of the resulting heat from radiating back out into space. Without the greenhouse effect, the planet would never have warmed enough to allow life to form. But as ever larger amounts of carbon dioxide have been released along with the development of industrial economies, the atmosphere has grown warmer at an accelerating rate: Since 1970, temperatures have gone up at nearly three times the average for the 20th century.
The latest report from the climate panel predicted that the global climate is likely to rise between 3.5 and 8 degrees Fahrenheit if the carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere reaches twice the level of 1750. By 2100, sea levels are likely to rise between 7 to 23 inches, it said, and the changes now underway will continue for centuries to come.
Get from : http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier#[/url]
Why you all dont believe?Even the sciencetist find out that it is happening now.
This is the news about it :
On Feb. 2, 2007, the United Nations scientific panel studying climate change declared that the evidence of a warming trend is "unequivocal," and that human activity has "very likely" been the driving force in that change over the last 50 years. The last report by the group, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, in 2001, had found that humanity had "likely" played a role.
The addition of that single word "very" did more than reflect mounting scientific evidence that the release of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases from smokestacks, tailpipes and burning forests has played a central role in raising the average surface temperature of the earth by more than 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1900. It also added new momentum to a debate that now seems centered less over whether humans are warming the planet, but instead over what to do about it. In recent months, business groups have banded together to make unprecedented calls for federal regulation of greenhouse gases. The subject had a red-carpet moment when former Vice President Al Gore's documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," was awarded an Oscar; and the Supreme Court made its first global warming-related decision, ruling 5 to 4 that the Environmental Protection Agency had not justified its position that it was not authorized to regulate carbon dioxide.
The greenhouse effect has been part of the earth's workings since its earliest days. Gases like carbon dioxide and methane allow sunlight to reach the earth, but prevent some of the resulting heat from radiating back out into space. Without the greenhouse effect, the planet would never have warmed enough to allow life to form. But as ever larger amounts of carbon dioxide have been released along with the development of industrial economies, the atmosphere has grown warmer at an accelerating rate: Since 1970, temperatures have gone up at nearly three times the average for the 20th century.
The latest report from the climate panel predicted that the global climate is likely to rise between 3.5 and 8 degrees Fahrenheit if the carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere reaches twice the level of 1750. By 2100, sea levels are likely to rise between 7 to 23 inches, it said, and the changes now underway will continue for centuries to come.
Get from : http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier#[/url]
Global warming may or may not be really going on. We currently do not have enough information to say for sure. Does it seem like the tempuratures in the USA are up? I say they are up, but we rarely hit recorded highs, or set new ones.
The earths weather is still too complicated for us to completely understand yet. So summarizing here, we know too little and have unreliable information to say anything for sure. The earth is billions of years old and we have been here 25 to 30 thousand. We know nothing of the earths ups and downs. There is CO2 levels trapped in ice at the polar caps. We look at this small amount of evidence and say we know for sure what was going on thousands of years ago. We may be right, but who can say? No one. If you believe that CO2 in mass in the atmosphere is what is causing a warm up on a global scale I say do something about it and PLANT TREES. This will not fix it today,but tomorrow might be better.
The earths weather is still too complicated for us to completely understand yet. So summarizing here, we know too little and have unreliable information to say anything for sure. The earth is billions of years old and we have been here 25 to 30 thousand. We know nothing of the earths ups and downs. There is CO2 levels trapped in ice at the polar caps. We look at this small amount of evidence and say we know for sure what was going on thousands of years ago. We may be right, but who can say? No one. If you believe that CO2 in mass in the atmosphere is what is causing a warm up on a global scale I say do something about it and PLANT TREES. This will not fix it today,but tomorrow might be better.
| thylac wrote: |
| Global warming may or may not be really going on. We currently do not have enough information to say for sure. Does it seem like the tempuratures in the USA are up? I say they are up, but we rarely hit recorded highs, or set new ones. |
Global Warming IS going on - no ifs, no buts, no doubts. The warming is recorded. The only serious question is how much of it is Anthropogenic (caused by man).
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| The earths weather is still too complicated for us to completely understand yet. So summarizing here, we know too little and have unreliable information to say anything for sure. The earth is billions of years old and we have been here 25 to 30 thousand. We know nothing of the earths ups and downs. There is CO2 levels trapped in ice at the polar caps. We look at this small amount of evidence and say we know for sure what was going on thousands of years ago. We may be right, but who can say? No one. If you believe that CO2 in mass in the atmosphere is what is causing a warm up on a global scale I say do something about it and PLANT TREES. This will not fix it today,but tomorrow might be better. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
I think this guy says it best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI
Right, as the above post says, Wonderingmind42 has a complete series of videos on the subject that are well worth a watch.
The question is not what causes it, but can we help the situation. Global Climate Change (a more accurate description) is a danger to us regardless of what creates it. Even if it is just a normal Earth cycle, it doesn't necessarily mean we can survive it. There have been mass extinctions before, and the Earth will probably get along better without us. However, being slightly anthropocentric, I tend to like the fact that I'm alive and there are others like me, and although we'll probably blow ourselves up, I'd like to human race to survive at least for the most part.
So whatever the cause, we should try to help. Check out Wonderingmind42's videos on YouTube. They'll open your eyes.
The question is not what causes it, but can we help the situation. Global Climate Change (a more accurate description) is a danger to us regardless of what creates it. Even if it is just a normal Earth cycle, it doesn't necessarily mean we can survive it. There have been mass extinctions before, and the Earth will probably get along better without us. However, being slightly anthropocentric, I tend to like the fact that I'm alive and there are others like me, and although we'll probably blow ourselves up, I'd like to human race to survive at least for the most part.
So whatever the cause, we should try to help. Check out Wonderingmind42's videos on YouTube. They'll open your eyes.
It is never too late, not unless everyone will take a stand to stop it.
Just something I am throwing out there(tosses the idea onto the forum). In the past the poles of the planet shifted and caused global conditions to change. What if the actual cause of global warming is that the poles are shifting? This article from national geographic explains what they have discovered. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1215_051215_north_pole.html This link is more information(not sure how accurate). http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-pole-shift.htm
No it is not ":Too Late".Still we have chance to save our earth.I always imagine sometimes that how come still we r all alive inspite of having so much distructions,WorldWars,Fires etc etc.There has been so much pollution till today.I cant imagine a days work of all of us.Calculate how much smoke gets added daily all over the world?It is really horrible.Humans Life is getting shorter and shorter.Age period has already come down.I see people in my viccinity of age 35 and having similar probems as of people of age 70.Still we have chance,We all are educated.We knw all options to save our earth,But still we are not adopting to it.
Ok here is what i say. Global warming is a natural sircumstance that befalls our earth every few melenia. The problem is that man kind is speeding up the rate at which this is happening to a point where it is posible that the global warming will end up killing the earth. The question is not can we stop it bu can we restore it to a normal rate of growth so that the earth has time to adapt as it is happening.
In my opinion man kind is greedy and there is no way we will be able to stop it. Afew more generations on earth and we are all deal.
Have a nice day,
Markus
In my opinion man kind is greedy and there is no way we will be able to stop it. Afew more generations on earth and we are all deal.
Have a nice day,
Markus
A valid viewpoint.
I'm not going to engage in this debate here, for the simple reasons that
a) I'm not sufficiently qualified or experienced to give any meaningful answers
b) The debate is in full flow in many other fora and features people far more experienced and qualified than I am.
My own opinions (for what they are worth) are that
Global Warming in definitely happening.
Global climate change is already happening.
Anthropogenic Global Warming is probably happening.
We can contribute to the severity of the changes in climate.
We cannot predict what those changes will be.
They are probably going to be very bad for humanity (ie have a detrimental effect on a large number of people).
We should do what we can to minimise the changes.
I'm not going to engage in this debate here, for the simple reasons that
a) I'm not sufficiently qualified or experienced to give any meaningful answers
b) The debate is in full flow in many other fora and features people far more experienced and qualified than I am.
My own opinions (for what they are worth) are that
Global Warming in definitely happening.
Global climate change is already happening.
Anthropogenic Global Warming is probably happening.
We can contribute to the severity of the changes in climate.
We cannot predict what those changes will be.
They are probably going to be very bad for humanity (ie have a detrimental effect on a large number of people).
We should do what we can to minimise the changes.
No, if we stop NOW
| dual75 wrote: |
| No, if we stop NOW |
Thanks for the input! keep up the good work! *cough*
Anyway back on topic, I overheard a conversation yesterday where some woman was explaining that she didn't believe in Global Warming. I think it's pretty dang sad that it is now something to "believe" in. When there is plenty of documented evidence for its existence. Quite frankly hearing that woman say that disgusted me, but it also reminded me why its still a problem. People don't accept the idea that might disrupt their own day to day lives, people want everything to be easy, and lastly, people don't really care much about later.
| Bikerman wrote: |
| A valid viewpoint.
I'm not going to engage in this debate here, for the simple reasons that a) I'm not sufficiently qualified or experienced to give any meaningful answers b) The debate is in full flow in many other fora and features people far more experienced and qualified than I am. My own opinions (for what they are worth) are that Global Warming in definitely happening. Global climate change is already happening. Anthropogenic Global Warming is probably happening. We can contribute to the severity of the changes in climate. We cannot predict what those changes will be. They are probably going to be very bad for humanity (ie have a detrimental effect on a large number of people). We should do what we can to minimise the changes. |
The above almost summarizes how I feel about this too. (a) was the first thought that occurred to me when I first saw the topic. Possibly this applies to most people too. I also believe global warming is happening and regrettably it would seem that not much is being done to fight it. Visit the countries in the Far East and look at the levels of pollution, it becomes pretty scary and perhaps a picture of our futures in North America and Europe? Walking around with face protection as the air is not fit for consumption? Something really meaningful will have to be done to fix it, but then there are so many self-interests involved, especially large business. Over population is probably also a huge problem. Obviously a touchy subject, but I think it has a great impact too on global warming. More people, more products needed, more production, more burning of fuels, more automobiles, more airplanes ....
I think that the "american way of life" is totally totally unsustainable. There is no way we can commute long distances to work and use tons of electricity and constantly buy and throw away tons and tons of JUNK, and still have an inhabitable earth to give to our grandkids! And it's so hard to break with that way of living because it's ingrained in our consciousness as "the normal way to do things". And our culture and economy NEED us to keep doing these wasteful things.
I'm feeling very very unpatriotic this fourth of july and the above is (mostly) why.
I'm feeling very very unpatriotic this fourth of july and the above is (mostly) why.
What's the problem? we won't be alive when disasters will arrive! And the men will set up new thing to save us from most of it...
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