Hey there. I am a Muslim, so my beliefs are similar in many ways to Christians and Jews. As Muslims, we believe that Jesus will come back 40 years before the end of the world to save the righteous and try to make the sinners become better people, etc...
I was wondering, what is the Christians' belief on this concept? Is it the same? Thanks.
As I said, I asked what the CHRISTIANS' belief is, not the atheist's, because quite frankly I don't care for their opinion, since everything is a 'coincidence'.
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
Hey there. I am a Muslim, so my beliefs are similar in many ways to Christians and Jews. As Muslims, we believe that Jesus will come back 40 years before the end of the world to save the righteous and try to make the sinners become better people, etc...
I was wondering, what is the Christians' belief on this concept? Is it the same? Thanks.
As I said, I asked what the CHRISTIANS' belief is, not the atheist's, because quite frankly I don't care for their opinion, since everything is a 'coincidence'. |
Well, you can't choose who will respond to a posting so you'll just have to live with it.
(For the record I do not think that Christians would share your belief since there is no evidence in the Bible for '40 years').
You clearly don't understand atheism. Just because one does not believe in a God, does not mean that one believes everything is 'coincidence'. There are physical laws which govern the observable universe and things happen according to those laws, not simply as a matter of coincidence.The Christian version is that He's supposed to come right before the event and start reading the scrolls (symbolically), and to make an actual appearance at the head of the armies at the end. Believers get Raptured up (ie, miraculously) towards the beginning of the event, even though that's up to interpretation (ie, whether it's just Jews, just believers, or both is a matter of contention).
If it helps...
Also, as atheists and agnostics don't really have an End Times prophecy it was sort of baiting to exlcude them...
HM
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The Christian version is that He's supposed to come right before the event and start reading the scrolls (symbolically), and to make an actual appearance at the head of the armies at the end. Believers get Raptured up (ie, miraculously) towards the beginning of the event, even though that's up to interpretation (ie, whether it's just Jews, just believers, or both is a matter of contention).
If it helps... |
Well, a lot of this is from poor mad John in the Book of Revelations. Most Christians don't really go for the 'rapture' bit.When younger, I was always under the impression that religious people were to accept and attempt to convert non-believers passively. I've come to realize that religious people only judge and insult aggressively. Word of advice, don't post on a public forum acting superior to others and judging them for what they follow if you want people to think you're really religious. I don't deem you a religious person -.-
| Bikerman wrote: |
Well, a lot of this is from poor mad John in the Book of Revelations. Most Christians don't really go for the 'rapture' bit. |
That would sort of be why I put in the "under contention" bit...Read: Not believeing in it myself, but just hedging...
[For those not following: A number of Christians believe that when the Apocalypse starts up, Christians will be taken to heaven, and that 144,000 Jews will be left behind as Witnesses, even though Revelations itself notes that the it's the Jews that will go up. This interpretation is based on the statement that, when the time comes, everyone will be taken away by a "thief in the night", which a lot of Christians have taken to mean that they will taken upstairs when the end of The World is nigh. For a rather humorous version of this, please see "Taken Away".]
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| When younger, I was always under the impression that religious people were to accept and attempt to convert non-believers passively. I've come to realize that religious people only judge and insult aggressively. Word of advice, don't post on a public forum acting superior to others and judging them for what they follow if you want people to think you're really religious. I don't deem you a religious person -.- |
Er...To what are you referring? Bikerman is not a religious person, so it can't refer to him, and no one else is really recruiting. Also, the Half-Blood Prince is basically a legitimate question. Read: This is sort of the religious forum, where people tend to discuss and ask questions regarding, well, religion.
So...outside of being random, what exactly are you referring to?
HM | liljp617 wrote: |
| ...if you want people to think you're really religious... |
And why would I want that? What would proving that to a couple of people on an internet forum do? Would I gain something? No. I just know that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are similar in many many aspects, and since Jews don't really believe in Christ, I wanted to know the Christian's belief on his coming-back before the end. 
And as mentioned above, this is a religious forum where, believe it or not, people like to discuss religion. 
| HereticMonkey wrote: |
| liljp617 wrote: | | When younger, I was always under the impression that religious people were to accept and attempt to convert non-believers passively. I've come to realize that religious people only judge and insult aggressively. Word of advice, don't post on a public forum acting superior to others and judging them for what they follow if you want people to think you're really religious. I don't deem you a religious person -.- |
Er...To what are you referring? Bikerman is not a religious person, so it can't refer to him, and no one else is really recruiting. Also, the Half-Blood Prince is basically a legitimate question. Read: This is sort of the religious forum, where people tend to discuss and ask questions regarding, well, religion.
So...outside of being random, what exactly are you referring to?
HM |
I believe that they are referring to this:
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As I said, I asked what the CHRISTIANS' belief is, not the atheist's, because quite frankly I don't care for their opinion, since everything is a 'coincidence'. |
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I believe that they are referring to this:
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As I said, I asked what the CHRISTIANS' belief is, not the atheist's, because quite frankly I don't care for their opinion, since everything is a 'coincidence'. |
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Yep, probably. But, as I previously pointed out, the statement is untrue. Atheists don't necessarily have 'an opinion' on anything. An atheist is simply someone who doesn't believe in a God - nothing more. They may believe all sorts of other things, or they may not. I, for example, certainly do NOT believe that 'everything is a coincidence'. | Bikerman wrote: |
| JessieF wrote: | I believe that they are referring to this:
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As I said, I asked what the CHRISTIANS' belief is, not the atheist's, because quite frankly I don't care for their opinion, since everything is a 'coincidence'. |
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Yep, probably. But, as I previously pointed out, the statement is untrue. Atheists don't necessarily have 'an opinion' on anything. An atheist is simply someone who doesn't believe in a God - nothing more. They may believe all sorts of other things, or they may not. I, for example, certainly do NOT believe that 'everything is a coincidence'. |
-agreed-
And neither do I believe that 'everything is a coincidence'.
I don't feel I could add much more to this topic, as you've stated my own opinions quite well. | HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
Hey there. I am a Muslim, so my beliefs are similar in many ways to Christians and Jews. As Muslims, we believe that Jesus will come back 40 years before the end of the world to save the righteous and try to make the sinners become better people, etc...
I was wondering, what is the Christians' belief on this concept? Is it the same? Thanks. |
I’ll summarize the Christian belief which I hold. Basically at some point in the future, Jesus Christ will return to defeat Satan’s forces (including humans serving the Antichrist), save Israel from certain destruction (Battle of Armageddon), and usher in a peaceful reign of 1,000 years. After that peaceful millennium, Satan will be released from hell “for a short time.” Satan will then be allowed to deceive the nations once more before his final defeat and permanent imprisonment in hell.
From what I have seen, the web page below provides a fairly good summary of biblical references for Christ’s second coming. However it doesn’t seem to cover much of the Old Testament prophecies regarding the end times that go hand-in-hand with the New Testament prophecies. (Admittedly I have not perused this site very thoroughly, so it may actually cover those references under another topic.)
http://www.christinyou.net/pages/secondcoming.html
This is a very basic overview without going into too much detail. But I hope I was able to provide some insight.
Respectfully,
MActually before going into all this i would like to know if Jesus was a Myth
I have come across very many references which says so with compelling evidence and no evidence
If this is to accepted I don't know why we should think if a person who was a myth or at most an interesting and a humble person should come back again
It depends....and I wish I were being vague. He's a very hard person to prove that He even existed; some historians say He did, but it's pretty much limited to "teacher in Judea who created a ruckus and got crucified" (and, in some cases, that's pretty lengthy). So it's hard to prove that He existed....
HM
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It depends....and I wish I were being vague. He's a very hard person to prove that He even existed; some historians say He did, but it's pretty much limited to "teacher in Judea who created a ruckus and got crucified" (and, in some cases, that's pretty lengthy). So it's hard to prove that He existed....
HM |
I would have to agree. The only 'authority' that claims he did exist is the bible itself.
For balance I will give you 2 references - the first from an atheist perspective and the second from a Christian perspective.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.htmlThe second points out the problem rather succinctly and shows the historical record, such as it is. As noted, the problem is not whether or not you can show that Jesus Christ may have existed, but to what degree. It's definitely one of the more interesting historical issues.
The first, although it points out the problem, tends to rely on too many assumptions than facts. For example, it's not likely that St. Mark would call his book "The Gospel According To St. Mark" for more reasons than just that saints didn't exist; most likely there was no title when it was originally created and it was added when the King James version was first created. Although it does make a valid point re: however, it tends to exaggerate the issue rather than fully explore. Of course, just as I would be skeptical of the Christian account for the obvious reasons, I'm also skeptical of something that discredits the notion on a logical basis rather than actual research.
HM
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Some Islamic scholars consider the descent of Jesus as a person would be contrary to the divine wisdom of God Almighty. They rather think that it will take place as a descent of a "collective spiritual personality." Some other scholars have interpreted Qur'anic verses and Traditions in a different way. Bediuzzaman, on the other hand, while not discarding the possibility of Jesus' descent as a person, stresses the spiritual personality more, and interprets this descent as the conformity of the Christian world to Islam. He also argues that the descent of Jesus as a person might not be a distant possibility: "The Glorious Sovereign, Who sends angels from heavens to the Earth at all times, Who sometimes transforms them into human form as did Gabriel into Dihya (a Companion of the Prophet), Who make the spiritual beings from the realm of spirits come to this world in the form of a man, or late saints in an imaginary body, would certainly dress Jesus in a human form who is alive and resides in the worldly sky, even if he had gone to the farthest end of the afterlife and was really dead, and would send him for such a substantial result." Bediuzzaman never went further into these details which exist in certain reports.
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http://en.fgulen.com/content/view/1941/7/=O I think someone like Jesus existed with the exception of being the son of god and all that rhetoric. I really haven't looked into it, but I imagine someone like him existed. But I think he was merely a "rebel" to say the least. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to practice Christianity was prohibited by law back then? So honestly I just think he was a rebel against the current laws of the time and he attempted to push forward Christianity so it could be practiced openly. And obviously umm he wasn't accepted by the leaders of the time and so he was crucified just as all other criminals were back then. Obviously I have no evidence to back this up nor do I know if my facts are even straight but meh
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| liljp617 wrote: | | When younger, I was always under the impression that religious people were to accept and attempt to convert non-believers passively. I've come to realize that religious people only judge and insult aggressively. Word of advice, don't post on a public forum acting superior to others and judging them for what they follow if you want people to think you're really religious. I don't deem you a religious person -.- |
Er...To what are you referring? Bikerman is not a religious person, so it can't refer to him, and no one else is really recruiting. Also, the Half-Blood Prince is basically a legitimate question. Read: This is sort of the religious forum, where people tend to discuss and ask questions regarding, well, religion.
So...outside of being random, what exactly are you referring to?
HM |
| HalfBloodPrince wrote: |
| As I said, I asked what the CHRISTIANS' belief is, not the atheist's, because quite frankly I don't care for their opinion, since everything is a 'coincidence'. |
That's nothing more than a pure stab at what other people follow. He knows this and attempted to poke fun at it as if it meant nothing. And so I stick by my previous post, because if anything, that is exactly what Christianity preaches against. And yes, this is a religious forum. This being a religious forum warrants insults no more than it would if this were a non-religious forum.What I believe is supposed to happen is that The reightous get brought up, and then the nonreightous are left down to suffer through a lot of bad stuff. At the end, Christ will show up.
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| What I believe is supposed to happen is that The reightous get brought up, and then the nonreightous are left down to suffer through a lot of bad stuff. At the end, Christ will show up. |
Why do you believe this? What do you mean when you say the righteous will be 'brought up'? | liljp617 wrote: |
| . And yes, this is a religious forum. This being a religious forum warrants insults no more than it would if this were a non-religious forum. |
I this a religious forum or is it a forum on religion
I guess there is a differenceThere is a diffrence. This is a forum about religion. A religious forum would most likely embrace religion and not question it. Intention of people here is that we talk about it and discuss about it. Not that we back up things we already think to know.
Well, I would say that, since it is a 'religion and philosophy' forum, the intent should be to approach questions of religion from a philosophical stance. That would mean discussing logically and with support for contentious points, rather than simply stating a belief repeatedly. There are plenty of forums on the internet for Christians (and other religious folk) to simply post platitudes and good wishes to each other, and whilst I have no wish (or means) to censor the content of this forum, I would suggest that it should seek to examine religious ideas with some rigour.
