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"Allah" forbidden in Malaysia





Davidgr1200
According to Swedish newspapers (see http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=148&a=728523) the name "Allah" is not allowed to be said by non-muslims in Malaysia. Apart from the idea being preposterous, it does bring back memories from old Monty Python sketches. For example, is one allowed to say "Hallah" (with or without a silent H)? How about Alla or alah or aallah or even allaah? Chicken a la king anyone? Alas and alack?
asim
Salam all

i guess this is very bad and should be allowed, such laws not only create discrimination but also land in to create RIOT.... i have been to such thing's and faced riots so dont want anything thing to be such and that toooo by law... becoz nobody can enforse law... well what if a non-muslim wants to convert muslim??
Aless
Ah good ol' Monty Python...amazing how that stuff can be relevant even in today's world. Just goes to show that nothing ever changes!
Agent ME
They're banned from saying a word? How does that work exactly? You say it, and someone calls the cops on you? Or is the other person legally entitled to kill you or something?

What if you get a little kid to say it? Are they legally responsible?
pawelsz
I don't understand it. What's wrong with saying it? Or I don't know? Anyway, it's stupid idea to ban such a word.
hunnyhiteshseth
Davidgr1200 wrote:
According to Swedish newspapers (see http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=148&a=728523) the name "Allah" is not allowed to be said by non-muslims in Malaysia. Apart from the idea being preposterous, it does bring back memories from old Monty Python sketches. For example, is one allowed to say "Hallah" (with or without a silent H)? How about Alla or alah or aallah or even allaah? Chicken a la king anyone? Alas and alack?


Well you cannot beleive a newspaper blindly. I would first like someone from Malaysia to confirm this before commenting on anything.
sonam
Quote:
According to Swedish newspapers (see http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=148&a=728523) the name "Allah" is not allowed to be said by non-muslims in Malaysia.


I don't know is this truth but if is, it is very stupid idea. Where we will go if some countries not allowed to be said the name "Isus" for non-christians.

Sonam
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HalfBloodPrince
Davidgr1200 wrote:
According to Swedish newspapers (see http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=148&a=728523) the name "Allah" is not allowed to be said by non-muslims in Malaysia.


I have heard nothing about this on BBC, CNN, or any other news channel that would use this to further anti-Muslim steryotypes, so I highly doubt it happened.

A source please?
MadeinIndia
Muslim countries are going mad. They don't know that their actions are preposterous and downright crazy. Like this rape victim in Saudi Arabia who herself is punished for being raped!!! Can you imagine anything worse than that?

Malaysia has in fact recently attacked its own citizens. The ethnic Indians, who are being treated like shit in their birth country just demanded equal rights with the rest of the Malaysian citizens and when denied, protested. The Malaysian police attacked them, beat them up and even jailed many of them.

What's their fault? They are non-muslims. This is the democracy you get in Muslim nations. While Muslims shout and demand for their equal rights in Non-Muslim countries and also get them, what about their own countries?

Muslims should realize that the world is sick and tired of their double standards. You can't have the cake and eat it too! I really don't understand whats the problem in living in peace? Why can't we do that?
smarter
HalfBloodPrince wrote:
Davidgr1200 wrote:
According to Swedish newspapers (see http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=148&a=728523) the name "Allah" is not allowed to be said by non-muslims in Malaysia.


I have heard nothing about this on BBC, CNN, or any other news channel that would use this to further anti-Muslim steryotypes, so I highly doubt it happened.

A source please?


Reuters: Malaysia faces Christian outcry over word "Allah"
BBC: Malaysian row over word for 'God'

Associated Press quoted an official about the use of this word by non-Muslims: "This is a design to confuse the Muslim people."

Latest development: Malaysia reverses Allah paper ban

PS: Any government has its share of idiots!
liljp617
MadeinIndia wrote:
Muslim countries are going mad. They don't know that their actions are preposterous and downright crazy. Like this rape victim in Saudi Arabia who herself is punished for being raped!!! Can you imagine anything worse than that?

Malaysia has in fact recently attacked its own citizens. The ethnic Indians, who are being treated like shit in their birth country just demanded equal rights with the rest of the Malaysian citizens and when denied, protested. The Malaysian police attacked them, beat them up and even jailed many of them.

What's their fault? They are non-muslims. This is the democracy you get in Muslim nations. While Muslims shout and demand for their equal rights in Non-Muslim countries and also get them, what about their own countries?

Muslims should realize that the world is sick and tired of their double standards. You can't have the cake and eat it too! I really don't understand whats the problem in living in peace? Why can't we do that?

She was never being punished for the rape. She was being punished because of the rules/laws placed on women. She was being punished because she broke the non-male escort law. Not only that, but the original punishment was 90 lashes, then she spoke to the media about it (another broken law) and it was upped to 200 lashes. Obviously, I'm not trying to defend the laws themselves, but your information is quite skewed. She was never being punished for being raped. Either way it doesn't matter, because the punishment was dropped by the Saudi Arabian leaders.

And by the way, the Middle East is just as tired with Western interference and acts of superiority. It's a two way road. This law is obviously absurd just as many of their laws, but that doesn't mean anything. They feel the same way about the majority of our culture, government, behaviors, etc.
HalfBloodPrince
And she admitted to having sex with her -ex boyfriend in the car before the gang got there.
weiwei
i dun think this is true..
i m from malaysia, and i never heard a thing like tat..

where u heard it? Shocked

ps: malaysia not a islamic country, is multiraces country, ty.
SonLight
The original issue was not a banning of ALL use of the word Allah by non-muslims, but merely whether a certain newspaper could use it, according to the BBC report linked to above ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7164872.stm ). That story says they have reversed the ban -- which was actually a condition they were going to impose on the newspaper's license to operate.

It appears almost everyone thought the action was foolish and discriminatory. On the other hand, if the newspaper had a practice of denigrating the Muslim religion, some sort of restriction might have made sense, although it would never fly in a country like the US where we have a strong commitment to a free press, whether responsible or irresponsible.
smarter
SonLight wrote:
The original issue was not a banning of ALL use of the word Allah by non-muslims, but merely whether a certain newspaper could use it, according to the BBC report linked to above ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7164872.stm ). That story says they have reversed the ban -- which was actually a condition they were going to impose on the newspaper's license to operate.

It appears almost everyone thought the action was foolish and discriminatory. On the other hand, if the newspaper had a practice of denigrating the Muslim religion, some sort of restriction might have made sense, although it would never fly in a country like the US where we have a strong commitment to a free press, whether responsible or irresponsible.


Just READ before making wrong accusations.

Quotes from Reuters article:
Quote:

The dispute came out in the open after Malaysia's internal security ministry ruled recently the term Allah -- long used by Christians in Malaysia to refer to God -- could no longer be used by non-Muslims.

The government clampdown could force Kuala Lumpur-based "Herald - the Catholic Weekly" newspaper to lose its publishing permit if it failed to drop the word Allah in its publication, the publisher said.

The publisher, the Archbishop of Kuala Lumpur, said on Thursday it had filed a lawsuit challenging the state order.


...or the title of the BBC article: "A church and Christian newspaper in Malaysia are suing the government after it decreed that the word "Allah" can only be used by Muslims."

Also FYI just ask yourself how the Arab Christians referred to God centuries before Mohammed.
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SonLight
smarter, I certainly do not mean to wrongly accuse anyone. It appears I may have somewhat understated the extent of the issue, having read only one story which told of the license being issued to the newspaper. I posted primarily because I felt others had overstated the issue.

It appears there were two specific cases where warnings were given. A church was forbidden to import some books or pamphlets containing the word Allah, and the newspaper was warned not to use the word Allah. The newspaper's annual renewal license was delayed, but they did get it after a delay. It appears a government official did make a fairly general statement that non-Muslims should not use the word Allah, but it is not clear how widely he thought the restriction should be imposed. Here is his comment, from:

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=961&Itemid=34

Quote:
According to Deputy Internal Security Minister Johari Baharum, “Only Muslims can use ‘Allah’. It’s a Muslim word, you see. It’s from (the Arabic language). We cannot let other religions use it because it will confuse people,” he was reported as saying. “We cannot allow this use of ‘Allah’ in non-Muslim publications, nobody except Muslims. The word ‘Allah’ is published by the Catholics. It’s not right.”


This, from the same page, would tend to indicate that the ban has doubtful official status.

Quote:
The internal security ministry, which issues the permits, had given no reasons for the earlier ban but the unusual delay in getting the permit renewed followed warnings over the Herald’s use of the word "Allah."


Apparently, both the newspaper and the church have officially complained about the restrictions on their activities, claiming Allah is the proper word for God, whether referring to God as he is understood by Mulim, Christian, or Jew.
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