A Muslim saved a Jewish lady from being attacked on a subway by a group of people that were shouting Merry Christmas when she yelled Happy Hannuka in return.
A great example of humanity and of the great spirit of people in New York. Of course, it's also a great example of thuggary in New York.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/12/12/2007-12-12_muslim_hero_breaks_up_train_beating-1.html oh man bet this doesn't get reported on foxnews..that would ruin their "all muslims want to do is kill" stereotype
great story btw
you surprised me! 
i thought you believe a muslim cannot be a good guy.
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even this post shows how prejudice you have against muslims because this post should have been sent to discuss world news This is a good post - even people 'under the influence' of a religion may have a brain!! This is the common thought in my country that too religious people are mentally sick - or let say underintelligent...
There are so many hostile religions in this world... It's time to make 'em see clearer and take away the 'hostile' from the religions!!!!!!
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oh man bet this doesn't get reported on foxnews..that would ruin their "all muslims want to do is kill" stereotype
great story btw |
I've seen several of these types of stories. Fox is one of the best in the MSM for drawing a line between real Islam and radical Islam.
But then, you don't really know WHAT Fox does, do you? If you did, you'd know there WERE stories on Fox about it.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec12/0,4670,HanukkahAttackHelper,00.html
You just say what the liberal mind-set tells you to say, don't you? 
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you surprised me! |
You don't surprise me, you're very predictable.
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i thought you believe a muslim cannot be a good guy. |
Just the statement that "you thought" caught me off guard. I guess no matter HOW MANY TIMES I TELL YOU that I hate radical Islam, not Islam, you still haven't heard me.
Figures. People that hate, will hate no matter what.
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even this post shows how prejudice you have against muslims |
More rhetoric trying to make a racist out of me, I see. How very racist of you.
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because this post should have been sent to discuss world news |
Why? It's one religion that basically hates another religion, working together. Does it bother you that much that a Muslim helped a Jew?? Then move it. Oh, wait, it's not up to you, is it?
Mkthksbye | Billy Hill wrote: |
| liljp617 wrote: | oh man bet this doesn't get reported on foxnews..that would ruin their "all muslims want to do is kill" stereotype
great story btw |
I've seen several of these types of stories. Fox is one of the best in the MSM for drawing a line between real Islam and radical Islam.
But then, you don't really know WHAT Fox does, do you? If you did, you'd know there WERE stories on Fox about it.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec12/0,4670,HanukkahAttackHelper,00.html
You just say what the liberal mind-set tells you to say, don't you? |
Pretty much. Any "news" station that has Ann Coulter on constantly is not a friend of mine and offer very little good to the media. FoxNews is terrible. To deny it is a joke. Pretty much everything they do is unintentional satire.
And drawing a line between real Islam and radical Islam? Have you watched Fox? You know, the anchors and hosts who endorse torturing of "terrorists" and endorse the wrong reasons radical Islam even exists...
But obviously, that's not the point of this thread and I'll leave it at this: Anyone who thinks the major news media stations (yes, even the liberal-based news stations) are good for getting correct, truthful information is deluded or brainwashed.Fox news is regarded by many as the most biased news channel on mainstream media. Others cite CBS as the most biased with Fox coming 2nd.
There is no doubt that Fox is a highly conservative outlet and takes a decidedly pro-Rebublican stance with reportage in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies | Quote: |
Why? It's one religion that basically hates another religion, working together. Does it bother you that much that a Muslim helped a Jew?? Then move it. Oh, wait, it's not up to you, is it?
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again you surprised me 
when someone talks about something at least he supposed to know basic facts.
i surprised about your question
-does it bother me that much a muslim helped a jew.
when you see the man who helped to jewish lady,you don't see a human being but you see a muslim.
this is what we call religional racism.
when your barbaric christian ancestors were slaying jews from middle aged spain to hitler's germany.
who did help to jews.
---even the ancestors of mr.sarkozy of france were rescued by the ottoman turks.
read and learn
http://www.science.co.il/hi/Turkish/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Turkey
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The most prominent sub-group consists of the descendants of the Jews expelled from Spain in 1492, who settled in various parts of the Ottoman Empire, in particular Salonica and Istanbul, and whose traditional language is Ladino.
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http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-09/2005-09-20-voa65.cfm?CFID=171962821&CFTOKEN=71763851I just have to say, "Way to go, Hassan!!!"
The world needs more people like this guy, people who are willing to step in and do the right thing. If more people were like this, the thugs wouldn't stand a chance.
The world is full of people of all religions and nationalities who are more than happy to help others without basing their decision on religion. Only a tiny percentage of these good deeds ever get reported because they're not sensational, they're not newsworthy, they don't increase viewer- or reader-ship for the reporters, and they don't increase income for the media companies.
Only extremism is guaranteed to do that. The media encourages extremism by sensationalising it. Most news agencies should be blacklisted for their support of terrorism.
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Fox news is regarded by many as the most biased news channel on mainstream media. Others cite CBS as the most biased with Fox coming 2nd.
There is no doubt that Fox is a highly conservative outlet and takes a decidedly pro-Rebublican stance with reportage in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies |
Well, since everything is about balance, something has to counter the rediculous liberal bias in the media.
At any rate, that's not the point of my post... I feel kind of like this is a small step thing. And hopefully people can learn from it. You see, yes, people are different, but aren't we all human in the end?For what it's worth, it was reported in my local paper. But why does the religion of those involved matter so much? Isn't it much more important that someone defended another for enough time for that person to get help? Or do we really need labels that much?
HM
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The world is full of people of all religions and nationalities who are more than happy to help others without basing their decision on religion. Only a tiny percentage of these good deeds ever get reported because they're not sensational, they're not newsworthy, they don't increase viewer- or reader-ship for the reporters, and they don't increase income for the media companies.
Only extremism is guaranteed to do that. The media encourages extremism by sensationalising it. Most news agencies should be blacklisted for their support of terrorism. |
actuallyl i agree with you, but why these good people -people of all religions and nationalities who are more than happy to help others without basing their decision on religion.- let to media manipulate this things.The main thing here is that a man helped a woman, even by their religious background. It is racist to think that all Muslims are killers, Christians are no better, but it’s not about what religion you have as long as you are taught the right things by your parents. There are god and bad people everywhere, it’s a matter of how you think, I don’t hate people for their background, wither they are Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, Jehovah, or if they are gay or straight, for me it’s about how good person you are.
I think it was great that he helped her, and the fact that he didn’t care that she was a Jew was great, in this case it’s the Christians that has a problem.
It's important to not stop helping others because they are different
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when your barbaric christian ancestors were slaying jews from middle aged spain to hitler's germany.
who did help to jews.
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When are you (and the rest of (radical) Islam) going to stop living in the past and join modern humanity? | Billy Hill wrote: |
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when your barbaric christian ancestors were slaying jews from middle aged spain to hitler's germany.
who did help to jews.
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When are you (and the rest of (radical) Islam) going to stop living in the past and join modern humanity? |
OH another god-given right,you decide who is radical or not 
i am not living in the past.
just you asked a question -if a muslim help a jew ,this bothers me or not- remember??
and i made it clear ,in the past and now there is no bothering for me to help jews or other people in a different religion.
what or who is radical we can discuss. you know a good catholic christian can not divorce. is this make him/her radical or not?
in muslim world when you talk about radicalism there are two sects
-iran
-saudi arabia
what a lovely couple.
they like each other.
both of them radical.
http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2006/interviews/060828-jordan-interview.html
did you think about my question?-exorcism-i'm newish to this forum but religious bickering is found all over - and everybody usually thinks they are right.
hhuuummm
if we all could agree that "religious institutions" are man made the world would sure be a better place with more fun in it and less bile.
"faith" is a very personal thing - that's between ourselves and each individula's god.
"religion" is an artificial construct by man to express his/her "faith". get man involved and things bound to go haywire.
after all, we are all people. it's really quite simple. a bit of respect and tolerance usually goes a long way. it does't even need understanding.
cheers
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| "religion" is an artificial construct by man to express his/her "faith". get man involved and things bound to go haywire. |
Concur. What gets me is that someone actually still believes that their "higher up" is telling them to "kill the infidel"
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after all, we are all people. it's really quite simple. a bit of respect and tolerance usually goes a long way. it does't even need understanding. |
Yes, we are all people. Unfortunately, some groups of these "religious people" are more radical, hateful and barbaric than others, and refuse to get with modern times. | Billy Hill wrote: |
Yes, we are all people. Unfortunately, some groups of these "religious people" are more radical, hateful and barbaric than others, and refuse to get with modern times. |
It's almost like they are human. Oh, wait.. they are. Since they are human, they have the same problems and behaviour as all humans. So, it would be strange if only non-religious people would have some groups of people which are more radical, hateful and barbaric than others, and refuse to get with modern times. Just like these groups exist among non-religious people, they are bound to exist among religious people.
Menschliches, Allzumenschliches | MrBlueSky wrote: |
| Billy Hill wrote: |
Yes, we are all people. Unfortunately, some groups of these "religious people" are more radical, hateful and barbaric than others, and refuse to get with modern times. |
It's almost like they are human. Oh, wait.. they are. Since they are human, they have the same problems and behaviour as all humans. So, it would be strange if only non-religious people would have some groups of people which are more radical, hateful and barbaric than others, and refuse to get with modern times. Just like these groups exist among non-religious people, they are bound to exist among religious people.
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Since this particular subject is about religion, two very specific religions, lets keep it on topic, shall we? We all know there are groups everywhere that are not "up to today's standards". If you want to discuss that, like the stupidity of Americans, take it elsewhere.
This thread is about a group of people extorting a religion to the point that it generates natural hate of another group simply because they exist. It tries to show that there is a difference between those radical, barbaric entities and the civil ones who are sitting idly by while their "peaceful" religion is tainted and twisted into a hateful, power-hungry, intolerant pseudo religion that doesn't care about human life or the rights of anyone that isn't of that belief.
Kthnks
Whatever. Enjoy yourself.
I don't want to be a nitpicker but your story is more than inaccurate!
The story is more like this:
A bunch of 10 stupid young people shouted "Merry Christmas" in provocation to a group of 3 people carrying some Jewish religious stuff. One of the 3, a Catholic woman, shouted back "Happy Chanukah" and was spat in the face. Then the man from the group of 3 and a third person who tried to be the peacemaker were punched in the face.
Except the "peacemaker", who HAPPENED to be a Muslim, none of those people acted as they were required by their religion.
Anyway, don't put too much "faith" in these type of news because they usually are distorted or incomplete. | HereticMonkey wrote: |
For what it's worth, it was reported in my local paper. But why does the religion of those involved matter so much? Isn't it much more important that someone defended another for enough time for that person to get help? Or do we really need labels that much?
HM |
i totally agree
it's really very simple. whatever the story REALLY was, one person found enough care, humanity and courage in him/herself to help another person in an unpleasant situation.
that's two PEOPLE. what their religion, coclour, nationality was is totally irrelevant.
if we all could think like that this world would be a much nicer place with more compassion, love and RESPECT for each other.
but then again, this wouldn't sell any newspapers.
cheersGood onhim
He must be Aussie 
