What's your take on death?
Are you nonchalant about your mortality? Puzzled, or just plain scared?
And what do you think "happens" to you after yoou die? Another phase? Nothing? Or re-incarnation?
Do tell, what's your relationship with death....
'Death' is just when this body stops functioning - but I am not my body so I will probably get another body (a new one). But perhaps I regroup to the guardian task I used to have. .. I have some vague memories of being some sort of guardian 'before going around this body'...
Bhagvad Gita says
" Vaasamsi jirnany yathaa vihay navaani grihanaati naroparaani
Tathaa sharirani vihaay jirnaanyanaani samyaati navaanidehi "
It means just like a man changes from old clothes to new cloths, similarly at the time of death, the spirit soul gives upold body and chooses a new one.
Body is destructible but the soul is indestructible. So the death is just the migration of the soul from one body to the another.
| amicalindia wrote: |
| Body is destructible but the soul is indestructible. So the death is just the migration of the soul from one body to the another. |
That does not follow because:
1) It assumes there is such a thing as a soul - there is no evidence that I am aware of for that assumption.
2) Even if we accept that the soul exists, it does not follow that it is indestructable
3) Even if an indestructable soul exists it does not follow that it will migrate to a new body after death.
If you believe that the soul does exist, is indestructable and migrates then it begs a couple of questions..
1) When does the migration occur? Birth? Fertilisation of the egg?
2) Does the migrating soul displace an existing soul or does a newborn not have a soul of it's own?
2a) Given that the population is increasing it seems reasonable to suppose that new souls must be coming into existence continually, otherwise there would not be enough existing souls to go around...
2b) If the migrating soul does displace an existing soul then where does the existing soul get 'migrated' to?I am scared beyond belief of death. I know that many people will call me illogical, but for consistency's sake I suppose I should mention that I am terrified of general anaesthetic and even, occasionally, of falling asleep. I hate the idea of an unconcious abyss.
So yes. As it stands, I suppose I believe in a horrific nothingness. That said, I have been considering the claims of Christianity (which currently seems to me to be the most plausible religion, but we're not discussing that!) for goodness knows how long, so my alternative solution would be a paradisical, simultaneous/timeless(?) eternity as the Bride of Christ, ladidah, etc.
| meet in rio wrote: |
| I am scared beyond belief of death. I know that many people will call me illogical, but for consistency's sake I suppose I should mention that I am terrified of general anaesthetic and even, occasionally, of falling asleep. I hate the idea of an unconcious abyss. |
It is a disconcerting idea - the idea that you stop and that is it. It doesn't have to be frightening though - don't think of it as an abyss.
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So yes. As it stands, I suppose I believe in a horrific nothingness. That said, I have been considering the claims of Christianity (which currently seems to me to be the most plausible religion, but we're not discussing that!) for goodness knows how long, so my alternative solution would be a paradisical, simultaneous/timeless(?) eternity as the Bride of Christ, ladidah, etc. |
Why is nothingness 'horrific'? | Bikerman wrote: |
| Why is nothingness 'horrific'? |
It horrifies me - need I justify that? I've felt this way all my life and there is no reason for it. I can't be argued out of it: it's not a position I'm defending.
Edit: Sorry, that sounded a bit rude. I didn't mean it to be so. | meet in rio wrote: |
| Bikerman wrote: | | Why is nothingness 'horrific'? |
It horrifies me - need I justify that? I've felt this way all my life and there is no reason for it. I can't be argued out of it: it's not a position I'm defending.
Edit: Sorry, that sounded a bit rude. I didn't mean it to be so. |
No offence taken.Personally I tend to look at it as the last great adventure. I'm in no hurry to get there, but I am curious to see what comes next, if anything does. What scares me is the idea of being in pain before I die. There are a few ways to go out that are quiet and painless, but there are far more ways that are screaming horror and pain (car accident, plane crash, fire, etc..), or slow lingering pain and discomfort (cancer, AIDS, various other progressive and debilitating diseases or just plain old age).
So no, I'm not afraid of death, but I am afraid of dying.
At this point in time, death perplexes me. I don't feel I have much solid evidence to draw any worthwhile conclusion at the moment. Who knows, perhaps my revelation is waiting...
I'm not afraid to die but I'm afraid of the pain I can feel before I die. I think it's nothing after death so life doesn't matter when you are dead.
| Bikerman wrote: |
If you believe that the soul does exist, is indestructable and migrates then it begs a couple of questions..
1) When does the migration occur? Birth? Fertilisation of the egg?
2) Does the migrating soul displace an existing soul or does a newborn not have a soul of it's own?
2a) Given that the population is increasing it seems reasonable to suppose that new souls must be coming into existence continually, otherwise there would not be enough existing souls to go around...
2b) If the migrating soul does displace an existing soul then where does the existing soul get 'migrated' to? |
Responses:
1) More likely migration triggers things rather than other way round
2) Same again
3) What if there's some sort of evolution towards highter, more advanced species? no question of population increase then...
4)I don't know what 'displacement' means... That'd be a pertient question if one person drops dead and 'wakes up' after a time with another soul inside it. I've never seen that... 
Okay, we don't know anything about these things anyway, do we? Not likely that we'd ever know, too.
I've read some theories about the questions raised above which explain things quite satisfactorily without any religious overtones to the explanations - The advaida vedanta framework, for one.
Of course, all these are theories...
All I know is that there is a mystery, I don't know if there is a key to it.I totally believe that there is no other physical life after death but only heaven or hell
| amicalindia wrote: |
| Body is destructible but the soul is indestructible. So the death is just the migration of the soul from one body to the another. |
who decides for this migrations ?
i mean who arranges all this chaos.
there are billions of creatures who have souls.
which soul will take which body; who decides this.We were there at a place known as 'Alam-e-Arwah' or the land of souls.
When a baby reaches 6 month in womb, the soul is delivered into the body.
it is actually the soul that makes decision, chooses the path of life, purpose etc.
At the time of death, the soul leaves the body to another place known as 'Alam-e-Barzakh' where they stay uptil the day of reserection.
On that day, all souls will be gathered again and will answer GOD individually of thier beleifs and deeds in the world. Then they will either get rewards or punishment (Heaves amd Hell).
So the most important thing in this life is to make GOD happy by beleiving in him and his prophets and following his orders that were delivered through prophet. GOD is the creator of every thing and love his creation and all is orders are pro-creatures, that is in the benifits of us. There is no descretion of violence, cruelity any where but as a matter of rules and there are rules and punishments in a state to keep things running and peaceful and keep mischeif at minimum, GOD has ordered for some punishments in the worls as well but the the best way is to make people repent and turn to GOD and then they can save both punishments (here and here after). So the way is open for every one.
| divya wrote: |
What's your take on death?
Are you nonchalant about your mortality? Puzzled, or just plain scared?
And what do you think "happens" to you after you die? Another phase? Nothing? Or re-incarnation?
Do tell, what's your relationship with death.... |
My way is the most hideous... we will die and... that's it! I don't believe in souls, religion & stuff.
Crazy but I think is the truth.... When you study chemistry, physiology, physics you will learn that something is energy and... that's it! You eat -> chemical reactions -> energy -> heart beats... you grow older... you die.
I am scared about death but I try not to think about it so much...
Call me crazy but when I travel in the buses I'm seeing dead people... I try to see people dead... because this is the way...
I have many ideas about... catalyzing... we are using this in chemistry, let's use it also in life... and WE DO by driving fast, consuming and so... You hurry living, maybe the death is closing fast... | burqe wrote: |
We were there at a place known as 'Alam-e-Arwah' or the land of souls.
When a baby reaches 6 month in womb, the soul is delivered into the body. |
Why 6 months? Does that mean that abortion is OK before 6 months?
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| it is actually the soul that makes decision, chooses the path of life, purpose etc. |
All the evidence that we have suggests that decisions are a results of physical activity within the brain - this can be confirmed by observation of the behaviours of brain-damaged individuals before and after the damage occurs. Does this mean that the soul is physically manifested in the brain?Death Comes for us all in due time. Being afraid of it makes no sense and is unhealthy. We should all except that death will claim us all in tme and then make the most of our life till then
My question is... if we will die anyway, why we are fair-play? Why we aren't bitches, thiefs, killers, etc...
This why religion was made up...
| ciureanuc wrote: |
My question is... if we will die anyway, why we are fair-play? Why we aren't bitches, thiefs, killers, etc...
This why religion was made up... |
You could ask the same question about wolves, dogs, bears etc. The fact is that there is a survival advantage to be gained from co-operation within one's own species (let's face it, our record with other species is pretty bad generally). Social behaviour is selected for by evolution and I would be pretty sure there is a genetic component as well as a learned behavioural element. We see this in most, if not all, animal species, and it is certainly evident in all the higher primate mammals, so there is nothing unusual, much less unique in this type of behaviour.Death is depressing to think about, and I'd like to find a way to avoid it.
| RubySlasher wrote: |
| Death is depressing to think about, and I'd like to find a way to avoid it. |
The best bet would be a full-frontal lobotomy then....that should do it.Yeah avoiding death would be cool;) no I m not really thinking of it, also I guess it's final..
I went through major thought processes growing up regarding death, starting from nihilism all the way now to a belief in Heaven as well as Reincarnation. Sometimes I back into a more nihilistic frame of mind where I don't even think I exist now so death means nothing, to something more mild like thinking when we die that's it. Most of the time, though I have the view that I'll spend some time in heaven or on another astral plane, maybe get reincarnated.
But death in particular...I used to be afraid of it. But because of depression and anxiety issues that started setting in when I was ten or so, I went through a very suicidal phase, even attempted it once. For a while there, I could say I was in love with the concept of death. But now, I'm nuetral towards it. I'm not afraid, I know it will happen, and when it does, it does.
