THE WORLD WILL END IN 2012...

...is what the Mayans believed. Can someone please shed some light on me as to who they were, where they got this belief (which I don't support, of course), when they were, etc...?

Please don't just give me a link, I don't want to read articles, just summarize it here please.

The quick version, then: The Mayan calendar was based on huge cycles of time, with destruction and rebirth at the end of period. However, there was a definite to the cycles, where the world will be no more, finally destroyed with no rebirth. This last cycle ends Decemeber 2011 (or 2012, depending on who says it, but it's usually 2011)...

HM

the mayas don't think the world will be destroyed. They think a new cycle starts, and when it does there will be big changes which will destroy a lot at first but that's needed to make it better.

Oh...this may be a stupid question, but are there Mayans today? I don't mean Mayan-fanatics, I mean real ones..?

Their calendar ends on the winter solstice. The Mayans were obsessed with timekeeping, and extremely good at it, so I think it's valid that something big may happen. That begs the question "What will happen?"

If I'm correct (meaning I don't know if that's already calculated in) but I'm pretty sure the Mayans didn't start their calender at the birth of Jesus like we did, so...conflicting event times?

Wow, WW3 does sound like a candidate for that 'big something'... Neutral

Since Word war 3 means the end of the world, well at least the end of us, since its going to be nuclear...

Like what were the previous incidences that they cite as the end/start of eras. It may help us analyze thier belief.

The belief in the cyclical rising and falling of world ages is not limited to the Maya. Look up Vishnu taking the form of a boar and rescuing Privthi, the earth goddess, from the sea that results from the world-ending flood...

People love armageddon. It was supposed to happen in 2000, then 2001, and now 2012. We'll find another reason to anticipate the end of the world after that. I think the Mayan system for tracking Venus is far more remarkable than some doomsday prophesy...

I think 2012 marked the time when they were supposed to go home or something. Like to outer space.
I think most of them already did, though.

Didn't Nostradamus also predict that the world will end in 2012? What is so important about that date?

According to the Bible the world won't end very soon... there's still time over a 1000 years. Wink

Btw over 80% of all Bible profesies have been fulfilled and under 20 for Jesus to come back!!! Very Happy

To me, according to the Bible, Jesus will come back and take His church (as the Bible says, again) to heaven before the end but there's nothing there that could make Christians believe in any date. The Bible just "talk" about the signs of the end and does not speak in years (because again, according to the Bible, God's time is very different of our time).

So, 2012 can be the end? Yes, I believe it can, but I also believe that can be 2008 or 2058 or any random year since Jesus didn't say when He'd take us and come back.

But my personal opinion is: many people has talked about 2012 and so will be waiting... My guess is that the world can end in 2012 if God wants, but there are so many people waiting already, I think God will make it when nobody is expecting and all the talking about the end calm down.

but is just my humble opinion

i believe the world will end when i finish my bowl of chicken and leek soup. The reasons for this are as follows:

Its a completely absurd idea but no more so than most predictions that have been made. As a Christian I dont take revelations literally. Anyone who does really shoud have their noggin examined. The bible gives some very vague suiggestions as to what MAY happen, not what WILL happen so a turtle in a tutu has just as good a guess as a well read biblical scholar.

Back to the soup. The combination of Chicken, leeks, and iother delightful things i have put in this soup mean that when i get to the end of it my hunger will cease to exist. My stomach is actually the center of the universe and shergar, marylin monroe and elvis all live inside it. I hjappen to know that shergar really doesnt like leeks so when that gets sploshed all over him he womt be happy and he will hit the self desrtuct button of my stomach cavities living quarters.

Now this will set of a chain reaction resulting ni my whole digestive system becoming unstable, thus the center if the universe becomeing unstable, thus the workds end.....or it could simply be a fart.

The only way, from what I know, I could predict the end of the world, is that it could be caused by our capitalist societies pushing too far the limits of our environment.

Further than that, I'm no expert in astrology or physics, and am troubled by how the Mayans could get to such a conclusion.

NO ONE KNOWS WHEN ANYTHING WILL HAPPEN.

The fact of the matter is no-one can predict the future. All one can do is prepare.

Oh my god we all are going to die;)

Well...I guess we're all going to die some day...

I doubt we will all die in 2012. If there is any truth to the prophecies, which I'm not saying there isn't, then it wold most likely just bring about mass change in the world.

I dont have a lot of time right now so I cant look it up exactly, but I remember hearing someone speak about prophecies in the Bible. And from what I can remember was that Jesus being born alone, fullfilled a LOT of prophecies from the old testament. I'll get back to you but right now Im in a hurry. God Bless Smile

Ok here is some examples:

- Around 700 BC a prophet in english called Micah made a prophecy that Jesus would be born in the little village of Bethlehem. (Micah 5:2 in the Holy Bible). Do you understand? One man prophesied 700 years before Jesus birth where he would be born! According to an estimate done by scientists, the odds of this prophecy turning out true is about 1 to 10^5 (10^5 = 100 000)

- In the fifth centuy B C, a prophet (called Zechariah in the english bible) declared the amount of money Jesus when living would be betrayed for. Thirty pieces of silver. And that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for poor foreigners. Both Bible Writers and secular historians both record 30 pieces of silver as the sum of money Judas got to betray Jesus. And records also show that they were used to buy a piece of land that were used for buring aliens.

- The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.

- The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).

I am sure 1000s of people must have made wild predictions. But the world will not end in 2012, it didnt end in 2000. So dont worry. I think it maybe a mayan topic or smething.

The world will live on!

I read somewhere about the earths poles shifting, and causing a slew of problems.

Few quick links:
- http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/earth_poles_040407.html (just a general discussion about it from what I can tell)
- http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1215_051215_north_pole.html (bit more in depth, talks about how the magnetic north pole has moved to russia)

Oddly enough a lot of the predictions say something along the lines of 2012. There are all kinds of theories from the earth's rotation reversing to holes in the magnetic field allowing solar radiation in and etc.

So just a thought, is it possible the Myans were a culture long enough to have witnessed a reversal? If so did they base a lot of their time keeping around that?

This topic is Moot. If the Mayans are right, then there would be no way of stopping the prophecy. There is no way of knowing either way. There is no point in this discussion.

how could the prophets in the Bible have known this without God telling them so? (see my previous post)

absolutely. I dont see how people can discard this kind of stuff, but believe in evolution? To me, evolution is way harder to believe in than that there is a God. Evolution simply cannot explain everything. Look deep into the eyes of your girlfriend, do you think that she is a product of evolution? Isnt there something more to her than that?

And couldn't it be God causing and directing evolution?

God isn't an old man with a white beard; He's a force. Perhaps every single physical law is a force of God.

As a last on this subject, I'm going to say one thing to people who don't believe in God.

Let's assume there isn't a God. Us who have believed will have nothing happen to us. You who didn't believe will have nothing happen to you. You die, life's over, end of story.

Now let's assume there is a God. Us who have believed are well...safe. You who haven't believed are in for a lot of ???

I think we're at the advantage. Thank-you.

Well then for all you atheists....if it IS real and the armageddon war breaks out....you taking God's side or the Devils? Or will you remain neutral?

And do you think that by publicly denouncing His existence, you're earning a lot of points with God?

Think about the Bible, Torah, and Quran. Do you think that ordinary men could write these books? From their own brain?

The mathematical miracles? The miracles and secrets in those books not even the Prophets knew about until discovered thousands of years later?

Well I'm not prepared to believe in God without proof for the same reason that I'm not prepared to believe in anything else without some evidence. If you are prepared to believe without evidence then why choose Christianity? Why not Islam, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism?

The Mayans were not predicting the end of the world.
They were students of the observable movements of celestial bodies.

The earth rotates about it axis once a day.
The moon rotates around the earth once a month.
The earth rotates around the sun once a year.
The sun rotates around the milkyway once every 29,000 years.

On Dec 21, 2012 the sun will be in the exact center of the milkyway.
After that the Mayan celestial observations don't fit into their predictive algorithms.

It's just like 50 years ago, fractal equations were thought to be meaningless because of the infinite number of possible answers. Then after the super computer was invented we could see that fractals can be used to describe many things such as an infinitely irregular surface.

The Mayan's did an outstanding job with the tools they had.
We now have a greatly advanced understanding of celestial movements and patterns.

The world will still be on Dec 22, 2012.

I don't know... Nobody knows, but I think it will not happen.

I think that the world ended years ago. It is just that nobody has realized it yet.

The world ends when oil becomes incredibly scarce or non-existent.

If the world is goin gto end while I'm still alive I hope I won't know when it is, I know I'll die but I don't want to know it.

Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, the sun has about 5 billion years worth of hydrogen to burn up ... after that, we're screwed.

You haven't really got a clue, have you? You have obviously read some creationist nonsense and believe it utterly.
Here's the news - it's crap.

C14 dating has already been explained comprehensively. The fossil record is beyond doubt. The genetic and biological evidence is overwhelming. If you want to cling to your creationist beliefs then that is your privilege but please don't try to pretend it has any scientific or philosophical validity - it's a nursery tale told to immature children, the adults know better.

If you want to debate specifics that have not already been covered then go ahead and I'll help ...otherwise..
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The reason you've seen it so many times is simple - even the most patient of us get exasperated eventually.
You believe in creationism. You believe that we were created as we are. That is so patently absurd that is is hardly worth repeating the fallacies, but, one more time;

1) We know the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. The evidence is comprehensive and comes from several different lines of enquiry.
2) We think the universe is about 13.7 billion years old. The evidence comes from several different lines of enquiry.
3) We have geological, genetic, biological and archaeological evidence that is consistent with evolution.
4) Carbon 14 dating is explained fully in a previous posting - in short it is calibrated by tree-ring growth and ice-core data. We know the C12-C14 decay ratio doesn't change because scientists have tried their best to change it by altering temperature, radiation, pressure and just about every other variable you can name. We also know that the C14 pattern fits with the oldest tree-rings and ice-cores. We therefore know it is sound data. The range of error is known and included in any datings made.
5) Other radiodating methods (lead-uranium for example) do not depend on atmospheric factors and cannot be explained away.
6) We can watch evolution happen in the labs
7 ) The Genesis account of creation doesn't work - it contains an account which cannot, physically, be true.
8 ) The timeline for Genesis is absurd - it would date the earth at about 6-7 thousand years
9) The other events described in genesis (the flood, the 900 year old people and so on) have no supporting evidence

Now. You ask me to disregard the scientific explanation (and it is an explanation, not a belief - I have personally gone into each of the things I mention here to make sure they are valid).
In return you offer an account from a 2-3 thousand year old book that we know contains many errors and we know contains an account of creation that simply cannot be true.

It is not unreasonable of me to ask you for some evidence. I have plenty of evidence for my view - that is why I hold my view. If you can show me evidence that it is wrong then I will change my view. That is the nature of rationality - we accept things on the evidence, we do not believe things blindly.

So, I ask you, what evidence have you for creationism?
How do you manage to dismiss from your mind the overwhelming scientific consensus and accept a view based on nothing but faith?

PS - yes I do call you a fanatic and no, I am not the same. You start from the position that the bible is correct - a faith position. I start from the position that nothing is correct unless demonstrated with appropriate evidence.

While we are discussing the end of the world. Do you think this thread will end before the world does? I mean, according to the title, we only have about 4 years to discuss the posabilities of it ending, before we see it for our selves. Mabye, we should consider postponing the end of the world another couple of years, so everyone has a chance to voice their opinion on the subject. Smile

Seriously though, for all you out there that believe, shouldn't you be out there doing something meaningful with your last four years of life instead of being here trying to convincing everyone else they are going to die too.

i dont believe (or cant?) that the world´ll end in ´12... In our country slovakia there are too some religious fanatics who say that, but i dont believe, they are stupid fags...

I know something big that happens in 2012.

The London Olympics

Go London<3 Very Happy

For those of you who say the bible has not predicted anything that has happened. I will not use Jesus Christ even though there are over 70 prophesies fulfilled by His birth, death and resurrection found in the old Testament. And neither would I use Moses, Elijah, Elisah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel or John, some of their prophesies have relevance to today.

One thing I want you to note that ALL the predictions of Jesus Christ were made more than 500 years before He was born, even His name, Emmanuel was predicted in Scripture. Also Remember there was 480 years between the closing of the Old Testament and the New Testament and Daniel predicted many thing in this period which came true.

I will take only one person in the bible that God gave prophets inspiration to prophesy about. This was a Persian King called Cyrus, all the prophesies in Isaiah we made 300 years before Cyrus was born, Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

There are 39 scriptures that particularly mentions of Cyrus by NAME in the bible. Ezra, Daniel and Jeremiah were alive during Cyrus' reign but Jeremiah and Daniel were old when this happened. Jeremiahs prophesy is made about 50 years before Cyrus was even born, also Jeremiah predicted that the exile would last 70 years and that is exactly how long it was, if you want I can give these references to this.

Unlike other "Prophets", which we make much hype about, which you have to adapt to the situation to predict anything and the events must first happen before you can get the prediction the bible is very clear, precise and extremely accurate.

So here they are the predictions about Cyrus, enjoy the reading -

God would Call Cyrus BY NAME
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Isaiah 46:11 - Calling that eagle, Cyrus, out of the east, from a far country the man I chose to help me. I've said it, and I'll most certainly do it. I've planned it, so it's as good as done.

Isaiah 45:1 - God’s Message to his anointed, to Cyrus, whom he took by the hand to give the task of taming the nations, of terrifying their kings-- He gave him free rein, no restrictions:

Cyrus fulfilled Jeremiah' prophesy
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2Chronicles 36:22-23 - In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia--this fulfilled the message of GOD preached by Jeremiah--GOD moved Cyrus king of Persia to make an official announcement throughout his kingdom; he wrote it out as follows: "From Cyrus king of Persia a proclamation: GOD, the God of the heavens, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth. He has also assigned me to build him a Temple of worship at Jerusalem in Judah. All who belong to God’s people are urged to return--and may your GOD be with you! Move forward!"

Ezra 1:1 - In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia--this fulfilled the Message of GOD preached by Jeremiah--GOD prodded Cyrus king of Persia to make an official announcement throughout his kingdom. He wrote it out as follows:

Cyrus becomes King
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Ezra 1:1 - In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia--this fulfilled the Message of GOD preached by Jeremiah--GOD prodded Cyrus king of Persia to make an official announcement throughout his kingdom. He wrote it out as follows:

Daniel 1:21 - Daniel continued in the king's service until the first year in the reign of King Cyrus.

Daniel 6:28 - Dan 10:1 In the third year of the reign of King Cyrus of Persia, a message was made plain to Daniel, whose Babylonian name was Belteshazzar. The message was true. It dealt with a big war. He understood the message, the understanding coming by revelation:

Cyrus would allow the Jewish Exiles to return to Israel (Jerusalem)
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Ezra 6:3 - In his first year as king, Cyrus issued an official decree regarding The Temple of God in Jerusalem, as follows:

Isaiah 44:28 - He says to Cyrus, "My shepherd-- everything I want, you'll do it." He says to Jerusalem, "Be built," and to the Temple, "Be established."

Cyrus would allow the Jewish Temple to be rebuilt
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Ezra 6:3 - 15 - In his first year as king, Cyrus issued an official decree regarding The Temple of God in Jerusalem, as follows: The Temple where sacrifices are offered is to be rebuilt on new foundations. It is to be ninety feet high and ninety feet wide with three courses of large stones topped with one course of timber. The cost is to be paid from the royal bank. The gold and silver vessels from The Temple of God that Nebuchadnezzar carried to Babylon are to be returned to The Temple at Jerusalem, each to its proper place; place them in The Temple of God. Now listen, Tattenai governor of the land beyond the Euphrates, Shethar-Bozenai, associates, and all officials of that land: Stay out of their way. Leave the governor and leaders of the Jews alone so they can work on that Temple of God as they rebuild it. I hereby give official orders on how you are to help the leaders of the Jews in the rebuilding of that Temple of God: 1. All construction costs are to be paid to these men from the royal bank out of the taxes coming in from the land beyond the Euphrates. And pay them on time, without delays. Whatever is required for their worship--young bulls, rams, and lambs for Whole-Burnt-Offerings to the God-of-Heaven; and whatever wheat, salt, wine, and anointing oil the priests of Jerusalem request--is to be given to them daily without delay so that they may make sacrifices to the God-of-Heaven and pray for the life of the king and his sons. I've issued an official decree that anyone who violates this order is to be impaled on a timber torn out of his own house, and the house itself made a manure pit. And may the God who put his Name on that place wipe out any king or people who dares to defy this decree and destroy The Temple of God at Jerusalem. I, Darius, have issued an official decree. Carry it out precisely and promptly. Tattenai governor of the land across the Euphrates, Shethar-Bozenai, and their associates did it: They carried out the decree of Darius precisely and promptly. So the leaders of the Jews continued to build; the work went well under the preaching of the prophets Haggai and Zechariah son of Iddo. They completed the rebuilding under orders of the God of Israel and authorization by Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes, kings of Persia. The Temple was completed on the third day of the month Adar in the sixth year of the reign of King Darius.

Ezra 6:8 - I hereby give official orders on how you are to help the leaders of the Jews in the rebuilding of that Temple of God: 1. All construction costs are to be paid to these men from the royal bank out of the taxes coming in from the land beyond the Euphrates. And pay them on time, without delays.

Isaiah 45:13 - And now I've got Cyrus on the move. I've rolled out the red carpet before him. He will build my city. He will bring home my exiles. I didn't hire him to do this. I told him. I, GOD-of-the-Angel-Armies."

Isaiah 44:28 - He says to Cyrus, "My shepherd-- everything I want, you'll do it." He says to Jerusalem, "Be built," and to the Temple, "Be established."

Ezra 6:14 - So the leaders of the Jews continued to build; the work went well under the preaching of the prophets Haggai and Zechariah son of Iddo. They completed the rebuilding under orders of the God of Israel and authorization by Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes, kings of Persia.

The bible is accurate. There are even prophesies which are being fulfilled around us including the European Union, the Birth of the nation of Israel, in ONE day as predicted. In Matthew 24 – Jesus Christ predicted there would be wars, famines, natural disasters, disease etc – Okay you say they have always happened but not so many as in the last 100 years.

Lets take wars – There have been wars fought and people killed in the last 100 years that in the entire history of the world. World War 1, World War II, The Russian Revolution, Cuban Revolution, The Namibian War, Cambodia, Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Bosnia, Israeli wars, six day war, war of independence, to name a few and we can go on and on.

Famines – Currently many countries in Africa and the world are devastated by famine. The United Nations predicted that more than 50% of the world population are under nourished.

Natural disasters – must I comment, just check what has happened in the past two weeks!!!

Disease – Cancer is out of control, Obesity, Heart disease, Diabetes, HIV/AIDS cannot be cured, Ebola, Malaria

Not the bible has more to say about the future than even today’s news papers and it has yet to be proved incorrect by countless millions of people who want to bring it in disrepute.

Hope this answers you questions. If you want more just ask I can give you hundreds of prophesies in the bible and their fulfilment, which you can even verify in any major history books and encyclopaedia’s.

lol... nothing is set, I don't believe in a predestined world... if that is the case then why bother living at all, trying to make the best out of everything...

There were people who said the world would end in 2000... did it?
no.

So why would it end in 2012? just because some calendar ends?

Then lets all go to the stores then and buy a new one! solves everything. lol Very Happy

That's pretty much the way it is. The Mayan calendar operates on a 5000 year cycle. It then resets to 0 and carries on - no apocalypse. As far as I know the Mayans regarded the end of a cycle as an opportunity for a big party - not the end of the world.

Other 2012 apocalypse predictions are based on:

Michael Drosnin's awful book - The Bible Code. Complete trash, thoroughly discredited.
A misunderstanding of cosmology. In 2012 the solar system will be 'aligned' with the centre of the milky-way galaxy. If you look edge-on at the milky-way, the solar system moves up and down through the disk. It so happens that, in 2012, it will be at the halfway point (it is a 26,000 year cycle). Various cranks and pseudo-scientists think that some mysterious energy will then bathe the earth. Complete crap - it's happened thousands of times in earth's history (I make it about 170,000 times) and there is no evidence of any 'apocalypse' on previous occasions - nor is there any conceivable way in which it could cause such an apocalypse.
People making money out of deliberately misinterpreting the Mayan calendar. The last example would be a bunch of truly awful books, newly released on the subject (which I'm not going to give publicity to by naming), and which are playing on the interest aroused by Mel Gibson's film Apocalypto (2006).*

*Which I actually quite enjoyed

I wonder what people used to think the calendar was counting down to in BC times?

RUN TO THE HILLS!

Yes all this prediction stuff is a load of rubbish, the end of the world had been predicted so many times and I do believe that we are still here.

And that bit about God will make the world end when people aren't predicting it, why would he make it end? and why would you want to believe in something that would do something like that? lol

(Really seems like a comment that should have been said before and if it was a appologise for stealing it...)

Guy's... the only few possible things that could end the world on 2012 are: Polar shifting-Are magnetic field will drop near 0 allowing the sun to burn us to death. 2:Armaggedon-The final battle between good and evil and/or Jesus and Satin. and finally 3:Atom crusher-This is basicly a long tunnel in which will crush Atoms together showing us how the universe was made, this is the Big Bang theory.It could possibly create blackholes on Earth and desrtoy it.(also may i not that Polar Shifting roughly takes 5,000 years to complete.) Shocked

The world really ends in 2012. Believe me. I have all the evidence. What kind of evidence?

The kind that there are already thousands of people who believe this bullpoop. They are people who never understood science. Nothing of it. For them magnetism, heat, electricity is all magic. For example, to my grandmother, the fact that electricity makes a washing machine wash is the same kind of magic that she reads about the end of the world or bioenergotherapists. One uses a mysterious force to wash, the other to heal.

And nowadays its popular to be unscientific. Its good to believe in eastern religions, wonderdiets, faithhealers just because it shows the bad guys in labcoats that science sucks. Oh, the folly.

So yeah, people believe what they want to believe but I know that in order to have a fully knowledgable world view a human should be taught physics, especially the part about the genesis of the universe and some of the theories. It really sheds light on many aspects of life.[/code]

I hate those people who are making up their own stories like polar shift or asteroid clash, as there is no such thing happening as clarified by scientists.
Everyone must first read this: http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/19/no-doomsday-in-2012/
and then think about what the reality behind all this is:

Err....OK, until you mention Jesus.
You should know that the early Christians were an apocalpytic sect - they believed that the end of the world was imminent, just as the people who try to read such a message into the Mayan calendar believe the same thing.....

Can't believe this, totally crazy Website including survival and disaster kits for 212012.

http://www.december212012.com/articles/religion/index.shtml

OK, my motto is to show respect to people who have different beliefs to mine. Then this week I learned about Richard Dawkins' memes, and am now worried as memes like the 2012 ones can't be good for the human race as they seem to have this ability of infecting minds? Then arrived at the Website below:

http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Dawkins/viruses-of-the-mind.html

Center for the Study of Complex Systems ... now memes from this Center (attached to the University of Michigan) well maybe this can even things out a bit?

Maybe there is still hope for the world. Smile

Can't believe this, totally crazy Website including survival and disaster kits for 212012.

http://www.december212012.com/articles/religion/index.shtml

OK, my motto is to show respect to people who have different beliefs to mine. Then this week I learned about Richard Dawkins' memes, and am now worried as memes like the 2012 ones can't be good for the human race as they seem to have this ability of infecting minds? Then arrived at the Website below:

http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Dawkins/viruses-of-the-mind.html

Center for the Study of Complex Systems ... now memes from this Center (attached to the University of Michigan) well maybe this can even things out a bit?

http://cscs.umich.edu/about/about.html

Then when I search a little further I land with the Michigan Center for Theoretical Physics. Powerful memes in the making! Well hope they will replicate to their heart's content:

http://www.umich.edu/~mctp/Docs/hist.links.docs/mctp_annual_report08.pdf

Maybe there is still hope for the world. Smile

This is probably a myth, just like Y2K. Everyone expected the worst but nothing happened.

Little is known about the author of Revelations. (To be truthful little is known about any of the authors of the NT). The author is generally held to be a person known as John of Patmos. The traditional view is that this is John the Apostle, but most modern biblical scholars think this is wrong and that John of Patmos is an entirely separate person.
There is little doubt in my mind that the author is a very disturbed person. The apocalyptic nature of Revelations reveals a very disturbed mind - which is why many factions in early Christianity did not wish to include it in the cannon.

I knew there was something along the lines of the mysterious author, I just couldn't remember it clearly enough to want to post it.

This is sort of random, but, it makes me really mad how everyone says "God knows everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen. Yes, he does know the first two, but I don't think too highly of the last one.
Here's a few examples:
If God knew what the temptation of the fruit in the garden was going to do to Adam and Eve, why even put them in the garden?
If God "hates sin" as much as most people say, then why did he tempt Adam and Eve with the fruit? Did he want them to suffer? If so, would he not be the Devil?
Why do we even live on Earth if God knows how we will all live our lives? And don't say we may change our lives, because, if God knows everything that will happen, he would know that.

I'm not saying God is evil at all. I'm just saying that humans' interpretations of inferences about God make no sense what-so-ever.

No one knows when the world will end, and know one should beleive any fade that someone has had a vision as to when it will end. History, Prophecies and theology has thought that nobody knows except the creator Himself.

Ok, Adam and Eve story is not the real story, Bible has been mistranslated and edited many times, maybe for people's own convenience. According to an even older version (1000 BC or sth) of Bible was found in 1915 Adam of "Adam and Eve" was the same person as Noah. And in Indian subcontinent there is the same story of Noah or Nuh or Manu and they have a more elaborative story: Matsya Purana or "Fish incarnation History".

The similarities in Bible and Matsya Purana (around 5000 yrs old book, the story itself tens of thousands years old):
Bible: In the time of Nuh, people were corrupt. Matsya Purana: It was the end of last Kali Yuga, age of corruption, hypocrisy and quarells and start of new satya yuga when Fish incarnation warned Manu or Nuh.

Eastern Texts reveal we are in a new Kali Yuga, which started 5000 years ago, and religious texts were the main target of "the demon ruler of this Yuga". they changed them and kept people in darkness, in confusion. Before the start of this yuga, the religious texts were not mere 'religious texts' they were 'science', 'the complete science'. Today's science is not complete.

Moreover, even Jesus said that he had discovered the world was ruled by a 'demon'. And he announced it would end soon. He 'denied' many old testament ideas because they were edited by mere humans (satan made them do so). But people are not trying to understand or accept the truth. But it is also good to be skeptic.

The world is not going to end. Yeah, Jesus said that such rumors about the end of the world would come. 2012 is the rumor. Its not the end of the world, it could be end of an age or just a confusion created by satan. Be skeptic and ask questions, "Seek and you will find".

If 2012 is the end of the world,
I say roll on 2012!

But I doubt that jesus is going to descend from the clouds on a golden pony and save your sorry asses before a bigger herd of angry ponies comes and kills you all. To anyone who believes that: good luck!
I'm off to build my spaceship.

The creator IS your senses, the science, physical laws...
Out side the nutshell (the universe) is another universe, and another one and ano... the creator has many domains.

2015 may be a breakthrough! Then perhaps other civilizations will contact us formally.

The world is not going to "end" on a single day or time period as it is not created, in the common meaning of "creation".

But we may argue; whether it will end this day or the other day... never ending.

Anyhow, 2012 is not that far away and we would discuss the issue after the proposed "end" Smile

There has been some talk about a "mini-iceage" and "ice age" visiting earth again and that we are due for those times. I came across the Geographic Magazine article below of 2005 following the movie of that time: "Day after tomorrow", which actually I saw and thought was quite entertaining. Back to 2012, I wonder whether that could be something related to the weather. The weather patterns seem to be changing anyway. Feels as though we have different weather, and global warming is real as well. Some say global warming may contribute to an ice age as well:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/1130_051130_ice_age.html

Has anyone else seen the move "Day after tomorrow", and what are your thoughts on an ice age coming soon?

I predict that in 2012, there will be wars, natural disasters, and great political upheavals. Just like every other year. On the morning of January 1, 2013... the sun will rise in the east, and in the evening of that day, the sun will set. The world will end in 2012 for all those who die that year, just as the world comes to an end for all those who die any year.

Pure nonsense.
The prediction from Isaiah contains the word Emmanuel (or Immanuel depending on translation).
The only time the word appears at all in the New Testament is in Matthew when he quotes from Isaiah.
As I said, a tautology. Christians naturally wanted to say that Jesus was the son of God and one way to do that was to associate him with the prophesy in Isaiah - in other words invent a title. Show me one reference in the New Testament that says the people called Jesus 'Immanuel'. The only such reference in Matthew 1:28, which apes the passage in Isaiah 7:14. There is not a single mention of it in any other gospel. It is clear that the author of Matthew was trying to make events fit earlier prophecies in an attempt to bolster his case.

You say that Jesus was called Emmanuel by the people....where is your evidence? Certainly not in the bible...do you just make this stuff up as you go along?

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