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snowboardalliance
Ok, I had been getting help on another forum, but no one is online anymore there so I'm posting here. I want to get a computer that is good for multitasking and I can play some games on it. So here is my post from the other forum.


Here is everything I plan to get

Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537
Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138249
Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811145054
RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440
hard drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144360
Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814103164
DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106988
Moniter
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=881987&CatId=166
Wireless Adapter
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833127145
Floppy
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821152005
Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823107119
Mouse (free)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826193001

And instead of cheap speakers, I'll use my current stereo for now
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6334111&type=product&productCategoryId=cat08053&id=1077625917379

Now, I only have a few questions before I go ahead and buy.

1.) Are soundcards builtin to motherboards good enough? Like would a normal person even notice a difference?
2.) I saw windows XP for $95 but it is an upgrade version. Can I just install a copy of 98 on the computer first then use it? Or just use a 98 serial number? Or should I buy the OEM version that doesn't require windows 98/ME?
3.) Should I buy the speaker cables instead of cheap speakers? (I have a sony stereo system all ready to be used).
4.) Last, are there anythings here you would not recommend, have had bad experiences with, are overpriced, etc.?

I'm ordering it before the rebates expire so I want some feedback soon.
Deji
1) most built in sound cards are ok not the greatest things ever but definately useable. (unless you want surround sound)

2)i think for the upgrade you have to install 98 first then put xp on top of it.

3)go for the cables (ive got a headphone socket -> amp adaptor.. like it goes to two normal left right inputs for the amp so i can use my sony speakers.

4)

spec looks good (personally id like a bit more hard drive space but thats up to you / you can always add more later)
orno
upgrade would probably work fine, but 98 might not support all your hardware in the first place! besides, if u ever have to reinstall would you wanna go thru the whole process of installing 98 first and then upgrading it?
i would rather spend the extra cash and buy an OEM
snowboardalliance
Deji wrote:
1) most built in sound cards are ok not the greatest things ever but definately useable. (unless you want surround sound)

2)i think for the upgrade you have to install 98 first then put xp on top of it.

3)go for the cables (ive got a headphone socket -> amp adaptor.. like it goes to two normal left right inputs for the amp so i can use my sony speakers.

4)

spec looks good (personally id like a bit more hard drive space but thats up to you / you can always add more later)


I'll probably upgrade the hard drive later on and maybe get surround sound with a sound card later.

orno wrote:
upgrade would probably work fine, but 98 might not support all your hardware in the first place! besides, if u ever have to reinstall would you wanna go thru the whole process of installing 98 first and then upgrading it?
i would rather spend the extra cash and buy an OEM


Ok, and OEM is cheaper so that's a plus. But if I ever format my hard drive, can I reinstall the OEM version? The license is confusing.

Thanks for the help.
Omego2K@
2 problems I found:

the athlonXP 3000 64bit, athlongXP proccessor are not worth buying after the 2700 even if it is 64bit, there isnt any significant improvent. I would suggest going with an P4 3.0GHz any of them just beat out the 3000.

The monitor? Are you kidding me? Get an LCD. I thought it didn't really make a difference whether you have an lcd or a crt before myself, however, lcd is not only thinner, it's quality is just awesome. You can get a decent lcd from 275-300. But remember, there are different things to look for when buying an lcd, such as responce time. So when you see an LCD for 150, it's probably a bad one.
Deji
Omego2K@ wrote:
The monitor? Are you kidding me? Get an LCD. I thought it didn't really make a difference whether you have an lcd or a crt before myself, however, lcd is not only thinner, it's quality is just awesome. You can get a decent lcd from 275-300. But remember, there are different things to look for when buying an lcd, such as responce time. So when you see an LCD for 150, it's probably a bad one.


thats not realy helping as a lcd monitor is going to cost at least 3 times as much as the above CRT.. and you havnt realy offered any link to a good LCD for 275-300....

since he is also looking to get the stuff while he can get rebates i get the feeling he wont be wanting to spend an extra 200-225 to get an lcd.
snowboardalliance
Like he said, I'm trying to get this cheap. I looked at newegg and the only cheaper AMDs are Sempron or socket A-I've heard both are bad. Besides that there are a few OEMs, which I'd rather avoid.
Most things I will probably upgrade later (more HD space, surround sound/sound card, maybe better moniter).
Deji
snowboardalliance wrote:
Like he said, I'm trying to get this cheap. I looked at newegg and the only cheaper AMDs are Sempron or socket A-I've heard both are bad. Besides that there are a few OEMs, which I'd rather avoid.
Most things I will probably upgrade later (more HD space, surround sound/sound card, maybe better moniter).


probably a good plan
izcool
I wish we could use OEM copies on other computers than the ones they were intended for, that would make life a lot nicer lol.

Umm, well, I found this out from my experiences. I'm a Dell fan (don't rant or rave on what you prefer, I stated that in order to back up my data in the rest of this post) and have a lot of Dell Re-Installation CDs that CAN ONLY work on Dell computers. As far as I know, the Dell copies of XP that I have don't need to activate or need a serial key, but they only work on Dell computers. I think it checks the BIOS to see if it's a Dell computer or not. I would go for Windows 2000 or Windows 98 if it were really necessary. I'm sure this applies for most other vendors, like HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc as I think some of them provide CD's to re-install Windows.

- Mike.
Dustwars9
I would seggest get a pentium 4 3.0 processor and another mother board that can use pentium 4. Why are you going to waste have your processor when you run 32 bit windows. If you get a 64bit version of xp then most programs will not work. Most of the old hardware and drivers will not work. Stick with the 32 bit processors they are much better.

If you want to play the newest pc games then you might want to get a better video card or you might pay $40 for a game that is incompatible with your video card.

I got a dell and they are very good. I have had no problems with them and i have friends that have lots of problems with their non dell computers. You can even customize them until you got a good computer with a good computer. Their technical support is great. They usually have good deals with free stuff or save money coupons

Quote:
Umm, well, I found this out from my experiences. I'm a Dell fan (don't rant or rave on what you prefer, I stated that in order to back up my data in the rest of this post) and have a lot of Dell Re-Installation CDs that CAN ONLY work on Dell computers. As far as I know, the Dell copies of XP that I have don't need to activate or need a serial key, but they only work on Dell computers. I think it checks the BIOS to see if it's a Dell computer or not. I would go for Windows 2000 or Windows 98 if it were really necessary. I'm sure this applies for most other vendors, like HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc as I think some of them provide CD's to re-install Windows.


The dell instalation disc that i have will work on any kind of computer. But you will need your serial number to install it on non dell computers.
phileplanet
I think that if you have the money for it, you should get a Windows XP Media Center PC. HP makes them and i think Dell does too. The newest one is 2005 but i got like 2002 or some old one. It's still good and i can't imagine using anything else. it's supposed to be better than XP professional and it comes with a DVD burner. You can watch and record TV for heaven's sake!
orcaz
snowboardalliance wrote:
Ok, I had been getting help on another forum, but no one is online anymore there so I'm posting here. I want to get a computer that is good for multitasking and I can play some games on it. So here is my post from the other forum.


Here is everything I plan to get

Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537
Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138249
Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811145054
RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440
hard drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144360
Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814103164
DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106988
Moniter
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=881987&CatId=166
Wireless Adapter
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833127145
Floppy
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821152005
Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823107119
Mouse (free)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826193001

And instead of cheap speakers, I'll use my current stereo for now
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6334111&type=product&productCategoryId=cat08053&id=1077625917379

Now, I only have a few questions before I go ahead and buy.

1.) Are soundcards builtin to motherboards good enough? Like would a normal person even notice a difference?
2.) I saw windows XP for $95 but it is an upgrade version. Can I just install a copy of 98 on the computer first then use it? Or just use a 98 serial number? Or should I buy the OEM version that doesn't require windows 98/ME?
3.) Should I buy the speaker cables instead of cheap speakers? (I have a sony stereo system all ready to be used).
4.) Last, are there anythings here you would not recommend, have had bad experiences with, are overpriced, etc.?

I'm ordering it before the rebates expire so I want some feedback soon.

You shouldn't upgrade, if you can. You should buy the operating system in a new computer, if not, there would be lots of compatibility problems. Also, never buy XP Pro if you are not using it in an office/LAN, because it is totally useless if you use it at home. Not much difference from home edition.
James Bamfield
Right

1. Soundcards in motherboards are okay but i always get one because the quality is higher and also it takes strain of the motherboard.

2. DO NOT PUT 98 AND THEN UPGRADE TO XP. There are lots of compatability problems with the up grade i recently upgraded 98 machines to xp and had to wipe and reinstall the operating system because there are certain lines of code in files located in the I386 folder. By new and install fresh.

3. Go with tthe sony system but get a sound card if you want it to sound half decent.

4.do not buy from overclockers.co.uk. shop around for software find the average price and buy dont just buy from the first company you come across.
corey
A suggestion.

Perhaps you might at a local computer shop for a decent but not expensive sound card. And, while you're at it, as if you can get a copy of XP at OEM price with the hardware. That way you can get it for cheap. Don't worry about getting a 64 bit system. Everything is going that way (even Intel is using AMD's idea) and 32 bit apps will run fine on that architecture, even if you use a 64 bit OS. Lots of people freaked out about Win 98 not going to run the 16 bit apps from Windows 95 and DOS. There was a compatibility layer built in, just like there is for 32 bit apps with the 64 bit OS.

The 3000's a good proc but I've heard good things about the 3500 if you can swing it.
snowboardalliance
bought it, with a 160GB HD and I'm using an old Dell 17" flat CRT

Yeah, I went with the OEM for the OS and I'll probably get a soundcard at some point soon
prithvi
Congrats on your new system.

Regd your OS version, yeah you should definitely get the OEM, preferably XP Pro or Media Center.

As far as the sound is concerned, you'll not notice the difference much........If your speaker system is good, then you'll get a good output.

Also, check if your motherboard audio supports 3D sound.
I have a nVidia nForce audio built-in on my nForce2 board and it has support for 3D surround sound.
Along with it, I am using a 5.1 Intex surround sound speaker system, and I get a good quality output.

If your Sony speaker system is good, you have to just check if your built-in audio supports all the surround sound properties.
kansloos
I think you should choose a Radeon X800 instead of a X600
Because of a X600 is not a very good videocard. It's a bit better then the
Radeon 9600XT which is a poor card. With an X800 you get an optimal
price/quality ratio. Cause now you are combinating a good CPU with a poor gpu.

About the RAM Memory,
Value Select is fine, but if you want to overclock you should buy twinx
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