As I have heard, there are so many people who doesn't like the products of Microsoft.
Any body have a valid reason ? Wannah to hear all the flames on Microsoft...!
Of course, you can post counter (Negative) and Postive comments..!
Vista, Hotmail, Live, etc.., All the Micosoft products..
Its all relative. Microsoft is better than everyone else but its still crap. Why can't my computer turn on instantly? All computers frustrate people and Microsoft is on practically every computer in the world, lowest common denominator.
It's not so much their products as the way they treat their customers.
OEM copies of their software (copies that are supplied with computers are most often OEM) are treated as little better than stolen copies by M$ and are hardly supported at all. They even removed an automatic online activation feature from OEM copies despite the fact that it was far easier to maintain that than to provide a telephone equivalent (that doesn't even work). OEM copies also aren't granted any technical support unless they pay through the nose for it. That goes for email support too.
They're severing support of XP in the near future just to railroad people into buying Vista. Not providing DX10 for XP and making its own games DX10 only is more than a bit suspect. Even the then ancient console port over of Halo 2 which had to be about the last game that would need DX10 doesn't support DX9 and subsequently won't work on XP.
People might be more inclined to switch to Vista if it wasn't a joke. It has poor compatibility with earlier software and includes and mandatory copy of Norton which is widely disliked.
So that means that the future holds two inadequate versions of Windows. Neither will provide adequate compatibility with software meaning that having a PC with both OS installed is probably going to be a requirement until M$ finally fix Vista. If they ever do.
well... i don't 'hate' microsoft at all, but i bought a laptop with vista because i needed a laptop and the specs were pretty great.
soo.. I get this thing home and vista has quiet a few problems because they released the OS much too early. I used to have a mac and i was used to the way it started up... much faster... no antivirus needed. no firewall needed. great interface.
don't get me wrong vista looks nice... but i have used mac os more and tend to like it more for stability reasons... i get on my PC that i have now with vista to pay a bill... well internet explorer is frozen and firefox wont start... NOT EVEN A WEEK AFTER BUYING IT. I had to start screwing with stuff and it's working for now.
There are plenty of reasons to hate Microsoft. I've got a few. For one I think there is something to be said for judging companies based on whether or not they are good for the industry they work in. For instance Sun Microsystems invests tremendous amount of money in R&D, moving the industry forward with Java (now lamely copied by M$ with .net), the ZFS file system, project looking glass, and the support of numerous open-source initiatives. The same can be said for Apple. Google too has greatly elevated the state of computing. From something as simple as opting to write a superior in-house anti-spam engine for gmail instead of opting for a cheaper (and likely less effective) plug-in option; to the excellent Google Summer-of-Code program. M$ on the other hand relies on market inertia to get away with poor customer service and lax development. In fact, M$ actively avoids development. Internet Explorer 6 languished for FOUR years without a major update. And when outside competition finally started putting pressure on them they engaged in underhanded practices to undermine that competition (for instance http://www.news.com/2100-1023-983500.html) all before finally rolling out IE7, which offers little beyond copying the features offered by the competition. This to say nothing about the anti-trust violations. You can't get do much worse "for the industry" than that.
But if those of use with grievances want to be taken seriously, we need to be sure we understand what we're complaining about and have valid points. For instance, support for XP is scheduled to continue through 2014: that includes constant security patches, published specifications, and paid support. Warranty claims will be honored through 2009, a full two years after XP ceases to be a current product. That is a longer support cycle for a deprecated product than you'll find for Solaris, Unix or MacOS. In fact it is in-line with what you find for Novell infrastructure products (GroupWise, Evolution). Considering the expense involved in supporting an operating system as opposed to a single program (ie, what Novell is doing); that is certainly not unreasonable. And definitely not what I'd consider "In the near future." -- how old and outdated will your computer be in 2014? | scotty wrote: |
| Its all relative. Microsoft is better than everyone else but its still crap. Why can't my computer turn on instantly? All computers frustrate people and Microsoft is on practically every computer in the world, lowest common denominator. |
Que? Your computer already turns on intantly. Of-course, it is physically impossible for a computer to turn on instantly and be able to DO anything. If you have any interest in the security of your data you'll want to go through a system memory check. Which requires numerous electrical signals, the speed of which is limited by the laws of physics. Following which you'll have to load data off of some sort of media, which is limited (in today's devices) by the speed at which a small electric motor can spin a magnetic platter inside your harddrive. WindowsXP starts up MUCH faster than almost any variety of Linux and very much on par with most modern operating systems.
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Not providing DX10 for XP and making its own games DX10 only is more than a bit suspect. Even the then ancient console port over of Halo 2 which had to be about the last game that would need DX10 doesn't support DX9 and subsequently won't work on XP.
People might be more inclined to switch to Vista if it wasn't a joke. It has poor compatibility with earlier software and includes and mandatory copy of Norton which is widely disliked. |
As regards Directx10, I think you are underestimating the complexity of back-porting a system so deeply intertwined with drivers/hardware. Vista's driver system is a near complete rewrite from XP, that removes driver functionality from the Kernel and into modular space. I doubt that not bringing Directx10 to XP is merely a gimmick to encourage Vista sales* but a business decision related to the cost of developing a port to an outdated system. I remember two years ago when we were all complaining about XP's lack of capability. XP can run on a 600 MHz PentiumIII (technically 233MHz will do it), they made sure of that because when XP was released that was only a few years back in the tech stream and everyone was worked up about "compatibility with earlier siftware." But three years on development was being held back by XPs inherent limitations and everyone was whining about Microsoft being behind the curve. So with Vista they set the bar quite a bit higher. And development at the start is playing catch-up. Some of us have to reach a little to run Vista at the same speed as XP, graphics drivers aren't as stable or fast as XP, and DX10 games aren't living up to the DX10 hype. But three years on, when development and Moore's law have made XP a lump of crust worth running only on true dinosaurs; Vista has a much better shot of still being relevant (at-least not the weak link in the development chain).
*A very good case could be made that bringing DX10 to XP would be good for Vista sales as it would allow game developers to roll out DX10 only titles without fear of a limited market. Building a base of major titles and encouraging a move towards the greater capabilities of Vista in other areas (superior audio stack, superior graphics driver integration, better support for dedicated physics processors, etc.).Why do i not like microsoft? Well i have a couple of good reasons. Or I at least feel that they are good.
You see first when you go to a store like say www.bestbuy.com or www.circutcity.com they sell the computers with windows. Now considering Vista is a 200 and some old dollar OS it puts the prices up. Well when you go to buy a computer from one of those places Microsoft has a contract with them to sell it with Vista or XP what ever is on the market. Well you can look at getting some really good computers for 500 bucks. Now if you where to factor out vista then that would take the price down the 300 dollars. So if i'm buying a computer that I intend to just put a Linux distro on then i'm paying for something I will use maybe once.
Another reason I dislike windows is a lot of people use it. Well when a lot of people use it a lot of people make viruses for it. Well considering it was attacked by a 13 year old virus. why would I trust that. I don't want my computer to get slower as time goes on. I want it to go either faster or just as fast as it did when I first got it.
Another thing is it takes for ever to get a new update out. An important security flaw may take months to fix. Where as in an OS like a distro of linux they can get the problem fixed in a matter of days.
Now I don't have a problem with all products by Windows. Like i used to use msn messenger. However when I got ubuntu I started using GAIM. I like freeware things so this is another reason why i like linux distros better.
I could keep going on but my brain is fried after school. 99% of humans are lemmings -- they'll follow what others say without thinking.
I don't think Microsoft is bad (I hate Macs with a passion, however). There are, unfortunately, several problems associated with Microsoft. Their products aren't open source. This is bad for security; bugs and vulnerabilities take much longer to fix because bug finders are limited to the few who work in the company and not everyone in the comp sci field. They've "borrowed" ideas/concepts for programs from other companies (i.e.: Vista's interface looks a lot like Macs). They also include free software, sometimes subpar to those currently out there, with their OS so that people will use their products and drive other smaller companies out of business. But what most people don't get is that Microsoft has revolutionized the computer industry like no other. Nowadays, nearly everyone in the US has a computer at home. This wasn't always so. Computers used to be those specialized things at big companies, schools, and very rarely, at home. So thank Microsoft for bringing a computer to your house. 
I'm not a huge microsoft fan because there are simply better products. The reason why people use microsoft is because it is relatively user-friendly and somewhat cheap. Just think about every microsoft product that there is and there will be a better product out there.
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It's not so much their products as the way they treat their customers.
People might be more inclined to switch to Vista if it wasn't a joke. It has poor compatibility with earlier software and includes and mandatory copy of Norton which is widely disliked.
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@achowles -
I am using Vista ultimate from last year without any Norton or any Anti virus.
It is comparitively slow when compared with the previos versions of Microsoft OS and needs more memory to run the misc at a time..
But definitely I can say that Norton is not a mandatory product to be installed with VISTA.
Any argues..?Well, Microsoft dominates the market in a very brutal way, and still their products isn't as good as many free alternatives. For example Linux is faster and safer than Windows but it's hard to buy a computer without OS to install Linux. All the good computers have Windows pre-installed unless you want to build your own computer.
The services you mention, Hotmail etc., aren't great either. I've been denied access to my Hotmail account more times than I've experienced a bug-less use of it. Still, it's the most commonly used email-provider because of marketing and dominating the market. (for all that use Hotmail. I strongly recommend Gmail. It's 1000 times better.).
They really grabbed the idea of commercial licensing by the nuts and squeezed
They've also destroyed HTML standards with frontpage and old versions of IE (although IE7 is a bit more decent)
They have horrible customer support, and charge ridiculous prices for mediocre software
but i must say, gates is one HELL of a business man
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| Well, Microsoft dominates the market in a very brutal way, and still their products isn't as good as many free alternatives. For example Linux is faster and safer than Windows but it's hard to buy a computer without OS to install Linux. All the good computers have Windows pre-installed unless you want to build your own computer. |
Linux is faster? Do you have any data to back that up?
I code for a couple of linux projects and I'd be hard pressed to make that kind of statement. In a desktop environment I've found linux distributions to be subjectively slower and I've never seen a controlled test that found linux to be any faster than the competition. I have a highly customized installation of Gentoo Linux compiled primarily with Intel's C Compiler (faster code than GCC), using lightweight apps and other performance settings (nptl only, initng, extensive prelinking, reiserfs for system partitions, and Con Kolivas kernel patches). I'd be willing to bet IT is faster than Windows, but that is hardly a general truth. Even so, I dual-boot WindowsXP Pro on the same system using many of the same programs (OpenOffice, GIMP, Pidgin, Inkscape, Thunderbird, TrueCrypt, 7-zip), and don't notice any major performance differences.
There isn't any doubt that Windows is a greater security risk than Linux at this time. Linux does have some design superiority to Windows when it comes to security (fully isolated multi-user design, native privilege structure for all parts of the file tree, etc.) but much of the perceived vulnerability comes from the fact that windows is such a large target. When open-source software has been exposed to the same level of risk as Microsoft products (ie Apache vs IIS) they have faired no better.
http://secunia.com/product/1438/?task=statistics
http://secunia.com/product/73/?task=statistics
Regrading the bundling of Windows with new PCs, I don't think this is a particularly big deal. The licenses acquired by companies for putting windows on their systems are quite a bit cheaper than a retail license is for you and me. I don't have hard-and-fast numbers in front of me, but I am quite confident that the cost of Windows on a new PC effects the price by less than $90. This is in part because windows is MUCH easier to install than desktop distributions of Linux (claims by Ubuntu zealots aside). Personally I would never use a default installation of windows, but if we are going to give credit where credit is due: Windows simply has the best automatic hardware detection and driver bundle along with the most idiot-proof path to a working installation of any modern operating system. If we all paid for pre-installed Linux on our new PC, labor costs for the installation would quickly eliminate any savings on licensing. The price of new PCs wouldn't improve and the consistency of variables from installation to installation would be much less. Resulting in higher tech-support costs for the retailer. If we're going to complain about M$, lets be certain our judgments are grounded in reality. There are valid complaints about the pre-installation dominance of Windows. Such as the aforementioned detriment to web standards caused by the ubiquitousness of Internet Explorer (caused in no small part by its present on nearly all new PCs).Probably the main reasons Microsoft is the source of a lot of, if not hatred, mild disgruntlement.
- Nobody likes a tyrant, and Microsoft has as close to complete control over the OS market as anyone is going to get.
- People who aren't familiar with technology get easily frustrated by it, and thus the creators of it.
- People who are familiar with technology hate the increasing tendency towards the 'idiot user interfaces' (well, I know I do).
- The Blue Screen of Death. It's only happened to me twice, but it's the kind of thing that is frustrating because technology has so much power and potential and yet it still suceeds in screwing up so completely on rare occasions (and all the minor bugs and irritancies are probably more annoying).
To be perfectly honest, Microsoft has cleaned up its act over recent years - perhaps this is something to do with the good ol' DOJ Idon't know. The computer intellectsia of hte web hate microsoft with such vengenance that one has to wonder whether emotion has clouded rational judgement.
That said my beefs against microsoft are more historical and they are:
1) how they've attempted to hijack HTML by introducing 'standards' in front page and javascript so that an FP website will only work in internet explorer, the result of which is that massive swathes of html code have to have 'if the browser is explorer then ... else ...' code -
2) the fact that Front Page and Microsoft Word are two of the worst examples of software in the history of computing and yet - they are (or were) market leaders - to be fair that's really not m$ fault
3) their bullying tactics with OEM. One post said a computer would be $200 cheaper if it was shipped without vista, however microsoft price the OEM licenses much cheaper than this. No problem with this - its clever marketing to compete with Linux, however vendors are REQUIRED to ship windows and are REQUIRED to pay microsoft even if they offer a bare system without windows. THIS IS BAD.
4) The way, in the time of 16-bit windows, microsoft seemed to have access to alll sorts of features to allow their office team to build way cool gui features (way cool back then, anyway) that's weren't available to the likes of Lotus and WordPerfect.
5) The way they'd change dos and windows every release to make Lotus 123 not run when they were promoting Excel.
I think the main problems with Microsoft stem from it being is a large company which has pretty much of a monopoly on operating systems for PC. If they do something wrong or antagonise their customers they know that the customers will not go somewhere else and buy a competitor's product. They know that, for example, people who want to play the latest games will but their operating system. If people want to play Crysis, for example, they will buy Vista in order to be able to use DirectX 10. People will do this even if Vista is expensive and slower than other operating systems. A few people will use Linux, but as soon as you want to play major games you will have to get a micrsoft operating system. Microsoft needs more competitors!
You purchased a new book. You read it and gave it to your friend for him to read... Then the author comes to you and files a case against you saying "You are violating copyright !". Can you love this author?
How to find, you are famous? You have fans and you have many people who hate you. MS is the same.
I cant say, I hate Microsoft, but I like others. I will be never satisfied so I like software I could change.
For me, it's just the whole capitalistic aspect of Microsoft. They'll get you to buy their product, but after that, your relationship with them is virtually gone. Customer support is a thing of the past 
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However, I don't really have anything against the programs. I mean sure, of course they can be better, but it works. I've also been using Visual Developer 2008 and it's pretty nice for what I do http://youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM
May be because windows is just one big coping machine, and waiting somebody to make something which they will copy. No ones hate microsoft, i think
Their business practices are questionable.
As much as I hate Microsoft, its still the best choice for me at the moment.
I've got a laptop, so I can't really choose the hardware for it. I have no problems with XP on it as it runs fine, but Ubuntu can give me a little bit extra.
a) I've run the Windows Vista Upgrade adviser on my laptop, and unfortunately I cant have the areo interface. I've also installed Ubuntu on my laptop, and Compiz-Fusion worked out of the box (after I installed it) with more features then OS X and Vista combined.
b) If I want the full version of Vista Ultimate, I have to shell out $600(au) for it. If I want the latest version of Ubuntu, just download it off the net. As it was, I had to download a copy of XP from the internet because I wasn't provided with one (Even though I had a registration key) and I had to format my PC.
But Windows isn't always that bad. Support for drivers is good, and it has a wide variety of software that I can use on it (Provided it doesn't have spyware) thats simple to install and configure where as Linux needs various tool kits and other stuff.
My opinion is a biased though because I am still new to Linux, but give it 5 or so years, and Ubuntu will become a common name.
microsoft isnt that bad of a company for software, but some of the things they do are just greedy. a good example would be the xbox 360 arcade sku i just bought, it is awesome, except if i want surround sound i need to buy a $50 addon because the standard optical wire doesnt work with HDMI plugged in.
for email and communications, i like hotmail and msn a lot. It's so convenient and easy to use. The interface is nice too. For office software, i think microsoft is also fine. But to me it's just a typing machine anyway. Not much difference with other typing softwares. But other than those, i do not like microsoft.... i just feel that microsoft is like a big brother in the computer field and no other companys can compete with him...it's not fair at all. And it charges higher and higher for the softwares with no much big differences from the previous version.
ok, msn messenger and hotmail are ok, I use them myself. I also use gmail, and many other email clients, but preferably I use hotmail.
Now about hate to microsoft, its more towards windows. I dont like it because I am forced to use it. I love Linux, and most of the times I restart my computer into Ubuntu. But I need too much software for my work that will only run on Windows, which is slower, worse... and a huge list of reasons why I don't like it.
I could perfectly use wine and emulate windows in linux and run those programs, but that just makes the hole thing longer, I need to install ntfs support... and all that crap only to use wndowss!
So yea, dont like it.
I dont hate microsoft. I like what they do, i hate the people who always try to bring down microsoft. Jelous people who cant make a company as sucsessful as them.
Microsoft will always be the best company in my eyes.
Because they own every single company on the market at pretty much everything they get into. And for the same reasons people are always on Apple's ass.
| tempdbs wrote: |
As I have heard, there are so many people who doesn't like the products of Microsoft.
Any body have a valid reason ? Wannah to hear all the flames on Microsoft...!
Of course, you can post counter (Negative) and Postive comments..!
Vista, Hotmail, Live, etc.., All the Micosoft products.. |
Well people hate microsoft because they either, had a very bad experience with microsoft, or they have a mac or linux...
XBOX ROCKS!maybe people find Microsoft too expensive ... 
they should release a free version of windows to get there repo. back.. | scotty wrote: |
| Its all relative. Microsoft is better than everyone else but its still crap. Why can't my computer turn on instantly? All computers frustrate people and Microsoft is on practically every computer in the world, lowest common denominator. |
wow. better that everyone else? you've clearly never used a decent linux distro. Windows is the superpower, but most of what it makes is crap. and so annoying to use | vineeth wrote: |
| You purchased a new book. You read it and gave it to your friend for him to read... Then the author comes to you and files a case against you saying "You are violating copyright !". Can you love this author? |
@vineeth,
Giving a book to friend for reading is okay with the Author, But waht people are doing... The friend (who got the book to read) is just making some XEROX copies and all he is doing is pirated...
So author will file against whom ? The Reader or The Friend or The Pirate Lovers...?I don't like MS and its products. But unfortunately I have to use its products everyday. I think many people hate MS because there is no compettitor. Linux, open source group, represents anti-MS or major compettitor. But the market share of MS products is almost 70% in real world. it means MS could be a invisible dictator in our world.........
Microsoft is a corporation. It is a accumulation of lot of peoples work, and like all company's, they put their stamp and logo on everything they touched.
Looking back at the history of Microsoft you can see they have identified things like DOS as MSDos, as thier product. How absurd. How can you have a company own something like a disc operating computer system. Although the basic language was fundamentally theirs to develop, the idea of putting claim to something like an os as unique only to one company is just not true. It would be like saying windows is unique only to one company. Mac’s operating systems had the same gui too and so could have any other companies that would have wanted to create an operating system.
The really great thing about Microsoft though is the way they marketed their product and not really the product it’s self. It became so popular and the standard in the industry that not only was the name so well know but actually used by all the developers of any programs for it. Therefore, microsoft was able to sit back and let the users of the product develop software for it.
Microsoft has a product that is well know and used through-out the world and is constantly under development after it is released by the people that use it. The best thing I like about Microsoft products is that it works (sometimes) and are so well known. The least thing I like about Microsoft products is that it doesn’t work (sometimes) and everyone knows it.
I personally like Microsoft. windows as it is user friendly and very easy to use and to learn. If i have to hate microsoft windows the one and only reason would be Virus. As linux is virus free and would prefer Mac with Microsoft
I could go on for days with reasons why I personally hate M$...but I think the main reason is the way they force programmers to accept thier standards as opposed to industry standards. They come up with a new OS (I am going thru this problem now with Vista) and alot of programmers have to re-write thier own products because they are no longer compatable with the new version of windows.
I honestly don't care how much money they make...they could be a bit friendlier towards the rest of the programmers out there who don't have an extra billion dollars to sink into R&D.
I'll shut-up now.
Edit: http://www.frihost.com/forums/vp-710587.html#710587 I personally like Microsoft's products (Well, I like most of them) especially Internet Explorer 7 and Window Media Player 11. But I do hate Microsoft because of the way they treat their customers, they just do anything they want. Also, I have read an article about the auto-update feature, there used to be an update which would change the setting of our PCs.
Moreover, Microsoft always loses to another company's products (Even free one) like Firefox, Linux,etc... But overall, Microsoft is pretty fine for me | russel26 wrote: |
| sometimes have a virus.. |
What ??
Donot go foe Pirated Russel ? These will supply you VIRUS at a free of cost.
If you wannah to be free from VIRUS, spent some money...
kiqui...! Microsoft never gives VIRUS to you...! Funny nah...?? | skygaia wrote: |
| I don't like MS and its products. But unfortunately I have to use its products everyday. I think many people hate MS because there is no compettitor. Linux, open source group, represents anti-MS or major compettitor. But the market share of MS products is almost 70% in real world. it means MS could be a invisible dictator in our world......... |
... and CAPITALIST MS!!!I don't hate microsoft, I personally favor microsoft as I have grown used to it over time. Many other operating systems could grow on people, those people might speak ill of microsoft because they fear the unknown. Everybody has the right to their own opinion, and there will always be critics...
At school we have to use Macintosh (I'm in photography) and I've found it very unpractical at times, especially in terms of general use. I mean, the Microsoft right-mouse click is CTRL + mouse click in Mac? That's ridiculous. It's either control keys OR mouse clicks in my opinion 
I don't own a Mac myself yet (will probably be obliged to buy one in the near future), but I'm perfectly happy with my pc (Vista/Dell). After making clear, that working giving support to MS software paid my bills for several years. I have to say that many people hate MS because of it's unstability and it's price. However, many people use it, because it's easier and widely spreaded.
Simply because Microsoft has such huge market penetration, 100% of the computer wielding population is aware of them and most likely uses at least some of their software in some way. Of course a certain percentage of the population loves to complain about everything and so microsoft can't help but get into their sights. Also Microsoft is so freaking rich that resentment is inevitable.
They also release substandard quality software, but the most annoying thing for me is the user interfaces which are geared towards the lowest common denominator, but who can help that. What they should do is release different frontends on windows so computer noobs can use Windows for Dummies and more advanced users can get their hands on user interfaces geared more towards them. Seriously when i got Vista it looks like a childrens toy, unfortunately this means all the useful options are buried under tons of menu systems.
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| skygaia wrote: | | I don't like MS and its products. But unfortunately I have to use its products everyday. I think many people hate MS because there is no compettitor. Linux, open source group, represents anti-MS or major compettitor. But the market share of MS products is almost 70% in real world. it means MS could be a invisible dictator in our world......... |
... and CAPITALIST MS!!! |
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Leaders are not Captalists by birth.... They become after getting that much fame...
Similarly M$ leaded the world... (and also leading... - Hope no one agrees )most popular games and also programs are released for microsoft OS , so other operating systems have no more chance to develop.At last we have a big collection of microsoft OS in our houses
I have used the below ms operating systems with their copyrights so far
# Windows 95
# Windows 98
# Windows 98 Second Edition
# Windows XP
and now , I already use XP , but I don't want to upgrade to vista ,actually the problem is not to upgrade to vista , the problem is to pay for an operating system.So I don't want to upgrade my operating system with paying.The free or cheap solutions must be in the service of us.But the game or program developers support these projects as first and important step 
I am not an programmer or developer so I have never really embraced Unix/Linux or other OS. I have been an Windows IT Consultant for quite some years and I love microsoft. I know that Unix/Linux/MAC/ and all others have their specialized needs in the workforce, but I never felt the need to step outside the microsoft world, on the server side or desktop side.
Since, Vista is scheduled for release I have been hearing many ask "is microsoft doomed"! I think microsoft is a business like any other business, therefore it will have an rocky road (here and there), then eventually things will steady out or economize (handle business). I can't imagine microsoft being a sinking ship! microsoft is a survivor and will change if the industry ever changes. If the world began primarily using an Linux based system, then I think it is fair to assume that microsoft probably has an secret weapon (Windows Linux based OS) in the cut, ready to shock the world and take over as a Linux OS! Of course, this would not be revealed unless the world shifted overnight from Windows to Linux, but I doubt this would ever happen because I am confident there are many more people that love microsoft than Linux.
I never had any serious issues with viruses, stability, security, crashes, or other most disputed issues (and I have used microsoft as an advanced user (sys admin) for over 10+ years). Not to say I never had any problems such as: compatibility, configuration, errors, etc. but I haven't had anything that would make me say "I am switching to Linux". Honestly, have you?
I can't take any cheap shots at Linux, because as being an sys admin I must sometimes work with *nix systems and I'm actually activy with the open source community, but I don't think microsoft is doomed! Do you?
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Most people who complain about microsoft is using pirated software! Get a purchased copy from the manufacturer then complain. The same people who get a bootleg DVD then complain about its quality!
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microsoft is a business oriented company, having such fees, they tend to develop more newer technology to enhance the way of living. Since they pay people to make this innovation, they also need to profit from it... Unlike other open source programs, they are created by good hearted people in which makes the world more easier to live on....There is a big difference on Open Source programming and In House Programming so don't even compare the two...
Microsoft has a monopoly on virtually the entire market, they charge loads of money for a relatively bad program. You need to update and secure your computer even though you have bought windows with safety and stuff. This while, for example Linux, is free and it is impossible to get infected by a virus or a bug as it's programming is far better. Microsoft is dominating the market while there are better and free alternatives. That triggers some reaction amongst most people.
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| they charge loads of money for a relatively bad program. |
No...! before they launch a product into market. they will implement it in their own world and they will resolve (almost) the realtime bugs and for working after a couple of uears, then they will go for market.
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Microsoft has a monopoly on virtually the entire market |
They are made as monoploy's as nobody is there in this entire market...! (As I Explained earlier)I don't really hate Microsoft like any other people. I just hate their prices on their products... Unlike linux..I havn't but any software on my Ubuntu..I use all softwares that are installed on my linux box for free. And it is better than Windows...
People hate Microsoft for valid reasons such as horrible experience owning Microsoft products, while other will hate them out of hypocricy.
If you ask a Apple "Fanboy", he will tell you Apple is superior to Microsoft because Leopard is 100x better than Vista, because it has no viruses or so on.
If you ask a Ordinary American Joe what he thinks of Microsoft, he'll say, don't care.
I simply don't like been forced to use inferior products. Why do I HAVE to buy a computer with Windows installed on it and pay for it (and Microsoft contracts do that)? Why do computers have security systems to stop me from installing a diferent O.S.? Not fair I tell ya!
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they sell thier software for good moolah, and they also provide security holes with each software... they have been making good software... but sometimes they do not have a reason why problems occur or whats the cause for this... Microsoft and Quality is an oxymoron. Simple as that.
Microsoft aren't good software designers, just very sneaky at marketing. Most people hate Microsoft for, as many other people have said. Forcing their software onto computers.
| pocky_ninja wrote: |
| I simply don't like been forced to use inferior products. Why do I HAVE to buy a computer with Windows installed on it and pay for it (and Microsoft contracts do that)? Why do computers have security systems to stop me from installing a diferent O.S.? Not fair I tell ya! |
There are obviously quite a number of alternatives to buying a PC with Windows on it. You don't have to buy a PC. You don't have to buy a pre-built PC. You can actually put together your own even without having much experience (due to the Internet) for quite a cheap price. If you don't like something, there are obviously alternatives.Look, actually M$ is wonderful. I mean it. Windows is wonderful too. I have used it in my entire life, and it took me from there to here. There is no way its bad, a too expensive product is very unlikely to be. It has its price, but we dont know if it would get to where it got in terms of development if it wasnt for the price charged. Plus, its really easy to use and user friendly.
Now, the two bad things.
Internet explorer: did a great job also, in the past. Now its obsolete. There is no real reason for one to use it except for the windows update. Use Firefox instead. Why? There are many other topics about it.
Hotmail: many people still use because it was one of the first email services around and "kinda beautiful". But today its TOO bloated and lacking in functions. The page load is time-consuming too. Again, there is no real reason for they to use it, use Gmail!
all i can say is that MS products promote intellectual dwarfing.
I.T. people become dumb and forget how to create solutions from scratch.
Non I.T. people can already create their own systems with simple clicks and wizards.
compare Windows to Linux/unix, or MS SQL server with Sybase/Oracle
MS products make your lives easier in the expense of critical thinking.
my 2 cents worth.
What you appear not to realize is that less than 1% of the people actually need to think critically when operating their systems to achieve their goals. M$, as a businesslady, aimed at the mortals that don't even have time to learn the computer basics. And she did and still does her job satisfactorily. If it wasn't, then she wouldn't be selling millions of copies of Windows Vista.
I believe that people hate microsoft so much because there have no one else to hate/compare with microsoft at the same level. Id also say that "most" people that say they hate windows desktops would have even more hate for a linux based desktop in the long run. Microsoft is expensive etc because they've done a heap of research and work towards making desktop computers easier for the user. People just tend to remember the bad and forget about all the good.
| corrupt wrote: |
| I believe that people hate microsoft so much because there have no one else to hate/compare with microsoft at the same level. Id also say that "most" people that say they hate windows desktops would have even more hate for a linux based desktop in the long run. Microsoft is expensive etc because they've done a heap of research and work towards making desktop computers easier for the user. People just tend to remember the bad and forget about all the good. |
Good point. If OSX were so popular like Windows since at most 1995, there would be an endeless war, but much less intense than what we see today from the Mac+Linux community towards the Windows community.dISCLAIMer - Iam not a employee of microsoft and iam NO WAY, Directly or Indirectly involved with microsoft or its sister concerns.
becos they work with it, right ????
People who hate microsoft or folks who dislike microsoft should not be using any microsoft products.
But as a matter of fact, they will curse microsoft and will keep on using microsoft products - both hardware and software included. Infact, they might have replied to this forum using the personal computer or laptop or a electronic device which is powered by microsoft products 
MICROSOFT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT KEEPS MOST OF THE COMPUTERS IN THE WORLD RUNNING
Keep smiling buddies and keep using microsoft 
| indianinworld wrote: |
| But as a matter of fact, they will curse microsoft and will keep on using microsoft products - both hardware and software included. Infact, they might have replied to this forum using the personal computer or laptop or a electronic device which is powered by microsoft products |
That's only because Microsoft force there products on people. Ever bought a new computer? It is insanely rare to not get Windows with it. Microsoft are better businessmen then programmers.
| indianinworld wrote: |
| MICROSOFT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT KEEPS MOST OF THE COMPUTERS IN THE WORLD RUNNING |
That's not true at all. The large majority of online games run on Linux. As well as the very large majority of super computers and servers. No Unix, the internet would be nothing what it is today. It would be expensive and very very unreliable.
| indianinworld wrote: |
| Keep smiling buddies and keep using microsoft |
I'll stick to Linux thanks.mayb bill gates have a lot of money =D
or maybe his products have a lot of security holes
I actually really like Microsoft products. The trick is setting it up so you eliminate all the bits designed for (please excuse the stereotype) grannies who still think digital watches are pretty dang fancy.
Furthermore, I downright don't trust those dagnab hippy computers. I am, of course, referring to Apple, Inc. Linux and other such platforms I'm cool with. But Apple? Can't trust 'em.
You know they're just implementing society-wide mind control with those iPods in your iEars listening to iMusic, right?
iControl. Specifically, iControl u.
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| That's only because Microsoft force there products on people. Ever bought a new computer? It is insanely rare to not get Windows with it. Microsoft are better businessmen then programmers. |
Not like that. People had no other alternative of a friendly OS for mortals. And you always had the option to buy the hardware part by part, which, in my country, ends up even cheaper.
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| That's not true at all. The large majority of online games run on Linux. As well as the very large majority of super computers and servers. No Unix, the internet would be nothing what it is today. It would be expensive and very very unreliable. |
He meant the absolute number of the computers, which I'm saying the domestic PCs, not the 'importance' of them. And this is true. Most PCs in the world are running windows.
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| mayb bill gates have a lot of money =D |
This is absolutely nonsense.
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iControl. Specifically, iControl u. |
Tell me more about it please.I like Microsoft products. They give very good products. I personally appreciate their work in producing the quality products.
I am the user of Hotmail and i love using hotmail than yahoo, doesn't mean that yahoo is bad.
I also use msn messenger which is also a very good product from Microsoft Corporations.
Now microsoft is bidding to buy yahoo. Let see the development of Microsoft Corporation which will stand as the No 1 company in the computer world.
Lets hope for the best to happen for the good companies
Good post, Keep up your good work
i hate it because it crashed when windows 98 was being introduced in public ! lol
but i like it coz it didnt happena gain....lol
I just hate their monopoly.
When I buy a new computer, it comes preloaded with MS software, and of course, I have to pay for it. i don;t have a choice.
I genuinely hate that about Microsoft.
I like to choose which software I out on my computer. ANd furthermore, since I;m going to delete most (or all) of the software anyways, I figure I should get a discount. Or I should be able to buy a system without all the software for a comparable price.
But I can't. It just bugs me!
| riv_ wrote: |
When I buy a new computer, it comes preloaded with MS software, and of course, I have to pay for it. i don;t have a choice. |
Very paining....!
| riv_ wrote: |
ANd furthermore, since I;m going to delete most (or all) of the software anyways, I figure I should get a discount. |
Many of feel the same...........!I like using Microsoft operating systems... I haven't touched Vista, so I have no opinion on that...
But it is true Microsoft has messed some programs up, and there's many many viable options out there...
Hotmail... Internet Explorer.... Rubbish....
But I just dislike Macintosh, they aren't as widely used, thus games or programs aren't being made for the Mac quite as much as a windows machine....
Plus come on, who doesn't love Bill Gates? I know I do.
The whole fact that the company has no moral standing, and just wants to suck the money out of people. I called tech support to activate a copy of windows on a laptop I was working on and they wouldn't even talk to me it was just an example their problems.,.
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As I have heard, there are so many people who doesn't like the products of Microsoft.
Any body have a valid reason ? Wannah to hear all the flames on Microsoft...!
Of course, you can post counter (Negative) and Postive comments..!
Vista, Hotmail, Live, etc.., All the Micosoft products.. |
Maybe because they take money from people? And then offer more or less half functional thing?? Good enough reason if you ask me...I think the reason so many people hate Microsoft is that they treat the user as too stupid. They put all these helpful friendly things in it that would be awesome, except the people that understand them don't need them and the people that need them don't understand them. So you wind up with this vast, need-to-use operating system that no one really likes to use because it's either an insult to their intelligence or too vastly confusing. So yeah.
Microsoft is prone to more viruses than MAC
| Eyre wrote: |
| I've also been using Visual Developer 2008 and it's pretty nice for what I do |
Not surprising - Microsoft had poached most of Borland's developers at hte time time no-one in the right minds would consider using hte microsoft compiler to develop windows applications.
At one stage it was a laughable development environment and c++ compiler, however that's all changed now and I think its now one of the better c++ compilers despite the jaundiced opinion the anti-micrisoft brigate.I just finished re-installing windows... because my old version got damaged by a virus. It took two tries to just install the operating system. >.<;;
Why do I not like Microsoft? The issue I was having should have been a simple repair; I just needed to replace a few files; but the restore from the CD wouldn't work because it wasn't compatible with SP2, and removing SP2 made me incompatible with SP1a which was what was on the CD, so my whole computer went down and overheated while trying to repair.
| emem wrote: |
And then offer more or less half functional thing?? |
Half Functional thing ?
Do anyone have the capability of exploring all the windows ?
First people are not anxious to learn the total functionality. Why are you posing that on the products?I'm not hate them, I just don't like them. It's because their product prices are so expensive, especially for me! >_<
Answer: Stupidity.
I like Microsoft. They make some excellnt products. Their mice and keyboards are top notch. Windows XP does whatever I need it to; it's not always easy to get some things working if it's something a bit obscure, but in the end it works. Internet Explorer works fine for me. Bascially I have had no problems with any MS items.
For those who whine that Windows comes on a new computer even if you don't want it: either build the computer yourself or buy it from a local independent computer shop. that way you can put whatever the heck you want on it. Buying it from a big box place limits your options in more ways than one.
As for why people hate MS, I think a lot has to do with jealousy. Not one person who hates MS would not take the opportunity to be in Bill Gates' position, with his pockets full of money. The fact is that if Microsoft didn't make good products to start with, it wouldn't have become adopted by all the governments and businesses that have adopted it. they would have gone with Mac.
People also like to hate the big guy and root for the underdog. If Linux had the cash and huge company Microsoft does, everyone would hate them. Seems like people don't like others becoming successful. they want everyone to own small businesses and make enough money to get by. Heaven forbig should anyone prosper I think it's a combination of the kind-of-monopoly and this unfair business they (seem to) run. Many people think that they just don't act very fair and because of this, Microsoft had some problems with the law, they had to pay fines a few times for their unfair business methods.
Take google for example. google is THE search engine. There are many theories about google spying on your privacy and so on, but who would really say that they HATE google? I don't think so, but google doesn't seem as some evil, unfair player in the business world. They're just... mighty.
I neither hate Microsoft nor google, that's just too emotional. I just use Macs (and I don't love them either) and try to use exalead as a search engine. However, there are often cases when I use google cause I don't find something..
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Take google for example. google is THE search engine. There are many theories about google spying on your privacy and so on, but who would really say that they HATE google? I don't think so, but google doesn't seem as some evil, unfair player in the business world. They're just... mighty.
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Good catch frnd,...! But no one escapes from google..!you hate it or love it... microsoft does made an impact in our world of IT.. on how we use and apply to make out lives more easier and techie..
I think many of you don't like Micro Soft.. sometimes I was told that Bill had donated lots of money. and it made me happy. He earned a lot of money and also kenw how to spend the money. I like bill but don't like Microsoft because of its attitude for the consummers. MS's market share is so high as you know. But there are lost of errors in their softwares and they are so lazy to respond for the consumers' claim.
Remember when you are top of the pile everyone want to get there too.
I guess people do not want Microsoft to succeed or they think that their software is too expensive. I have on the other hand only used Microsoft my entire computer life and I have found their product excellent and I use at least 10 of their product everyday.
Yes they could be cheaper but in their defence it does take a lot of Development, research and coding to get one product out into the market and all these people have to be paid a salary so maybe they are not so expensive after all when you realise what it takes and costs to produce one Microsoft product.
It is always nice to get something for free and I guess people think that they can get software for free to; I suppose you can by copying it but that is not legal is it.
JUST IMAGINE a WORLD without MICROSOFT???
Sold on Microsoft, thanks Bill and the team the world would be totally different if it was not for you, our company and your ideas and software.
Well I don't like Microsoft because the xbox 360 was a bad make why? Mine personally I had for a year and it broke, luckily I had a warranty, but now if it breaks again I can't get a new one.
What makes you so sure you can trust Microsoft?
ow come on !! windows is ****** up, how many times do programs just stop without a reason?? I never have such problems with mac os x
Everyone hates microsoft because it owns much of the technology we use. Although it has a couple good programs out there well the reality is there is always the exception of using a different program. They work pretty much the same. All you are really buying is the name brand.
Well thats true, many of my friends also hate microsoft, there is one "abhinav" he just hates microsoft like anything, tries to use linux in his system...
For me I like microsoft products namely Windows XP, I guess it would be there in my grave too!!, but I think the company of Microsoft is a bit arrogant kinda, like they tried to overtook yahoo, with their own bid, its not good.
I don't think people hate Mircosoft all together, just some of their products.
I think everyone has a product they dislike, or have a problem with.
The prouct that really makes me angry is the Xbox 360. This system is a joke. I got my first 360, and it lasted for about 7 months, then it broke. So ok, I fugred I just got unlucky. I sent it in for repair, and when I got it back, it had only lasted 4 days! I then had to send it back for repair again. Then that 360 only lasted for not even a month. So of course, I sent it back for repair, once again. By this time, (It takes least ammount of time a week for it to be shipped out, repaired, then re-shipped back to you, can take up to two weeks though) I was already annoyed, and was loosing interest in games. I was playing games at one point every single day, more than 5 hours. I would sometimes not even sleep. Then I got down to not playing it for weeks at a time. Even with me not hardly playing it at all, only lasted two months again. I put maxium of 10 hours on it this last time, and it broke on me. I am tired of sending it in for repair. Before you send it in for repair, you have to call them and have them send you a shipment box to send it in, how dumb is that? So my 360 sits on top of my TV, and never gets touched.
Maybe one day I will send it in for repair. But no way am I keeping it, that piece of junk is going up for sell, along with every game and accessorie with it.
Anyways, Microsoft does have it's plus side of products. Atleast my original xbox still works....Oh wait, I already sold that one It is just a big corporation that people decided lets hate that one now. Although....vista is a great product to hate I think Microsoft are okay. although operating system wise theyve killed vista, XP forever!
| medievalman26 wrote: |
| It is just a big corporation that people decided lets hate that one now. Although....vista is a great product to hate |
Not always..! Vista has more beautiful look and also performance wise also it is better..
Not agreed with you dude..! Occupies a little bit more space, neevetheless space is a very minor issue now-a-days...!
Many agree with this..! I Think you too...!They are just too proffessional big business type that it makes you feel like they think you are nothing, and welll, to you , your everything so you have totally conflicting views= HATE MICROSOFT lol I really dont hate they are just a bit annoying
i like microsoft. people hate the top dog, the king of the mountain. it's epic. people love to see the king fall. thats how it just is. everyone loves the underdog. i use microsofts services/software/hardware all the time. if it wasn't for them, where would tech, web, and os be right now???? for damn sure not as far, might have gone a different route..who cares? life's too short to debate with haters...
people hate microsoft because they are jeaolous of the succes, because they where the only package for a long time and people always have to have something to be annoyed about. now people stay pissed because of 'historical contamination'. If the hate was that big and justified we all would be using the other packages now (apple, linux,..) but hey most people find the microsoft products ergonomically to use, pretty to look at,... I have tried to start some of the linux things but those packages convinced me otherwise, I keep trying from time to time, one of these days I have to try out ubuntu where I hear a lot of good things from, we'll see
I don't like it because its a company that is all about money... Its all about marketing and about making money. They code is not opensource, wich would make it alot better, and they are making unfair competitions in marketing. For example, a couple of weeks ago I heard on the news that they were keeping Vista information classified, so that Software developers could not develop some programs for it yet...
