I want to ask you guys as to how does Christmas and Harry Potter fit it
How is it that Witches and Wizard celebrate Christmas?
How is it that Witches and Wizard celebrate Christmas?
Harry Potter and Christianity
good one!!!
I'm not good for the correct answer ->
still that's a big miss in the books I suppose!!!
1. Inhereted tradition! - > you don't have to belive in santa to put on a mask!
2. without christianity -> witches can't exist... So for them to exist (imaginary) you need a religion (imaginary also) to make em exist. IE the more a witch do christmas the more power she has!!!
I'm not good for the correct answer ->
still that's a big miss in the books I suppose!!!
1. Inhereted tradition! - > you don't have to belive in santa to put on a mask!
2. without christianity -> witches can't exist... So for them to exist (imaginary) you need a religion (imaginary also) to make em exist. IE the more a witch do christmas the more power she has!!!
Harry Potter is simply practicing magic. And although "witchcraft" is severly frowned upon in Chrisianity, you can still have Christian views and beliefs and practice magic (if it was real, of course).
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
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HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
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2. without christianity -> witches can't exist... So for them to exist (imaginary) you need a religion |
I know a lot of wiccans that would debate that...
HM
I don't believe that Christians are the only ones to celebrate Christmas but that everyone is allowed to do that, including witches, wizards and those hobbits from LOTR as well altough I haven't seem them doing that.
Christmas is partially about sharing, not only Christianity. (almost) Every bible speaks about sharing as a good thing.
Christmas is partially about sharing, not only Christianity. (almost) Every bible speaks about sharing as a good thing.
Why can't they be christian witches and wizards?
"witchcraft is severly frowned upon in Chrisianity"
what? I know some highly conservative Christians may agree but I don't see anything in the bible, that applies to present day Christians, the frowns upon the idea of magic and lore.
"witchcraft is severly frowned upon in Chrisianity"
what? I know some highly conservative Christians may agree but I don't see anything in the bible, that applies to present day Christians, the frowns upon the idea of magic and lore.
Bible verses in this post from the KJV
Galatians 5:19-20 lists the following as "acts of sinful nature":
"adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft..."
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,"
Revelations 21:8 describes various groups who are going to Hell. Basically anyone who does not follow Christianity or claims no religion at all, but specifically lists sorcery.
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and ******, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
In short, no, in a typical display of religious intolerance, Christianity and witchcraft do not go together. It is important to note that these are in the New Testament, which is considered to be applied to today's society (verses the ancient Old Testament).
For reference, there are anti-Witchcraft verses in the OT as well:
Exodus 22:18
Deuteronomy 18:10-11
But the OT is not as applicable as the NT.
Galatians 5:19-20 lists the following as "acts of sinful nature":
"adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft..."
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,"
Revelations 21:8 describes various groups who are going to Hell. Basically anyone who does not follow Christianity or claims no religion at all, but specifically lists sorcery.
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and ******, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
In short, no, in a typical display of religious intolerance, Christianity and witchcraft do not go together. It is important to note that these are in the New Testament, which is considered to be applied to today's society (verses the ancient Old Testament).
For reference, there are anti-Witchcraft verses in the OT as well:
Exodus 22:18
Deuteronomy 18:10-11
But the OT is not as applicable as the NT.
Maybe it's fiction? Imagine that...
Touche Soulfire. I normally skip right over those words and never noticed the mention. So I guess a Christian witch/wizard wouldn't make sense.
| coeus wrote: |
| Touche Soulfire. I normally skip right over those words and never noticed the mention. So I guess a Christian witch/wizard wouldn't make sense. |
Does this mean that we should take fiction seriously?
I suppose that makes The DaVinci Code real, then? Give me a shovel, I'm going to the Louvre.
Anyhow; Some points I have.
- Christmas is based on paganism (Hey. Look at my point below, weren't some witches pagans?)
- It's fiction
- Perhaps it's logical to have Christmas in a fictional book. I mean, it might anger the Harry-Potter-Is-The-Lord-Of-Evil conspiracy theorists even further if it wasn't.
- The type of witchcraft I would assume referred to as evil by the Church is the "we deep fry and eat your babies" type. Harry Potter has just about no connections to those types of witches, or for a better word - sorcerors.
- Conversely, the witches referred to as evil by the Church may just be Pagans. Ah, yes, that's it.
| Wikipedia wrote: |
| Throughout this time, the concept of witchcraft came increasingly to be interpreted as a form of Devil worship. |
Anyhow. The witches/wizards in Harry Potter are fictional, don't deep-fry babies, aren't pagans and don't conduct 'devil worship' at all.
(Otherwise, how do we know that Witches and Wizards aren't imbued with the Holy Spirit, or something like that. Who knows; it isn't properly explained in that sense in the book.)
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Does this mean that we should take fiction seriously? I suppose that makes The DaVinci Code real, then? Give me a shovel, I'm going to the Louvre. |
uhhh....dude, we were just looking into whether or not a Christian witch/wizard would make sense. Even in fiction books some stuff should make sense.
| Hogwarts wrote: |
| I mean, it might anger the Harry-Potter-Is-The-Lord-Of-Evil conspiracy theorists even further if it wasn't. |
LOL, some people actually think Harry Potter is evil? Did they even read or watch? Sad...just sad.
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uhhh....dude, we were just looking into whether or not a Christian witch/wizard would make sense. Even in fiction books some stuff should make sense. |
Right. And I was looking into the act that the witches/wizards in the context of the book are different to the 'satanic' ones.
If you want me to go further.. Sure.
A Christian Witch or Wizard does make sense. There are numerous types of people that would fall under the category of 'witch', as the definition varies throughout religions. Now, as I was saying, the type of witch the book describes differs to the Christian 'satanic' witch.
Now, if we are talking about witches in the sense of 'satanic' witches, that's a completely different story. However, yes, I do believe that there is logic in Christian ones.
Now I quote Wikipedia, again.
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| The Protestant Christian explanation for witchcraft, such as those typified in the confessions of the Pendle Witches, commonly involve a diabolical pact or at least an appeal to the intervention of the spirits of evil. The witches or wizards addicted to such practices were alleged to reject Jesus and the sacraments, observe "the witches' sabbath" (performing infernal rites which often parodied the Mass or other sacraments of the Church), pay Divine honour to the Prince of Darkness, and, in return, receive from him preternatural powers. Witches were most often characterized as women. Witches disrupted the societal institutions, and more specifically, marriage. It was believed that a witch often joined a pact with the devil to gain powers to deal with infertility, immense fear for her children's well-being, or revenge against a lover. |
Okay. Witches were evil. They worshipped 'the Prince of Darkness'. Alrighty then. Now, if you wish to speak of christian witches; repentance is a cornerstone of Christianity, and that even one such as Saul was capable of repenting. Now. Doesn't that make sense for a Christian witch, too?
Both describe the means of which a person could be a witch and a Christian.
Additionally, refer to my previous point that they may be the descendants of people who were imbued with the 'Holy Spirit'. I mean; come on. They can manage to speak in every language and can somehow heal people, so it is a plausible theory.
I could see that Hogwarts.
| Hogwarts wrote: |
| Does this mean that we should take fiction seriously?
I suppose that makes The DaVinci Code real, then? Give me a shovel, I'm going to the Louvre. |
ROTFLMFAO!!! omg... wow... that comment just made my day!!! oh, man, that was funny... Sorry guys, but I had to give Hogwarts credit for that one...
Haha, alright I'm gonna set the alarm clock for NOW people. Harry Potter is not real. Hogwarts is not real. So its really annoying to see this crusade against fictional characters by a huge population of religious people. I mean, you people are ridiculous, go out and crusade against high oil prices, not Harry Potter. I mean yes magic and rituals are real and definitely unpopular in christianity....but who cares what they think anyways? I mean this is coming from people who know for a fact the world is 12000 years old. They're kids in the long run of humanity. And when everyone grows up they realize there is no easter bunny just like they'll realize that Harry Potter isn't evil and isn't hurting anyone. Chill out. Besides the fact that pagans were around far longer than christians....Ever heard of the Egyptians? The Romans? The Greeks? Yea. So don't get all judgemental, Harry Potter is here to stay, and there's nothing a bunch of angry christians can do about it....next to taking down the government and replacing it with a completely non-secular version, which I'm sure they'd say wasn't a wrong action anyways and they'd justify it to some unseen fictional man with a beard. So stop trying to convert everyone, you're like the fat kid in dodgeball, no one wants you on their team.
no... i think is a witch hmmmmmm... do you scared.... 
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