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shenyl
I found this appalling video of how corporation will seek to profit where millions are killed. An IBM machine (punch card) in every concentration camp held by the Nazi, and IBM is even servicing these punch card machines once every year. With a contract signed between IBM (US) and the German.

Watch this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5UkFVROcVgA

There are also videos on how Coca-cola continue to profit in the 2nd world war, by introducing the Fanta Orange for the Nazi, while retaining Coke for the US.

Corporation continues to profit, while their own country men goes to war, and millions of humanity dies.

It really shows men behind corporations often are with soul, without conscience.

It is so demeaning, no wonder they put up pretences of helping the world, trying to show they are socially responsible, all the facets to cover up the real dirts.

It is horrifying.
nilsmo
Much of American industry profited immensely from WWII. In particular, industries that made weapons for the war. Corporations get money from sides fighting wars. I don't see why the wouldn't. Or why it's horrifying.
c'tair
I watched the whole of "The Corporation", the film from which that youtube fragment is taken from. Well, it certainly wasnt a waste of time and indeed, it did show me some things that well, changed my views. I knew about all the evil corporations, but never took it that seriously. Now I see them as a sort of aggressive enemy of the individual.
And yes, war is something that alot of people can profit from, no wonder that corporations took the advantage. Like the film says, corporations dont really care about good and evil, they care about the profits because that keeps 'em alive. They only want to appear all good and honest and all that because that ensures them the mentioned profit, the whole advertising tries to tie stuff like good, honesty, reliability etc. to a every brand they can. Ive recently read that emotions play the part of choosing the right stuff to buy, they tell you whether the product is positive, you woudlnt buy a bar of soap from somebody you knew abused workers, killed people and all that? Nah, youd rather pick the one which cares for the customers and employees, cares about the environment... well, the brand that just seems friendly, honest and right.
And indeed, it is horrible imho, but is there really any way to stop it?
Emmer-Compascuum
While in some situations it's a bit awkard to sell your products to an enemy (e.g. selling weapons to your enemy, which they use against you), in other situations (e.g the Fanta Orange) it's perfectly normal if companies do that. There's nothing horrifying about it. In fact, if the Nazi's import Fanta Orange, the Unites States as exporters profit from that and the Nazi's will have less money to spend on other things. =/
goosesong
The nazi were so exceptionally evil I am not sure it was moral to be selling anything to them. I know the full extent of their evil (not a word I use lightly, or normally ever use at all) wasn't apparent until after liberation, there were very strong clues about what they were up too before. Henry Ford was at it too. Check out David Rovic's provokively titled song Henry Ford Was a Fascist (available for free download - google it and also check out David's other work)
ThePolemistis
shenyl wrote:
I found this appalling video of how corporation will seek to profit where millions are killed. An IBM machine (punch card) in every concentration camp held by the Nazi, and IBM is even servicing these punch card machines once every year. With a contract signed between IBM (US) and the German.

Watch this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5UkFVROcVgA

There are also videos on how Coca-cola continue to profit in the 2nd world war, by introducing the Fanta Orange for the Nazi, while retaining Coke for the US.

Corporation continues to profit, while their own country men goes to war, and millions of humanity dies.

It really shows men behind corporations often are with soul, without conscience.

It is so demeaning, no wonder they put up pretences of helping the world, trying to show they are socially responsible, all the facets to cover up the real dirts.

It is horrifying.


Many other companies such as VW and Swiss banks aided the Nazi's and profited during WWII.

But don't worry,, at least the Jews got compensation for it ( over 3 billion from swiss banks and 15 million from VW i think)
Its better than nothing right?
poly
This si a point worth mentioning.. But I guess it s common knowledge that the US became a superpower because of WW II. It actually helped them, one could say.
corridor_writers
I feel I must add (as a sideline) that anything Michael Moore says is going to be very one-sided and biased. I am not necessarily saying he is wrong or right, but that you need to be careful to never take what he says for granted. He is very, very one-sided in his thinking.
scrub
corridor_writers wrote:
I feel I must add (as a sideline) that anything Michael Moore says is going to be very one-sided and biased. I am not necessarily saying he is wrong or right, but that you need to be careful to never take what he says for granted. He is very, very one-sided in his thinking.


Hi corridor_writers,
I feel curious: why do you mention Michael Moore? No one else has mentioned him in this thread, I don't think, and as far as I remember he didn't have anything to do with the movie _The Corporation_. Am I forgetting something where he made an appearance or where he was the main source of information for that portion of the movie?

Thanks!
Scrub
scrub
To address the rest of the thread: corporations exist for one purpose only: to maximize profit. That means maximizing production, which means maximizing the conversion of living beings into dead resources. Corporations act as the engine to transform mountain tops into aluminum beer cans, ancient trees into toilet paper, and humans into (at best) cogs in the production line or (at worst) soap.

Of course corporations wind up acting in direct opposition to the health of the landbase and the health of every one of us, when their only moral guideline is maximizing production. And of course it doesn't matter to a corporation whether they're aiding governments or other entities committing atrocities. As long as they can profit from the matter (which includes preventing a public backlash which would hurt their sales), they will assist in whatever slaughter helps the financial bottom line.

Scrub
corridor_writers
scrub wrote:
corridor_writers wrote:
I feel I must add (as a sideline) that anything Michael Moore says is going to be very one-sided and biased. I am not necessarily saying he is wrong or right, but that you need to be careful to never take what he says for granted. He is very, very one-sided in his thinking.


Hi corridor_writers,
I feel curious: why do you mention Michael Moore? No one else has mentioned him in this thread, I don't think, and as far as I remember he didn't have anything to do with the movie _The Corporation_. Am I forgetting something where he made an appearance or where he was the main source of information for that portion of the movie?

Thanks!
Scrub


Sorry, I should have been more specific in where my response was coming from. The link to youtube that is referenced at the very start of this thread leads to a clip with Michael Moore, so I am referring to everything based on the link in the very first thread, which it looked like this entire thread is based on.

I just wanted everyone to know that before any of the views taken from this link were taken to heart that it contained view-points from Michael Moore. Not that this is necessarily good or bad, but that it should be taken in context and weighted appropriately. Smile
corridor_writers
scrub wrote:
To address the rest of the thread: corporations exist for one purpose only: to maximize profit. That means maximizing production, which means maximizing the conversion of living beings into dead resources. Corporations act as the engine to transform mountain tops into aluminum beer cans, ancient trees into toilet paper, and humans into (at best) cogs in the production line or (at worst) soap.

Of course corporations wind up acting in direct opposition to the health of the landbase and the health of every one of us, when their only moral guideline is maximizing production. And of course it doesn't matter to a corporation whether they're aiding governments or other entities committing atrocities. As long as they can profit from the matter (which includes preventing a public backlash which would hurt their sales), they will assist in whatever slaughter helps the financial bottom line.

Scrub


Well said....
heptagon
American household corporate names are not the only who benefited from WWII. Most, if not all, Japanese industrial groups benefited from the Japanese military machine in the first part of the 20th century.
corridor_writers
heptagon wrote:
American household corporate names are not the only who benefited from WWII. Most, if not all, Japanese industrial groups benefited from the Japanese military machine in the first part of the 20th century.



Yes, but the tradeoff for Japan was pretty harsh..... The fact that they can no longer maintain a military is one thing that has allowed them to use the money usually spent on national security (provided by the American tax dollars) to become (and stay) the world leader in technology. Still, having a couple of nukes dropped on you to get to this point is a price much steeper than I think anybody would ever want to pay. But yes, at a fundamental level - everybody benefits from war. War is good for business.
whitehole
I mention this fact to people all the time and it amazes them. Another interesting fact is that current American President GW Bush's great grandfather was a nazi sympathizer. I'm not saying GW is a neo nazi but its something that surprises most people whom I mention it to.

Anyways, go capitalism and don't be a nazi!
corridor_writers
whitehole wrote:
I mention this fact to people all the time and it amazes them. Another interesting fact is that current American President GW Bush's great grandfather was a nazi sympathizer. I'm not saying GW is a neo nazi but its something that surprises most people whom I mention it to.

Anyways, go capitalism and don't be a nazi!


Interesting - I had never heard that George W. Bush (Sr.) was a Nazi sympathizer…..and I thought I had a good handle on history!

What are your resources on this claim? I am not saying I don’t believe you….I want to know more. Smile
noirtier
nilsmo wrote:
Much of American industry profited immensely from WWII. In particular, industries that made weapons for the war. Corporations get money from sides fighting wars. I don't see why the wouldn't. Or why it's horrifying.


Business is business, there is no demand for it to be moral. It exists to make money. That's why we have to have laws, to stop business (and individuals too, of course) from just doing whatever they want.

Business only stops being 'evil' when people won't buy the product. And they do this because they lose money.

That is why oil companies, for instance pretend to be all touchy feely and 'green', while payrolling Oil War Presidents like Bush into power with the other face, because they know they have to, in order to keep making money.

I think it is horrifying, personally, that business and corporations are these big monsters that have no morals and exist to only make money and that IBM made the concentration camp filing system. But I don't think it is suprising. The problem is within people, and their greed.
corridor_writers
noirtier wrote:
nilsmo wrote:
Much of American industry profited immensely from WWII. In particular, industries that made weapons for the war. Corporations get money from sides fighting wars. I don't see why the wouldn't. Or why it's horrifying.


Business is business, there is no demand for it to be moral. It exists to make money. That's why we have to have laws, to stop business (and individuals too, of course) from just doing whatever they want.

Business only stops being 'evil' when people won't buy the product. And they do this because they lose money.

That is why oil companies, for instance pretend to be all touchy feely and 'green', while payrolling Oil War Presidents like Bush into power with the other face, because they know they have to, in order to keep making money.

I think it is horrifying, personally, that business and corporations are these big monsters that have no morals and exist to only make money and that IBM made the concentration camp filing system. But I don't think it is suprising. The problem is within people, and their greed.


Sad....but likely very true. Sad
ciureanuc
I saw that movie: The Corporation. I haven't hear about it until I found this post on frihost forum (LONG LIFE FRIHOST! Smile )

My opinion about that movie... a typical American movie about how evil are everybody.
I say like this: if you don't like / don't stand to work for a corporation, DON'T DO IT! If you don't like what some "corporation" do, DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS!... What is all about this stupid ideas generated about that movie?
The poultry and beef meat are processed wrong and you believe that people are doing harm to animals, DON'T EAT MEAT!
Everything looks so simple for me.
But I think that I am one of the FEW people who don't eat in McDonalds, BurgerKings and other "evil" and "wrong" companies...

Do you think that IBM is evil? Don't buy their products! In fact, think about using your computer because I think they started this technology... or not?

Yes, evil companies should be banned. OF COURSE we should do this... but think about what YOU are using, what YOU are consuming...

I am not an American... if you are one, please listen to me: your "documentary" movies like this one are something very strange for people like me... I am not God (my opinion is a drop in the ocean = nothing) but I started not to trust your movies... you are complaining about the pollution and environment but YOU are the ones who pollute most... PLEASE think outside of the box.
ciureanuc
WAIT! I forgot....
The Nike company is evil... it was shown in the movie!
Let's everybody ban Nike! DON'T BUY NIKE PRODUCTS! Spread the word!

(personally I never bought - I am an Adi fan. Smile )
cloudship
This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

it sounds really furious to tell which company is making money from a clean hand. The evilest comany is the US military trade firm, which sells weapons to many small Afican countries to make them fight with each other. So, what we can say from evil or humanity? Maybe it would have been different judgement, if Nazi had won the world war.

History is written by human beings, and human beings are taught and educated by government.
mikedonn71
The story about IBM profiting from the Nazi Concentration camps is not surprising, when you consider that corporations like Yahoo today are profiting from relations with equally despotic regimes like Red China. Halliburton in Iraq also comes to mind.

Sadly the rich and powerful will do anything to make an even greater profit, which is why philosophers from Ghandi to Jesus Christ have consistently criticized the powerful elites throughout history. Martin Luther King wasn't assassinated simply for advocating the Voting Rights Act. King wanted Western European type socialism to replace capitalism in America.
MaxStirner
corridor_writers wrote:
whitehole wrote:
I mention this fact to people all the time and it amazes them. Another interesting fact is that current American President GW Bush's great grandfather was a nazi sympathizer. I'm not saying GW is a neo nazi but its something that surprises most people whom I mention it to.

Anyways, go capitalism and don't be a nazi!


Interesting - I had never heard that George W. Bush (Sr.) was a Nazi sympathizer…..and I thought I had a good handle on history!

What are your resources on this claim? I am not saying I don’t believe you….I want to know more. Smile


Actually there is quite a bit of truth to this claim. Among a number of other sources and researched data, a 2007 BBC broadcast examines the 1933 coup attempt on then President Roosevelt by US Steel, Remington Arms, J.P.Morgan and Standard Oil as well as owners of companies such as Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea and Maxwell House, and incl. Prescott Bush (Pres. George Bush's grandfather) which attempted a policy change in favor of a number of policies adopted by Adolf Hitler to fight the depression.
corridor_writers
MaxStirner wrote:
corridor_writers wrote:
whitehole wrote:
I mention this fact to people all the time and it amazes them. Another interesting fact is that current American President GW Bush's great grandfather was a nazi sympathizer. I'm not saying GW is a neo nazi but its something that surprises most people whom I mention it to.

Anyways, go capitalism and don't be a nazi!


Interesting - I had never heard that George W. Bush (Sr.) was a Nazi sympathizer…..and I thought I had a good handle on history!

What are your resources on this claim? I am not saying I don’t believe you….I want to know more. Smile


Actually there is quite a bit of truth to this claim. Among a number of other sources and researched data, a 2007 BBC broadcast examines the 1933 coup attempt on then President Roosevelt by US Steel, Remington Arms, J.P.Morgan and Standard Oil as well as owners of companies such as Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea and Maxwell House, and incl. Prescott Bush (Pres. George Bush's grandfather) which attempted a policy change in favor of a number of policies adopted by Adolf Hitler to fight the depression.


Interesting. While I certainly do not side with the people behind this attempted coup, it does bear mention that wanting to adopt a policy that is working for one country does not make the people wanting to to adopt this Nazi's. As horrible as Hitler was, he was a powerful leader. People tend to look only as far as his evils, and forget that he rose to power by pulling Germany out of a really nasty depression, and he did this before he became a warmonger and killed anybody! The truth is his policies worked. Saying that adopting these policies makes you a Nazi is like saying that if we found out that Einstein was an evil person, anybody who agreed with and used his theory of relativity would also be evil.
MaxStirner
corridor_writers wrote:

Interesting. While I certainly do not side with the people behind this attempted coup, it does bear mention that wanting to adopt a policy that is working for one country does not make the people wanting to to adopt this Nazi's. ...


I quite agree with you and my intention was simply to substantiate the made claim in reference to Prescott Bush's support for some German economic policies, although the support for a coup'etat of a democratically elected leader does allow one to question his ulterior motives.

corridor_writers wrote:
... As horrible as Hitler was, he was a powerful leader. People tend to look only as far as his evils, and forget that he rose to power by pulling Germany out of a really nasty depression, ...


Hitler's rise to power (~1922 to 1933) has little if anything to do with any attempts (let alone successful attempts) in pulling Germany out of the economic depression. His campaign was a combination of revanchist and antisemitic diatribes and the build up of irregular "troops" such as the SA which managed to destabilize the already very shaky Weimar Republic. Even after his rise to power in 1933, neither he nor national socialist body of thought had much to say in this respect except that economic policies are at best of secondary importance. Any economic policy between 1933 and 36 needs to be attributed to the Minister of Economic Affairs Hjalmar Schacht, who had begun implementing his concepts well before 1933 (as President of the Reichsbank under the Schleicher Government).

corridor_writers wrote:
... and he did this before he became a warmonger and killed anybody! ...

Again I have to disagree. His killings began in the very early 20ies and continued through the next two decades limited only by the amount of power he was able to wield in his early days. To say that the activities of the SA from their inception up to and beyond the "Reichskristalnacht" had not "killed anybody" is a distortion of history.

corridor_writers wrote:
... The truth is his policies worked. ...


In general, national socialist concepts had very little to say from an economic perspective other than delimiting their brand of socialism from Marxist doctrines in that they continued to advocate private property. On the whole, nazi contributions to German economics were a combination of concepts developed by others before 1933 and the remodeling of industry in preparation for a war-time economy. from 1937 onward, most if not all economic "achievements" are more in the line of a snow-ball system, needing diplomatic, and later military, annexations in order to prosper.
emem
nilsmo wrote:
Much of American industry profited immensely from WWII. In particular, industries that made weapons for the war. Corporations get money from sides fighting wars. I don't see why the wouldn't. Or why it's horrifying.


Yeah I agree, you should see the movie Zeitgeist. Its really good!!
corridor_writers
MaxStirner - thank you for your open and honest feedback. First let me say that I am not in any way defending Hitler and what he did. I personally believe he was one of the most evil men to have ever lived on this planet. I do not support him or his actions. I was simply trying to state that if one country sees an idea that is working for another country, and tries to follow suit, they should not be judged solely on the merits of the person running that other country.
MaxStirner
corridor_writers wrote:
MaxStirner - thank you for your open and honest feedback. First let me say that I am not in any way defending Hitler and what he did. I personally believe he was one of the most evil men to have ever lived on this planet. I do not support him or his actions. I was simply trying to state that if one country sees an idea that is working for another country, and tries to follow suit, they should not be judged solely on the merits of the person running that other country.


I was not necessarily implying that you would sympathize with Nazi ideology, but I have been witnessing the reemergence of national socialist parties here in Germany for some time and I have grown tired of the same old arguments which seem to attribute Hitler with visionary, if not God-like powers, allowing him to single-handedly raise Germany out of the mires and into a brilliant new world.
So many myths about this man have been spread for so long that some of these seem almost carved in stone, no longer requiring verification. He was neither the military nor economic visionary he has been made out to be. He was adept at manipulating the masses, thus conveying a sense of hope and a new beginning to people unaccustomed to and disappointed with the democracy of the Weimar Republic, craving for the order in the deposed monarchy. In this context (and only in this context) you might compare Hitler's programs with Franklin D. Roosevelt's "New Deal" or John F. Kennedy's "New Frontier". But the comparison stops there since, if one DOESN'T separate the man and the politics from the achievements as you would suggest, one can easily notice a difference. I dare say that the "New Deal" or "New Frontier" initiatives would be judged differently if they had been based on disenfranchising (not to say annihilating) minorities such Afro-Americans and Jews. Kennedy's Peace Corps would (hopefully) have not been received as well if it had been a paramilitary organization named the "Kennedy Youth".
corridor_writers
MaxStirner wrote:
corridor_writers wrote:
MaxStirner - thank you for your open and honest feedback. First let me say that I am not in any way defending Hitler and what he did. I personally believe he was one of the most evil men to have ever lived on this planet. I do not support him or his actions. I was simply trying to state that if one country sees an idea that is working for another country, and tries to follow suit, they should not be judged solely on the merits of the person running that other country.


I was not necessarily implying that you would sympathize with Nazi ideology, but I have been witnessing the reemergence of national socialist parties here in Germany for some time and I have grown tired of the same old arguments which seem to attribute Hitler with visionary, if not God-like powers, allowing him to single-handedly raise Germany out of the mires and into a brilliant new world.
So many myths about this man have been spread for so long that some of these seem almost carved in stone, no longer requiring verification. He was neither the military nor economic visionary he has been made out to be. He was adept at manipulating the masses, thus conveying a sense of hope and a new beginning to people unaccustomed to and disappointed with the democracy of the Weimar Republic, craving for the order in the deposed monarchy. In this context (and only in this context) you might compare Hitler's programs with Franklin D. Roosevelt's "New Deal" or John F. Kennedy's "New Frontier". But the comparison stops there since, if one DOESN'T separate the man and the politics from the achievements as you would suggest, one can easily notice a difference. I dare say that the "New Deal" or "New Frontier" initiatives would be judged differently if they had been based on disenfranchising (not to say annihilating) minorities such Afro-Americans and Jews. Kennedy's Peace Corps would (hopefully) have not been received as well if it had been a paramilitary organization named the "Kennedy Youth".


Well said. I must admit that much of my information comes from resources I assumed I could trust. In fact, the one person who gave so much economic success to Hitler (stating this was prior to him becoming a 'bad' guy) was a university professor with a Ph.D. I suppose that everybody falls prey to hype at some point or another. Thank you again for your candid and honest feedback. The truth is an elusive thing, for sure. Smile
MaxStirner
To corridor_writers:

Rereading my posts, perhaps I should apologize for the rather confrontational tone and I do so. Sometimes my reactions are almost a bit pavlovian which is in part due to my participation in a number of German language political forums*. In the past years we have been seeing the emergence of national socialist ideology within a new generation, one a bit more adept at arguing their cause and even able to find support among those who usually are not politically active or experienced. Fifteen years ago, those spouting NS propaganda were almost exclusively either malcontents looking for ways to leave their mark or skinheads finding this a good excuse for swinging their bats. The new generation is much more middle class and educated, less susceptible to NS ideology themselves, but recognizing the possibilities of a right-wing commitment. We often see these groups in German chats and forums where they have become quite practiced at concerted actions such as flooding specific discussions and giving the impression that their number is overwhelming, so a number of participants (I being one) always attempt to counteract this.

*=i.e. Dol2day (in German) is a sort of online political simulation mirroring the German political system, incl. political parties, platforms, elections, ...
corridor_writers
MaxStirner wrote:
To corridor_writers:

Rereading my posts, perhaps I should apologize for the rather confrontational tone and I do so. Sometimes my reactions are almost a bit pavlovian which is in part due to my participation in a number of German language political forums*. In the past years we have been seeing the emergence of national socialist ideology within a new generation, one a bit more adept at arguing their cause and even able to find support among those who usually are not politically active or experienced. Fifteen years ago, those spouting NS propaganda were almost exclusively either malcontents looking for ways to leave their mark or skinheads finding this a good excuse for swinging their bats. The new generation is much more middle class and educated, less susceptible to NS ideology themselves, but recognizing the possibilities of a right-wing commitment. We often see these groups in German chats and forums where they have become quite practiced at concerted actions such as flooding specific discussions and giving the impression that their number is overwhelming, so a number of participants (I being one) always attempt to counteract this.

*=i.e. Dol2day (in German) is a sort of online political simulation mirroring the German political system, incl. political parties, platforms, elections, ...


No problem, I understand completely. Regarding these social changes, I thought that they deserved their own topic forum here (as we have rather digressed from the original topic above.) With this in mind (as I would love to continue this dialog and learn more about these new social groups to better be able to argue against any extremist views myself) I have started a new thread called "The rise of new NS Ideology's" at http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-90531.html#754652
whitehole
I read too that in WWII the Japanese would place their military headquarters at a Ford Plant in Japan because they knew the US was avoiding targeting Industrial sites that were US companies. I thought it was pretty smart when I read it that they would do that. The US eventually found out about it by a spy but still it worked for a very long time.
corridor_writers
whitehole wrote:
I read too that in WWII the Japanese would place their military headquarters at a Ford Plant in Japan because they knew the US was avoiding targeting Industrial sites that were US companies. I thought it was pretty smart when I read it that they would do that. The US eventually found out about it by a spy but still it worked for a very long time.


Interesting. It certainly makes more sense than using hospitals and schools!!!
webpagist81884
We see corporations trying to make huge profits all the time, thats what outsourcing is all about.
corridor_writers
webpagist81884 wrote:
We see corporations trying to make huge profits all the time, thats what outsourcing is all about.


I'm not sure I follow. What does outsourcing have to do with companies playing both sides of a conflict to make money from war? Are you talking about 'behind the scenes' partnerships with companies who are also working for the 'enemy'? Are you talking about hiring practices? Or giving money to have oher companies do the 'dirty work' so the main company can still make their money while pleading ignorance?
fx-trading-education
I think that many large companies benefited from the war and some of them selling to the Nazis.

Even some countries benefited as well, for instance I think that Switzerland was clearly a country benefiting from the war. The most well known part is probably all money that was left in the banks from the Jews that died. The policy of secrecy is sometimes very useful to cover bad things.
corridor_writers
fx-trading-education wrote:
I think that many large companies benefited from the war and some of them selling to the Nazis.

Even some countries benefited as well, for instance I think that Switzerland was clearly a country benefiting from the war. The most well known part is probably all money that was left in the banks from the Jews that died. The policy of secrecy is sometimes very useful to cover bad things.


As horrible as it sounds, war is good for business. It stimulates the economies and drives innovation (at least in terms of technology used for war.) I am not saying we should all go to war, but it is a fact that war does do these things - its just the way things work.
OpposableThumbs
Edwin Black's book "IBM and the Holocaust." Seems well researched and documented.
muffinman187
war mean business, war is business; not only that without War we can't enjoy everyday material things because it was war that brought out the best in technology.
I read something interesting in Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil, in the book there's a quote that said in War if you win you'll become the greatest hero, if you lose you'll be the greatest evil.

Not all corporations are bad there are actually good corporations as well. As with most of the thread, corporations main objective is to maximize profits but remember corporation do provided jobs to millions of people, how well those company pay is another story.

Yes it suck to find out that we do have allied company doing business with the Nazis but that is just business.
OpposableThumbs
OpposableThumbs wrote:
Edwin Black's book "IBM and the Holocaust." Seems well researched and documented.


Yes: I've read this book. I think this is actually the text that made the IBM-Nazi connection famous. IBM doesn't want to talk about the collaboration to the present day.
asdfawe
oooh dont cry my dears, if ibm profited, its not so bad like you think about it.
near to every german industrie profited of the nazi-germany to.
a few examples: KZ-workers at BMW, Krupp, ... , on farms , ...
and it wasnt the fact that the chef of his industrie had a choice to work with the Kz-workers - he had to.
deanhills
asdfawe wrote:
oooh dont cry my dears, if ibm profited, its not so bad like you think about it.
near to every german industrie profited of the nazi-germany to.
a few examples: KZ-workers at BMW, Krupp, ... , on farms , ...
and it wasnt the fact that the chef of his industrie had a choice to work with the Kz-workers - he had to.


How about Volkswagen? War is probably the same everywhere though, there are always suppliers needed, and somehow the supplies are purchased in bulk, and preferred suppliers become enormous and prosperous companies. The winners! Sad
misterXY
Companies making money of Nazi camps.. that's evil.
Companies use slave shops (that are somehow legal), the workers have committed suicide, work endless hours and have next too nothing too look forward too is death. In this case Apple, they're the "good" company, afterall your all in love with your iPod, yet these guys are the best examples of being extremists in slave shops. Looks like history repeated.........
ronbarak
shenyl wrote:
I found this appalling video of how corporation will seek to profit where millions are killed. An IBM machine (punch card) in every concentration camp held by the Nazi, and IBM is even servicing these punch card machines once every year. With a contract signed between IBM (US) and the German.

Watch this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5UkFVROcVgA
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This is what YouTube give for the above video:
This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.
misterXY
ronbarak wrote:
shenyl wrote:
I found this appalling video of how corporation will seek to profit where millions are killed. An IBM machine (punch card) in every concentration camp held by the Nazi, and IBM is even servicing these punch card machines once every year. With a contract signed between IBM (US) and the German.

Watch this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5UkFVROcVgA
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This is what YouTube give for the above video:
This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

i believe it was probably a scene from a movie called "corperation" or something like that, not a bad movie but IBM? What about Ford? Siemens? Volkswagen?.......... there's actually proof that Milton worked with them... so..
Flakky
The video has been removed. someone has the video online somewhere else?
HoytJolly
I can agree with the general sentiment that war is good for humanity for many reasons. War stimulates creativity and several of humanities better traits. The really terrible thing is the evil that leads to war. Unchecked greed, violence and supremacy can tear a world apart and it must be dealt with. War is the last resort to solve these problems. If a man attacks me, that is oppression. If I fight back, then it is war.

For some reason, I do not think that selling the Nazis Orange Fanta is such a sin. It probably rotted their teeth, gave them diabetes, and funneled their cash into the American Economy.
slimviking
MaxStirner wrote:
corridor_writers wrote:
whitehole wrote:
I mention this fact to people all the time and it amazes them. Another interesting fact is that current American President GW Bush's great grandfather was a nazi sympathizer. I'm not saying GW is a neo nazi but its something that surprises most people whom I mention it to.

Anyways, go capitalism and don't be a nazi!


Interesting - I had never heard that George W. Bush (Sr.) was a Nazi sympathizer…..and I thought I had a good handle on history!

What are your resources on this claim? I am not saying I don’t believe you….I want to know more. Smile


Actually there is quite a bit of truth to this claim. Among a number of other sources and researched data, a 2007 BBC broadcast examines the 1933 coup attempt on then President Roosevelt by US Steel, Remington Arms, J.P.Morgan and Standard Oil as well as owners of companies such as Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea and Maxwell House, and incl. Prescott Bush (Pres. George Bush's grandfather) which attempted a policy change in favor of a number of policies adopted by Adolf Hitler to fight the depression.


I'm not think that this mean nazism neither coup
astl32
Busy lick http://youtube.com/watch?v=5UkFVROcVgA can you find other ?
jajarvin
WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER

So read from here: http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

For example: Henry Ford: Hitler's First Foreign Backer
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_06.htm#Henry%20Ford:%20Hitler%27s%20First%20Foreign%20Backer
RosenCruz
I remember IBM also working for US Army and making money during WWII. That is called business.
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