So many religion, here...telling that they're the right one CHurch which preaches the Truth from Bible.
Isn't they're only the same... ALL RELIGION ARE GODS WORK
Isn't they're only the same... ALL RELIGION ARE GODS WORK
Which Religion teaches the TRUTH
I don't think all religions are the same.... for example, to my knowledge, Christianity is the only religion in which one cannot save oneself, but completely depends on another for salvation.
Yes, most religions present themselves as being the truth. However, I don't believe that they all can be true (especially if you consider the disagreement between evolution and the various creation beliefs). Any religion claiming to be true would have to present an accurate world history as well (which, considering the ones I have encountered all seem to have different ideas as to how the world came about, would mean that there could be only one religion that was actually true).
As for all religions being the work of the same god (if you believe that they are the work of a god, rather than formulated by human minds), I would tend to disagree. For example, the descriptions of the supreme being(s) in the religions I have encountered tend to be different (ie. Jehovah in comparison to Allah; or others in contrast to Buddhism, which, to my knowledge, does not actually believe in a god).
I intend no disrespect towards those who believe in their various religions. If I have made an error in what I have said, then please point it out.
Yes, most religions present themselves as being the truth. However, I don't believe that they all can be true (especially if you consider the disagreement between evolution and the various creation beliefs). Any religion claiming to be true would have to present an accurate world history as well (which, considering the ones I have encountered all seem to have different ideas as to how the world came about, would mean that there could be only one religion that was actually true).
As for all religions being the work of the same god (if you believe that they are the work of a god, rather than formulated by human minds), I would tend to disagree. For example, the descriptions of the supreme being(s) in the religions I have encountered tend to be different (ie. Jehovah in comparison to Allah; or others in contrast to Buddhism, which, to my knowledge, does not actually believe in a god).
I intend no disrespect towards those who believe in their various religions. If I have made an error in what I have said, then please point it out.
I believe that all religions have some truth. And that a person desirous of truth that may be following one or more religions on earth can begin to have a concept of these truths sufficient enough be become morally good.
Truth is progessive from man's point of view and from God's point of view it is absolute. I think that only the creator who was here before everything was created would know all truth. And man on the path of discovery of self and God would them possess truth that is relative to his progess and knowledge while on earth.
Truth is progessive from man's point of view and from God's point of view it is absolute. I think that only the creator who was here before everything was created would know all truth. And man on the path of discovery of self and God would them possess truth that is relative to his progess and knowledge while on earth.
I strongly believe that every religion out there has at least partial truth and partial good. It's really hard to tell which is correct because the only people who can quantitate the existance of a God, afterlife, etc. are people who've already died ... and well, dead men tell no tales, so... We're kind of stuck.
I guess it comes down to personal preference, as for me, I place much more stock in spirituality than religion ... religion is a man-made institution, and thus is flawed, because no man is perfect.
I guess it comes down to personal preference, as for me, I place much more stock in spirituality than religion ... religion is a man-made institution, and thus is flawed, because no man is perfect.
| studprog wrote: |
| So many religion, here...telling that they're the right one CHurch which preaches the Truth from Bible.
Isn't they're only the same... ALL RELIGION ARE GODS WORK |
You can't teach the truth, can you? If so, why don't we know what the truth is? Boy, that's a silly question. The truth about what? Wait, I know. No. I don't.
All religions are the work of man, organized ones at any rate. So much voodoo. I find it incredible that adults could believe in anything they have to say. They thoroughly debase any spirituality a human might honestly experience. I'd have nothing to do with any of them, especially if they claimed to know how to teach the truth.
Seems like talk about nothing.
Yes.
None of them.
They're all tied up in vested and self interests that deflect them from the truths they claim to teach.
They're all tied up in vested and self interests that deflect them from the truths they claim to teach.
I agree with GSIS...
So did God create all religions? YES - if GOD is the alfa n omega in all - and all has to be relative.. then no right or wrong exists. But from the almighty view ; ofcourse GOD is upset about our religions... he is prob kicking his own ass how it came around
So did God create all religions? YES - if GOD is the alfa n omega in all - and all has to be relative.. then no right or wrong exists. But from the almighty view ; ofcourse GOD is upset about our religions... he is prob kicking his own ass how it came around
If I had to pick one I'd say buddhism. Buddhas teachings ask you to not blinly believe but to question and discuss the teachings and find out the truth for yourself. I am deeply suspicious of any religion that you have to believe in without the chance to ever know how much of it is true. Is it true because it's written down in the bible, koran etc? I don't think so.
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Did you consider it a possibility that NONE of them are entirely correct, and perhaps some are even off by a mile?
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It's already been determined (several times in fact) that you CAN have morals without a religion.
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They're all tied up in vested and self interests that deflect them from the truths they claim to teach. |
Sounds like SOMEONE is being bias. Religions today (well most of them) truely believe in what they teach. That may have been entirely correct about 1500, 1000, or even 300 years ago, but that's no longer the case. Religions have little to no power over majority of the world. They're hearts are in the right place, even though they're a bit off...
Three blind men encountered an elephant. The first blind man touched the elephant's trunk and he said, "An elephant is like a hose." The second touched the elephant's side and said, "An elephant is like a wall." The third touched the tail and said, "An elephant is like a rope." Which of them had the truth?
All the major world religions contain truth; only man changes the teachings and thats why it looks like there is only one truth. If there is one God than there is one truth and that truth would have been clear in the original teachings of all the prophet of God.
| Jinx wrote: |
| Three blind men encountered an elephant. The first blind man touched the elephant's trunk and he said, "An elephant is like a hose." The second touched the elephant's side and said, "An elephant is like a wall." The third touched the tail and said, "An elephant is like a rope." Which of them had the truth? |
1) It's seven not three...
2) All three. Note the "like", not "is"; implies that the section of the elephant that they contacted had those properties, but they should have shared information, just as a number of people combine aspects of various religions (the morals of Christianity and philosophy of Buddhism, for example).
HM
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1) It's seven not three... 2) All three. Note the "like", not "is"; implies that the section of the elephant that they contacted had those properties, but they should have shared information, just as a number of people combine aspects of various religions (the morals of Christianity and philosophy of Buddhism, for example). HM |
My point exactly
And I've heard the parable with several different variations, three was faster to type out.
none.
For those people looking in Religion for how the universe came about, I have to say that no religion on earth claims to come with a manual on the creation of the world. No Holy Book says it has been revealed to explain the procedure and science of Genesis of life on earth. But most books claim that it's God was the creator. Of course, any God has to claim it.
God does not need to lay down all the details of how he achieved it in His book. That is not the purpose of the books. But by reading some of the things in those books we can logically determine which might be from a source with Knowledge and which is not.
The Bible says the Universe was created little over 5000 years ago while we know with science that the it is billions of years old.
The Qurans has God describing the Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe, phenomena that were discovered by scientists very recently and no human could have known 1400 years ago.
God does not need to lay down all the details of how he achieved it in His book. That is not the purpose of the books. But by reading some of the things in those books we can logically determine which might be from a source with Knowledge and which is not.
The Bible says the Universe was created little over 5000 years ago while we know with science that the it is billions of years old.
The Qurans has God describing the Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe, phenomena that were discovered by scientists very recently and no human could have known 1400 years ago.
| studprog wrote: |
| So many religion, here...telling that they're the right one CHurch which preaches the Truth from Bible.
Isn't they're only the same... ALL RELIGION ARE GODS WORK |
Well no, it's all mans work based on an unproved concept of "god".
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The Bible says the Universe was created little over 5000 years ago while we know with science that the it is billions of years old. |
Actually, The Bible doesn't give an age to The Universe; the 6000 years is an extrapolation (ie, recorded history).
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| The Qurans has God describing the Big Bang and the Expansion of the Universe, phenomena that were discovered by scientists very recently and no human could have known 1400 years ago. |
The Bible describes the genesis of the planet as per current thought and even Buddhism describes the space between molecules. It's interesting how older religions get a lot of science right that they shouldn't even know...
HM
Religion in the old days was Mans way to explain things before maths and science were understood.
These days it's used in political ways or as an excuse to kill and take over countries!
These days it's used in political ways or as an excuse to kill and take over countries!
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| Religion in the old days was Mans way to explain things before maths and science were understood.
These days it's used in political ways or as an excuse to kill and take over countries! |
Thumbs Up!!!!
You'll have to define "truth" before you can really get into a conversation about this.
Which religion teaches the truth? Well it all comes down to what is the truth, doesn't it? Does anyone know THE TRUTH? When you say the truth its easier to reply to a question like - did you sleep with her - than something abstract and unknown like - where does my religion lead me.
| otiscom wrote: |
| Religion in the old days was Mans way to explain things before maths and science were understood.
These days it's used in political ways or as an excuse to kill and take over countries! |
Which is a rather simplistic view of it, considering that it ignores a lot of what regular people use it for (succor and a moral lighthouse), as well as ignoring that people who use it for politics (ie Bush) generally get disliked for doing so...
HM
| datter wrote: |
| You'll have to define "truth" before you can really get into a conversation about this. |
everything that's not lies then, if that satisfies you.
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everything that's not lies then, if that satisfies you. |
Nope. Truth is not necessarily that which are not lies; it also involves perception at the time. At one time it was considered "truth" that the Earth was flat and orbited by the Sun. Those perceptions have changed over time...It could hardly be argued that those concepts are "truth" today...
HM
god can you not take a joke people? I was just tryin to stop an argument about the defenition of truth sparking up, because it already exists anyway.
A bunch of people made up stuff that appealed to other humans. It became called religion.
Where's the connection with truth again?
Where's the connection with truth again?
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everything that's not lies then, if that satisfies you. |
I'm afraid you're going to have to do a lot better than that.
| MeddlingMonk wrote: |
| I don't think all religions are the same.... for example, to my knowledge, Christianity is the only religion in which one cannot save oneself, but completely depends on another for salvation. |
In Christianity one depends on God for salvation! There's a diffrence between getting salvation one your own and through God. It becomes a selfless act. But thats besides the point. God created everything so only he can give salvation.
im a catholic so i believe my religion... trully 
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (my religion). although, i must say i am somewhat biased 
I do believe that other religions do have some truth, however, (one religion cant have a monopoly, merely a majority).
I do believe that other religions do have some truth, however, (one religion cant have a monopoly, merely a majority).
None of them do. Even if they did, the followers of the religions often contradict themselves and go directly against what the religion preaches.
SCIENCE IS THE RELIGION WHICH reaches out for the truth
honestly i think buddhism is the only honest religion out there..........
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| SCIENCE IS THE RELIGION WHICH reaches out for the truth |
Science is not a religion.
If you want to base a religion on science... go nuts. But it would be a pretty weird religion.
for the simple reason that truth cannot be given. for something to be given it has to be possessed, and truth is not something to be possessed.
we can say things which are true to one another, but we cannot give truth. is cannot be done.
truth is to be experienced.
and to experience truth all religions have to be dropped. this is the only religious approach.
Jesus was not a Christian, Buddha was not a Buddhist, Mohammed was not Muslim. these people were individuals, rebels.
let the boat carry you to the other shore, but the journey does not end there, and you will look foolish carrying a boat everywhere you go. simply thank the boat and let go.
we can say things which are true to one another, but we cannot give truth. is cannot be done.
truth is to be experienced.
and to experience truth all religions have to be dropped. this is the only religious approach.
Jesus was not a Christian, Buddha was not a Buddhist, Mohammed was not Muslim. these people were individuals, rebels.
let the boat carry you to the other shore, but the journey does not end there, and you will look foolish carrying a boat everywhere you go. simply thank the boat and let go.
No religion is teaching us the exact truth. Its all bull crap to say one religio is true and the others are all wrong. It maybe true, but no one knows which one is REALLY the true religion!
Hmmmm...wow. Religion really isn't about the truth. Have you all forgotten what faith is?
| Bryan_Bezzle wrote: |
| Hmmmm...wow. Religion really isn't about the truth. Have you all forgotten what faith is? |
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I'm actually using my belief of scientific truth incorporated into my religious beliefs. Something isn't true until proven to be true in science. In religion, they will tell you a truth and your faith, rather than proof, solidifies that truth.
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