Does it take something happening to the physical body, rendering it non functioning, for a person to actually die? Or can a person be said to have "died" when they "give up" on life? When the life goes out of a person's eyes, when there is no longer any will to go on, and there is the true emptiness of the soul that can be seen, not just spoken of.... Isn't this death?
Please post what you think.
when their brain stops sending signals to their body, and when their heart stops pumpuing blood round it.
thats when your truly dead, all the other emotional side, its just giving up, its not actually dying, its just the will to die.
such is my reconing
my first thought was -> when is a person alive? truely... that's the big spark of life!
back to the original thread...
Since I am not my body the question goes abstrakt. everthing is changing (EVERYTHING) so the answer is when I'm not at my peak of realizing that I am alive!
when U watch I person die (if the mind was in good shape) U can tell when the soul is leaving. It shows preatty clear.
| spinout wrote: |
my first thought was -> when is a person alive? truely... that's the big spark of life!
back to the original thread...
Since I am not my body the question goes abstrakt. everthing is changing (EVERYTHING) so the answer is when I'm not at my peak of realizing that I am alive!
when U watch I person die (if the mind was in good shape) U can tell when the soul is leaving. It shows preatty clear. |
What do you think of the thought that everything is always evolving? Society, biological life, technology, culture, our spirits (kind of like they started as little kid spirits, and they grow up too in a way)...?
If this line of thinking about everything evolving is true, then when someone stops evolving in their minds, there is no further thought, no further growth of ideas - then this is death of thought, death of the mind....does that sound right to you?I answer correct on both questions, but with a twist on no 2.
Hm, I think souls can also start all over if reached some kind of 'nirvana', if 'they' want to. Since all souls are connected in the foundation it's hard for me to write 'they' - I rather write 'we' 
the universe seem to be a big wheel in a way - to exist it must constantly evolve - so to exist 'death' can not exist. The mind, if working, seems to work like the universe BUT->To feel/be alive let's think new thoughts ! I like how positive you are. ) I still think of these bodies as fallible though. They will eventually shut off. But yes I agree with you that our spirit goes on and on - constantly evolving.
And if we are all a part of each other....spiritually.....and God/a God/a Goddess puts us in "hell" or "kills" us, wouldn't that mean that part of the God or Goddess dies as well? Hm, yes of course but nothing 'dies' - just don't meet up to the needs sometimes
Nothing is brought upon you without the permit of the soul, infact it's the other way i think. The soul creates the times so to speak.
To wake up n think you are miserably is not what a god want. Since the souls are part of eachother then also 'GOD' - so if you wake up n think you are the best n godly in every aspect - then you have a happy god... But I think a god don't need anything cos then it isn't a god (most religions have the aspect that some god needs something but it really can't be if it is a god....) | Miriah wrote: |
Does it take something happening to the physical body, rendering it non functioning, for a person to actually die? Or can a person be said to have "died" when they "give up" on life? When the life goes out of a person's eyes, when there is no longer any will to go on, and there is the true emptiness of the soul that can be seen, not just spoken of.... Isn't this death?
Please post what you think. |
That's not death; That's moreso a state of mind - a psychological condition - in my opinion.The human definition of dying is the permanent end of all life functions in an organism or part of an organism. Yet i think that maybe to humans, that is death because thats their definition of it but what about the soul. I think that maybe, although the body can stop working, the soul lives on.
Maybe we can never truly die, only lose all our memories of that life and everything attached to that life.
Dying is when your brain no longer sends messages to your body and your conciousness is lost forever.
the second part is called giving up or a severe case of depression. what I would ask is which one do you think is more frightening? in my case it's the second one.
take care,
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The human definition of dying is the permanent end of all life functions in an organism or part of an organism. Yet i think that maybe to humans, that is death because thats their definition of it but what about the soul. I think that maybe, although the body can stop working, the soul lives on.
Maybe we can never truly die, only lose all our memories of that life and everything attached to that life. |
Haven't you seen tv-shows where people remember past lives?
OK, so remebering past lives is ok! But to remember the afterlife dimension would be a fatal collapse of life! Because then life wouldn't be life! So to not remeber is a blessing!!! | spinout wrote: |
| divinitywolf wrote: | The human definition of dying is the permanent end of all life functions in an organism or part of an organism. Yet i think that maybe to humans, that is death because thats their definition of it but what about the soul. I think that maybe, although the body can stop working, the soul lives on.
Maybe we can never truly die, only lose all our memories of that life and everything attached to that life. |
Haven't you seen tv-shows where people remember past lives?
OK, so remebering past lives is ok! But to remember the afterlife dimension would be a fatal collapse of life! Because then life wouldn't be life! So to not remeber is a blessing!!! |
I've watched superman on tv a while ago... doesn't mean it's true.
I guess I would just have to go with when you're 6 feet under, that's death.
Generally speaking, when the life goes out of someone's lives, their next course of action is suicide. It is death.
Could it not be said that everyone who has a normal and daily routine is dead? If we do the same thing each and every day, then are we alive? My answer is ... no.
Possibly, as soon as our brain ceases to function. Possibly, never.
The interesting thing about the theory of evolution is that it does not answer the most basic questions about life and death - where do we come from, what happens after death, what is the nature of consciousness, etc. The theory suggests that life, reproduction, and consciousness are potentialities of matter, but this merely transfers the old questions from life to matter. Where did matter come from? What is the ultimate nature of consciousness? Is it one thing common to all matter, or is it truly the insulated goings-on in my head, which will cease to be whenever my head ceases to be?
The question is unanswerable. We like it that way!
| Miriah wrote: |
Does it take something happening to the physical body, rendering it non functioning, for a person to actually die? Or can a person be said to have "died" when they "give up" on life? When the life goes out of a person's eyes, when there is no longer any will to go on, and there is the true emptiness of the soul that can be seen, not just spoken of.... Isn't this death?
Please post what you think. |
I feel people that follow other peoples thought, (religion, politics, philosophy, etc) are pretty much dead...they may go through the motions but that's about it...that's dead...
Confident humans are dead humans...the ones that have 'arrived', 'made it', and like that...a confident man is a dead man...
but if just having a heart beating is the criteria, well...
no longer having the will to continue...that would depend...is the person depressed or clinically ill? have they been mistreated? are they suffering more than usual, more than is the norm in any given society?...
lots of different ways to look at what 'death' means...
kind regards...
MReally i think it depends on what someones definition of death is. If life is a process then death would be the actual stopping of the body's processes. However some people may believe in a soul and then there really is no answer. Is a soul eternal? Does a soul die or is one born? Is there reincarnation?
Who knows.
Why not wait and see...
I believe that a person is truly dead when they are brain dead, when they will never feel or think or function anymore, even if they are alive bodywise. However, when one gives up the will to live, sometimes one can muster that stregnth again, and one is not dead, one is just at a bitter, apathetic, emotional void.
It depends on your definition of "dead".
There's the spiritual and the physical. A person is dead physical when there is no brain activity in a person. Spiritually, it really depends on your religion, so it depends on their definition of "dead".
So when you decide which one you want to uphold, then you know what to believe what is "dead".
