Well, I always wanted to ask this! How many actually believe this ludicrous thing about 70 Virgins waiting for you in heaven?
And which god actually says that blow yourself up and I will give you unlimited sex in the heaven?
What do you guys think about this 70 virgins thing?
lol, good question!
Well, I don't believe, even if I was/born Muslim (I see religions like a way of life, a "guide" to make people good, the "70 virgins story" it's like a effort to support people in their tasks, in this case a reaaaally big task)! Yes I'm suspect, a Muslim's answer will be better 
None God say that, that's only a interpretation of the Qur'an. Many Muslims don't believe in that kind of path but we (not Muslims) tend to generalize and think they're all suicide bombers 
Just a question...
Who are you two to question someone's beliefs? Your own religious beliefs can't be proven anymore than their's can.
Sounds like religious intolerance to me...
HOWEVER, I don't think killing... well, murder, such as terrorism, shouldn't be allowed reguardless of religion. Religion should be taken out of the factor when it comes to dealing with people that harm others.
And as an additional side note, you're right, the majority of the Islamic culture don't believe in such a thing...
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Does it actually say 72 virgins? For an eternity? I wonder why a finite number for an eternity... is 72 symbolic of something?
I don't believe in the virgins that should wait in heaven for you. Only i hope that when my day of ascention will come that i will go to heaven and that i can live in peace and that i can help my family from out of heaven.
So virgins or not, let heaven open there gates when i go up.
Islam is not only about 72 virgins. Islam is a complex religion with many facets. Islam has many good things and many traditions and words of guidance for this life and the next. Islam teaches tolerance, human rights, peace, family values, fair trade, politics, medical guidance.
Your interest in asking this question shows that you have some interest in Islam. Now why don't you do some research into the varied and complex teachings of Islam and not simply fixate on this one issue of 72 virgins?
Maybe then you will find something to your benefit. And maybe then you will finally understand the issue of the 72 virgins. And maybe you will realise that God promising a reward for his followers isn't a crime. And maybe then you will see that the issue is more complex than a simple promise of a reward and a Yes or No answer to your question.
May Allah give you the strength and guidance to follow into his path.
| MadeinIndia wrote: |
Well, I always wanted to ask this! How many actually believe this ludicrous thing about 70 Virgins waiting for you in heaven?
And which god actually says that blow yourself up and I will give you unlimited sex in the heaven?
What do you guys think about this 70 virgins thing? |
Peace be upon you.
There is no image of 70 virgins waiting for Muslims in Heaven. This idea was created as a false image of Islam by Christians in middle ages who twisted a particular hadith. What Islam actually says is that when you go to Heaven, you will have wonderful companions. The word companions is not connected to sex.
As for blowing yourself up, that is just some crazy extremists. Islam never said go kill yourself. In-fact, the Qur'an forbids all violence except in self-defence and war. Battles in war must be carried out only against the attacking party (the army) and not against any innocent people, especially women or children. The Qur'an also forbids you to kill yourself which means that sucide bombinb is one hundred percent forbidden, not only because it's forbidden by the Qur'an but also because someone innocent always gets hurt, which is not allowed. The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, even forbade the Muslims to burn trees during war, let alone kill innocent people.
I hope you will take some time in the future to do some research before posting on what you hear from anti-Muslim sites, ignorant people, or the media.
may God bless you.Loyal, you are right, I guess, but still these extremists( also they are just a really small percentage) do believe something like this 70 virgin thing.. Even the muslim hashshashin, did use these kind of dream to make their young members dispise life.. Here is a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin | laurenrox wrote: |
Sounds like religious intolerance to me... |
How do you define "intolerance?"
Respectfully,
M | laurenrox wrote: |
Just a question...
Who are you two to question someone's beliefs? Your own religious beliefs can't be proven anymore than their's can.
Sounds like religious intolerance to me...
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Just an answer...
I questioned someone's beliefs?
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| Well, I don't believe... |
I'm speaking about my beliefs, that by the away are none. I don't believe in any religion and I don't care what others believe, if they respect me I'll respect them. I only think religion it's useful to many people, for example, learning to respect other people.
If you call this intolerance...I'm pretty sure that the "religious intolerance" comment stemmed from the fact that the original argument against the idea of 70 virgins could be paraphrased as,
"This idea is stupid. 70 virgins? That's crazy. No God would say that because I say so."
Laurenox may have been a bit bold in the "who are you to question..." part. If your beliefs can't be defended in questioning then do you really understand what you believe? but I see his/her point.
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| laurenrox wrote: | Just a question...
Who are you two to question someone's beliefs? Your own religious beliefs can't be proven anymore than their's can.
Sounds like religious intolerance to me...
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Just an answer...
I questioned someone's beliefs?
| bloodrider wrote: | | Well, I don't believe... |
I'm speaking about my beliefs, that by the away are none. I don't believe in any religion and I don't care what others believe, if they respect me I'll respect them. I only think religion it's useful to many people, for example, learning to respect other people.
If you call this intolerance... |
sry, I wasn't talking about you... there was another post before yours... not sure what happened to it though...
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I'm pretty sure that the "religious intolerance" comment stemmed from the fact that the original argument against the idea of 70 virgins could be paraphrased as,
"This idea is stupid. 70 virgins? That's crazy. No God would say that because I say so."
Laurenox may have been a bit bold in the "who are you to question..." part. If your beliefs can't be defended in questioning then do you really understand what you believe? but I see his/her point. |
Thank you for clarifing that for me. 
... And for future reference, I'm a chick, who's name is Lauren. My username is laurenrox because I'm so modest. 
... So... yeah... I'm girl... | laurenrox wrote: |
Just a question...
Who are you two to question someone's beliefs? Your own religious beliefs can't be proven anymore than their's can.
Sounds like religious intolerance to me...
HOWEVER, I don't think killing... well, murder, such as terrorism, should be allowed reguardless of religion. Religion should be taken out of the factor when it comes to dealing with people that harm others.
And as an additional side note, you're right, the majority of the Islamic culture don't believe in such a thing... |
Well as far as I can see he was questioning what religion enables people to go out there kill other people and don't feel moraly wrong before or after (if there is an after). And I believe that anyone can and should question anything and everything.
If religion can be a factor in a persons mind before he/she comits a murder, religious intolerance can be called anti-terrorism. So why should religion be taken out of the equasion?
In my oppinion religion is not as sacred as people make it out to be.
take care, | laurenrox wrote: |
And as an additional side note, you're right, the majority of the Islamic culture don't believe in such a thing... |
Is that so?
Who are you to speak for the majority of Muslims?Coclus: I think you can see from your link that those guys no longer exist.
But if you look at today, the military of any country is ready to die for their country. So having such a belief doesn't make a person or group evil or misguided only for that reason.
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Coclus: I think you can see from your link that those guys no longer exist.
But if you look at today, the military of any country is ready to die for their country. So having such a belief doesn't make a person or group evil or misguided only for that reason. |
Yes, for their country and all the people living in it! not for a bunch of made up human beliefs which can't be even proven to exist. Again, your argument is irrational!In terms of personal value a country and its people are equally substantial as beliefs.
And who are you to lecture anyone on irrationality with your Final Fantasy avatar?
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In terms of personal value a country and its people are equally substantial as beliefs.
And who are you to lecture anyone on irrationality with your Final Fantasy avatar? |
Yes but beliefs are not people who can suffer and be killed. unlike beliefs people are not made out of thin air as im sure you'll agree.
And how does displaying a picture of what I like makes me irrational???????First of all, I'm not saying I agree with suicide terrorists - but your argumentation has other implications which I don't agree with. But one good lesson on forums is to avoid arguing for the sake of argument, so I'll leave that.
As for the avatar, it shows you like FF7, which is like an emblem of irrationality to me...
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Well as far as I can see he was questioning what religion enables people to go out there kill other people and don't feel moraly wrong before or after (if there is an after). And I believe that anyone can and should question anything and everything.
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I believe that there was a misunderstanding here (partically because of my choice of wording). When I said, "Who are you to question another religion?", what I meant was, "What's the point of calling another religion ludicrous?" That question (especially since it was taken out of context) was completely warped. Had the second part of that statement been paid attention to ("Your own religious beliefs can't be proven anymore than their's can."), the reader should've realized what I had meant.
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If religion can be a factor in a persons mind before he/she comits a murder, religious intolerance can be called anti-terrorism. So why should religion be taken out of the equasion?
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Here in the United States, you can believe whatever the hell you want to believe. You can believe that God wants you to go out and kill everyone that doesn't believe in the exact same thing as you (as far as religion goes), but the moment that you ACT on that, that's when religion would be taken out of the equation, simply because of the fact that it doesn't matter what he/she believes in anymore, but because they're going out and killing people. To prevent someone from bringing harm to others is hardly religious intolerance.
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Is that so?
Who are you to speak for the majority of Muslims? |
It's not difficult to read up on the religion. A quick Google search will shed some light on that for you.hehe.. never heard of that story.
| MadeinIndia wrote: |
| Well, I always wanted to ask this! How many actually believe this ludicrous thing about 70 Virgins waiting for you in heaven? And which god actually says that blow yourself up and I will give you unlimited sex in the heaven? What do you guys think about this 70 virgins thing? |
First convince me that your own beliefs are not similarly ludicrous and then i'll give you my say about your arguement.ainieas, I know my beliefs and my faith very well. Do you know Hindus never invaded anybody and were a peaceful nation until the looters, i.e the Muslim army invaded India and took control?
Hinduism is not a religion, it's actually much more. It's a way of life. In fact, these Muslims make fun of Hindus that we have thousands of gods...Do they even know 0.1% of Hinduism to comment that way? Hindus have one supreme eternal force. The thousands of gods that they mention is the different personifications of nature which Hindus consider their god. Every part of nature is a god to us, as it is nature that is sustaining our life. We all the wind "Vayudeva", we call the sun "Surya Deva" (The sun god) and so on...If you remember, the greeks had a similar belief structure.
Our Hindu god does not force its followers to pray to him 5 times a day. Our god is not so insecure and egotistic that he would want his subjects to pray to him always. Our god only says one thing. Do good and be good. He does not order his children, i.e us. He does not show his wrath in anger that if you do this you will go to hell if you do this you will go to heaven. No god would hate his children and wish bad of them, even if he commits wrong, he admonishes them and tells them not to repeat the mistake. Of course there is punishment...whether this life or after life, but we can even change that by our actions. But our god always loves his children.
So, would I trust a god who is loving and who loves his children or a god who only orders and keeps conditions? A god who induces them to fight and kill and promises them sexual favors in heaven?
Would your father or mother ever say, son...you do this and we will get hookers for you?
Mate, i dint want a ref check of your religion, i just wanted to show how easy it is to mock something you don't believe in. You see, to an agnostic like me Hinduism doesn't make any sense (as do none of the other religion except Buddhism). So it will be quite easy for me to post some untasteful comments abt it but you see i can't, for the only reason i have no idea about all its different attributes. In your rant abt the vices of Islam did you notice how intolerant you yourself sounded.
Btw about your 70 virgins question i think it is the whole carrot and the stick thing - the virgins are the carrots and the bomb on the chest is the stick. But don't you think as the second largest religious group in the world if every Muslim really did believe that, don't you think there would have been a considerable dent in the world?
Dude, Did you know that Buddhism was an off shoot of Hinduism and actually contains stuff mostly from Hindu scriptures?
Well, about if every muslims believe about the virgin thing, well mostly do but don't have the guts to check it out or they have not yet been zombified by the mullahs. Well, I was not like this but every free citizen is now sick and tired of them. Innocents being killed everywhere. It could be anywhere! And the bombers are not Pakistan trained hardcore terrorists, but normal midddle class muslims, doctors, engineers, etc who live in your neighborhood! It's a clear and present danger! The virus is now slowly spreading to everyone in their community. It might not be very far and each and every muslim is hypnotized and zombified.
Then, we are all doomed!
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| Dude, Did you know that Buddhism was an off shoot of Hinduism and actually contains stuff mostly from Hindu scriptures? |
I was talking more in lines of the absence of a Supreme Deity or the rejection of an abstract God.
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Well, about if every muslims believe about the virgin thing, well mostly do but don't have the guts to check it out or they have not yet been zombified by the mullahs. Well, I was not like this but every free citizen is now sick and tired of them. Innocents being killed everywhere. It could be anywhere! And the bombers are not Pakistan trained hardcore terrorists, but normal midddle class muslims, doctors, engineers, etc who live in your neighborhood! It's a clear and present danger! The virus is now slowly spreading to everyone in their community. It might not be very far and each and every muslim is hypnotized and zombified.
Then, we are all doomed! |
That bad?! What do you suggest should be done?I honestly respect muslims but I do not believe that such things like the 70 virgins thing is something that should be included in a religion.
I mean... why 70? No disrespect but is there a reasoning behind this? Is this really included in your doctrine?
Well to be fair, not all muslims are ready to bomb every mall they see. I have a couple of muslim friends and they are not psychotic.
If 70 Virgins was the highlight of going to heaven - in perspective thats pretty dull really!
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| Mate, i dint want a ref check of your religion, i just wanted to show how easy it is to mock something you don't believe in. You see, to an agnostic like me Hinduism doesn't make any sense (as do none of the other religion except Buddhism). So it will be quite easy for me to post some untasteful comments abt it but you see i can't, for the only reason i have no idea about all its different attributes. In your rant abt the vices of Islam did you notice how intolerant you yourself sounded. |
Hmm. We must be different then. I am an agnostic atheist. I have no trouble making sense out of what they just said. If I was to believe in any God I'd go that way. xDDo female martyrs get 72 virgin males?
Can a gay or bisexual martyr have virgins of their choice?
The topic touches many things in its course and as read all the posts, I wanted comment at many places but it is difficult to hold things together.
So the one thing that I would like to say is that as we beleive that in order to keep peace or defence of your country etc, if people give away life, it is a brave and respectable act. Similarly, as of my knowledge of Quran, the holy book of islam, there is no where that muslims are asked to absolutly kill non mulims but there are always reasons like, "if they kill you then", "if they spread violence" etc. So as I read somewhere on the forums before that Islam gives a complete constitution and a system to govern a nation or a society, so such orders appear reasonable and people giving away thier lives in it are brave and respectable.
I don't know what is the status of present fights and violence around the world as i don't read much news. Killing of innocent people who are not fighting and living in peace is no where acceptable rather in Islam or any other constitution.
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That bad?! What do you suggest should be done? |
Well, Muslims all over the world should realize that they are just making the world a more dangerous place by being angry with everyone. If their faith makes them so angry, then they should actually look at it with an open mind and think if what their book says really makes sense?
They are angry with everyone. They are angry at Christians, they hate jews, they can't stand the sight of Hindus...Don't you think the whole religion in totality needs a psychiatrist?
The whole problem lies in when your god tells that only your religion is true and other religions are crap and its your duty to convert every other person to your religion. The guy who said it started a world war way back then. Who are THEY to impose tax on non-muslims? In fact they proudly say that we are tolerant of other religions but we impose tax on non-muslims for their protection! Holy cow! How silly and moronic is this argument? I mean are these people human beings?
It's a difficult situation. Pseudo secularists will say that not all muslims are the same...well, given an opportunity, every muslim will be the same. Deep inside his/her heart, every muslim has this vengeance about other religions. This non-tolerance view is what creating problems everywhere. These people keep looking for issues to create fights.
Muslims demand freedom of worship, freedom of speech etc etc in other countries. They kill people when their god is insulted. Do you know that in Saudi Arabia, it's forbidden to worship other gods even if you are not a Muslim? In the airport, if you are caught with non-islamic literature of even a photograph of your god, it will be torn into pieces and you will be punished?
Then why should OUR countries give these zealots the freedom they so much demand and kill for? Tell them to do the same for us in their countries and we will reciprocate. | MadeinIndia wrote: |
| ainieas wrote: |
That bad?! What do you suggest should be done? |
Well, Muslims all over the world should realize that they are just making the world a more dangerous place by being angry with everyone. If their faith makes them so angry, then they should actually look at it with an open mind and think if what their book says really makes sense?
They are angry with everyone. They are angry at Christians, they hate jews, they can't stand the sight of Hindus...Don't you think the whole religion in totality needs a psychiatrist?
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Providing one would be tricky! | Quote: |
The whole problem lies in when your god tells that only your religion is true and other religions are crap and its your duty to convert every other person to your religion. |
I thought EVERY religion said that. And everyone does adhere to the last bit even if their religion doesn't specify so. But thats my personal belief.
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| The guy who said it started a world war way back then. |
Hitler?? I didn't get this part.
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| Who are THEY to impose tax on non-muslims? In fact they proudly say that we are tolerant of other religions but we impose tax on non-muslims for their protection! Holy cow! How silly and moronic is this argument? |
To whom are you made to pay tax?
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| I mean are these people human beings? |
Not if you don't think so.
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It's a difficult situation. Pseudo secularists will say that not all muslims are the same...well, given an opportunity, every muslim will be the same. Deep inside his/her heart, every muslim has this vengeance about other religions. |
I'll not comment here because i'm guessing you know more Muslims than me.
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This non-tolerance view is what creating problems everywhere. These people keep looking for issues to create fights.
Muslims demand freedom of worship, freedom of speech etc etc in other countries. They kill people when their god is insulted. Do you know that in Saudi Arabia, it's forbidden to worship other gods even if you are not a Muslim? In the airport, if you are caught with non-islamic literature of even a photograph of your god, it will be torn into pieces and you will be punished?
Then why should OUR countries give these zealots the freedom they so much demand and kill for? Tell them to do the same for us in their countries and we will reciprocate. |
Okay but what countries are you talking about when you say "OUR"?
So we have established that Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country intolerant of other religions. I do think that their laws need a major revamping after a news item today. But of what religion would you call India?
Finally, you didn't reply to my original question- What do you suggest should be done? | ainieas wrote: |
Providing one would be tricky! |
Yes, providing one will be tricky. Ainieas can you tell me what's your faith by the way? You seem to be so sarcastic but lemme explain anyway.
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| The guy who said it started a world war way back then. |
Hitler??
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| I didn't get this part. |
Well. I meant Muhammed. Not Hitler. Muhammed started a world war lasting thousands of years.
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| To whom are you made to pay tax? |
Do you know anything about Islam? Go to google and type Islam.
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Not if you don't think so. |
I really don't think so.
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So we have established that Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country intolerant of other religions. I do think that their laws need a major revamping after a news item today. But of what religion would you call India?
Finally, you didn't reply to my original question- What do you suggest should be done? |
What religion would you call India? What kind of stupid question is it? Don't prove your dumbness ainieas. India is a vast country with many religions in it. Hinduism being the majority. By the way, India has the second largest number of Muslims in it next to Indonesia, more than Pakistan and Saudi, so I exactly know what I am talking about Muslims having seen very close hand what they are about.
So what needs to be done? Well...Keep them away. Don't do any business with them! That's the best solution! | MadeinIndia wrote: |
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Providing one would be tricky! |
Yes, providing one will be tricky. Ainieas can you tell me what's your faith by the way? You seem to be so sarcastic but lemme explain anyway. |
Sorry about that, i didn't mean to sound sarcastic. I thought that was kinda funny!
I do think i've mentioned it before but anyways i'm agnostic. I think belief in religion lead to threads like this.
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| ainieas wrote: | | To whom are you made to pay tax? |
Do you know anything about Islam? Go to google and type Islam. |
I meant living in India, to which Islamic cult (??) are you paying taxes??? You ARE in India, aren't you?
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| ainieas wrote: | So we have established that Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country intolerant of other religions. I do think that their laws need a major revamping after a news item today. But of what religion would you call India?
Finally, you didn't reply to my original question- What do you suggest should be done? |
What religion would you call India? What kind of stupid question is it? Don't prove your dumbness ainieas. India is a vast country with many religions in it. Hinduism being the majority. By the way, India has the second largest number of Muslims in it next to Indonesia, more than Pakistan and Saudi, so I exactly know what I am talking about Muslims having seen very close hand what they are about. |
Actually I was quite sure of what I was talking about. I felt my question did reflect that i had my answer. Anyways what I said was in reference to what you had said - | MadeinIndia wrote: |
| Then why should OUR countries give these zealots the freedom they so much demand and kill for? Tell them to do the same for us in their countries and we will reciprocate |
Thats why I wanted to know which countries you grouped under our.
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So what needs to be done? Well...Keep them away. Don't do any business with them! That's the best solution! |
Do YOU practice what you preach????We see the early times of Islam to find that when they had better understanding of thier boof, they were positive to others in every sense. Like when Mohommad bin Qasim invaded india on the course that an arab merchant ship was captured by the Raja of Makran, he found that the people of the area were also facing miseries due to the emperor and turned his struggle to free all from the situation. Once the Raja was over thrown, he left India.
When muslims defeated rome and perisa, there were no mass killings or hatred seen. Even they allowed jews to keep and live in jeuroselm and they will onle come in the city to offer prayers. Even when Prophet captured Makkah, he did not take revenge with the long standing enemies and announced every one forgiven where as they were the same people who forced him out of that city 8 years before and even tried to kill him, severely injured his daughter and attempted three attacks on them when they were in Madinah apart from other conspiracies.
There are several other stories. My opinion is that the muslims appear to be angry because that is consequence. The truth is that many other nations and groups of people practice hatred against mulims and the brutality the deal with muslims turn muslims angry. Since muslims have a feeling of a nation all over in the world, so when muslims of one region are effected, muslims all around the world become angry.
We can see the examples of brutality in India (Gujrat), Kashmir (gang rapes by Indian army), Palestine (forceful invasion and capture of thier land in 1967), Iraq (continued violence, 10 years of sanctions that left half a million kids dead because of absence of food and medicine), Afghanistan (bonbs dropped in markets, wedding ceremonies with 100s of cevilians including children dead), many other places in world with rules to stop muslims from following thier religious pratices. Media placing blame of every incident on muslims and many times, there is no proof presented. So this all results in angry responce. Of couse there is lack of understanding of Islam among muslims as well and they sometime respond with acts of violence which are otherwise not allowed in Islam.
70 Virgins! When posting, you must have an obvious prove related to where you quote from that "QUESTION". In Islam, I know 90% of it, and I never come across any spot talking about the shyt "70 Virgins". It was late when I read 70 Virgins story on a website developed by a Jewish person. The site was dedicated to create a bad nickname for Islam, so many non-Muslim visitors will believe that 70 Virgins theory is Muslim believe.
If there were 70 Virgins waiting us (Muslims) in the Heaven in exchange of killing innocent ppl, there would be a BIG genocide committed on everyday!
*sigh* No, God does not say blow yourself up and be greeted by 70 virgins in heaven.
The militants brainwash people into accomplishing their political agenda for them, feeding them lies, etc...what some guy telling kids to do, so that he can come into power in the government into a third-world country, is not the Will of God.
Christianity, Islam, and Judaism have just about the same concept of heaven.
I find it hard to believe this, though I do not know the actual answer. Unless I overlooked it and someone already said it, a Muslim in this forum should take into their own hands to disprove this if in fact it is not real. But im willing to bet that if in fact it is a Muslim belief, that somewhere in the Muslim teachings it would be contradicted. OK, so you go to heaven and get 70 virgins you are ecstatic, but what of the lives of the 70 or 72 women? Are they not also in heaven? Why would they have to be ready at your disposal? Like said before this is probably just a way of getting radicals to do what their superiors want. The idea of heaven is available to all. Not just the men.
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| I find it hard to believe this, though I do not know the actual answer. Unless I overlooked it and someone already said it, a Muslim in this forum should take into their own hands to disprove this if in fact it is not real. But im willing to bet that if in fact it is a Muslim belief, that somewhere in the Muslim teachings it would be contradicted. OK, so you go to heaven and get 70 virgins you are ecstatic, but what of the lives of the 70 or 72 women? Are they not also in heaven? Why would they have to be ready at your disposal? Like said before this is probably just a way of getting radicals to do what their superiors want. The idea of heaven is available to all. Not just the men. |
I insist this is not Muslim belief, and is not Muslim teachings. If you belief Muslims teach such STUPID theory then you are WRONG. Muslim's source of teachings is QURAN, if you can understand it go and FIND 70 VIRGINS in it, else, die with your shyts.
As I told you before its DEVELOPED by Terrorist Gangs and then QUOTED by Jews to create a BAD NICKNAME in Islam among the WORLD.
By the Way, Islam is not the Words of ALQAEDA. Islam is the QURAN, in which Humans could not edit or change. | MadeinIndia wrote: |
| ainieas wrote: |
That bad?! What do you suggest should be done? |
Do you know that in Saudi Arabia, it's forbidden to worship other gods even if you are not a Muslim? In the airport, if you are caught with non-islamic literature of even a photograph of your god, it will be torn into pieces and you will be punished?
Then why should OUR countries give these zealots the freedom they so much demand and kill for? Tell them to do the same for us in their countries and we will reciprocate. |
Saudi Arabia is ISLAMIC Country, she Punishes both foreign Muslims and Non-Muslims, thats the rules of the KINGDOM, not the rules of Islam.
In other words, Qatar, Malaysia and UAE, are Muslim countries, they practice the Islamic religion in the constitution of the government, they don't punish Hindus, Judists, Cheristians, Budhists, etc.. Even there are lots of Churches in these coutries. That's what Islam call Freedom of Religions, in which the QURAN Says:
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The Exact meaning in ENGLISH:
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| Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (2:256) |
So, the Kingdom rules never included this verse:
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| Let there be no compulsion in religion: (2:256) |
Wish you all the best... | MadeinIndia wrote: |
Well, I always wanted to ask this! How many actually believe this ludicrous thing about 70 Virgins waiting for you in heaven?
And which god actually says that blow yourself up and I will give you unlimited sex in the heaven?
What do you guys think about this 70 virgins thing? |
yes buddy this is true.... well but you should go to heaven for this... and for entering heaven you ned a pass.. which is good mind, good sould and religious body.... which nobody has... so those virgin's will be virgin forever... | itolerance wrote: |
| MadeinIndia wrote: | Well, I always wanted to ask this! How many actually believe this ludicrous thing about 70 Virgins waiting for you in heaven?
And which god actually says that blow yourself up and I will give you unlimited sex in the heaven?
What do you guys think about this 70 virgins thing? |
yes buddy this is true.... well but you should go to heaven for this... and for entering heaven you ned a pass.. which is good mind, good sould and religious body.... which nobody has... so those virgin's will be virgin forever... |
What about WOMEN with good mind, good soul and religious body...? Isn't it fair to have virgins waiting guys in the Heaven, and VIRGIN men waiting the nice WOMEN in the Heaven, too. | Bryan_Bezzle wrote: |
| I find it hard to believe this, though I do not know the actual answer. Unless I overlooked it and someone already said it, a Muslim in this forum should take into their own hands to disprove this if in fact it is not real. |
| Quote: |
| The concept of heaven in Islam is similar to that found in Judaism and Christianity. The Qur'an contains many references to an afterlife in Eden for those who do good deeds. Heaven itself is commonly described in the Qu'ran in verse 35 of Surah Al-Rad: "The parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised! Beneath it flow rivers. Perpetual is the fruits thereof and the shade therein. Such is the End of the Righteous; and the end of the unbelievers is the Fire, wherein a person dwells forever." Since Islam rejects the concept of original sin*, Muslims believe that all human beings are born pure and will naturally turn to God, but it is their environment and lack of will power which influences them to choose ungodly ways of life. In Islam, therefore, a child who dies automatically goes to heaven, regardless of the religion of his or her parents. The highest level of heaven is Firdaws (فردوس)- Pardis (پردیس), which is where the prophets, the martyrs and the most truthful and pious people will dwell. |
*Adam and Eve are equally blamed for falling into Satan's will and eating from the forbidden tree, and we (people thousands and thousands, perhaps millions, of years later) are not blamed for "the sins of the father".NOt sure if this whole 70 virgins thing is taken out of context or not.
Islam is totally a male dominated religion. Even though they keep saying that women have more rights in their religion, its basically an eye wash and bull crap. They clearly mention that females are supposed to be inferior to males in everything.
Women can't even drive in Saudi Arabia, forget about them getting 70 virgin males in heaven. Even if females go to heaven, they become part of the 70 females who are servicing that one male who has blown himself up for his religion. That's their fate.
As long as humans are beign zombified and being dictated by a book, free thinking and sanity will be killed. I hope they realize that they are creating more harm to the world than good. So imagine, who will get to gain if there was more trouble, more violence in this world? God or Satan? 
Its not 70 virgins dude!!! its seventy two (72).....
U wanted to keep 2 for urself or what???
btw the logic behind 72 is that most of the suiside bombers cant count beyond two digit figures.
60 or 70 is as high as they can go.
| jwellsy wrote: |
Do female martyrs get 72 virgin males?
Can a gay or bisexual martyr have virgins of their choice? |
Good Question !!!
But do a female really have to go to heaven to have 72 males???How do we know a suicide bomber doesn't go to heaven and receives 72 virgins but they are all just star trek convention guys? You ever thought of that? 72 WoW buddies? Huh?
