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glucosamine and joint pain?





hilariouslicorice
I've a good friend who suffers from joint paint, as a result of a lifetime of woodworking. I fear that this may be the beginning signs of arthritis.

A few people I've talked to have given me rave reviews of glucosamine as relates to joint pain, and also arthritis. Does anyone have any related experience with glucosamine? Is it effective? Does it prevent arthritis, or just numb pain? Any other insights, or suggestions on how to prevent arthritis would be much appreciated! Very Happy
Bondings
My parents are using glucosamine. They say (or at least hope) that it works. But don't expect miracles.

If it is really working isn't completely proved, by my knowledge. Wikipedia claims that it has "conflicting evidence as to its effectiveness". ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucosamine )
satksri
Regular normal activity and weight reduction also helps (if it is knee joints). I tried accupuncture and it helped me. I had arthritis because of much trekking in the Himalayas. Am 50 now and am able to still trek with a back pack..
amicalindia
hilariouslicorice wrote:
I've a good friend who suffers from joint paint, as a result of a lifetime of woodworking. I fear that this may be the beginning signs of arthritis.

A few people I've talked to have given me rave reviews of glucosamine as relates to joint pain, and also arthritis. Does anyone have any related experience with glucosamine? Is it effective? Does it prevent arthritis, or just numb pain? Any other insights, or suggestions on how to prevent arthritis would be much appreciated! Very Happy


Yes it help in many cases. Basically it helps to recover the damage to ligaments (wear ant tear) in your joints. If problem lies elsewhere then it will not help. (like erosion in the bone itself)
mikakiev
Glucosamine is beneficial to sufferers of osteoarthritis pain -- both humans and pets. Glucosamine has been proven effective in easing osteoarthritis pain, rehabilitating cartilage, renewing synovial fluid, and repairing joints that have been damaged from osteoarthritis.
deanhills
hilariouslicorice wrote:
I've a good friend who suffers from joint paint, as a result of a lifetime of woodworking. I fear that this may be the beginning signs of arthritis.

A few people I've talked to have given me rave reviews of glucosamine as relates to joint pain, and also arthritis. Does anyone have any related experience with glucosamine? Is it effective? Does it prevent arthritis, or just numb pain? Any other insights, or suggestions on how to prevent arthritis would be much appreciated! Very Happy


A good idea would probably be to get your friend to see a medical practitioner and/or naturopath. Your friend needs to be medically examined and tested and there are ways to do that through blood tests. Also, if he is to take glucosamine it would probably need to be taken in conjunction with other supplements. Probably good to note that glucosamine is quite high in sodium, hence why he should be thoroughly examined and tested first. Joint pain is a symptom of so many things that could be potentially wrong. For example wrong diet, a liver that needs cleansing, lifestyle factors.
Voodoocat
I whole heartedly recommend Glucosamine. I suffered from incredible ankle pain from years of soccer. My x-rays showed that the bones were rubbing together: the cartilage was worn away. The doctor prescribed arthritis strength pain killers and told me I would have to take them for life. Instead, I tried Glucosamine, and was pain free in four weeks. I started with 4500 mg each day (three triple strength tablets) and now take 3000 mg a day.
leontius
My parent also uses glucosamine. I think so far he feels better, and some of our relatives that are doctors do not mind him taking it. So I guess it should help.
Bikerman
I see no particular problems with using glucosamine - there have been several clinical trials and the upshot seems to be that it is safe.

The only proper (double-blind) trial I know of concerning its efficacy as a treatment was done on hip-joint osteoarthritis in 2008. The results indicated that glucosamine was no more or less effective than placebo.
jonchalk
I have been using Glucosamine/Chondroitine (combination) for years. At first it does not appear to work, but I found out it "does" work. How did I find out?

When I had to stay away from home for a few days in a row, I did not have my Glucosamine/Chondroitine with me and within about 3 days my joint pain was very noticeable. The pain got progressively worse over the next few days after. About 4-5 days later I was able to return home and resumed my intake of Glucosamine/Chondroitine and within about 2-3 days, the severity of the pain diminished greatly. The supplement does not take away the pain. It does not "heal" arthritis, but it makes the pain more manageable.

One should not forget to do daily walking for about 15-20 minutes (slow to brisk) outside. Even if you have to use a walker, do it. Just takng the Glucosamine/Chondroitine is not enough. Another thing I do is hydrotherapy on a regular basis. If you are able to do so, you can do range of motion exercises that help prevent "stiffness". Always see your doctor before starting any programs.

I am a strong believer in using Glucosamine/Chondroitine to manage arthritis.
Smile
BigGeek
As far as the medical community is concerned I believe that Chris is correct in that it was done in 2008 and stated that it's effects were placebo and they could find no conclusive evidence of it's effects. Typical, and total bullshit too!

If you look into the sports medicine and athletic journals there have been over 50 double blind studies all confirming it's positive effects on joint pain and repair to cartiledge, tendons and ligaments as well as senovial fluid and the rest. It is one of the more tested and proven supplements on the market, but not by the medical community.

As far as the placebo effect goes, go to the dog pound and find the oldest most arthritic dog in the poind and adopt him, bring him/her home and start them on glucosamine treatments and watch what heppens. Last I checked the placebo effect doesn't work on animals. My dog has totally turned around due to it's use, and he's a smart little fella, but I haven't been able to psyche him out with a placebo effect yet!!

The medical community is so far behind the sports medicine and nutrition community it is not funny, and they need to pull their heads out of their asses and wake up to the fact that there are other treatments besides harsh pharmaceuticls out there. Don't get me wrong, some of the drugs and treatments are advanced effective, but those are the treatments for severe ailments, as far as average everyday ailments that most suffer from, they are decades behind, and stuck with their blinders on. Cool
deanhills
Bikerman wrote:
The only proper (double-blind) trial I know of concerning its efficacy as a treatment was done on hip-joint osteoarthritis in 2008. The results indicated that glucosamine was no more or less effective than placebo.


Perhaps it could have something to do with faith? Smile Looks from the forum that many people could swear by the efficacy of glucosamine. I remember there was a time when I completely believed in Vitamin C. Those efferfescent fizzy ones. As soon as I would get a scratchy throat, I would take it, and voila .... scartchy throat gone. These days it is echinacea - Vogel's - 30 drops dissolved in a lick of water. But back to glucosamine, am impressed by the postings and am going to try it myself as well, especially after reading the posting about the person who had played a lot of soccer, got an arthritis report from the doctor for explanation of his ankle pain, and then glucosamine worked within a month. I also have ankle pain, and got the same verdict from the doctor. Symptoms are the same. So will definitely try it out in the same dosages.
Bikerman
Well, I have no direct experience so I'm not going to offer an opinion based on ignorance - all I did was cite what I know of the medical literature to say that, effective or not, it is almost certainly safe.
If BigGeek is indeed correct about the effect in dogs, then this would certainly do away with the placebo effect but would not, of course, inevitably mean that the same effect would be observed in humans (different physiology). It certainly appears to be the case that much more research is indicated...
ChiroRecruiter
When you hear or read about nutritional supplements NOT helping or that you are wasting your money on them ... PLEASE look at who is doing / supporting the study. You will find more often than not that the pharmaceutical companies who make NO money on supplements are the ones funding those studies.

As to answer your question... yes glucosamine w/chondroiten & msm work. A person should give at a minimum of 90 days of continuous use to decide if it helps or not. Also if one brand shows no benefit after 90 days you may want to try a different brand.

The key is with supplements you usually get what you pay for... in other words don't buy the least expensive one out there! The best one I have found over the counter is Osteo Biflex.
Bikerman
Well,
the research I cited is available for anyone to look at;
http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/gait/qa.htm#about
The funding is transparent and the facilities/personnel/methodology/results are clearly listed.
deanhills
BigGeek wrote:
The medical community is so far behind the sports medicine and nutrition community it is not funny, and they need to pull their heads out of their asses and wake up to the fact that there are other treatments besides harsh pharmaceuticls out there. Don't get me wrong, some of the drugs and treatments are advanced effective, but those are the treatments for severe ailments, as far as average everyday ailments that most suffer from, they are decades behind, and stuck with their blinders on. Cool


This is so true. When I went down the discovery of the root cause and treatment needed for my ankle pain from 27 June to date, that was exactly my experience. A medical doctor could only give the prognosis that if and when the pain in my ankle would deteriorate, I could return for some severe treatment shots into my ankles if I wished that, but could not help me for the immediate ailment. While he was looking over my X-Rays, he was giving me the worst-case scenario analyses in monotones, AND with relish. By the time I left his office, I thought a wheel chair was waiting around the corner for me. I then visited Vancouver, Canada after that, specifically for searching the root cause and treatment for my ankle problem among the para-medical profession. Vancouver is a Mecca for alternative medical treatments and my visits included a Naturopath, Dr. John Matsen in North Vancouver, who helped me with knowledge about cleansing livers from toxins, and via that cleaning the blood, as a necessary condition for health, including looking after digestion. I spent some time with a chiropractor, Traditional Chinese Medicine acupuncture, massage and herbs, and then finally back in the Middle East found most relief with deep-tissue ayurvedic massages. I believe the medical profession has its uses, but agree with BigGeek that their treatments are mostly for severe ailments and they are decades behind in treatment of everyday ailments.
mikakiev
Glucosamine is a sugar molecule that stimulates cells to repair damaged joints and form new connective tissue. . Millions of people currently take Glucosamine to relieve joint pain & inflammation, and the results are outstanding.
Chondroitin stimulates chondrocytes to make new collagen and proteoglycans. . The combination of Glucosamine & Chondroitin help provide the structural components of joint cartilage and inhibit free radical enzymes.
mikakiev
Intraarticular injection of Glucosamine+Chonroitine sulphas gives good results and restores cartilage.
malcolmpreen
Our old dog (a German Shepherd who died just over five years ago) was really struggling on his back legs.... but the Glucosamine/Chrondrotin combination, along with various other drugs (including injections of shark cartiledge ??) managed to keep him comfortable, and happy for an extra 6-9 months.

Without the various drugs I suspect we'd have had to call time a lot earlier than we did...

And as someone else said.... animals don't understand placebo

Malcolm
deanhills
mikakiev wrote:
Intraarticular injection of Glucosamine+Chonroitine sulphas gives good results and restores cartilage.
Can one get it from you doctor, or does one have to go to sports specialists?
mikakiev
deanhills wrote:
mikakiev wrote:
Intraarticular injection of Glucosamine+Chonroitine sulphas gives good results and restores cartilage.
Can one get it from you doctor, or does one have to go to sports specialists?

Usually orthopedic surgeon or rheumatolgy specialist can perform an intrarticular injection.Sport doctor is OK.I dont think that GP can do it.Medicine can be ordered through the internet or prescribed by a doctor.Over the counter medicine is usually a pill.
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