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Software Piracy - Ethically wrong?





trousersalive
Piracy is considered to be a horrible evil and is prosecuted heavily, but is it really that bad. Software companies such as microsoft charge absurd amounts for there products and reap extraordinary profits. Wouldnt piracy be much less of a problem if they actually charged realistic prices for their products?
[FuN]goku
Not really in my opinion, suppose someone needs something really quickly, and its really cheap software to begin with say 20 bucks , but it takes 2 weeks for shipping but that person needs it then, and they dont give out the serial via email or anything, wouldnt that be a reason to download it? i probably would. I mean if i didnt need it at that moment i'd probly wait the 2 weeks for shipping.

However M$ does overcharge for their software imo. And why should companies care, unless theyre a small company, like .... they make enough money anyways, take Blizz@rd Entertainment for example, and their older games like Diablo, or Starcraft, They made enough money on those years ago in the 90's and now you can buy the battlechest for like... 10 bucks or something, or world of warcraft, they make way too much on that, they got the original, then the expansion, then the 20 dollar monthly fee (canadian dollars) times that by approx. 9 million players per month thats alot of money , yet others choose to play on the pirated wow servers, whether they already play on retail or not. I see no problem in this, they make alot of money off the game from the monthly fee, the pirated servers, shouldnt be illegal, as long as they arent making money off of it, like some are.
Studio Madcrow
In my opinion, it depends. Some activities considered piracy (such as using/downloading old versions of current programs or programs that are no longer sold) are morally "clean" in my book. Others (like pirating current versions of stuff to try learn the software or to use a program at home that you also use at work or school) are worse, but still OK. Pirating software for commercial gain is always VERY wrong. This includes both selling pirated goods and using pirated software to do/create things that make you money.

Note, I feel that all (non-abandonware) game piracy is wrong. Unlike productivity and art software which have a large base of companies which DO purchase the product and thus keep the companies that write the stuff in business and all, games are marketed (and bought) by the same sort of people who pirate games. Thus while companies don't lose money on "unauthorized" copies of productivity software, they DO lose money on pirated games. So don't pirate games, mkay.
aningbo
bloody pirates but they rule lolz

i;'m just a student and cant effort to buy those softwares.... its the government that doesn't do anything to stop it too!

u go to nehru place in delhi (india) and u will find people selling softwares/games as if it is a vegetable market...!!!
ssthanapati
well u can get xp very easily. all u need is a 25cent CD and a friend who has a copy of it. Well this is piracy for sure but ppl r ready 2 do that if they are saving more than $200 for the same thing
pudding
I guess if you just downloaded something for free once, you will do it again so no matter what the prices are, depending on how available a product is you'll download it for free, or pay. Risks are just small enough not to get caught.
trousersalive
[FuN]goku wrote:
Not really in my opinion, suppose someone needs something really quickly, and its really cheap software to begin with say 20 bucks , but it takes 2 weeks for shipping but that person needs it then, and they dont give out the serial via email or anything, wouldnt that be a reason to download it? i probably would. I mean if i didnt need it at that moment i'd probly wait the 2 weeks for shipping.


Sure, but what if you could get it at the corner store for $20 instead of $200. At the end of the day piracy is theft and should get the same moral considerations.
djclue917
trousersalive wrote:
Piracy is considered to be a horrible evil and is prosecuted heavily, but is it really that bad. Software companies such as microsoft charge absurd amounts for there products and reap extraordinary profits. Wouldnt piracy be much less of a problem if they actually charged realistic prices for their products?


In my humble opinion, piracy, in any form, is really ethically wrong. I mean how can it be not? Right? As for software piracy specifically in Microsoft's case, they are actually benefitting from it, indirectly that is. Piracy of Windows is like wildfire which is virtually unstoppable. That accounts for the great number of users that are using or have used Windows.
coreymanshack
I think piracy can be an ok thing if you are not making a profit from it and are using the software for personal use. I used to be a pirate. But I try to look for free alternatives to the name brand software now. Because being a pirate is hard work.
aningbo
coreymanshack wrote:
I think piracy can be an ok thing if you are not making a profit from it and are using the software for personal use. I used to be a pirate. But I try to look for free alternatives to the name brand software now. Because being a pirate is hard work.


hahaha i like this.. i'm still a pirate bt i'm not making any profit out of it of course.
coreymanshack
aningbo wrote:
coreymanshack wrote:
I think piracy can be an ok thing if you are not making a profit from it and are using the software for personal use. I used to be a pirate. But I try to look for free alternatives to the name brand software now. Because being a pirate is hard work.


hahaha i like this.. i'm still a pirate bt i'm not making any profit out of it of course.


I'm really not a pirate anymore. I switched from windows operating system, witch made things a whole lot more easier to NOT be a pirate.
aningbo
that sounds fair enough... lolz

m enjoyin the pirate life though.
qscomputing
trousersalive wrote:
piracy is theft

Congratulations for being snared by Hollywood's piracy == theft campaign. It isn't.

Now I'm not advocating piracy here, but the fact remains that theft is a completely different legal concept to copyright infringement. It may be analogous to theft but it is not the same thing.
Da Rossa
This is a complicated discussion. Companies like M$ and Adobe spend a lot of money to make their software flow fine. But these two are quite different: Adobe products are designed to creation professionals, that don't usually mind paying once for a good application. Micro$oft, on the other hand, has developed an OS for a massive usage worldwide. We must thank M$ for that, if it wasn't for Windows, many people wouldn't have gotten introduced to the computers until today. However, the price charged is too savage. If you look to the giant picture, it would be a nice thing for humanity if those OS's were 50% cheaper: the poorer countries would buy them more regularly and M$, I think, would have a greater income. This would mean new investiments in the OS itself.

I used pirated softwares. I know it's immoral, but my productivity AND happines has improved a lot. Know, fortunately, I have a genuine WinXP, but I can't say the same for all my other applications.
LuXTheReaper
Imo yeah its ok especially if its overpriced. i was shopping a few days ago and i saw the new photoshop cs3 for 800 bucks. The upgrade serial which was in a tiny box was 450!!!If you want to charge 450 for something that small the box better be made of gold or something.

I have a working/pirated version of CS2 and if it cost nearly as much as CS3 then yeah it was well worth downloading.
Jaan
If you use it, then you should buy it.
Piracy is wrong.
coreymanshack
Jaan wrote:
If you use it, then you should buy it.
Piracy is wrong.


You are right to an extent. Buy the product when it is at a reasonable price, and only if you liked using it.
Da Rossa
M$ would make more profit in Brazil and China if it's OS's costed R$ 30,00 instead of 700.
simplyw00x
Whilst I do pirate software, I can't defend it morally - I know it's wrong but I also know I don't (and will never) have the money for a $1000 copy of Photoshop or a 200 copy of Office. Software is overpriced,and the industry uses dirty tricks to maintain demand and drive upgrades, but not *all* software is over-priced and it's not up to the individual user to decide which software it's 'right' to break the law to obtain for free.

If you think MS products are over-priced and bad, don't use them. There are incredibly few proprietary products that are actually necessary and if people would stop paying the huge amounts the companies charge for them then the prices might become more reasonable.
J-Evil
If you get caught: yes.

People that get caught will be sent to jail and/or fined heavily and frowned upon by society for stealing.
coreymanshack
J-Evil wrote:
If you get caught: yes.

People that get caught will be sent to jail and/or fined heavily and frowned upon by society for stealing.


Why would you get caught? You gonna go brag to the police that you are pirating things?
burqe
Since it is thier work and thier business, it is quite right to charge what ever they like. Specially because these things are not basic needs of life. For basic needs of life, there is a limit ot profitablity but above that, like for gold and castles, any one can ask for any price if he owns it. I knwo some of you may argue but this is the logical description of problem in our constitution.

However, if you think that in this era, these things (software) has also become a basic need, then there are choices avaialble. For OS, you can use free linux where all office appllications, games, browser, developer tools etc are available. Many of the basic software needs are now available as open source and GNU. Actually, the concept of Open source is gaining fame because of this monopoly of software giants. Any way, microsoft now understands that in near future, thier software products will no longer earn them much money and that is the reason they are bringing more and more hardware products.
simplyw00x
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Since it is thier work and thier business, it is quite right to charge what ever they like

Free market capitalism is not the answer to all woes, dear.

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Specially because these things are not basic needs of life.

If there is a market need for a product, that does not necessarily justify charging far above the product's worth.

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Actually, the concept of Open source is gaining fame because of this monopoly of software giants

Actually the monopoly is making it harder for OSS to grow. The forced interoperation with standards and products that are anything but 'standard' - in fact deliberately opaque systems to prevent competition - hinders the development of projects like Ooo immeasurably, and prevents many from switching.

Were there open competition, standards would be a requirement for commercial companies in a way that they are not now, and Open Source programs would see a level playing field.
fadirocks
I do fine with free software Smile no need to pirate anything Smile
but is it ethically wrong, it's ethically wrong when you like the software so much but you don't buy it!!! but there are many crappy softwares that you just want to try them out before paying $$$$$ for them and some of them you wish you can just pay less

for Microsoft I don't feel it's ethically wrong to priate it because Microsoft just made me lose so much time, in the time I spent fighting MS I could've been richer, happier and maybe more in shape!!! I should charge MS for the time wasted because of bad design, bad programming & bad security
j_f_k
LuXTheReaper wrote:
... snip... The upgrade serial which was in a tiny box was 450!!!If you want to charge 450 for something that small the box better be made of gold or something



ha ha ha you sound like one of my university lecturers. When I went to uni years ago it was assignments handed in on fanfold paper not electronic media - his idea of marking to stand at the top of the stairs and drop the assignment and see how many steps down the assignment made. More steps the higher the mark.

Photoshop is an incredibly complicated product (IMHO the best computer software package of all teim) written incredibly well and worth every bit (if you're a professional graphics person) if you consider the skill and time spent by the people building it. Yes GIMP is pretty good and so is PSPro but they're no where near.

I think when you have joe Crap software for $50 and the same or better freeware software is available, then to me 'cracking' or copying the joe crap variety is not morally reprehensible as they don't deserve to be paid for peddling crap when free legitimate software is out there. Many CD/DVD authoring tools fall into this category - as the basis of these are often freeware libraries which they've simply glued together (most probably breaking the GPL or LGPL).

Ps - Lux, I have a really great piece of software which I'll sell to you a snip for $1000 plus $100 delivery. Its called 'Hello World' and what it does is you run it and it prints 'Hello, World' on the console. Neat eh! - Its worth every cent as it comes in a really big box! (hence the $100 delivery). Contact me for details
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