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Global warming is an extremely hot topic these days but why? no ones doing anythign about it, i mean i live in Hong Kong and im 15 yrs old the temperature here has rised alot this year, it has been warm throughout the year.
Ice caps will melt, and sooner or later before you know it the world will be flooded..
Lets do somethinga bout it? im 15 and i recycle i care about the environment  and i want you all to do too it takes what? 20 minutes of your day to just contribute a lil recycling
Lets save this world and make it better for the yet to come generations.
Thank You
| Fariza wrote: | | the temperature here has rised alot this year, it has been warm throughout the year. |
Global warming right now is merely a trend leading to average increases in temperature of a fraction of a degree per year at most. Having a warmer year is not global warming, it's just a warm year. Some year 150 years ago might be warmer than last year, there's a lot of variation involved in individual seasons.
| Fariza wrote: | | Ice caps will melt, and sooner or later before you know it the world will be flooded.. |
Although ice is melting, the change is very gradual. See levels won't rise fast enough for anything like a flash flood to happen. For specifics, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Recent_Sea_Level_Rise.png
I do think we have to take steps to stop global warming, because in the end it will affect our life's.
I think it is a good thing that we reduce CO2 emission, because the ozone is already damaged. it might be a trend that is coming back in a couple of hundreds years, tho we can't take the risk. We have to reduce emissions of hazardous gazes and we have to spare our natural resources, if we don't do that our children won't have a future....
Wether you believe in climate change or not, it's still worth it to do your part to help the environment! And every little bit helps, I try not to get discouraged thinking "I'm only one person", because I know I'm not, millions of people are joining the green movement.
Check out these of my favorite sites on this topic:
http://www.zerofootprint.net/
http://greenoptions.com/
http://www.recyclethis.co.uk/
http://www.arcosanti.org/
http://www.idealbite.com/
http://noimpactman.typepad.com/blog/
http://www.exxposeexxon.org/
and www.environmentaldefense.org/
These are really good websites and organizations, most of them you can sign up for newsletters that give you either information, or let you take action on certain things - environmental defense.org lets you sign petitions and e-mail senators about green legislation.
CO2 doesn't harm the ozon, it is like an extra layer. There are gasses that harm the ozon but CO2 is not one of them.
| Quote: | | im 15 and i recycle i care about the environment Very Happy and i want you all to do too Very Happy it takes what? 20 minutes of your day to just contribute a lil recycling Very Happy |
And doeing something that really makes a difference costs millions and nobody wants to pay that.
There is no way we will reduce CO2 gas as much as needed. So we just have to hope nature will restore everything.
I think that global warming is a problem. Definitely. It might not seriously affect me in my lifetime, it might not even seriously affect my children in their lifetimes. But it's definitely going to start screwing things up eventually. And as of right now, the Earth is the only planet we have to live on, and we're probably still years from lightspeed travel. That does not seem to spell too well for us should global warming cause temperatures to rise above tolerable levels, or permanently wreak weather systems so that food is hard to grow, etc.
Also, when I went to China this summer, there was 100 degree weather for at least twenty days in a row. It used to be that temperatures at 97 or so degrees meant a day off for everyone because it was too hot for work. Now no one blinks at this 100 degree weather. So I think that global warming definitely exists.
global warming is eventually going to cause major problems. Today we are only seeing minor changes to the environment. But I think ,in a few hundred years, animals requiring cold climates would die, and every person on earth would be required to have a pool in their back yard.
Really? I do not believe this argument 
I think many people have realized this problem.
But the importand thing is not being worried, we must try our best to change it, including govements,factories.
| rvec wrote: | CO2 doesn't harm the ozon, it is like an extra layer. There are gasses that harm the ozon but CO2 is not one of them.
| Quote: | | im 15 and i recycle i care about the environment Very Happy and i want you all to do too Very Happy it takes what? 20 minutes of your day to just contribute a lil recycling Very Happy |
And doeing something that really makes a difference costs millions and nobody wants to pay that.
There is no way we will reduce CO2 gas as much as needed. So we just have to hope nature will restore everything. |
Yeah costs millions T_T so sad.
CO2 is only bad because it traps heat within our system and thus causes problems. Methane is also just as bad, so stop farting k? Don't eat beans.
The major problem with ozone layer is more of NOx gases and sulfar oxide type gases, these really destroy the ozone layer. I believe NOx gases cause a chain reaction in which NOx breaks up O3 into O and O2 now normally what happens is that uv light comes in and breaks O3 gases into O and O2 gases and then O and O2 gases reform into O3 but NOx gases intervenes and mixes with the O2 and O gases in different ways and cause the Ozone to lessen. I don't think this problem is as great as before as our Ozone if I'm not mistaken has recovered.
If you want to make a difference in global warming (as a normal person), ride your bike, stop using your car but just remember there are millions and millions of people still driving their cars, you won't make a difference. Campaign for carpooling in your area especially at your school if you talk to administration to help setup carpool systems, then that actually may help make a small very VERY small difference but still better than just you not driving.
I think what you have to take into account is that if the ice caps do melt and the sea levels rise, will your conscience be clear? Did you do enough to prevent it from happening, or did you just sit back and say 'it's not my problem'?
I recycle a good amount of my rubbish and i try to limit the impact my life has on the environment. OK, my contribution is small, but when the worst happens (and lets not kid ourselves, at this rate it will) my conscience will be clear; i will know i did something to help.
The other thing you have to think about is that the rate of GW could be significantly reduced if the worlds governments actively did something to help. It seems to me that people are unwilling to spend money on helping the environment, and would rather spend it on 'more immediate problems'; if this continues, GW will become the 'extremely immediate problem'.
You see my point.
Climate change is not a debatable issue , unless you are a scientist with real scientific research/data, and i assume that most people are not. The scientific research proving the reality of climate change is overwhelming and the consensus of scientists worldwide that climate change is really happening is without question. except if you ask media outlets controlled by rupert murdock as an example. there is only "confusion" in the media about climate change, none amongst scientists.
what is really driving climate change? the use of fossil fuels is the main way we are creating emissions for 3 of the 4 types of greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide). Whether the emission was caused at the point of extraction from the ground, during refinement, distribution or when it is finally burnt doesn't matter, when you use either fossil fuels or fossil fuel energy you create emissions for 3 greenhouse gases at once.
you might then ask So how do we use fossil fuels?
When we transport either goods or people and most of the transport industry revolves around moving goods and not people as is commonly assumed. Whether it's by car, boat, plane or train, 99% of the time the fuels used to drive these machines are fossil fuel based (i.e. petroleum based).
The electricity that we use at home and at work is mostly generated by the burning of fossil fuels. This is the case for most of the industrialized nations of the world.
The industrial manufacturing of things like paper, food, petroleum, chemicals, and thousands of other products uses fossil fuels in 2 ways:
1) By directly using fossil fuels to create heat and steam needed at the various stages of production.
2) Since they use more electricity than any other sector, they create emissions through the use of electricity (generated from fossil fuels).
go to my website if you want to learn more about your impact on climate change
http://www.whatsyourimpact.co.nr/
This stuff gets me really MAD. Why cannot the People who have MADE BILLIONS of pounds from polluting our enviroment be brought to task for it. E.G The bosses @ Shell, Haliburton, BP etc
Theese people are very very wealthy from exploiting our earths natural resources, they have the power to do something about it. They should have to give up EVERY last penny to charities which will try to combat climate change. Also the logging companies who are deforesting Brazil. Also the World bank who make money from financing power and Gas projects in the developing world.
If we lived in a really civilized society this would happen and justice would be served. As it is, individuals can do what they want but really it is completely unfair for govenments to ask us to do our bit to solve a problem WE didn't create.
There's a lot written about climate change and there is no doubt that there has been an increase in worldwide temperature over the last 30-40 years. While this coincides with a rise in greenhouse gas emissions, look up ' temperature record' on Wikipedia. We had a similar warming spell in the 1200's and the view over 100,000 time year horizon shows the variation we are seeing today to be nothing spectacular.
I'm not saying we should all get in our 4x4s and jet off everywhere, nor am I saying there isn't a problem, however I think the media are certainly helping to pump home a fear of global warming and my cynical mind has to ask why the governments want to do this - and the answer is -- tax.
In the UK there's now an emmissions tax for flying, we have congestion charge in London and soon other cities, talk of extra parking taxes for 4x4s (don't get me wrong - they're obnoxious things!). None of these taxes existed as little as 5 years ago - but we all pay up and no ones complained about them (note not - increasing an existing tax but Adding a New Tax!!!) and because we think it helps to curb global warming - and that is a Good Thing, whereas what it is doing is really taking more of peoples business/travel dollars and adding it to goverment coffers. Anyone complaining about these new taxes is the antichrist.
If the goverments (esp the one run by mr Oil Man) were serious about GW they would and fund and help research into solar power, and clean-emmission systems looking at setting a similar infrastructure to the one that we currently have for petrol to cater for these types of fuel
Climate cycles have been common throughout the Earth's exsistance. Temperature swings are normal. That does not mean we should not make every effort to reduce our impact on the planet.
It will not be possible to reduce our carbon emissions to zero, at least not with current technology anyway. Now while we must of course seek to reduce our impact on the environment, we also need to consider the ways in which we can adapt to the changing climate. Unfortunately this side of climate change is rarely given any publicity at all, but if we fail to adapt, then that will cause huge problems.
I don't know about a world's end with global warming. But I think it only makes sense to respect the very fragile environment will all live in. If we respect life isn't that much harder and it is actually more satisfying and better for us. It just makes sense to be natural. It makes sense to eat natural foods. It is just very hard now that the world is overpopulated. But we can all do our little bit. While your at it start buying local produce because your saving the emissions of transport and not adding to the huge fairtrade problems we have in the world.
| Quote: | | This stuff gets me really MAD. Why cannot the People who have MADE BILLIONS of pounds from polluting our enviroment be brought to task for it. E.G The bosses @ Shell, Haliburton, BP etc |
They only pollute if we buy their products. If we stop buying their products then they will stop extracting oil, coal etc..
Personally I think it's too late to avoid some sort of catastrophe. The earth we have can cope with perhaps 1 billion people living at an average west-european standard. So either we will have to decrease our standard of living to a fifth or 4 billion (of 5 billion) people will have to "be removed" from the planet somehow. Either a devastating war or a series of major catastrophes will take care of that. Rising of the sea level, temperature increasing by a few degrees and people dying of heat an thirst/starvation, poisoning by pollution, diseases. Somehow nature will cope, but I don't know how it will go for mankind.
Ladies and gentlemen, I point you to the single article that may change (or affirm) your view forever.
http://howtonotsuck.com/viewarticle.php?id=37
and
http://howtonotsuck.com/viewarticle.php?id=38
Basically, they "prove" that humans couldn't cause global warming if we tried. It's certainly an interesting read (who knew NASA suffered from the Y2K bug?).
Global warming is a big problem, but the number of people it could (theoretically) displace/disrupt is much smaller than other problems that our species faces. For example, there are still something like 800million cases of malaria a year, with about 8-10% of those who get it die, which is an entirely preventable disease.
well even though global warming is a problem i think most people look at it as "well it won't happen in my life time so why worry about it." It's sad, but i know that's how a lot of people i know feel. Things are bound to change eventually, one way or another. I already recycle, and i don't litter at all. Only problem is i don't know if my college recycles. I just started my first year and i haven't seen any where to recycle :/
i guess not... it will be the humanity ending. Nature can be injured for sometime but will never be total destroyed. That's my 2 cents
| jharsika wrote: | | Wether you believe in climate change or not, it's still worth it to do your part to help the environment! |
So long as "your part" doesn't include some nit-wit trying to destroy modern economics for the sake of something that might or might not be caused (in significant amounts) by us, and might or might not have more of a bad effect on us in the future than a good effect. 
I do agree that, for the sake of pollution, not global warming or what ever disaster is is this decade, we should do what we can to stop pumping pollutants into the system, and stop our dependency on the oil from those menacing oil mongers...
if it kills me it will put me out of my misery lol... that's how i see it.. if it happens it happens...
I do believe in global warming though... it is hot as i ever remember here lately.. it's insane.
| Srs2388 wrote: | if it kills me it will put me out of my misery lol... that's how i see it.. if it happens it happens...
I do believe in global warming though... it is hot as i ever remember here lately.. it's insane. |
Yes, it's hot. I don't remember it being this hot for almost 3 decades. Right about the time the big deal was global cooling. Or was that acid rain? I get confused keeping all those global catastrophe theories separate. I wonder what it will be in 2010...?
I also know that, looking down from Arrowhead Mountain into the San Bernardino valley is much cleaner than it was 15 years ago. Much cleaner. (I guess that whole thing about the US reducing it's Co2 is true... wonder what it's like in some of China's valley's compared to 15 years ago... *cough*Kyoto Treaty Bullshit*cough*) 
| standready wrote: | | Climate cycles have been common throughout the Earth's exsistance. Temperature swings are normal. That does not mean we should not make every effort to reduce our impact on the planet. |
But stop the presses. I am not worried so much about gobal warming until the gobal dimming is reduced enough to seriously allow it. Then look out!
Well what ever happens, the sooner we humans die the better for earth i mean its not like we take care of it whether it global warming is real or not will find some other way to destroy it. But as far as i am concerned global warming is real
Have you ever read Michael Crichton's State of Fear? It's a techno-thriller about global warming. Even though it's a novel, the science he introduces about global warming is legitimate...he gives a pretty interesting new look at global "warming".
Maybe this is a dumb comment/questions, but will the sea levels really rise if the ice caps theoretically melt? I mean with the principle of conservation of matter and matter displacement, there is the same about of matter in a glass of water wether the icecube is whole or it melts right?
| jharsika wrote: | | Maybe this is a dumb comment/questions, but will the sea levels really rise if the ice caps theoretically melt? I mean with the principle of conservation of matter and matter displacement, there is the same about of matter in a glass of water wether the icecube is whole or it melts right? |
Yes, they will. Let me ask you this, "Does water expand or contract when frozen? So Ice would do what when heated?". Have fun, make some ice cubes.
Nice articles, very interesting. It would be nice if they included some more detailed references though. Information is only as good as its source; a good source has references.
| Quote: | I think that global warming is a problem. Definitely. It might not seriously affect me in my lifetime, it might not even seriously affect my children in their lifetimes. But it's definitely going to start screwing things up eventually. And as of right now, the Earth is the only planet we have to live on, and we're probably still years from lightspeed travel. That does not seem to spell too well for us should global warming cause temperatures to rise above tolerable levels, or permanently wreak weather systems so that food is hard to grow, etc.
Also, when I went to China this summer, there was 100 degree weather for at least twenty days in a row. It used to be that temperatures at 97 or so degrees meant a day off for everyone because it was too hot for work. Now no one blinks at this 100 degree weather. So I think that global warming definitely exists. |
Such a load of BS! Global warming is nothing more than a political stunt being used to promote globalization. The UN wants to rule the world by the year 2015. And the only way they can do that is to have a One-World Government. By telling the world, we have to work together to solve a common problem, the UN can govern a proposed solution. Fact is, Global warming definitely dose NOT exists. However, I believe their efforts to fool most of the world will succeed because the Bible says so.
Rvec:Please use the quote BBCode tags when Quoting other posts.
lol What does co2 mess up the ozone layer? because ime not gonna stop playing paint ball LOL.
Global Warming is a sham. Actually, I should say that man-made global warming is a sham. Everyone knows that the Earth's temperature goes up and down naturally, due to it's own atmosphere and the activities of the sun. The whole man-made global warming fearmongering is just a ploy to get money from the first world countries to countries like China and India. That's all.
If that wasn't the case the Kyoto Protocol wouldn't have provisions in theree for carbon credit trading. Last year (or the year before), Europe sent BILLIONS of dollars to other countries like China for carbon credits. So what did they actually get for their money? NOTHING. The whole carbon credit thing doesn't do anything to help reduce CO2 emissions. It helps keep them the same when we are told to reduce them.
The people who try to scare us about global warming are the same people who protest against globalization. So I don't think it's about world domination. It's about disliking living in a rich country because you feel guilty, so you try to make your country poor by getting them to give money to other countries for nothing. And why is a lot of the money going to China? They are THE WORST polluters in the world. Read this and you'll see how bad it is in Beijing.
But you still think it exists. You look at the paper mill on the horizon with its smoke stack billowing out a white cloud. It looks huge...from the ground. Install Google Earth and zoom in as close as you can to the factory or plant or whatever you see churning stuff into the air. Then slowly zoom out. Keep zooming out until you see the whole planet. What looks big on the ground is miniscule in the real scheme of things. The diameter of the atmosphere gets expontentially bigger the higher up you go.
Also, this summer has been cold. There was maybe two weeks total work of very hot days. The rest were wiether nice and warm where they could be enjoyed, or quite cold for summer. Does that mean an ice age is coming? Of course not. Just like a very hot summer doesn't mean golbal warming is coming either. Weather changes; some yeasr it's hotter or colder than others. That's just how it is. Sure, It's hotter in New York City now than it was 120 years ago. But NYC is also a hell of a lot bigger and has a lot more pavement, which makes it hotter. The rural ares of New York State are not any hotter, and are even cooler in some cases.
But wait! The polar bears are dying from the melting ice! Everyone's seem that picture of the bear on a piece of floating ice! Yes, they have. But most people don't notice the land in the background, or the fact that it was not taken in the winter. Not to mention that according to the government of Nunavut (northern territory in Canada), there are more polar bears now than ever before. Most people in Nunavut are Inuit; they trek across the land hunting and researching. I am more inclined to believe them than to believe some socialist fear-mongering egghead in some office in the city telling me they are endangered.
Carbon credits, carbon footprints, global warming organizations...they are all after money. That's what is all comes down to. Once global warming is not profitable for them anymore, they will find something else to try and scare us with.
| Fariza wrote: | Global warming is an extremely hot topic these days but why? no ones doing anythign about it, i mean i live in Hong Kong and im 15 yrs old the temperature here has rised alot this year, it has been warm throughout the year.
Ice caps will melt, and sooner or later before you know it the world will be flooded..
Lets do somethinga bout it? im 15 and i recycle i care about the environment and i want you all to do too it takes what? 20 minutes of your day to just contribute a lil recycling
Lets save this world and make it better for the yet to come generations.
Thank You |
i would say yes to that question we have posed in the title of the topic. but i dont know that you can see it already, sorry - but the data is on much larger scale...
my 2 bits on global warming....
*ahem* I'm not really sure what to believe, but as far as we know, all the calanders could be borked and it could actually be june or something lol.. but according to my science teacher , something thats just as bad as cars; cows, he gave us a story about how some vet. was testing a cow for something or other and that methane gas was trapped in a cows stomach so he stuck a tube down and put his thumb over the end, then he apparently took a lighter or a match and took his thumb off the tube, and it blew the cow and him up.. but he said that methane is destroying the ozone layer just as bad as cars.
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I don't think global warming will lead to worlds end.I am thinking in terms of cycle,like more pollution will lead to more dust particles.These particles when enter in to the environment will absorb heat,preventing earth from heating.So considering these i think there will be again ice age few years later.
| Cddhesh wrote: | | I don't think global warming will lead to worlds end.I am thinking in terms of cycle,like more pollution will lead to more dust particles.These particles when enter in to the environment will absorb heat,preventing earth from heating.So considering these i think there will be again ice age few years later. |
I think that is the basic cause of global dimming, which I have read is keeping temps down, particles of pollution (that we could see and taste) offset the warming from Co2 emissions (which we cant) our own "dust" we throw up there is slowing down the global warming be it manmade or not, quite ironic if true, maybe pollution (some kind of friendly particle) could be released as a cure for pollution
yes,the temperature is higher and higher year after year.i live in beijing ,the green Olympic is not just a slogan.we should protect our entironment from now on.
| standready wrote: |
Yes, they will. Let me ask you this, "Does water expand or contract when frozen? So Ice would do what when heated?". Have fun, make some ice cubes. |
Um, wow. Just wow.
| Quote: | | So Ice would do what when heated? |
Gee, that's a tough one... I'll say it will: Melt?
Do I get a cookie?
Do a simple experiment. Get a glass, fill it with ice. Now fill it with water. The same glass, WITH the ice still in the glass. Fill it all the way so the water level is at the rim of the glass. It's ok if the ice sticks up above the water level. Now dry the outside of the glass, including the bottom and put the glass on the counter, on a piece of paper. After the ice melts, did the water over-flow the glass?
No. It didn't.
Why? Because ice has more air in it than water. Yes, water contracts when cold, but when it freezes, it takes up more space than when it's melted.
They should teach you that when you get to 3rd grade science, but I wanted to give you a heads up...
| Quote: | | yes,the temperature is higher and higher year after year.i live in beijing ,the green Olympic is not just a slogan.we should protect our entironment from now on. |
I remember it being hotter than this nearly 3 decades ago. Regularly hotter.
As for the "green olympics", that's funny. China green? China is increasing it's pollution faster than any other country on the planet!
By the way, why does China feel bringing a Bible to the Olympics will "cause violence"? They banned it specifically, but not the Kuran. Wonder why that is?
(Still LOLing at "green olympics" )
| rvec wrote: | CO2 doesn't harm the ozon, it is like an extra layer. There are gasses that harm the ozon but CO2 is not one of them.
| Quote: | | im 15 and i recycle i care about the environment Very Happy and i want you all to do too Very Happy it takes what? 20 minutes of your day to just contribute a lil recycling Very Happy |
And doeing something that really makes a difference costs millions and nobody wants to pay that.
There is no way we will reduce CO2 gas as much as needed. So we just have to hope nature will restore everything. |
CO2, like you said, creates another barrier in the atmosphere. That's not a good thing; that new layer acts somewhat as a glass panel...light and heat get in, but they have extremely difficult times getting out. It's like a car on a hot day; the sunlight gets in and heats the inside of the car and the heat can't get out of the car easily. When that massive amount of heat is trapped inside the atmosphere, it warms the globe and melts the ice caps. The more the ice caps melt, the less light reflects away from the earth, so the earth gradually warms and warms. 70% of the sunlight entering the atmosphere is reflected back by the north pole. If it melts, the reflection of light (and releasing of heat from the atmosphere) decreases drastically causing the poles to continue melting. Not only does the heat not get reflected out, but all the liquid water being released by the melting messes up just about every ocean current we know of, which in turn completely messes up every weather pattern we know. The atmosphere works to maintain a certain level of CO2 obviously, but the levels we're releasing are causing an extreme overburden of the cycle.
We won't even get into the melting of the permafrost and the amazing increases of acid rain over the past few years...
| [FuN]goku wrote: | my 2 bits on global warming....
*ahem* I'm not really sure what to believe, but as far as we know, all the calanders could be borked and it could actually be june or something lol.. but according to my science teacher , something thats just as bad as cars; cows, he gave us a story about how some vet. was testing a cow for something or other and that methane gas was trapped in a cows stomach so he stuck a tube down and put his thumb over the end, then he apparently took a lighter or a match and took his thumb off the tube, and it blew the cow and him up.. but he said that methane is destroying the ozone layer just as bad as cars. |
It's actually quite true (well I don't know about the guy getting blown up  ). Factory farming has been as detrimental to our environment/atmosphere as anything else.
I think that there are two sides (probaly more) of the global warming,
The first:
People who believe that the global warming is caused by CO2, example: a car "makes" CO2, the Ozon layer is now bigger in size, so it will keep the sun beams on the earth
The second (little bit weard )
People who believe that the sun is the cause that there is global warming, saw on the news that there is a prof in England that makes his weather news based on the sun activitie. (Little bit weard that he can say how the weather is gona be on earh by looking to sun )
So what do you guys think about that second side??
(srry for bad english )
From all accounts aren't we still thawing from the last "ice age".
For Pete's sake it was only 15,000 years ago.
First known civilizations only began about 10,000 years ago.
Draw up a time scale with the age of the earth as a base for the model and see what a tiny miniscule snapshot 10,000 years are.
Take a football field 100 yards as the age of Earth. Now place three human hairs side by side (.012).
Yep that was the last ice age. The first two hairs equate to man and civilization.
Kind of puts it in perspective doesn't it?.
On a more convoluted note...
The UN released a document that claims
| Quote: | | poor and the elderly will suffer most from climate change; that hunger and disease will be more common; that droughts, floods and heat waves will afflict the world's poorest regions; and that more animal and plant species will vanish. |
If I'm not mistaken, that's been the case from the dawn of civilization. I mean, I hate to burst their bubble, but poor people have always suffered more from heat, cold, hunger, disease, etc.
And just in case you missed it in high school, 99% of all species that ever roamed the Earth are extinct. Species die off all the time and are replaced by another, or several others. It's called evolution. Sure, some species have been hunted to extinction by man, but many many other's have been hunted to extinction by other species.
If we can save some species by altering our lifestyle a little, I'm ok with that. But I'm NOT ok with things like cutting off a third of California's water for the sake of a nasty tasting fish that nobody's ever heard about. I'm NOT ok with destroying the current economy over lies just so a few special interest groups can get rich off carbon offset credits.
It's been over a decade since Al Gore claimed
| Quote: | | For those who argue that global warming is already changing the world’s climate, this year’s El Nino weather front is more than enough evidence Poor and elderly to be hardest hit. As usual. Man made global warming is. |
In walks South America with the longest, coldest winter in almost a century. In walks South Carolina with freeze warnings. In walks Mars, Jupiter and other planets with more pronounced global warming than Earth is experiencing. In walk thousands of scientists denouncing Al Gore and man made global warming, and indeed, questioning if a few degrees of warmer temps would actually be good for life.
Global temperatures have been as much as 15 degrees F warmer in prehistoric times. Guess what, life flourished everywhere. We have a fraction of the diversity today as we did then. This is known from fossils and pollen records gathered from core samples.
Glaciers are melting from the Arctic and mountains. Why are they melting in places where the temperatures are never above freezing? Is it really "melting"? Ever heard of sublimation? It's not from heat.
So global warming has been happening for 10, 20 years or so? Has any ocean actually risen? Wasn't that suppose to happen? It hasn't changed at all on my coast. Believe me, we would hear it everyday if it was occurring.
Ask questions, be intelligent.
Listening to Al Gore on the Environment is like saying Granny Clampett is a real doctor. He is a joke to people who don't have a political agenda.
| Mr_CEO wrote: | | Quote: | I think that global warming is a problem. Definitely. It might not seriously affect me in my lifetime, it might not even seriously affect my children in their lifetimes. But it's definitely going to start screwing things up eventually. And as of right now, the Earth is the only planet we have to live on, and we're probably still years from lightspeed travel. That does not seem to spell too well for us should global warming cause temperatures to rise above tolerable levels, or permanently wreak weather systems so that food is hard to grow, etc.
Also, when I went to China this summer, there was 100 degree weather for at least twenty days in a row. It used to be that temperatures at 97 or so degrees meant a day off for everyone because it was too hot for work. Now no one blinks at this 100 degree weather. So I think that global warming definitely exists. |
Such a load of BS! Global warming is nothing more than a political stunt being used to promote globalization. The UN wants to rule the world by the year 2015. And the only way they can do that is to have a One-World Government. By telling the world, we have to work together to solve a common problem, the UN can govern a proposed solution. Fact is, Global warming definitely dose NOT exists. However, I believe their efforts to fool most of the world will succeed because the Bible says so.
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Gotta love people like this. YEAH IT'S A WONDERFUL POLITICAL SCHEME...and the hundreds to thousands of scientists/geologists/etc. that are sitting here staring the information in the face are getting what out of it? Nothing. Don't spread pure bullshit when there's libraries full of information to disprove your silly theory. Whether it's man made or natural, it's happening regardless if you wish to recognize it or not (and by not recognizing it, you place yourself in a very small minority among intelligent individuals).
| liljp617 wrote: | | Whether it's man made or natural, it's happening regardless if you wish to recognize it or not (and by not recognizing it, you place yourself in a very small minority among intelligent individuals). |
Reading and comprehension are key...
| Quote: | | Global temperatures have been as much as 15 degrees F warmer in prehistoric times. Guess what, life flourished everywhere. We have a fraction of the diversity today as we did then. This is known from fossils and pollen records gathered from core samples. |
| Billy Hill wrote: | | Listening to Al Gore on the Environment is like saying Granny Clampett is a real doctor. He is a joke to people who don't have a political agenda. |
You've obviously not made us of granny's cough medicine....
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The whole Global Warming argument, much thanks to Al, is lacking credibility. Every hundred years or so a volcano blows co2 in the air. Me also need to remember that the cos humans put in the air was there to begin with and much of our co2 is discharged farming, which put co2 back into the ground.
Bottom line, the goal of Global Warming advocates is to convert to superior energy sources. I can't argue with this. If you want to argue that elective abortions are bad for the environment, dandy, if it stops people from killing babies it stops people from killing babies.
What humanity need to do is STOP BURNING ALL OUR DAMN OIL. It has far better uses. Trying to convince everyone we're ending the world isn't very productive though. Some farmer in China running the filthiest diesel Jerry-rigged piece-of-crap to pull water onto his field to feed his family won't give a civic-cat's ass if the exhaust is going to add to the smog that blocks out the sun in Beijing.
What will stop him is diesel costing five or ten time what it does not - like it will everyone else. I don't care if you stop buying your SUVs because you think we're going to hell in a hand-basket, because if funds terrorism, because your church calls it a sin, or because you can't stand spending $120 to fill it up once a week, as long os you stop buying the damn things.
Here's my energy bill. $0.08815 per KWH. Total for Sep $43.46. Gas: $0.975586 per CCF total $13.67. Not too bad.
In the winter this gets much worse, approaching $200. But still, not to bad. Not bad enough anyway for my neighbors to keep their damn doors and windows closed. (can anyone explain that to me? Why would you keep window open year-round and leave a door open when it's 15 deg F?)
When this gets more expensive, I hope, my neighbors will start keeping the house closed up and will start looking for other solutions. My city is doing an experiment to see if our area is suitable for wind turbines. If it is, we're going to put some up to feed our energy grid.
Regardless of human cause, the planet IS on a warming trend. The icecaps ARE melting and arid regions may become more arid. we'll have to adjust. The key to this adjustment is cheep energy. Cheep energy can power a desalinization plant or moisture condenser to farm an arid region.
Poor people will suffer, but as Billy has pointed out, they always have. The industrialized nations exploit them and poison their homes. Similarly, our current generation is poisoning the future generations. A solution to this again is better energy.
Bottom line, the world is getting warmer and we need better energy.
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