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tefa_taftaf2010
hi all i'm so sorry i only know english and i want to ask about the meaning of this word




http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11111gq3.jpg


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its the same word on a t-shirt and we all want to know the meaning of it in English

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if the pictures doesn't appear tell me to reupload them again

thanks
{name here}
In the back, I see the word "Army", so I took a wild guess and looked up the characters for the People's Liberation Army, the army of the People's Republic of China.

This is it.
中国人民解放军

This is the shirt's characters which I based on the above characters.
中 国 民 放

They contain these same characters. As a result, I believe that this T-Shirt is a shirt is some sort of acronymn for the People's Liberation Army, or written in a different dialect of Chinese than Standard Mandarin.

Google Translate says this phrase means: Take China and China. I'm assuming that this would mean support for the invasion of Taiwan. Babelfish translated it as Center the National puts, which is cryptic, probably meaning something like Put in the Nation's Center, probably refferring to the person being in the army, and it being an important position. I wouldn't really trust Babelfish's translation of this phrase, however.
Aiz
{name here} wrote:
In the back, I see the word "Army", so I took a wild guess and looked up the characters for the People's Liberation Army, the army of the People's Republic of China.

This is it.
中国人民解放军

This is the shirt's characters which I based on the above characters.
中 国 民 放

They contain these same characters. As a result, I believe that this T-Shirt is a shirt is some sort of acronymn for the People's Liberation Army, or written in a different dialect of Chinese than Standard Mandarin.

Google Translate says this phrase means: Take China and China. I'm assuming that this would mean support for the invasion of Taiwan. Babelfish translated it as Center the National puts, which is cryptic, probably meaning something like Put in the Nation's Center, probably refferring to the person being in the army, and it being an important position. I wouldn't really trust Babelfish's translation of this phrase, however.


First of all, it is: 中國長城; which simply means the Great Wall of China. >.> Written in in Traditional Chinese.

Second, the "compound" you made of random characters had no meaning, not to mention they are not the same characters at all. And, what do written Chinese words have to do with Mandarin? Written is written, spoken is spoken. Take Canto and Mandarin for example, both share almost exactly the same written.

The only "acronym for 中国人民解放军 that you mentioned would be 解放军, which is pretty much saying "Liberation Army," instead of saying "Chinese People's Liberation Army."

How, I am quite insulted by your "interpretation" by saying something like "invasion of Taiwan." It is not only politically incorrect, it is even insulting to suggest that is what China wants to do, especially to a mainland Chinese person, which I am.

I would like to suggest not taking the liberty to explain something that you have no understanding of, since not only would it give people the wrong idea, it can also insult people who it concerns.
tefa_taftaf2010
i want to thank Aiz & name here to their replys

i'm so happy to know the meaning of this word

and hope to you all a nice time and succes in your life

thanks again Wink Wink Wink
{name here}
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How, I am quite insulted by your "interpretation" by saying something like "invasion of Taiwan." It is not only politically incorrect, it is even insulting to suggest that is what China wants to do, especially to a mainland Chinese person, which I am.

The PRC doesn't respect the RoC. It's no secret, and if it weren't for the fact that a large war would erupt if the RoC was invaded due to it's US protection as per Containment Policy and Domino Theory, I wouldn't be surprised if they would. At this point China has the U.S. wrapped around its finger, and the US troops are focused on the Mid-East. Whatever small coalition exists to protect Taiwan wouldn't matter. I believe that the flawed interperetation would have been a valid guess, although I do not think that the people are like the government on this issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China#1949.E2.80.93present
Wikipedia wrote:
The PRC refuses to have diplomatic relations with any nation that recognizes the ROC, and requires all nations that it has diplomatic relations with to make a statement recognizing its claims to Taiwan.

Though as a citizen of the Peoples' Republic of China, you would not be able to view this link if I understand correctly, nor would you hear of anything but "happy thoughts" about the government.

http://digg.com/world_news/Chinese_Government_All_News_must_be_Good_News_and_No_other_News

At the same time I am a bit biased as an American, though I try to think detached from America and its government.
Aiz
{name here} wrote:

The PRC doesn't respect the RoC. It's no secret, and if it weren't for the fact that a large war would erupt if the RoC was invaded due to it's US protection as per Containment Policy and Domino Theory, I wouldn't be surprised if they would. At this point China has the U.S. wrapped around its finger, and the US troops are focused on the Mid-East. Whatever small coalition exists to protect Taiwan wouldn't matter. I believe that the flawed interperetation would have been a valid guess, although I do not think that the people are like the government on this issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China#1949.E2.80.93present
Wikipedia wrote:
The PRC refuses to have diplomatic relations with any nation that recognizes the ROC, and requires all nations that it has diplomatic relations with to make a statement recognizing its claims to Taiwan.

Though as a citizen of the Peoples' Republic of China, you would not be able to view this link if I understand correctly, nor would you hear of anything but "happy thoughts" about the government.

http://digg.com/world_news/Chinese_Government_All_News_must_be_Good_News_and_No_other_News

At the same time I am a bit biased as an American, though I try to think detached from America and its government.


I do not feel like getting involved in a political debate. I simply said "politically incorrect," that was it. Whatever I meant by that has no baring on the fact that you made completely wrong interpretations that would cause anyone who believed it to get wrong impressions.

I don't see why you have to drag up all those just to avoid admitting you made the mistake of taking the liberty of explaining something you had no idea of, by which I simply meant the words on the shirt. I would really like to know how you can sound so righteous after you've made a mistake by taking something you didn't know into your own hands.

It is common sense, especially in cases where sensitive issues are involved, to make sure things are the way you think before speaking up. And it is because of such actions that people have the wrong ideas about things. "Oh look, Chinese people make T-Shirts that support invasion of Taiwan~."

Let me make one thing clear. I am Chinese, Chinese-American. I was brought up here in American, educated here. Don't make it sound like I said what I said because I was an ignorant Chinese citizen who should know better because she can't see anything that says otherwise. I only refuse to take the media's words for everything, which are basically words of someone I do not know. I especially would not quote Wikipedia as a primary source of information, where anyone can edit anything (Refuse relations with countries that recognize Taiwan? Wth, then according to that, China might as well move to it's own planet.). If everything told through media, especially the internet, were right, then people would be eating babies for dessert and wearing those green outfits in China.

I would only believe things said by someone with first person account of such event. And if someone where part of the Chinese government's decision making sector and told me "China is going to do what what and what," then that's fine by me. If the words are only going to be "I read from somewhere that it is said China is gonna what and what," then, forgive me for doubting. If having political friction between countries meant a war is what happens next. Then at least half a dozen of counties must be invading the US right about now.

Anyhow, it was not my intention to get into a political argument. This is not the politics forum, it's the language's forum, and I pointed out a language related mistake that insulted a group that I am somewhat related to. That was that.
{name here}
I am used to debating politics for some reason as I post frequently in a politics-related forum.

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I don't see why you have to drag up all those just to avoid admitting you made the mistake of taking the liberty of explaining something you had no idea of, by which I simply meant the words on the shirt. I would really like to know how you can sound so righteous after you've made a mistake by taking something you didn't know into your own hands.

It's a shot in the dark based on the English that was in the background, some symbols that looked very similar.

My forte is not the Altaic subfamily, it's the Indo-European. I do know just a general background into the preferences of Altaic, but I did not know how similar the characters could look until now. I guess this is just like getting my eyes used to a new Gothic font - characters always looks slightly different and then you get screwed up and can't judge them right.

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It is common sense, especially in cases where sensitive issues are involved, to make sure things are the way you think before speaking up. And it is because of such actions that people have the wrong ideas about things. "Oh look, Chinese people make T-Shirts that support invasion of Taiwan~."

I also said that I approximated the characters and used an online translator. This here is enough of a clue that I could be very wrong - things that are translated with an online translator may or may not make sense. You have to be very literal with them, and the problem is the use of metaphors.

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Let me make one thing clear. I am Chinese, Chinese-American. I was brought up here in American, educated here. Don't make it sound like I said what I said because I was an ignorant Chinese citizen who should know better because she can't see anything that says otherwise.

All you clued me in on is the Chinese part. I did not know about the American part at all. For this I apologise, as I was sadly mistaken that you were posting this under the great firewall of china.


You may ignore the part below the line, or persuit it in PMs. I don't want to go too offtopic.
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I only refuse to take the media's words for everything, which are basically words of someone I do not know.

You always take the words of someone you don't know - Textbooks, Newscasters, Books, Teachers, Forum Posts, those in a religious careers such as Priests, et cetera. You are always relying on another person to transmit infromation. It's whether you can consider the source reliable about a certain issue. For example, Fox News would not be a vent for the media I trust.

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I especially would not quote Wikipedia as a primary source of information, where anyone can edit anything

I can write a book right here and right now that conspirises Abe Lincoln was shot by Robert E. Lee in a rubber mask given to him by aliens while John Wilkes Booth was conveniently visiting the town that particular day. Because it is in a book does it mean it's any more true if I and a few nuts believe it is? Conspiracies could be true, or they could be utter rubbish as I see them. Every other media source can be like this too.

In additiion there seems to be an issue in that Wikipedia refused to censor themselves so they just blocked it from China. There must be something on there that must be true if they are really willing to censor it just like any other kind of media. Example: Tianamen Square Massacre. Google on google.cn and google.com, once in Chinese, once in English, or even both times in Chinese, but once on each different Google.

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He who controls the past controls the future. He who is in present controls the past. - George Orwell


The thing about Wikipedia is that if the statement seems fishy, you can always put in a {{citation-needed}} template and a cite template at the top of the article. In addition, Wikipedia only accepts sources shown reliable about information, but there's weasels that slip by that rule at times. Another guy can waltz in and try and find a reliable source for you if you are too lazy.

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Refuse relations with countries that recognize Taiwan? Wth, then according to that, China might as well move to it's own planet

It might be a bit more complex that you think. Ever heard of the One-China Policy? Several countries, even Taiwan, accept it. They say there is one China, but it's up to different interperetations. Look at a google search for this:
http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=One-China+Policy&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
* Uzbekistan
* US (not suprisingly since China has the country wrapped around its finger)
* Zambia
* Netherlands
* DPRK (well, I didn't see this one, but it should be a given considering China is its lifeline and its tendancies)
Just to name a few. Heck, any country that has cheap goods imported to it will be forced to believe that, and even the RoC recognizes this.

http://www.onechinapolicy.com/ <- Possible more information about which countries respect it

How about the Anti-Secession Law? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4104909.stm
Possible motive for invasion in the future? Maybe. Or maybe it's just to repress the Taiwanese so they don't try and declare themselves independant.

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If everything told through media, especially the internet, were right, then people would be eating babies for dessert and wearing those green outfits in China.

I do not trust blogs, forum posts, Fox News, the Daily Mail, and small media located in the Internet on China...or anything for that matter considering that they have no real obligations, nor triggers pulled at their heads from the other News organizations. If I could describe China in a nutshell, it'd be a country which has a medium sized chain on its people (not long like a Capitalist Democracy, but not short like an oppressive Stalinist regime), filled with human and animal rights violations (the alleged killing of prisoners, even minor offenders to donate organs to westerners who are willing to pay a price, and the live skinning of animals (There's a grand video I can show you on that)) and numerous issues which are not currently addressed (like the contaminated food and human use products, either for their own people or exported), population, and global issues.

China is part of a grand system - Smart business owners who know how to exploit a hybrid Socio-Capitalist state, and dumb customers just accross the pond willing to waste their money and contribute to unfair waging. This is not unique to China, as it can also be seen in the coffee industry in Africa.

Zhongshan suits (if this is what you mean by those green suits, although I thought that they were gray) is more of a DPRK thing in the current era (I do not know if under Mao Zhongshan suits were forced). I do not know where baby eating has come from but it doesn't seem to be allegation I have heard of China. It could be either a fundie or Japanese allegation (DPRK hate by proxy as China pumps resources into it. Could have started off as a bad insult on Futuba chan and spun out of control there.).

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I would only believe things said by someone with first person account of such event. And if someone where part of the Chinese government's decision making sector and told me "China is going to do what what and what," then that's fine by me. If the words are only going to be "I read from somewhere that it is said China is gonna what and what," then, forgive me for doubting. If having political friction between countries meant a war is what happens next. Then at least half a dozen of counties must be invading the US right about now.

I'm not quoting any source when I say that the PRC is going to invade the RoC. I'm just saying the time is ripe if they'd ever want to do it and dismantle the seemingly Israeli-style government based on the current situation - nobody would defend it or be able to defend it and it'd end up like Tibet.
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