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I don't get it.
If when you die you are reincarnated, everything that made you, you is gone. You genetic personality traits and memory's are what make your personality, if you where reincarnated, those genetic personality traits and memory's are gone thus you are gone. Only some unknown intangible part of your body is survives but you are gone. And what of this soul. In the time between your death and reincarnation dose it remember your life or all the lives it lived? If it remembered all the lives that it lived than that soul is not you, its just some creature and your life is like some mmrpg.
So how is reincarnation any different the ceasing to exist? Sure this peace of you remains but its not you.
If you 'die' n have the chance of getting a new body - would you choose the same or go for a new one? The most will take a new body I recon.
That 'mmrpg' is a very good observation!
The memory is the key to the experience - if you remember it all then life wouldn't be life!
Aftermath of a 'death' may be an intresting 'time' - well let say you remember all previous lifes - then compare if the last was better than the rest will be an intresting thing. And I guess if we remember all then we also can reach all memories... OOPS.... Ohh Noo , who is who out there?????
But the problem remains, You are dead, what makes you, you is gone. Sure your soul survives but if you donate your organs, you kidneys, hart, liver and longs survive but none of those are you.
So its really no different from just ceasing to exist upon death.
Reincarnation has nothing to do with your DNA structure or anything biological. It's purely spirital, at least all the theories of that I know are. But your soul, in most cases, is considered to be your essence, which I believe would include your personality. I've seen some shows on the Discovery Channel when they've done documentaries about a little boy who remembered a different mother and father, and being shot. He also had a birth mark exactally where these parents' other son was shot. Not to mention that the little boy had memories of this past life. I think it somewhat depends on the situation or the person. Do I believe in reincarnation? I'm not saying yay or nay to it, it's an open subject for me. At first I would be skeptical of it (for obvious reasons), and would probably have to be given enough proof for myself...
There's also another theory that's similar to reincarnation that basically says everything goes in a cycle. For example: A man dies, and his body is buried. His body decomposes and fertilizes the soil, and the nutrients from the soil is sucked into a flower. A pregnant horse comes by and eats the flower, giving nutrients to the unborn colt. So you could say that when the colt is born, that the man is partically reincarnated within the colt.
It's a pretty interesting theory.
I for one cant remember exactly what happened to me last week , nevermind in another lifetime, in fact I cant remember exactly what happened to me yesterday.......... OMG doe's this mean I am not me ???????? , seriously what makes forgotton childhood or any other memorys any different to past life memorys ? (if of course they existed) , can you personally recall every experience that has made you You ,can you recall every nuance of life that has shaped your character ,if not then by your standards are you you ?
@laurenrox.......What comes out of a horses bum 
And if perchance, I should pass by and see this on the ground,
I’ll stop awhile and ponder at this object that I’ve found.
I’ll think about Reincarnation and life and death and such,
And come away concludin’, why, you ain’t changed all that much
exert form a poem by Wallace McRae
you two don't understand what I'm saying. What makes you "you"? Your personality. If you transplanted your brain into a robot, you would still be you, if you made an exact clone of your self there would be two of you (of course the two of you would diverge from there and become different people) but in reincarnation the things that makes you "you" is gone. You are made up of your genetic personality traits and your experiences. If you wiped your memory and changed your genetic personality traits, you would no longer be "you", you would be some one else. Essentially you would be dead, nonexistent. Thats what happens in reincarnation.
So how is it any different than just ceasing to exist when you die? "You" are still dead, all that makes you "you" is gone.
And thats why I don;t get it. Whats the appeal for believing in it? Why do people choose to believe in it?
Now you are talking! I guess you needed to explain that to the readers. Well, I was on a talkshow hosted by a surgeon. He talked about what makes a person, and how it is stored in the mind. Also what happens to the personality in case on different deceases...
well, all can be right in my oppinoin!! OF course - take care of your brain/mind - It will be better for all parts, so say?
Perhaps there is a soul - so then it can't be the body! ...
If the body malfunctions - well perhaps a soul gets something of out of it for a while... Perhaps your sole want to live malfuntioning life the next time? Just for the experience??
And YOU don't understand what I'M saying. There was no need to be rude, first of all.
Second, some people believed that your soul encompasses your personality. It has nothing to do with anything biological. It's spirital. So, if your soul contains YOU and your personality, then there's nothing to change who you are.
I wasn't being rude.
That dose not work, We don't remember our past lives and personality is based on past experiences and genetic personality traits. In reincarnation you don't have access to those memory's (or to few of them) and with out access then they can not effect you. If you had access top all those memory's that would be different but you don't.
A good analogy would be a clone. If say someone was cloned in the science fiction was (the exact copy of a person) than that would be not be a different person but there would be two of the person that was cloned but if a person was cloned in the real way then its not the same person its two different people.
If you have access to what makes you "you" than you are not "you"
We have had tv shows where people under a consultants view do a session to remember past lives. And also was some celebs on the show testing it out. It took time before the persons started to remember but they all did have some memories.
Anyhow, whether you believe or not, the memories (often from other countries) was pinpoint accurate. Also was some lost historic goods found. Good tv anyhow , and I guess it was the best history lesson I ever attended!
BTW some had memories they had another gender in past lives.... 
| Quote: | | I wasn't being rude. |
I apologize, although it did seem that way.
| Quote: | That dose not work, We don't remember our past lives and personality is based on past experiences and genetic personality traits. In reincarnation you don't have access to those memory's (or to few of them) and with out access then they can not effect you. If you had access top all those memory's that would be different but you don't.
A good analogy would be a clone. If say someone was cloned in the science fiction was (the exact copy of a person) than that would be not be a different person but there would be two of the person that was cloned but if a person was cloned in the real way then its not the same person its two different people.
If you have access to what makes you "you" than you are not "you" |
You're saying that the science of it doesn't make sense, right? If I'm correct in my guess, then I will say this: Belief in reincarnation is not based on science and therefore, may not be able to be proved by it. However, there have been cases, such as the ones that Spinout has pointed out, of people remembering past lives and having them line up perfectly. I wouldn't say that this is concrete evidence of reincarnation, but I do think it's a start.
Those cases can be easily explained away by people knowing the information before hand (they read it somewhere and just didn't remember reading it) (lets not get into that in this thread) but thats way beyond the point, real or not, provable or not, all thats really beside the point.
The point is its really no different than dieing and ceasing to exist. I don't get it. Whats the appeal of believing it if its no different than just dieing? I can understand believing in an afterlife but believing in reincarnation I don't get.
Although reincarnation has no scientific base to it,
i find that the cycle linked to many natural cycles in mother nature.
Just like how water evaporates and comes down again in the form of rain,
photosynthesis, groundwater, and many other cycles that i can't think of right now.
| Quote: | | Those cases can be easily explained away by people knowing the information before hand (they read it somewhere and just didn't remember reading it) |
Actually, the particular case I was using as an example previously, the little boy wasn't but about five or six years old, and the parents who's son had been shot lived about 200 miles away. One lived in Texas, the other in Alabama. The boy was at such a young age, I doubt he read anything about a murder. And the only reason they found each other in the first place was through a mutual friend between the families.
| Quote: | | The point is its really no different than dieing and ceasing to exist. I don't get it. |
That's only the case if you're trying to explain it through science (or at least our current knowledge of science). This is what you're missing. It can be explained spiritually (as I pointed out that many believe that the soul can maintain your personality). And somewhere in the future, science may even be able to prove this (seeing as a soul would probably be some sore of energy). As for the memories, do you really remember every single event in your life? I VERY much doubt it. Nonetheless, every single event in your life has shaped your personality, even if you don't remember it.
| laurenrox wrote: | | Quote: | | The point is its really no different than dieing and ceasing to exist. I don't get it. |
That's only the case if you're trying to explain it through science (or at least our current knowledge of science). This is what you're missing. It can be explained spiritually (as I pointed out that many believe that the soul can maintain your personality). And somewhere in the future, science may even be able to prove this (seeing as a soul would probably be some sore of energy). As for the memories, do you really remember every single event in your life? I VERY much doubt it. Nonetheless, every single event in your life has shaped your personality, even if you don't remember it. |
The problem is we have shown through identical twins that have been raised sparely have personality that are similar in one way and different in another (nature and nurture). Of course reincarnation could still have an effect but (though some memory's can be remembers) the vast majority are locked away (as evidence by the fact that we have to learn how to walk, talk and so on).
It was mint to be philosophical but I think scientifically to I'll probably never get it.
| The Conspirator wrote: | | laurenrox wrote: | | Quote: | | The point is its really no different than dieing and ceasing to exist. I don't get it. |
That's only the case if you're trying to explain it through science (or at least our current knowledge of science). This is what you're missing. It can be explained spiritually (as I pointed out that many believe that the soul can maintain your personality). And somewhere in the future, science may even be able to prove this (seeing as a soul would probably be some sore of energy). As for the memories, do you really remember every single event in your life? I VERY much doubt it. Nonetheless, every single event in your life has shaped your personality, even if you don't remember it. |
The problem is we have shown through identical twins that have been raised sparely have personality that are similar in one way and different in another (nature and nurture). Of course reincarnation could still have an effect but (though some memory's can be remembers) the vast majority are locked away (as evidence by the fact that we have to learn how to walk, talk and so on).
It was mint to be philosophical but I think scientifically to I'll probably never get it. |
Sorry, but I don't know any other way to put it.  ...
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