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slasonic
Internet: the 'un'-civilization.

Let me say, I would like there to be 1 ip address assigned to each person on earth. I realize that there are many objections to be raised- hear me out, then object if you want to.

With the internet, we now have a virtual world. However, we need real law in this virtual world. Right now, I can say you are an inbred and like to kill children. In the normal world, this is slander. On the internet it's flaming or whatever. No retribution is available to the victim.

Another example: youtube. Every other comment is about how "if you read this something terrible will happen". This is just being a ****** nuisance.

If someone wants to post a comment like this all over youtube, I suggest a jury of peers and a trial. Sentence: 3 days, no internet access. You, or, more accurately, your ip address have been put on the blacklist. This is like being put in virtual solitary confinement. Email yourself, enjoy the world of localhost, maybe think about what a jerk you are acting like.

Those with an attitude of self/social responsibility would thrive on the web and make our virtual world a better virtual place.
woodenbrick
There are worse things than spam on youtube, what about people a competitor who goes around posting of the bad experience they had using your business and suddenly your sales/clients drop and you have no idea why. As far as I'm aware there are laws against slandering people on the internet, it's just going to take a while for the law to catch up with technology.

Looking at this page:
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
According to it the internet is used by only 17.2% of the world. I can imagine in the system you suggested, people from poorer countries selling their ips. And what about more than 1 person using a computer (internet cafes/familys etc.) Are we going to have to input some card into the computer to use the internet? Flaming etc. annoys me as much as the next person, It is incredible how rude some people will be just because of anonymity. However I don't think your system is workable, at least in the near future.
Aless
You know, it's really not all that bad...

I'd suggest to stop moaning, because there's far worse things in the world to worry about!
slasonic
I appreciate your input. it isn't a very workable system, i agree.

I wanted to express that some laws need to be enacted.
Bondings
Slasonic, I know how annoying this can be. I frequently visit YouTube and similar websites myself and am embarrassed by the comments. It's really the worst of the worst.

However, it is able to be handled/avoided by the website in question. Take a look at Frihost and compare it to YouTube comments. Although we aren't perfect, there is a big difference.

The 1 ip address per person idea has some advantages, but the biggest effect would be the loss of anonymity. A database could/would be constructed of all ip addresses and their respective owner/name/job/age. This simply would be unacceptable.
Vrythramax
Also unfortunatly ARIN is complaining of running out of available numbers. Short of adding a 4th or 5th class block (which would certainly mess with most script that require a 4 octet group of number for adressing), I think they would actually make it harder for some companies to gain control of certain IP ranges in the newly established class blocks.

Lord only know how it would effect the http protocal Sad
Srs2388
IP address bans wouldn't really help.. you can easily change an IP address... even if so.. people are more than likely using a proxy, they would just ban the proxy.. they could continue spamming.
They could only use one of those codes that you type in to confirm that you are human and not robot.
frozenhead
I would say that our current hardware technologies might not support such implementation. A ratio of 1:1 (IP to a single person) is not feasible for now but i think is possible to achieve for the next few decades to come. Though is a good idea tracking down someone on the internet but hey, pros and cons pops in here again but then again anonymity defeats in purpose (a right to privacy) when it will be implement I guess, just an opinion. Very Happy
Bondings
Vrythramax wrote:
Also unfortunatly ARIN is complaining of running out of available numbers. Short of adding a 4th or 5th class block (which would certainly mess with most script that require a 4 octet group of number for adressing), I think they would actually make it harder for some companies to gain control of certain IP ranges in the newly established class blocks.

Lord only know how it would effect the http protocal Sad

This will be solved by IPv6, which provides 2^128 ip addresses. It's already implemented in most software. Sure there will be a lot of problems and bugs. However, it will be there/live in a few years as there simply is no other choice. There will probably be no IPv4 ips left by 2010-2012 or even sooner.
CMA
Indeed, having a fixed IP would completely kill the internet's "anonymous". It'd be easy for anyone to trace you by your IP and steal your personal information, passwords, etc.. Which is exactly why I agree with dynamic IPs. Sure, so if you're hosting a server you'll want a way to bypass this and get a fixed "address", or if you host online gaming sessions regularly you'd have to double-check your current IP everytime you reboot... but overall, it's worth losing that extra minute that exposing yourself to the whole world, me thinks...
ashish2005
It's really hard to control the internet and giving one person one ip each would be a really hard thing to do. And there are also new people getting introduced to the internet every minute now and so it will be very difficult to give them individual ip addresses. Lots and lots of ip addresses will be required.
scotty
I like your thinking. However, I think half the reason why the internet is so successful and so appealing is the anonymity of it. People don't want other people to know who they are, a screen name is all that identifies a person and these people can then go and be a completely different person to what they are in real life. They can enjoy themselves, make strong opinions or enter debates from a perspective other than their own or one which they could never take in real life and still pull it off. They can then turn around and go back to normal life. People like that. I like being able to argue different views.

Then on the other hand spammers like this anonymity as well and I hate SPAM as much as the next guy. So to be able to successfully implement a system whereby spammers could be punished I feel that it could not be knowingly attached to an individual. By that I mean it is their IP but nobody knows who or where they live.
vinx_18
slasonic wrote:
Internet: the 'un'-civilization.

Let me say, I would like there to be 1 ip address assigned to each person on earth. I realize that there are many objections to be raised- hear me out, then object if you want to.

With the internet, we now have a virtual world. However, we need real law in this virtual world. Right now, I can say you are an inbred and like to kill children. In the normal world, this is slander. On the internet it's flaming or whatever. No retribution is available to the victim.

Another example: youtube. Every other comment is about how "if you read this something terrible will happen". This is just being a ****** nuisance.

If someone wants to post a comment like this all over youtube, I suggest a jury of peers and a trial. Sentence: 3 days, no internet access. You, or, more accurately, your ip address have been put on the blacklist. This is like being put in virtual solitary confinement. Email yourself, enjoy the world of localhost, maybe think about what a jerk you are acting like.

Those with an attitude of self/social responsibility would thrive on the web and make our virtual world a better virtual place.


Your idea is great and terrific but there are some things that we need to consider when implementing this. There are also problem that may arise especially when it comes to privacy. Hackers and unscrupulous persons will be much happy about this since new users or noob to internet will easily be attacked. Also, ip addresses of a known businessmen, politicians and other famous entities, hackers would try to get in and get some informations since they already know the ip address of the person they want to victimized.

Maybe a strong and secure system for this should be implemented since this idea will also have a great advantage when it comes to blocking of great bad hackers and others.

Smile
Mannix
If you want an organized, ruled internet, then create one. Wink ...If you want one that was basically put together ad-hoc, with significant freedom for all, then welcome home.
Seiorai
Oh the idea of a "real" internet...*starts laughing*
I mean...how more real can it get if we'd implement laws and tribunals in it?

Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love to stop seeing all the nuisance posts, like the type of the one you mentioned. It would actually improve general perception of the net I think...

However, as Bondings said, generally it's up to the individual sites to rule their own domain. And considering that they generally fail big time, I don't want to imaging how large that tribunal would have to be to handle all the inadequate posts made in only 1 day >.<

Though personally I wouldn't mind very much being in a database, as it would not be very different from a bank, or place of work's database, there are still many madmen out there which could take advantage of it. Partially, this anonymity we currently have is one of the internet's strong points.

And all this considering just the moral/personal points, forgetting the huge technological work that should be done...
zichlone
I dont belive it would really be possible to block someone from the internet, in order for your system to work every country and isp in the world would have to agree with it, and we have a hard enough time getting along with each other let alone work on a globalized internet system
Donutey
Sort of a National ID card for the Internet, too easily used against individuals by the government, not to mention the complete lack of anonymity, think of the company you work for asking for your IP address just to make sure you don't ever buy a competitors product online or email someone over an unsecure connection about how you hate your boss.
raine dragon
I work on a site which is targeted with DOS attacks, posts of porn in our forums, and advertising bots strangling the life out of things.

If my biggest problem were chain letter spams like that on youtube, I would be a very happy woman XD

When someone really wants to do damage, and IP ban just slows them down, and ends up causing problems to someone else later on. I'm not against them; but I think that as things stand now they are a very.. ineffective way of dealing with things.

But, if they were permanent, then that would make things very insecure because you can now keep people out. What if I ran an illegal site? I'd just need a list of all the law enforcement and then I could mass IP ban then from my site. Now I'd be immune from the law.

Now, I don't run anything illegal, mind you, but I'm sure there is stuff out there, ne? why hand them a golden ticket? XD
qscomputing
Uhm, that would be total abuse of the IP address.

An IP is designed to locate a specific computer for routing purposes. If you wanted unique ID numbers for everyone on the Internet, then changing the concept of IP address wouldn't work because the IP address is an important part of the network infrastructure - it was designed to identify computers, not people.
johanfh
I'm thinking about it.
At first sight I didn't like the idea, because of the things Scotty mentioned: I like joining discussions without being known. On the other hand, I have a permanent internet connection, which I share with some friends, but wich is traceable back to me and my friends. So far for anonimity. (I know I can fake my IP, but why would I? Who wants to trace me anyway?)

And being a system admin for some years now, I saw the internet become more crowded every month. It's there now for the great public for only 10 years or so and it's already out of control! Out of control isn't a bad thing, but more and more I stumble upon placeholder-sites, fake sites, fake emailadresses, wrong information, etc. And because the 'bad guys' (spammers etc.) have the money and brake unwritten laws, where 'we' keep to netiquette, and have time, but not much money, I don't know if the internet will be usable in say 20 years. Some rules and laws, and a little organization with the power to maintain the rules wouldn't be that bad...

So, personal IP? Not my favourite. IP is for recognizing computers. Some laws and rules? Why worry?

JohanFH
justnewbie
Too late, since IPv6 has already been in effect, all animals on Earth could have their own IP address, if I've not mistaken, the available IP addresses in IPv6 are equal to the number of stars in the universe. And mind you, in this world there is something called a dynamic IP address. Meaning your Ip address would change each time you reconnect to the Internet.

And I'm not sure if you're aware of this, there were already law in effect for cybercrimes, though you may debate how effective it is. And about spamming, I've begun to accept the fact that there were really a lot of spammers in this world..try to disable your email's spam blocker.. I guess you will at least receive 8 spam mails each day.. and those popular chain mails.. well, people believe in myths like curse and stuff and they forward it again and again..so why don't you do a positive stuff rather than moaning over here? Like telling your friends that spam to stop spamming- or somewhat join anti-spamming groups..

While it is quite far from reality to have a spamless Internet..there's one good news.. people are already starting for a plan to redesign the Internet.. well, I'm not really into this stuff, but would be happy if someone's going to research about this-

slasonic wrote:
Internet: the 'un'-civilization.

Let me say, I would like there to be 1 ip address assigned to each person on earth. I realize that there are many objections to be raised- hear me out, then object if you want to.

With the internet, we now have a virtual world. However, we need real law in this virtual world. Right now, I can say you are an inbred and like to kill children. In the normal world, this is slander. On the internet it's flaming or whatever. No retribution is available to the victim.

Another example: youtube. Every other comment is about how "if you read this something terrible will happen". This is just being a ****** nuisance.

If someone wants to post a comment like this all over youtube, I suggest a jury of peers and a trial. Sentence: 3 days, no internet access. You, or, more accurately, your ip address have been put on the blacklist. This is like being put in virtual solitary confinement. Email yourself, enjoy the world of localhost, maybe think about what a jerk you are acting like.

Those with an attitude of self/social responsibility would thrive on the web and make our virtual world a better virtual place.
qscomputing
justnewbie wrote:
try to disable your email's spam blocker.. I guess you will at least receive 8 spam mails each day.

Think you missed (at least) a zero... Smile
bonestorm74
Yes in theory it's an interesting idea, but that's all it will ever be. I can't see this being implemented ever, and it won't solve the problems you touched on in any case.
JBotAlan
There are too many technical issues with your 1ip to 1 person idea--take for example Tor. http://tor.eff.org/

People would connect to other servers which would then connect to others which would connect to the requested page.

I also don't like the loss of anonymity. There's a big draw to the Internet for that shroud that separates your real life and your internet life. While more monitoring is desirable to "kick those spamming @#$%@#$%s off the web", I think the true solution is moderation by the masses--if 5 people say that this post is harmful, rip it down automatically.

As for DDoS attacks...let me think on that a little bit... Confused
Rico
slasonic wrote:
Internet: the 'un'-civilization.

Let me say, I would like there to be 1 ip address assigned to each person on earth. I realize that there are many objections to be raised- hear me out, then object if you want to.

With the internet, we now have a virtual world. However, we need real law in this virtual world. Right now, I can say you are an inbred and like to kill children. In the normal world, this is slander. On the internet it's flaming or whatever. No retribution is available to the victim.

Another example: youtube. Every other comment is about how "if you read this something terrible will happen". This is just being a ****** nuisance.

If someone wants to post a comment like this all over youtube, I suggest a jury of peers and a trial. Sentence: 3 days, no internet access. You, or, more accurately, your ip address have been put on the blacklist. This is like being put in virtual solitary confinement. Email yourself, enjoy the world of localhost, maybe think about what a jerk you are acting like.

Those with an attitude of self/social responsibility would thrive on the web and make our virtual world a better virtual place.


Have you ever heard of the National Socialist German Workers' Party? Very Happy
Agent ME
IP address per person - that isn't what the purpose of an IP address is.

An IP address is like a street address - it tells you exactly how to get the message to the person/computer.

Saying everyone has a unique IP would be like trying to give everyone a unique permanent street address. What happens when the person goes somewhere else? How does the sender use the address to find the person?
slasonic
I've had sometime to think about this. Technically, you are all right, as long as their are proxy servers, tor, etc...there will be anonymity.

Secondly, I've concluded that I'm pro-anonymity.

Here is how I feel about anonymity and the internet. If you look at the people who create the best content and websites on the web, who is it? It's people who are not afraid to put their name on it. From that perspective, I don't apologize for wanting to do away with anonymity.

On the other hand, I love the anonymity, too and it's freedom is INVALUABLE. It protects us from future employers, the government, etc. If you walk into a room and ask how many people have STDs, no one will raise their hand. Heck, I've joined forums regarding issues that I *should* - but am too embarrased to - ask my doctor.

Another example regarding future employers. Christian employers will often hire a person based on their religion. We all know people are more attached to their beliefs than anything else.

Basically, a non-anonymous internet would be more spam free, but also less interesting, and ultimately less informative.
ReubenWilliams
slasonic wrote:
Internet: the 'un'-civilization.

Let me say, I would like there to be 1 ip address assigned to each person on earth. I realize that there are many objections to be raised- hear me out, then object if you want to.

With the internet, we now have a virtual world. However, we need real law in this virtual world. Right now, I can say you are an inbred and like to kill children. In the normal world, this is slander. On the internet it's flaming or whatever. No retribution is available to the victim.

Another example: youtube. Every other comment is about how "if you read this something terrible will happen". This is just being a ****** nuisance.

If someone wants to post a comment like this all over youtube, I suggest a jury of peers and a trial. Sentence: 3 days, no internet access. You, or, more accurately, your ip address have been put on the blacklist. This is like being put in virtual solitary confinement. Email yourself, enjoy the world of localhost, maybe think about what a jerk you are acting like.

Those with an attitude of self/social responsibility would thrive on the web and make our virtual world a better virtual place.


one of the most amazing things about the internet has been its ability to allow people to distibute information anonymously, thus a postre in China wishes to speak out against the authoritarian reigime under which he lives, lo and behold he can log and & post anon. Equally trade unionists in Brazil whoose lives are at risk if they reveal their location can tell people whats going on. This element of the internet is the most dynamic and allows people utterly free communication, thus cutting out any moderating body which might seek to use the power of censorship for its own agenda. This is a very VERY valuable thing and although I share your frustration with idiots who abuse this power for cheap laughs I feel it is not worth stopping them to also stop the people who need to be anonymous.
slasonic
Here's a hypothetical. Say you have two virtual internets. One is anonymous, the other is not. Which one wins (has the most value)?

Probably the anonymous one.
Vrythramax
slasonic wrote:
Here's a hypothetical. Say you have two virtual internets. One is anonymous, the other is not. Which one wins (has the most value)?

Probably the anonymous one.


That would really be up to how you considered winning, and value(s) you are seeking. If it's a case of profitability the non-anonymous one would win hands down. If it's a case of personal security the the anonymous one would win.
divinitywolf
if people use the internet then yes i think they should have an i.p.
It would be a good way for there to be security but it would also cause problems.
A whole wave of hackers would be trying to undermine the system and it would cause a lot of extra work for the people who set it up so would it really be worth it?
SonLight
The real issues here are not about the use of ip addressed, but traceablility. If everyone were traceable, by anyone for any reason, then there would be no anonymity and no one would feel free to speak there mind on the internet. On the other hand, there could be some regulations to control defined bad behavior by using the information that's now available.

Suppose you allow a site to block "the person who was at ip x at time y". This could not be done with total precision, but your isp does know what account was using what ip at a given time. If there were policies in place requiring them to act on behalf of offended web sites, and the sites were required to only ask for it for a well-defined good cause, then the account can be blocked without the person's anonymity being compromised.

Sites could then have a variable policy on posting, based upon how traceable the person was. A personal internet account would make a person pretty traceable, whereas an internet cafe or a business account would not be so much.
ChrisCh
What would be a lot more practical is if every connection had a static IP (V6), and then black listing would become much more effective!
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