Ok. I am curious if the memory of 0-2 year old humans is less advanced than animals. Can you list which animals are more advanced, and the ones that are less advanced?
Are memorie of 1 year old humans less advanced than animals?
| EanofAthenasPrime wrote: |
| Ok. I am curious if the memory of 0-2 year old humans is less advanced than animals. Can you list which animals are more advanced, and the ones that are less advanced? |
The memory?
I don't know, dude. I would think since animal's have such small brains, they wouldn't have very good memory at a young age. But that's just me. I am not a Zoologist, so......yeah.
| YushuaMalik wrote: | ||
The memory? I don't know, dude. I would think since animal's have such small brains, they wouldn't have very good memory at a young age. But that's just me. I am not a Zoologist, so......yeah. |
Of course not. But do you know if there memory is more advanced than a 0-2 year old human's when they are mature?
LIte wrong qusteion the memory dont get more advanced bur the brain does. It exist diffrent simpels test like if i child look at mirror can he understand that is mirror image is a image. Another is to hide a candy in a modellroom and see if the child/animal can find the vandy in the real room and so on. I think diffrents monkys and whales/dolphins have show whery good inteligence on this tests i have a weak memory of 5 tear humanchild. also dogs have good score i think 2 years old child. Im not really sure and test on inteligece are realy hard to do so dont take them to serious.
| EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | ||||
Of course not. But do you know if there memory is more advanced than a 0-2 year old human's when they are mature? |
Are you talking about memory or brain capacity?
EanofAthenasPrime are you basically trying to say other animals are smarter than babies?
P.S: Could you tell me also why are you asking this?
P.S: Could you tell me also why are you asking this?
There's not really a way to classify animals based on intelligence. It turns out that there are lots of ways for animals to be intelligent, and it's practically impossible to assess the intelligence of animals (separating cognizance from instinct).
Some animals typically recognized as intelligent by humans:
horses
cetaceans (whales, dolphins, etc.)
crows and ravens
octopi
most primates, particularly apes and double-particularly chimps
Some animals typically recognized as intelligent by humans:
horses
cetaceans (whales, dolphins, etc.)
crows and ravens
octopi
most primates, particularly apes and double-particularly chimps
As far as memory goes, some animals have better memory than adult humans.
So...animals may have solid consciousness...
Ocalhoun, do you have a source for comparisons of human/animal memory? It does seem feasible that some of the larger animals would exceed humans in memory and some other measures of capacity, for the simple fact that their brains are larger than ours.
The tendency toward intelligence is based not just on the size of the brain, but on the brain mass to body mass ratio. An elephant, for example, needs more neural processing than humans have just to stay upright and healthy. Intelligence is presumably based upon what's left over after the basic life functions have been provided
The tendency toward intelligence is based not just on the size of the brain, but on the brain mass to body mass ratio. An elephant, for example, needs more neural processing than humans have just to stay upright and healthy. Intelligence is presumably based upon what's left over after the basic life functions have been provided
I laways thought that children's brains are like sponges? They remember everything that happens. Isn't it. But I can't talk im only 14!!!! 
| ap0c0lyps3 wrote: |
| I laways thought that children's brains are like sponges? They remember everything that happens. Isn't it. But I can't talk im only 14!!!! |
Yep, thats why 0-2 year olds remember the day they were born....
And interesting thing about the elephant, very logical
Infants and toddlers have PHENOMENAL memories. You say, "Well how come I can't remember much from that age, then?" The reason is because at that age and proceeding through early childhood, so much of the brain is devoted to learning essential skills, language, and tasks, that you overwrite those memories with more important things. You actually do remember a lot from your early childhood or else you'd have no language skills and be socially defunct. You must realize that babies and toddlers engage in a process of not only learning an entire language but learning how to physically produce that language. They learn a massive set of motor skills that creates a functional human being. They establish deep interpersonal relationships with Mom (and Dad) that are essential for their survival and form the foundation for every interpersonal relationship they will ever have.
By 15 months of age, most children can walk on two legs, speak a couple of words, and interact socially. In addition, they understand a much larger vocabulary, even if they can't produce the sounds. Interestingly, when babies are given the chance to learn sign language (basic finger/hand manipulation is easier than the action of producing verbalizations specific to a language/dialect), they demonstrate a remarkable ability to pick it up with a broad vocabulary.
I would strongly doubt the idea that any other animals are smarter than human infants older than a year in age. If you compare age-to-age groups between humans and other animals, not based on absolute time but on relative time, there's no rivalry at all.
By 15 months of age, most children can walk on two legs, speak a couple of words, and interact socially. In addition, they understand a much larger vocabulary, even if they can't produce the sounds. Interestingly, when babies are given the chance to learn sign language (basic finger/hand manipulation is easier than the action of producing verbalizations specific to a language/dialect), they demonstrate a remarkable ability to pick it up with a broad vocabulary.
I would strongly doubt the idea that any other animals are smarter than human infants older than a year in age. If you compare age-to-age groups between humans and other animals, not based on absolute time but on relative time, there's no rivalry at all.
That actually makes sense, so...do you think animals are conscious?
| EanofAthenasPrime wrote: |
| That actually makes sense, so...do you think animals are conscious? |
Define concious, then that can be answered easily.
One memorable test shows that elephants understand that the image they see in a mirror is a reflection of themselves. (as opposed to the way many animals will assume the image is another animal) This was found out by making a mark on the elephant's face that they could not feel, then giving them a mirror to look at. When they see the mark in the mirror, they try to rub it off.
| ocalhoun wrote: | ||
Define concious, then that can be answered easily. One memorable test shows that elephants understand that the image they see in a mirror is a reflection of themselves. (as opposed to the way many animals will assume the image is another animal) This was found out by making a mark on the elephant's face that they could not feel, then giving them a mirror to look at. When they see the mark in the mirror, they try to rub it off. |
Consciousness, the ability to perceive time and the persistent* awareness of one's own existence
It's not easy (dare I say impossible?) to prove that animals have consciousness, but my strong hunch is that many animals do, at varying levels and kinds of awareness. Maybe if people ever figure out what consciousness actually is, we can extrapolate to other organisms. I'm not sure that there's any behavioral method that can distinguish consciousness.
| Gagnar The Unruly wrote: |
| It's not easy (dare I say impossible?) to prove that animals have consciousness, but my strong hunch is that many animals do, at varying levels and kinds of awareness. Maybe if people ever figure out what consciousness actually is, we can extrapolate to other organisms. I'm not sure that there's any behavioral method that can distinguish consciousness. |
It has something to do with electromagnetic pulsational patterns.
| EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | ||||
Consciousness, the ability to perceive time and the persistent* awareness of one's own existence |
I've always had trouble perceiving time. Without a clock, I can't tell the difference between 45 minutes and 3 hours.
Although I am aware of my existence, I'm not sure that I would say that I am persistently so; I often am not exactly aware of myself (such as when I'm driving).
Yet, I consider myself conscious...
Consciousness is a funny thing. We consider it to be a very important part of our existence, and yet it isn't necessary at all. In fact, we switch in and out of consciousness all the time. Even in daily life, we may not always be fully conscious or fully aware all the time (we tend to shift to autopilot).
While I was at the Columbus Zoo, I read on a sign outside the display that Bonobo Apes that are fully grown are roughly as smart as human preschoolers. After watching them for half an hour and seeing the way they interact with each and seeing videos of similar animals communicating through sign language, I can certainly see how their entire brains, including memories, could be more fully developed than that of a baby.
I'm convinced that there is a __huge__ gap between the intelligence of humans and other animals. Nevertheless, some primates can compete with humans in certain areas up to some level of development. For example, chimpanzees are said to resemble human toddlers when they are raised under the same conditions, up to perhaps two years old.
I am definitely in favor of allowing more intelligent animals the opportunity to develop as far as they can in areas normally considered "human only", such as language. I hope there will be more signing gorillas and keyboarding chimpanzees in the future, and I believe we learn much about ourselves when we study them.
For a negative view of primate language abilities, see the writings of Noam Chomsky. He believes humans are pre-wired in some way to learn language, and he downplays the significance of current animal language studies as little more than clever parlor tricks. He even had a research chimpanzee named after him, "Nim Chimsky", as a joke.
I am definitely in favor of allowing more intelligent animals the opportunity to develop as far as they can in areas normally considered "human only", such as language. I hope there will be more signing gorillas and keyboarding chimpanzees in the future, and I believe we learn much about ourselves when we study them.
For a negative view of primate language abilities, see the writings of Noam Chomsky. He believes humans are pre-wired in some way to learn language, and he downplays the significance of current animal language studies as little more than clever parlor tricks. He even had a research chimpanzee named after him, "Nim Chimsky", as a joke.
| ocalhoun wrote: |
| As far as memory goes, some animals have better memory than adult humans. |
basically the main difference between the brain of an animal and a human is instinct.
animals are ruled by it humans are not
sure other factors arise but those have all been defeated i.e animals cant learn a human language, that was seen as crazy and insane and now we can see apes performing sign language at a human level and others learned to perform human only actions like smoking, driving and karate .....
thats just my opinion.
animals are ruled by it humans are not
sure other factors arise but those have all been defeated i.e animals cant learn a human language, that was seen as crazy and insane and now we can see apes performing sign language at a human level and others learned to perform human only actions like smoking, driving and karate .....
thats just my opinion.
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