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What if when you die, this happens: You are reborn as another person.
This is my theory: You can never be unconscious.
Known: You cannot be conscious of being unconscious.
Therefore, you can never be unconscious.
When you are unconscious, time travels infinitely fast. We are conscious because time slows down. The more complex our brain is, the more time is slowed down. First, my consciousness was so faint and fast as an amoeba, then as I evolved into a dinosaur consciousness was less faint and less fast. Then as a human, consciousness is not faint and not fast. The next species I evolve into will have even stronger consciousness.
Mathematically, this follows the inverse square rule. The more time elapses, the slower the process of evolution and the slower consciousness progresses. However, unless the universe is obliterated consciousness will always be more strong, more time consuming, and it will take more and more time to evolve into "perfection." We must take radical steps. We must complete the purpose of evolution. We must create a super consciousness. I will be the leader of this endeavour.
Interesting theory, Ean.
Is perfection then an infinite consciousness? Or have I misinterpreted that?
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We must take radical steps. We must complete the purpose of evolution. We must create a super consciousness. I will be the leader of this endeavour. |
What steps would you suggest?
Something that has always bothered me about the concept of reincarnation is the fact that we can't consciously remember our past lives.
What if we are reincarnated and the reason we can't consciously remember our past lives is because this is our first incarnation? After we die we are then reincarnated in another plane or on another planet with full consciousness of our past life.
Take care,
Eyvind
Perfection would be an *infinite (3*10^8+ consciousness cycles) consciousness with no aberrations interpreted by the conscious spectrum. (We only can feel good).
Yes, karma based reincarnation in this Earth simply isn't logical. And it is purely non-scientific belief that we magically transport memories from past brains. (Maybe the radio wave eyeon transmitters reflect the past's node of positron capacitators.... )
As deep as I think about reincarnation, you have brought a new good and fresh idea that karma reincarnation maybe be possible in other planets. However one should have the option to forget one's past.
The first step I plan to take is to make a book, then make myself a cyborg. A cool cyborg.
| EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | | The first step I plan to take is to make a book, then make myself a cyborg. A cool cyborg. |
ROFL.  Awesome answer.
| Eyvind wrote: | | EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | | The first step I plan to take is to make a book, then make myself a cyborg. A cool cyborg. |
ROFL. Awesome answer. |
lol true
That was much thinking - so what happens if time not exists? What happens to my conscious then?
Time itself remains a mystery to me. If time does not exist...I have no answer to that inquiry. Time always exists in this universe.
enticer-I am happy that you agree with my theory, however, that feeling is just natural instinct,/emotions, not a real memory from a brain of the past. What he is saying is that this is are first incarnation, and when we die we will become life on a different planet, capable of remote memory access.
hmm i believe in the soul and think that the soul might not be able to be destroyed so to some extent we may never be unconscious but then again our human body,mind etc can be. There is no way of telling at this moment of time but i believe things will be proved in the future.
I think that consciousness comes with the brain, not the soul or something like that.
So, there is no way to transport my consciousness to someone else, unless science 'copy/paste' it to his/her brain.
| polis wrote: | I think that consciousness comes with the brain, not the soul or something like that.
So, there is no way to transport my consciousness to someone else, unless science 'copy/paste' it to his/her brain. |
I agree too. However consciousness itself can never die, therefore the phenomenon would travel to living hosts, with means unknown. We don't know exactly what consciousness is, we know its effects so it is an unexplained phenomenon.
People dream every night, but most dont remember them and certainly dont remember them all , if life is but a dream (a vessle for conciousness) them maybe the smaller picture reflects the bigger picture
Great theory! I've also come up with this same exact theory(almost exact).
I say, if you're alive now, you're most likely to live again.
One thing I've thought about is the possibility that the universe loops, so it may be possible that you just replay this one life from start to finish for eternity. Sounds like a crappy eternity but you'd never know the difference. 
In my thinking I've never come up with any goal that its all leading to such as you stated, I'd think that it all just does what it does and theres no real reason for any of this to be occuring, its all just a journey. 
what a bunch of kooky BS! You're a product of this planet and just like every other living creature on it, your existence is dependent on the same things. The fact that you require food, water, oxygen and a less than hostile environment to survive, well, that's just a looney coincidence I'm sure. lol Let me help you out ... you're going to die, never to return. The good news is that unless it's sudden and unforseen you'll manage it just fine. I would prefer to believe I'm mortal and if given the opportunity when my time comes, that's when I'll find the courage to put my best foot forward.
Amuse me, you go on forever, but in this "transition period" of yours, you conveniently forget everything. Why do you suppose that is? There is hope but I'm afraid you've been born much too early. When they can transplant the brain, then you're in business. It isn't your limbs or your face that makes you who and what you are, it's your mind. Right? Replace or alter the mind and nobody knows who the hell you are anymore. See, when you're young, you clone your body's DNA and should you be fortunate enough to keep from killing yourself before you're 40, poof, you transplant your brain into the clone you made 20 yrs ago, that has now matured. Then of course, you start the process all over again.
I know you weren't talking to me Markc99. If you were, thankyou for telling me what I already know. And while your at it, get the hell out. 
Miacps-You have been watching too much Kpax. A deep theory, true, but quite impossible. The universe will collapse differently each time, and expand differently each time. Actually noone is even sure if it will collapse. Galaxies are accelerating away from each other at rising velocities.
Tumbleweed-I don't quite comprehend what you are saying, unless what you are saying is that dreams reflect real life, which has been known to humans as long as the introduction to geometry.
Sorry, but I don't even know what Kpax is! 
Anything I've written above is just a result of too much time spent thinking.
Geometry ?...... life is but a fractal 
| polis wrote: | I think that consciousness comes with the brain, not the soul or something like that.
So, there is no way to transport my consciousness to someone else, unless science 'copy/paste' it to his/her brain. |
Here's another theory:
What if all the intangible elements that make us who we are as an individual (such as memory, personality, inteligence, thought processes, etc.) are actually encoded on the soul/spirit and have nothing to do at all with the brain.
Just for fun, let's use a computer metaphor: The soul/spirit is the CPU so to speak. The brain is the interface with the CPU (call it a monitor) and the body consists of the peripheral devices.
We can only see as much of the CPU spirit as the interface brain will allow us. We use our peripheral devices - scanners and microphones (eyes, ears, mouth, nose, sense of touch) and printers and speakers (mouth, arms, excretion producing functions) - to interact with the environment.
When we die, it's just the interface and the peripherals that are lost and the CPU spirit is hooked up to a new configuration soon afterwards. Why we don't remember the previous consciousness is because there is a slight incompatability issue between the CPU spirit and the new brain interface. Like say, a Windows spirit got hooked up to a Mac brain (only there are millions of different platforms).
Brain damage then, would only really be damage to the interface not to the core (CPU) of the individual. Infant brains (like the screen on my old cell phone) would only show the smallest glimpse of the larger spirit inside the individual.
Just some funs thougts,
Take care,
Eyvind
| Eyvind wrote: | | polis wrote: | I think that consciousness comes with the brain, not the soul or something like that.
So, there is no way to transport my consciousness to someone else, unless science 'copy/paste' it to his/her brain. |
Here's another theory:
What if all the intangible elements that make us who we are as an individual (such as memory, personality, inteligence, thought processes, etc.) are actually encoded on the soul/spirit and have nothing to do at all with the brain.
Just for fun, let's use a computer metaphor: The soul/spirit is the CPU so to speak. The brain is the interface with the CPU (call it a monitor) and the body consists of the peripheral devices.
We can only see as much of the CPU spirit as the interface brain will allow us. We use our peripheral devices - scanners and microphones (eyes, ears, mouth, nose, sense of touch) and printers and speakers (mouth, arms, excretion producing functions) - to interact with the environment.
When we die, it's just the interface and the peripherals that are lost and the CPU spirit is hooked up to a new configuration soon afterwards. Why we don't remember the previous consciousness is because there is a slight incompatability issue between the CPU spirit and the new brain interface. Like say, a Windows spirit got hooked up to a Mac brain (only there are millions of different platforms).
Brain damage then, would only really be damage to the interface not to the core (CPU) of the individual. Infant brains (like the screen on my old cell phone) would only show the smallest glimpse of the larger spirit inside the individual.
Just some funs thougts,
Take care,
Eyvind |
Sure, I understand what you are saying.
But this is just a matter of believes, and I don't believe that there is a soul. I'm more thinking about electromagnetic pulses moving through the brain activating chemical elements that makes us feel and think. Pretty much as a CPU actually.
But the possibility of any theory still there...and might be true.
yep yep
miacps-what you spent 5 minutes making up took scientists many years to invent.
| markrc99 wrote: | what a bunch of kooky BS! You're a product of this planet and just like every other living creature on it, your existence is dependent on the same things. The fact that you require food, water, oxygen and a less than hostile environment to survive, well, that's just a looney coincidence I'm sure. lol Let me help you out ... you're going to die, never to return. The good news is that unless it's sudden and unforseen you'll manage it just fine. I would prefer to believe I'm mortal and if given the opportunity when my time comes, that's when I'll find the courage to put my best foot forward.
Amuse me, you go on forever, but in this "transition period" of yours, you conveniently forget everything. Why do you suppose that is? There is hope but I'm afraid you've been born much too early. When they can transplant the brain, then you're in business. It isn't your limbs or your face that makes you who and what you are, it's your mind. Right? Replace or alter the mind and nobody knows who the hell you are anymore. See, when you're young, you clone your body's DNA and should you be fortunate enough to keep from killing yourself before you're 40, poof, you transplant your brain into the clone you made 20 yrs ago, that has now matured. Then of course, you start the process all over again. |
Thank you for common sense, but what the hell does this have to do with his theory?
dont mind him, he is just a dumas. As all dumases, they start with a direct simple minded insult then type a bunch of simple minded nonsense that they think is going to make me think that they are more intelligient that I, but instead they make me think that they are a dumas.
| EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | | dont mind him, he is just a dumas. |
I see that. lol
| YushuaMalik wrote: | | EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | | dont mind him, he is just a dumas. |
I see that. lol |
lol
| YushuaMalik wrote: | | markrc99 wrote: | what a bunch of kooky BS! You're a product of this planet and just like every other living creature on it, your existence is dependent on the same things. The fact that you require food, water, oxygen and a less than hostile environment to survive, well, that's just a looney coincidence I'm sure. lol Let me help you out ... you're going to die, never to return. The good news is that unless it's sudden and unforseen you'll manage it just fine. I would prefer to believe I'm mortal and if given the opportunity when my time comes, that's when I'll find the courage to put my best foot forward.
Amuse me, you go on forever, but in this "transition period" of yours, you conveniently forget everything. Why do you suppose that is? There is hope but I'm afraid you've been born much too early. When they can transplant the brain, then you're in business. It isn't your limbs or your face that makes you who and what you are, it's your mind. Right? Replace or alter the mind and nobody knows who the hell you are anymore. See, when you're young, you clone your body's DNA and should you be fortunate enough to keep from killing yourself before you're 40, poof, you transplant your brain into the clone you made 20 yrs ago, that has now matured. Then of course, you start the process all over again. |
Thank you for common sense, but what the hell does this have to do with his theory? |
Actually, the second part of his post is in several relation with the theory.
| polis wrote: | | YushuaMalik wrote: | | markrc99 wrote: | what a bunch of kooky BS! You're a product of this planet and just like every other living creature on it, your existence is dependent on the same things. The fact that you require food, water, oxygen and a less than hostile environment to survive, well, that's just a looney coincidence I'm sure. lol Let me help you out ... you're going to die, never to return. The good news is that unless it's sudden and unforseen you'll manage it just fine. I would prefer to believe I'm mortal and if given the opportunity when my time comes, that's when I'll find the courage to put my best foot forward.
Amuse me, you go on forever, but in this "transition period" of yours, you conveniently forget everything. Why do you suppose that is? There is hope but I'm afraid you've been born much too early. When they can transplant the brain, then you're in business. It isn't your limbs or your face that makes you who and what you are, it's your mind. Right? Replace or alter the mind and nobody knows who the hell you are anymore. See, when you're young, you clone your body's DNA and should you be fortunate enough to keep from killing yourself before you're 40, poof, you transplant your brain into the clone you made 20 yrs ago, that has now matured. Then of course, you start the process all over again. |
Thank you for common sense, but what the hell does this have to do with his theory? |
Actually, the second part of his post is in several relation with the theory. |
Admittedly the "when you're young, you clone your body's DNA and should you be fortunate enough to keep from killing yourself before you're 40, poof, you transplant your brain into the clone you made 20 yrs ago, that has now matured. Then of course, you start the process all over again." could potentially benefit the conversation somewhat.
| markrc99 wrote: | | See, when you're young, you clone your body's DNA and should you be fortunate enough to keep from killing yourself before you're 40, poof, you transplant your brain into the clone you made 20 yrs ago, that has now matured. Then of course, you start the process all over again. |
But wouldn't your brain tissue also age? I don't think a brain transplant would give you the result you're looking for. Eventually, it too would break down.
If you're going to do it right, you'd have to figure some way of "uploading" your brain's information content into a new brain. Or create some kind of artificial brain...
I read an interesting book a while back where the main character tells a story of an entire civilization that uploaded itself to a huge computer deep inside the core of their failing planet.
EAP's idea of creating a cool cyborg might be on the right track after all!
| EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | | miacps-what you spent 5 minutes making up took scientists many years to invent. |
Sorry, you lost me there. 
Scientists have come up with this theory already?
I wouldn't say it took me 5 minutes to come to that conclusion, though.
[quote="EanofAthenasPrime"]Time itself remains a mystery to me. If time does not exist...I have no answer to that inquiry. Time always exists in this universe.
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Time to put a bit of effort into the statement that time does not exist. where is the proof that time exists?
Time is just a misunderstanding! Only there is ... is just the moment called now! You can't be elsewhere because... hm thinking of the movies called back to the future - time is not something we can travel in - practically it would just be to easy to do this thing called 'life'.
| spinout wrote: | | EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | Time itself remains a mystery to me. If time does not exist...I have no answer to that inquiry. Time always exists in this universe.
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Time to put a bit of effort into the statement that time does not exist. where is the proof that time exists?
Time is just a misunderstanding! Only there is ... is just the moment called now! You can't be elsewhere because... hm thinking of the movies called back to the future - time is not something we can travel in - practically it would just be to easy to do this thing called 'life'. |
The way I see it, time is a label that in its simplest form describes the progression from the unmanifested into the manifested. What we call the future is the unmanifested. The past is the manifested. We live on that 2-dimensional razor's edge between the two which people like to call the present... but which doesn't technically exist.
I figure it's impossible to travel into the unmanifested without dragging the manifested with us at our rear (though if we know enough about certain manifested variables we can predict with varying degrees of accuracy what is yet to manifest).
Don't know if this definition can aid us in "proving" time exists or not... but might be an interesting angle of attack for those who want to try.
Well said.
-spinout, I was not the one who said anything about the existence of time. Your argument would be better argued with the one you unknowingly intend to argue with.
miacps-yep, I forgot the name, but I found the theory in Wikepedia, and it is in the movie Kpax. Intriguing, but in standard time theory impossible.
Evwind-yep yep, again, you can never be unconscious, the trick is in figuring out what entity you will mantain consciousnesss of. That part I have not figured out. The goal would be to become conscious of a perfect, happy, infinite entity. How I don't know yet. All I can think of is connecting your brain with the (*cyborg*) entity. Controlling who you will be when you die is unknown.
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