Is death something that we should really fear? I've seen death, more than most people ever should in their life, and I'm only 17. I have experienced more lost than most people will in a life time. From all this I think I have learned something, you can't fear death. It comes too all of us.
Some people say that whenever your number is up, it's time to go. That is wrong, there is no number. You die not because some great deity says "It's your time!", you die because either A) Some unfortunate event.. or B) Old age and your body just can't keep going. There is no great agenda about death, it's just something natural. It's as natural as evolution. Now, you can delay death by being healthy and practicing good habits, but you can't stop it.
Let's say someone pushes you out of the way of a bus, if they didn't do it you would have died. Now, you only delayed death, but it will come for you one day. So from what I have seen, death should never be feared. Why waste time being afraid of something that is going to happen no matter what you do?
Ah, but why do you wish too die? If you would die for others in an all out attempt to protect the innocence under your charge, then it is a good thing. But if you wish to die out of self pity, then your death will be a curse that will effect everyone, everyone you have ever known in a profoundly negative way.
To fight and die for true spiritual principles, to protect those that would perish without your sacrifice, then that is a good death indeed. Many warriors of vast spiritual strength have willingly given up their lives in such a cause. Many would give political BS in place of such spiritual goals, but even then, sometimes Freedom is a greater goal that must be achieved, even if the one’s who died did not fully understand why.
If you embrace death at your own hand out of self pity over the awful plight of your life, then you will be trapped in a time loop of misery that makes a single moment seem as an eternity. Over and over again reliving your final moments. But if you die in the service of others not able to protect themselves, and even better, your sacrifice truly does save them to live on to nurture their progeny, then you achieve Valhalla. The heaven of Elysium reserved for God’s consummated warriors.
thats easy to write but not very kind for the millions who commit suicide everyday
| mike1reynolds wrote: |
Ah, but why do you wish too die? If you would die for others in an all out attempt to protect the innocence under your charge, then it is a good thing. But if you wish to die out of self pity, then your death will be a curse that will effect everyone, everyone you have ever known in a profoundly negative way.
To fight and die for true spiritual principles, to protect those that would perish without your sacrifice, then that is a good death indeed. Many warriors of vast spiritual strength have willingly given up their lives in such a cause. Many would give political BS in place of such spiritual goals, but even then, sometimes Freedom is a greater goal that must be achieved, even if the one’s who died did not fully understand why.
If you embrace death at your own hand out of self pity over the awful plight of your life, then you will be trapped in a time loop of misery that makes a single moment seem as an eternity. Over and over again reliving your final moments. But if you die in the service of others not able to protect themselves, and even better, your sacrifice truly does save them to live on to nurture their progeny, then you achieve Valhalla. The heaven of Elysium reserved for God’s consummated warriors. |
I never said that I wanted to die. I simply said that it is unavoidable so you should never fear it, nor let it grief you forever. I'm sorry but I do not believe in a Heaven or Hell. I see no way that either of them could exist. I see them just as I see everything in most religions, just a way to explain complicated things is simple ways for the mass to understand. Death and where you go afterwards is far more complicated than , if your good you go to Heaven and if your bad you go to Hell. | iZen wrote: |
I never said that I wanted to die.
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I was speaking in abstract.
| iZen wrote: |
| Death and where you go afterwards is far more complicated than , if your good you go to Heaven and if your bad you go to Hell. |
Do the good really go too Heaven and the bad too Hell?
The Trinity dictates not only three aspect of God and the soul/spirit/physical nature of our own being, but three destinations in the afterlife as well. Geeks go to Heaven and only the good die young and go to Hell, but those who fight for selfless cause go to Elysium, Valhalla, the planes of grace for true demon warriors who fight for what their heart dictates and fear nothing, not even death. | EanofAthenasPrime wrote: |
| thats easy to write but not very kind for the millions who commit suicide everyday |
Millions... everyday? Surely you exaggerate?
Whatever the numbers, they all suffer the same fate, to be caught in a time loop of unimaginable suffering, a true Hell beyond anything that even the evil suffer.
To kill God within the Self is the greatest "sin" there is. It is a trap set for you by the darkness which knows what men truly suffer after death.Whether you fear death or not depends on what you think will happen after death... If you think you just disappear... that is it a complete end.. then there is nothing to fear and no reason to go on living either... why not kill yourself now and get it over with... if this life is all there is... if your purpose... as a human is nothing above the animals... ie to procreate... then why go on? Kill yourself and do the world a favour...
But if you beleive there is more to come after death... that there is some sort of judgement... that you will meet your creator... or even come back to earth again... then perhaps there is reason for fear
| jipmerite wrote: |
Whether you fear death or not depends on what you think will happen after death... If you think you just disappear... that is it a complete end.. then there is nothing to fear and no reason to go on living either... why not kill yourself now and get it over with... if this life is all there is... if your purpose... as a human is nothing above the animals... ie to procreate... then why go on? Kill yourself and do the world a favour...
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Indeed, indeed. Please do us all a favor, or at least shut up and stop giving encouragement to the innocent to embrace your own pathetic desire for Annihilation.
| jipmerite wrote: |
| But if you beleive there is more to come after death... that there is some sort of judgement... that you will meet your creator... or even come back to earth again... then perhaps there is reason for fear |
Or too love!I have no such desire. In fact I fear death very much and I fear that meeting with my creator even more cos thus far my lifestyle has been less than perfect.
Pathetic desire for Annihilation? Why is everyone talking about Annihilation and a wish to die? What part of what iZen said is being taken as a wish for death here? All he said was 'why fear death when it is inevitable'... He did not say he wishes to die right now because he will sooner or later.
Your death might be caused by Russian roulette, but you're playing it again by dying. Death is a mysterious disease...hiding secrets we'd rather not know. We can only wait until the parasite it is takes our lives, and shows us what lay ahead. Frankly, I don't want to know those secrets. I'd rather make a cure so no man would need to know them.
If there wasn't the drama called death here - then life cound not exist...
I guess none of us really know until we get there... Im not sure if i beleive in an afterlife heaven or hell. I think that reincarnation is possible, i dont think you would remember your past life, or if youd be a human. I just think that some part of you still exists. One thing to consider is that when you die you shed your physical body, your physical body more so inhibits your ability to see the universe as it is. mabe when you die you just 'know' everthing all at once. I also cant see time being a factor when you die.. Does the fact that we die change the rate that time passes? Assuming existance after death is eternal, does this change your oerception of time, at what rate would 100 1000 1,000,000 years pass , knowing an infinate number of years awaits you.
Another thing that i think of is what were you before you were born? Is this the same as death, or did you have some sort of existance beforehand?
We are dying the day we are born...
We won't never be sure what happens after we die, but we surely know what happens when someone die. And I can tell that we can achieve inmortality, in the good way or the bad way. Just like, Jesus, Hitler, Lennon, etc.
My point? I'm with you iZen. Don't worry about death, just try to be the best man you can possibly be.
Everything that is born must die. So why worry? Just live life to the fullest as those who fear death die thousand times before the actual thing. So, just be honest, good and don't commit sins. It's easy to say but not easy to implement at all.
Very thought provoking thoughts ^^^.
It is an interesting discussion, but a useless one. We will all die one day, and only then will we see if there is anything else after. There is no point in discussing it, just live life.
Edit: @mark reynolds: you spell 'to,' 'too'. Are you aware of this? I hate grammar...
i have no fear of death, i know there is an afterlife, as many of my family have been visited by our loved ones who have made the journey, the spiritual realm is open to those who are open to the signs, tho returning to the subject death itself for me is a place were i will rest with my ancestors, i have no fear off death because my peoples basic ideoligies are not in line with the mainstrem thought, ie christianity and sins, for us there is no retrubution for what you do in this stage of existence, on a more philosophical note, for me death is the ulimate equalizer, it has no predjudice, the rich, the poor, young the old, good and the bad, death doesnt care what colour your skin is or what religion you follow. for me i accept death for what it is inevitable, once you accept and welcome death thereby releasing yourself from the burdens of its control, you will find a second becomes a minute, a minute becomes an hour an hour becomes a day, only then will you truly live life...
This topic is somewhat emo (not that I have anything against it, but it makes me grin).
Death is the great release for me. I dont want to age and grow old, old so that I piss myself, need help to clean myself. The worst feeling in the world for me is uselesness, and after a certain age I become useless, except as a souvenir. I dont feel a 'fear' of death, Id just be greatly disappointed if it happened too early, because I wouldnt have achieved some things I want to achieve. And the 'no fear' thing also comes from the fact that if I die and there is not afterlife, I just cease to exist, I wont feel bad or anything, I just wont exist anymore, so I dont have the feeling that I must leave a good memory of me for other people, that I dont need a grave or anything. I *CEASE* to exist, I dont care what happens because of me, my death, my life.
On the other hand, if an afterlife exists, thatll turn my existance much more interesting. Thus, all things like ethics, religion, love, politics seem so unintresting, and I barly commit myself to any of them, although it sometimes feels hard to do so.
| c'tair wrote: |
This topic is somewhat emo (not that I have anything against it, but it makes me grin).
Death is the great release for me. I dont want to age and grow old, old so that I piss myself, need help to clean myself. The worst feeling in the world for me is uselesness, and after a certain age I become useless, except as a souvenir. I dont feel a 'fear' of death, Id just be greatly disappointed if it happened too early, because I wouldnt have achieved some things I want to achieve. And the 'no fear' thing also comes from the fact that if I die and there is not afterlife, I just cease to exist, I wont feel bad or anything, I just wont exist anymore, so I dont have the feeling that I must leave a good memory of me for other people, that I dont need a grave or anything. I *CEASE* to exist, I dont care what happens because of me, my death, my life.
On the other hand, if an afterlife exists, thatll turn my existance much more interesting. Thus, all things like ethics, religion, love, politics seem so unintresting, and I barly commit myself to any of them, although it sometimes feels hard to do so. |
Sad, but true.I get where you are coming from. I agree completely.
Death shouldn't be feared. And as a Theist, I see it as an advancement.
Even the bible states that "each man will die", so why worry. And in case you want a referrence, it's:
Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
Death is a natural occurence that will happen to everyone. It's not something that can be stopped. I don't even fear growing old because of all the things I'll see, but like c'tair, I don't look forward to being useless and unable to do for myself. Right now, I'm probably half way to old now, so I don't have that far to go.
I believe that when you're dead you don't feel anything. So why be afraid of it? It can't be worse than life.
To 'die' is a relief for the soul - it is tuff to be connected to a body, but it gets easier under the journey. That's why kids sleep so much; because the soul needs to rest n escape for a while. The body dwell in the soul - not the other way around.
| spinout wrote: |
| To 'die' is a relief for the soul - it is tuff to be connected to a body, but it gets easier under the journey. That's why kids sleep so much; because the soul needs to rest n escape for a while. The body dwell in the soul - not the other way around. |
Actually kids sleep so much because they use more energy and imagination that adults and need to refresh themselves more often, and excerise there imagination different through dreaming. Also, there is no magical soul, that is preposterous. So, inside your brain, there is a magical entity. What controls this magical entity? A magical brain? Inside this magical brain is another magical entity. This entity must also have a magical brain. This goes on forever. Souls are laughably simplistic concepts. So when you die, even though your brain ceases to exists, and even though your brain is how you think, somehow magically you will be able to be conscious like you still had your brain? laughabledeath is nothing to be afraid of. Most people assume its a negative thing because we dont know what happens after you die but i think its not negative or positive. There is no point fearing death because it might be good or bad but its likely you cannot change what will happen so its unnessacary fear. Fear nothing but fear itself...
I honestly don't think too much of death, and I think that many other people think the same thing, until you are faced with death face to face. That's when you realize that hey... I might not live.
Me personally have been faced with the fact that I might die and it really scares you sometimes when you think of the special people in your life when you think how they're going to feel when you are gone. It makes you understand the values of life.
| EanofAthenasPrime wrote: |
| spinout wrote: | | To 'die' is a relief for the soul - it is tuff to be connected to a body, but it gets easier under the journey. That's why kids sleep so much; because the soul needs to rest n escape for a while. The body dwell in the soul - not the other way around. |
Actually kids sleep so much because they use more energy and imagination that adults and need to refresh themselves more often, and excerise there imagination different through dreaming. Also, there is no magical soul, that is preposterous. So, inside your brain, there is a magical entity. What controls this magical entity? A magical brain? Inside this magical brain is another magical entity. This entity must also have a magical brain. This goes on forever. Souls are laughably simplistic concepts. So when you die, even though your brain ceases to exists, and even though your brain is how you think, somehow magically you will be able to be conscious like you still had your brain? laughable |
I tried to inform that the hm... 'magical entity' is not inside the brain, but the other way around actually. Inside the 'magical entity' is the brain/body/mind. This is often misunderstood in the most cultures.
Ok, try to rewrite your comment with this in mind, please! Because then some intresting thoughts will pop up. | Manntis wrote: |
Me personally have been faced with the fact that I might die and it really scares you sometimes when you think of the special people in your life when you think how they're going to feel when you are gone. It makes you understand the values of life. |
This is a very loving comment!
One of the first memories I have was when I was standing in a window looking down to a certain death, I was thinking of let go n then I saw the progress of my mother very sad n the funeral aso - but I really didn't want my mother to be sad because I loved her so I leaned back. I must maximum been 2 years of age. ..
'I might die' you wrote - men often say 'if I die' - women often say 'when I die'. that's the way of hormones???I'll you if I fear death when I'm about to die, until then I wont know will I?
I can be brave now and say whatever I want, my wife had cancer for eight years from the age of 32, she died aged 40 and belive me it's not so simple as a couple of sentences!
Not to answer anyone elses comment; We have had tv programs on the death subject - not only the loss but also what you should think of as a relative (where, when, how...). Also it is always good to think about this when you are 'alive' how you want to be buried; coffin? type of coffin? Burned? Where would your ashes like to be spread, if not buried aso. It's tricky to be born, also tricky to be dust again..
