Can any of you tell me something about sufism?
I have been very interested in the Mystic side of spiritualism in the world.
My own experience and trend is that all of that is fully natural, and is written in many languages and cultural approaches from the beginning of times.
I am glad to come into Mysticism from both the Christian spirituality, and the Taoist philosophy. Everything is leading me to see it is all about the same, and this makes a lot of sense, since we all in the world have got a mind, a body and a spirit. Therefore, the physical and spiritual trips must not be so different...
Thank you
My religion is Taoist/Jewish/Methodism. As such I have great respect for your expressed point of view, it is hardly distinct from my own. However, I must say that Sufiism, as heavy as it is, has a fundamentally demonic base, Islam. Not that there are not pervasive demonic influences in Christianity and even Judaism, but Islam is substantially more demonic in that regard.
I once rad the poetry of Rumi. I was profoundly drawn too it, and yet I must admit many intense objections to both the fundamental bases and the poetic imagery engaged. It is supposedly inspire by his assassinated Imam (priest). Why was this priest assassinated in the first place, and why does Rumi never address the fact that this Imam's disappearance was clearly a result of assassination?
Sufiism is head an shoulders above any other Islamic sect in terms of spiritual insight and profundity. Nothing can ever take that away from humans, but never attribute these profound insights to the Islamic context, Islam is profound despite these things. Or perhaps it is indeed because of these things... sometimes it is only as a result of the greatest resistance from the dark side that the Light shines most brightly.
I should add that references to the Qur’an in the writings of Sufi mystics is almost nonexistant. They much more commonly reference the more profound Hadiths (direct sayings or events from the life of Mohammed) although even that is extremely rare. Mostly their profound spiritual insights come directly from life, without relying on any kind of kiss ass spiritual authority to back them up.
| eljormaz wrote: |
Can any of you tell me something about sufism?
I have been very interested in the Mystic side of spiritualism in the world.
My own experience and trend is that all of that is fully natural, and is written in many languages and cultural approaches from the beginning of times.
I am glad to come into Mysticism from both the Christian spirituality, and the Taoist philosophy. Everything is leading me to see it is all about the same, and this makes a lot of sense, since we all in the world have got a mind, a body and a spirit. Therefore, the physical and spiritual trips must not be so different...
Thank you |
Mate, trying to explain sufism in a post is like trying to describe the appearance of grass to a blind man in more than a hundred words. In other words, it's impossible.
There's a book which contains some inaccuracies in some places, and ignorantly tries to describe certain things, but this book also explains sufism perfectly. It's called no god but God by reza aslan. Buy the book and read the chapter on sufism. The whole book i'd give 7 out of 10.
may God bless you. | loyal wrote: |
It's called no god but God by reza aslan.
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may God bless you. |
Peace be upon you my bother in Allah!
I am a student of all religions, even those I assume as overtly rather than covertly demonic, such as Nagualism (a brand of Yaqui Aztec shamanism, which is in fact my favorite of all ancient religions, despite the fact that it makes no bones about denying the existence of God, though I disagree vehemently.)
Please, pray tell, in all honesty, I beg for any understanding of Aslan that you can provide. I have been hit between the eyes, long ago (10 years) by a description of Aslan that I could not understand. Anything more that you can tell me about this subject will fascinate me far more than our present stagnant debate about Islam... | mike1reynolds wrote: |
| loyal wrote: | It's called no god but God by reza aslan.
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may God bless you. |
Peace be upon you my bother in Allah!
I am a student of all religions, even those I assume as overtly rather than covertly demonic, such as Nagualism (a brand of Yaqui Aztec shamanism, which is in fact my favorite of all ancient religions, despite the fact that it makes no bones about denying the existence of God, though I disagree vehemently.)
Please, pray tell, in all honesty, I beg for any understanding of Aslan that you can provide. I have been hit between the eyes, long ago (10 years) by a description of Aslan that I could not understand. Anything more that you can tell me about this subject will fascinate me far more than our present stagnant debate about Islam... |
I'm a bit confused. You want to hear how aslan describes the sufis? note: reza aslan is a man/author.
I'd love to help you out once i understan d what you';r asking forTo let you all know, I AM a Muslim, and AM practicing the Sufism methodology at my place..
This might not seem the right place, but brother, just because you asked, I am describing it to you...
We have our own Sufi Saint, my Shaikh as we call it, or one who guides you throughout your journeys, hide's and let's you know what you want, but NOT without God's permission.. And, well, as I had been pulled into this Sufism matters by my parents, I had just blindly followed it, UNTIL ---
There was this day when I went to my Shaykh to tell about praying for my exams, as usual you know.. And a MIRACLE happened in front of my eyes.. These things then became so recurring, that I could'nt help but imagine that it IS for real... I can't write all those happenings over here, but seriously, it really is INTENSE.. You know, then I grabbed some good books on Sufism, and read through them.. I really got to know a lot about it, I strengthened my faith and my concentration during meditation with them...
As for explaining how it goes, you first should have firm belief in SUFISM, and find a Sufi Master in your area... I will then write the details if you want to know anything else, but please brother, never think that you are bothering me, it's just that I want to help more and more people to get to know about the real reason of life, and the way to acheive it.
As for proofs DIRECTLY from our Holy Book - Qur'an, I can provide direct Ayahs (quotes) from it that show that Sufism IS allowed, and WAS practiced by the Holy Prophet (PBUH) himself. But that would be on further requests only..
I've tried to be as clear as I could, but I can't help any mistakes. Hope this gets some people to the right path..
Warm Regards,
| toughtrio wrote: |
| ...As for proofs DIRECTLY from our Holy Book - Qur'an, I can provide direct Ayahs (quotes) from it that show that Sufism IS allowed, and WAS practiced by the Holy Prophet (PBUH) himself. But that would be on further requests only... |
Salam alaykum brother.
I would like to request you post some of these verses proving sufism is allowed.
Note: i am not sunni or shia, just Muslim.
I find Sufism very interesting. How long does it take to become a sufi master?
may Allah bless you.I think Sufism is like a Hindu version of Islam......in other words, very different than Islam.
The Sufis, worship others than Allaah, such as Prophets and “awliya’” [“saints”], living or dead. They say, “Yaa Jeelaani”, “Yaa Rifaa’i” [calling on their awliya’], or “O Messenger of Allaah, help and save” or “O Messenger of Allaah, our dependence is on you”, etc.
Also, they believe in wahdat al-wujood (unity of existence). They do not have the idea of a Creator and His creation, instead they say that everything is creation and everything is God [ Hinduism].
They unscrupulously claim that they take knowledge directly from Allaah, without the mediation of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They say, “Haddathani qalbi ‘an Rabbi (My heart told me from my Lord).”
Once the Sufi becomes constant in dhikr - remembrance of Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta’aala), they claim that he acquires sufficient tranquility of heart to experience a delusion that helps them pass through the various stages described below.
First he is bewildered, then intoxicated with love of the Remembered One, and finally he passes through the stage of fanaa', or annihilation, in which he becomes fully absorbed to the point of becoming unaware of himself or the objects around him. Every existing thing seems to vanish, and he feels free of every barrier that could stand in the way of his viewing the Remembered One and nothing else.
This is clear disbelief since Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta’aala) says:
"There is none like unto Him; He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower." [42:11]
That's a brief explanation.......
