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MWI, Invincibilty! and some quantum philosophy

 


EanofAthenasPrime
Read this about quantum suicide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide

Read this about quantum immortality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_immortality

Read this about a chancy cat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_Cat

Don't click on any links yet.

Read why those are both rubbish: I believe, with an 11th graders "knowledge" of quantum physics, that these scenarios we created because of a fundamental lack of understand of consciousness. Like theists, atheists also look for law higher than reality. They are all interesting thought experiments. They all sound true until you use real logic to debunk them.

You are born. Regardless of MWI (Many Worlds Interpretation) you will die. Humans cannot live forever. Your consciousness may be invincible but your personality and memories will leave your consciousness.

In the MWI you are 3000 years old, but you are not human (yes I am tripping) you are an alien (according to Earth). But you were always alien weren't you? You clearly remember making all of the decisions you did 2990 years ago, but in a different universe, according to Earth, you died. So in the span of 100 years you "die" according to everyone else on Earth universes, and when you are about to die transition to a different universe to be reborn. But here we have a glitch, the aliens take away to become conscious. Another glitch is that MWI says you are invincible with the same memories and personality, surely that is impossible, since committing suicide via sitting on a nuclear bomb would put you into a universe where it is common to survive such things, rewriting memories which in this universe say such things are IMPOSSIBLE. You cannot have the same memories (memories=influence over personality) in MWI because clearly in this world it would be impossible to live for 3000 years in. You would have to transport to another universe which would either make you reborn or continue what "quantum god" deemed the most accurate reconstruction of your character. Of course theres the option that in your "personal universe" you become famous as you have been a living homo sapiens for 3000 years. I am an atheist and I find God much easier to believe than this MWI stuff (Multi-Worlds Interpretations.)

The people who made MWI don't have a firm grasp on consciousness. Like religious people, they think it is more of a magic than a science. The human brain is ELECTRICITY AND ORGANIC MATTER! CONSCIOUSNESS IS AMAZING, but not as amazing as MWI!

MWI is like saying that the existence of a computer has its own individual universe. There are *infinite universes since each computer shapes its own destiny, and the universes must be like framelike animations, slight variations depending on the outcomes. Lets see the minimum amount universes there would be for a someone that can choose whether or not to kill 8 different people in 1 hour. 6.912*10^13 universes, if the Universe consisted of 8 entities with nothing else other than the capacity to cancel each other's existence.

Someone please explain to me what quantum physics I don't know what it is.
mike1reynolds
EanofAthenasPrime wrote:
Your consciousness may be invincible but your personality and memories will leave your consciousness.
MWI aside, what leaves you to the above conclusion?

While you may not have full conscious access to the memory of your past lives, still Buddhism and Hinduism describe reincarnation as being like the ripples in the sand on the ocean floor that reflect the waves above. You cannot escape your karma, the sum toto of your behavior, demeanor and character in past lives. These things all still shine through, or blight the fortune of the perpetually wicked.
EanofAthenasPrime
mike1reynolds wrote:
EanofAthenasPrime wrote:
Your consciousness may be invincible but your personality and memories will leave your consciousness.
MWI aside, what leaves you to the above conclusion?

While you may not have full conscious access to the memory of your past lives, still Buddhism and Hinduism describe reincarnation as being like the ripples in the sand on the ocean floor that reflect the waves above. You cannot escape your karma, the sum toto of your behavior, demeanor and character in past lives. These things all still shine through, or blight the fortune of the perpetually wicked.


Um...the first part I wrote, to show the only way MWI could be possible (an edited MWI).

You can believe that stuff if you want to, but I think that your brains personality and life events determine how "evil" or "good" you are. I also don't think it would be fair to have a whole new person, innocent of previous guilt, to be punished for something they really did not do. I think that is what would only seem just from a standard human's perspective, not a god's. Also, in religion, my logic is, if a human could have made up, then I am going to believe a human did make it up. Until I actually seem a religion thats deeper than text and traditional practices, no matter how well written, I will remain an atheist. I need a reason other than putting faith in some text to believe in a god. It is logical that to believe in a god, that one should see real works of god, not just text saying there were works of god in the past, and not anymore. I don't care how many threats they put in the text such hellfire and BS. Any human could have wrote that. I am above the fear of text and waiting for a religion that is REAL! not based on traditions and text.
mike1reynolds
[quote="EanofAthenasPrime"]
mike1reynolds wrote:
I also don't think it would be fair to have a whole new person, innocent of previous guilt, to be punished for something they really did not do.
If you think that you are just an animal with no spirit then you are free to live as animal with no thought of the future.
EanofAthenasPrime
[quote="mike1reynolds"]
EanofAthenasPrime wrote:
mike1reynolds wrote:
I also don't think it would be fair to have a whole new person, innocent of previous guilt, to be punished for something they really did not do.
If you think that you are just an animal with no spirit then you are free to live as animal with no thought of the future.


Your not getting what Im saying. I am not denying the fact that we have consciousness (If you want to say a "spirit" I'm alright with that too.) Nor am I saying we should not look towards making a better future. What I am saying is that it would be an unjust policy to continually punish someone for their past crimes. Even if there are magical "spirits" inside every brain, I think you take the concept past what is proven to be real science. Our personality is directly based on our brain structure and life occurrences. When I say based, I mean 100% based. A system that gives you karma on what brain and circumstances in the past happened to you is completely unfair. Of course you probably believe in free will, which I don't.
This is analogy I made of what free will is:
You are looking at 3000 different Pacman replay screens simultaneously (the demos you can't play.) You are bored, and have no money so you stand at the controls. To your amazement, when you move the joystick in some of the screens PacMan seems to respond to you! That is like freewill, (and the best analogy ever created.)

(And by the way humans are animals)
mike1reynolds
Whatever.
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