Should suicide be ilegal?
I think, in some case , like euthanasia, it should be legal. Meanwhile failure in self-blowing out to kill others should be penalized.
But, what about self-hanging and others?
Here is some reference:
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In some jurisdictions, an act or failed act of suicide is considered to be a crime. Some places consider failure to be attempted murder, with the victim being oneself, and will prosecute such offenders for attempted murder.[citation needed] More commonly, a surviving party member who assisted in the suicide attempt will face criminal charges.
In Brazil, suicide is not a crime, but willfully instigating or assisting in its completion is.[citation needed] If the help is directed to a minor, the penalty is applied in its double and not considered as homicide. In Italy and Canada, instigating another to suicide is also a criminal offence.[citation needed] In Singapore, assisting in the suicide of a mentally-handicapped person is a capital offense. |
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Economic impact
Deaths and injuries from suicidal behavior represent $25 billion each year in direct costs, including health care services, funeral services, autopsies and investigations, and indirect costs like lost productivity.[22] [23]
These costs may be counterbalanced by economic gains. Expenditure on those who would have continued living is reduced, including pensions, social security, health care services for the mentally ill [24] as well as other normal budgetary expenditure per head of living population. |
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_views_of_suicide What about failure to hang ones self, or another method that causes no physical harm to others? I don't believe that should be illegal. These are, after all, OUR bodies. We should have full rights over them.
I don't think it is illegal anywhere is it? Well, even if it is, how is society gonna stop it anyway? People kill themselves when they don't feel like livin 
Hi, dear friend, this is my opinion:
Because one's body is not only the house of himself, but also the house of many other living beings (eg: worms, etc.)
When a person is alive, his spiritual power can maintain his body so that his body is "formed", and when his soul leaves his body, the body will corrupt.
Therefore, if one kills himself, he also destroys the house of many other living beings -- this is why suicide is sinful.
I don't mean to be either rude or a smartass but how on Earth can you ban someone from killing himself?! I mean if he wants to kill himself then in all likelihood he will succeed and so how can you penalize him? Go after his family? Not to mention the shire impossibleness of the task. How can you monitor and control each and every citizen's behavior? If a government could and prevent a person from fulfilling an action than that would be a scary scary world indeed. Matrix or Equilibrium anyone?!
If a person wants to die, why stop them? Our bodies are our own, we supposedly live in a free sociaety. Why shouldn't we be alowed to determine the time and method of our own deaths?
Suicide is tragic, and not the best way to solve ones problems, but, as long as the method dosen't harm anyone else (like jumping from an overpass onto a busy freeway, or suicide by cop, etc...), then I see no reason why it should be illegal.
Cowardly, messy, hard on friends and family left behind - yes, but illegal? Why?
While it's understandable that the law might have an issue with someone assisting another person to commit suicide (it may be difficult to distinguish between assisting a suicide and commiting murder for example), the idea of making suicide illegal is ridiculous.
I understand that the authorities might pass laws like this to attempt to limit the possibility of citizens commiting suicide, but making suicide illegal is not the solution.
For one thing it will just make people more determinded to "get it right". For another it will cause people who want to commit suicide to be more secretive and less likely to ask for help or tell someone they are thinking of suicide. This means that any chance of helping such a person will be greatly reduced.
I think the authorities should rather focus their attentions on other methods of rewducing suicides and potential suicides.
Even if its illegal if someone commits suicide (with no outside help) who will the govt prosecute??? The dead guy??
Although I think euthanasia should be legalized.
Technically, you might be able to charge someone with murder for themselves, but unfortunately, you can't enforce the law, really, and the only thing the police could do is just fine a family member.
Even if a law making it illegal were enforceable, I don't think it should be illegal. It doesn't hurt anyone else, so I think it should be entirely up to the person, it's their life not anyone else's that they're taking.
I see it now:
"John Smith has had a bounty placed on him due to the fact that he failed to show up to his court appointment, being charged with Suicide."
What a useless question.
| SlugDragon wrote: |
I see it now:
"John Smith has had a bounty placed on him due to the fact that he failed to show up to his court appointment, being charged with Suicide."
What a useless question. |
1st The question is OBVIOUSLY about a failure on commiting suicide. How the hell could you charge someone who is already DEAD!?
2nd PLEASE read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_views_of_suicideIf they decide to put Suicide illigal, they can't stop people from killing themselves.
There will be charges for suicide? Who's going to serve that charge. The dead person perhaps?
| stan wrote: |
| I don't think it is illegal anywhere is it? Well, even if it is, how is society gonna stop it anyway? People kill themselves when they don't feel like livin |
It is in Singapore. Failed suicidal attempts will lead to you being jailed, rehabbed, etc etc. I personally feel that suicide should neither be legal nor illegal. How do I put it? I'll try.
Law should not posses the rights over our own bodies, BUT perhaps another person have the rights over our own bodies. ( Examples could be your mother, since they made you, practically. )
On the other hand, making suicides illegal sounds very dumb to me. Would you like to throw a dead person in jail? Or even give the dead person a trial ( In which if he does not have a defense lawyer he will just lose since he cannot speak. )?i think people have a right to choose whether they want to live or not but if it affects other people then maybe it should be stopped. I guess they could break off all relationships, move far away and die so that loved ones dont have to find the body because that'd ruin their lives and i believe thats just plain selfish!
if it's illegal, it would be funny to see the police jail somebody who's failed to kill himself.
"if you commit suicide, make sure you die. or you'll end up in jail or get fined $2000." hahaha
If by illegal is meant ethicaly illegal then the answer is yes, suicide is illegal.
The reason why suicide is considered illegal is because this life is a test and God has created human beings to struggle through life fighting the hardest times.
If a person gets fed up with his/her life then that person should keep in mind that whatever he/she is going through will be rewarded for in the Hereafter provided that the cause of his/her life is righteous.
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If by illegal is meant ethicaly illegal then the answer is yes, suicide is illegal.
The reason why suicide is considered illegal is because this life is a test and God has created human beings to struggle through life fighting the hardest times.
If a person gets fed up with his/her life then that person should keep in mind that whatever he/she is going through will be rewarded for in the Hereafter provided that the cause of his/her life is righteous. |
Oh, I see. Not being offensive or anything but..
Wow, thank God for rewarding me with some crap after enduring ( most probably 70+ years ) of torture! And wow! You rewarded me with 10 years in heaven!
Really. God create us to torture us? What twisted mind does God have then? Why would God want us to struggle to live? So by the definition we have in mind about Evil and Good. Don't God belong to the Evil side now?I have always found it bizarre that the law thinkgs it has a say in what we do to our own bodies. Why can't I choose to leave this world if and when I want to, especially in the case of a terminal illness.
I know I will never commit suicide, but I also know that if I had any kind of serious illness I would not accept a mass amount of medical intervention to keep myself alive for a prolonged time. I believe in being able to die when you're ready, in some cultures older or sick people just go out into the bush and stop eating and let themselves die. Watching both of my grandmothers grow frail and eventually die in the last few years has only strengthened that thought. Both of them felt they had to prolong their lives and accept numerous painful and unnecessary medical treatments in the hope that they would live longer when both of them readily admitted that they were ready to go.....
Its your own body, so you should be able to decide what to do with it. If you want to kill yourself its your choice.
What's the point?
If someone's depressed enough to try to kill themself, is jail-time or community service:
A) Going to make things better
B) Going to make them try harder in future, and this time succeed in killing themselves
I'm going to go with B.
The best thing for someone who's attempted suicide is counselling and the support of family and friends - things which don't need the force of law behind them.
Quite aside from the absurdities of sentencing someone for depression, what basis is there for needing such a law? The legal rights of our government do NOT extend to dictating our mindsets.
Let them kill themselves...Less morons to deal with in this world. Like we need any more. 
HAHAHAHA - this is hilarious!
Picture the scenario if it was illegal -
some bloke tops hiomself and the police go round to arrest him - can any one spot what's wrong with this?
As to morally? It's not down on anyone on this earth to decide. - Only God knows and can make that desicion.
I'm assuming they meant attempted suicide.
It is illegal and can be prosecuted if the suicide doesn't succeed.
I guess a better question is: does it matter? So it's illegal. I personally think a failed suicide attempt should be prosecuted as attempted murder, because you are attempting to take your life (a life).
...But if you succeed, end of story I suppose...
Suicide should and never should be illegal as the people who try or attempt to take their own lives are to be shown mercy but why should they be punished.?
I don't see the meaning in wanting to have suicide illegal. Why is it so in some countries? I can't get it. I guess it's another stupid thing caused by religion and the belief that "god" *vomits* doesn't like it.
Why punish someone that needs help? Just think of it. Why do people try to commit suicide? Since they're (in most cases) depressed and can't see any point in living. Could it really help to get rid of their depression by punishing them? I don't think so.
If suicide was illegal then my x husband would be in jail..All they did was put him in the mental ward for a day.. 
Of course I was the blame for the attempt. | rheanna wrote: |
| If suicide was illegal then my x husband would be in jail..All they did was put him in the mental ward for a day.. Of course I was the blame for the attempt. |
I can see why. You're a bit cruel.
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| Let them kill themselves...Less morons to deal with in this world. Like we need any more. |
Case and point above...Hmmm.....
If suicide would be illegal WHAT on earth would be the penalty.
Once your dead nothing can be done so I don't quite see the logic behind that.
Or would we hold court cases against those who committed suicide - a dead body on the stand...kinda odd right?
I don't think that its even possible to do that. Murder can be illegal and can also be punished because the murderer is often alive to go through that process that follows after you did something illegal.
If you commit suicide's YOUR GONE!!!
ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE YOU then (or do you think otherwise)
>>That is simply beyond human's jurisdiction to judge or punish
IN THE CASE OF A FAILED SUICIDE ATTEMPT:
Well, put him in a clinic! He needs professional help.
People who do those things are often DEPRESSED or in DEEP S#!t (problems within relationships and that sorta stuff)
Charging the person with a fine or putting him in prison would only get him MORE depressed and would probably lead to an extremely bizarre attempt to suicide.
The point to making suicide illegal is to put more pressure on the person making the decision. If you’re thinking about trying to kill yourself and you know you’re going to have to spend a long time locked up in a hospital under suicide watch when you don’t follow through all the way, then you’ll avoid the attempt all together, unless you really mean it.
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| rheanna wrote: | | If suicide was illegal then my x husband would be in jail..All they did was put him in the mental ward for a day.. Of course I was the blame for the attempt. |
I can see why. You're a bit cruel.
| Quote: | | Let them kill themselves...Less morons to deal with in this world. Like we need any more. |
Case and point above... |
I have a reason to be cruel..I worked my butt off for 10 yrs for him to take it all. LOL, he called me on the phone saying he was going kill himself and I was like "Don't Miss" ROFL! Needless to say he missed and costed me an extra 10k for the divorce..grrr. If he offed himself I would of saved more money. | matto wrote: |
| The point to making suicide illegal is to put more pressure on the person making the decision. If you’re thinking about trying to kill yourself and you know you’re going to have to spend a long time locked up in a hospital under suicide watch when you don’t follow through all the way, then you’ll avoid the attempt all together, unless you really mean it. |
That assumes that the person considering suicide is rational enough to consider the potential consequences of failure and I would argue that is unlikely in many cases.
I would also point out that suicide is not illegal in the UK (since the 'suicide' act of 1961). There appears to be no correlation between legality and incidence as the following shows:
Nothing ever goes my way....still waiting for him to off himself...........lol,, I'll never get that lucky............
The problem with suicuide is that it actually affects others as well. Think about it, if you have a huge bunch of debts to various people, from where should they take that money? Either they are forced to taked from your relatives of erase the whole debt - and therefore maybe lose a lot of money.
The problem is as said that it's a little bit hard to set penalty on suicude, especially if the person suceeds but it is not like it always only affects the person. Even though that person might be the one who is most affected..
| Jakob [JaWGames] wrote: |
| The problem with suicuide is that it actually affects others as well. Think about it, if you have a huge bunch of debts to various people, from where should they take that money? Either they are forced to taked from your relatives of erase the whole debt - and therefore maybe lose a lot of money. |
The issue is clear in law (certainly in the UK and I suspect it is the same in the US and other western countries). The debts are due from the estate of the deceased and should be allocated from the estate by the executor before any remainder was divided amongst surviving relatives. Where the estate is insufficient to cover any outstanding debts then the debt is written-off but, in such cases, one could question whether the debt should have been allowed to accrue in the first place since the lender probably failed to secure the debt properly. | Quote: |
| The problem is as said that it's a little bit hard to set penalty on suicude, especially if the person suceeds but it is not like it always only affects the person. Even though that person might be the one who is most affected.. |
True enough but, as you point out, penalising suicide is not really the answer.Suicide is illegal, but if someone does it then there's no way they can go to jail.
| Timic83 wrote: |
| Suicide is illegal, but if someone does it then there's no way they can go to jail. |
No, as I previously pointed out, it is NOT illegal in the UK since 1968.On my own opinion, it is ILEGAL in terms of beliefs and religion.
Why? Because taking your own life is against God's will and it is a mortal sin to take what God has created.
It is said that no one should ever take one's life other than God. It is a very good sign of disobeying our God and our creator. People who take this action has a very very poor faith in life and love, and most especially to God. This people also tends to be selfish enough not to mind others and look only to himself or herself. This people are always self centered and not Christ centered.
My only saying is "Don't give a poor a fish, Tech him how to Catch the fish"
which means, never join the person in deepression, join him in prayer with God.
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On my own opinion, it is ILEGAL in terms of beliefs and religion.
Why? Because taking your own life is against God's will and it is a mortal sin to take what God has created.
It is said that no one should ever take one's life other than God. It is a very good sign of disobeying our God and our creator. People who take this action has a very very poor faith in life and love, and most especially to God. This people also tends to be selfish enough not to mind others and look only to himself or herself. This people are always self centered and not Christ centered.
My only saying is "Don't give a poor a fish, Tech him how to Catch the fish"
which means, never join the person in deepression, join him in prayer with God. |
i reject your god and substitute my own. ^_^ i choose a religion that says when one has dishonoured oneself in some way, a ritual suicide is in order. According to my religion, if my sin is bad enough, i must bring myself before my god immediately in order to be judged. If i wait until my god gets around to taking me himself, he will be much less forgiving than if i had come to him humbly.
Now, tell me my religion is wrong and yours is right. i dare you. ^_^
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The moral of this is that saying that X is wrong (or right) because your religion says so is no better than saying "it is my opinion that X is wrong (or right), but it is only my opinion and there is no reason for you to think that it might be true". Because if you're saying anything stronger than that, you're telling other people that their religion is wrong and yours is right. And that... is religious intolerance.If that would be the case then I believe in your religion. But give me five reasons to identify that your sin is bad enough to take that ritual suicide.
Mine was a more mundane and simple objection.
LEGAL is decided by the state. If you live in a religious state such as Israel, Iran etc then you can make the argument that legality and morality are both perhaps matters for the state.
If you do NOT live in a religious state, however, then making that argument is insulting to those, like me, who may not share your religion.
What is legal is not the same as what is moral. Your moral code is yours to define and, no doubt, will be influenced by your religion - that is fine with me - I wish you luck and happiness.
What is NOT fine is to insist that your religion gives you some sort of right to tell me and others who are not members of your religion what is and is not allowed by the state - i.e. what is legal and what is not legal. That is what we call religious bigotry, or perhaps religious fascism would be more accurate. In either case this should not be tolerated by any citizen of a secular state - even those who belong to the religion in question.
Why?
Because the legal system does not exist to enforce any particular religious moral code and, I hope, it never will. At the moment you are free to observe your moral code according to your religion and I am free to ignore it, according to my own ethics. Imagine you manage to make suicide illegal on religious grounds. You gain nothing, since you will still follow the moral code you did before - no change. I, however, loose something - my freedom to NOT belong to your religion. So we go from a situation where 2 people are pretty free to a situation where 1 person is the same but the other is less free. Why would you want to reduce freedom with no gain?
We should both be quite content at the moment since we can both act according to what we believe is correct - that would seem to me to be a very happy state of affairs. I suggest we leave things the way they are.
| netgalorecafe wrote: |
| But give me five reasons to identify that your sin is bad enough to take that ritual suicide. |
And why exactly do you need those reasons? (And why five?) My religion says that it's the right thing to do. You have essentially two options. 1) Accept that my religion is just as valid as yours and that if my religion says that suicide is not only moral but necessary, then it must be so - in which case, you don't really need those reasons. 2) Assert that my religion is wrong (and that yours is right) - in which case you could use whatever reasons i give you to argue why.
So which is it?Suicide of course should be illegal. For in some reasons, why should we make it legal? Does it give gain/s for a person? Well, actually, doing thing such as this one gives us the ability to "sin" against ourselves and to God.
Deciding in these cases are very complicated. In asking a question, why do people suicide? An answer would be #1: Problem/s in family, health, religion, education, survival, or in general, LIFE.
These cases should be immediately consulted to the parents/relatives of the distressed/depressed person. For me, suicide should be illegal. Why? Because the persona does not give any importance to his/her needs and self.
For Christianity, these cases would end up in violating and disobeying the 5th commandment: Thou shall not kill (Especially your own life/other people's one perhaps).
| anonymous21 wrote: |
| Suicide of course should be illegal. For in some reasons, why should we make it legal? Does it give gain/s for a person? Well, actually, doing thing such as this one gives us the ability to "sin" against ourselves and to God. |
Only if you believe that to be the case...I don't.
As Indy points out that means you either say that your beliefs are superior to mine or you accept my beliefs. I suspect I know which will apply here.....
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Deciding in these cases are very complicated. In asking a question, why do people suicide? An answer would be #1: Problem/s in family, health, religion, education, survival, or in general, LIFE.
These cases should be immediately consulted to the parents/relatives of the distressed/depressed person. For me, suicide should be illegal. Why? Because the persona does not give any importance to his/her needs and self.
For Christianity, these cases would end up in violating and disobeying the 5th commandment: Thou shall not kill (Especially your own life/other people's one perhaps). |
I agree that help should be provided - absolutely. How does making it illegal help? As you seem to admit, it only helps Christians and I would argue that even that is mistaken. If a Christian is considering suicide are you seriously saying that the legal position is more important than other factors (such as the religious position)? Do you really think a committed Christian would be persuaded by the fact that they could be punished if their attempt failed ? | Indi wrote: |
| netgalorecafe wrote: | | But give me five reasons to identify that your sin is bad enough to take that ritual suicide. |
And why exactly do you need those reasons? (And why five?) My religion says that it's the right thing to do. You have essentially two options. 1) Accept that my religion is just as valid as yours and that if my religion says that suicide is not only moral but necessary, then it must be so - in which case, you don't really need those reasons. 2) Assert that my religion is wrong (and that yours is right) - in which case you could use whatever reasons i give you to argue why.
So which is it? |
Based on your answers, my reply is "NONE' out of your two options. If your religion says it is good then let it be. Your aguments are both false and not valid as answers to my query. | netgalorecafe wrote: |
| Indi wrote: | | netgalorecafe wrote: | | But give me five reasons to identify that your sin is bad enough to take that ritual suicide. |
And why exactly do you need those reasons? (And why five?) My religion says that it's the right thing to do. You have essentially two options. 1) Accept that my religion is just as valid as yours and that if my religion says that suicide is not only moral but necessary, then it must be so - in which case, you don't really need those reasons. 2) Assert that my religion is wrong (and that yours is right) - in which case you could use whatever reasons i give you to argue why.
So which is it? |
Based on your answers, my reply is "NONE' out of your two options. If your religion says it is good then let it be. Your aguments are both false and not valid as answers to my query. |
[If we analyse the factual and logical content here and paraphrase this in that light, what we get is: my opinion is important, yours is wrong, because I say so. Your arguments, based on faith, like my own, are not valid when compared to my own because I judge that to be the case].
I think you have answered the question exactly as I would have predicted.
Has it occurred to you that if your opinion is based on faith then there is nothing that could be said here which would be useful in changing that opinion. The only evidence you offer for your own opinions is un-testable, and based on faith, not logical reasoning or evidence. Does it not strike you that this is a rather weak position from which to cast judgement on the validity of other opinions, which have as much evidence, maybe more, supporting them as yours does?
I think your answer would have been much accurate and also much more 'reasonable' had it ended at word 24, rather than including the remaining 13 words.... | Bikerman wrote: |
[If we analyse the factual and logical content here and paraphrase this in that light, what we get is: my opinion is important, yours is wrong, because I say so. Your arguments, based on faith, like my own, are not valid when compared to my own because I judge that to be the case].
I think you have answered the question exactly as I would have predicted.
I think your answer would have been much accurate and also much more 'reasonable' had it ended at word 24, rather than including the remaining 13 words.... |
Thank God! You got my point. So I just say "thank you" | netgalorecafe wrote: |
| Thank God! You got my point. So I just say "thank you" |
It's a pretty weak point though. The argument 'I'm right because I say so' only works for thugs and dictators when used to justify oppression. It is morally defensible to use that argument when the subject is a child and the freedom in question is one which would harm the child if not repressed. We, as societies, allow this 'right to oppress', for parents/guardians of the young and carers for the mentally handicapped/challenged. We do this for one primary reason, and it is fairly universally accepted (I certainly accept it); the reason being that the subject is incapable of making rational decisions and may harm themselves if left to act alone.
(Even then we place limits-it cannot be used to justify child-abuse or other actions or behaviours which could be reasonably judged to be against the interests of the child/person in question).
What we are talking about here IS oppression - it is the removal of a persons rights to choose.
You advocate using the criminal law to punish someone for an action which is counter to your own view, based on your faith. The only reason you can provide, is that suicide is counter to your view, based on your faith. Your justification for the oppression, therefore, is religious and we have, therefore, an example of religious oppression.What to do with a suicidian if it's illegal? Lock him/her in? Yeah that would certainly help the person not to try again. (*ironic*)
Suicidians need help, not penalties!
Polis, I would like to personally thank you for proving yourself to be an ass...
It's called sarcasm, bro, which you apparently are familiar with, as you tried to be sarcastic toward me with your response...so you must just be a fool to not detect it in such an obvious form.
I don't think that suicide should be illegal, that would be absurbd.
I think suicide should be illegal because of the effect on those close to the deceased, such as if a mother kills herself and orphans a child it is selfish. I think that all suicide is selfish as if you have a problem, chances are someones had that problem before and resolved it without killing themself. Of course there are exceptions to this rule and I do believe euthanasia should be legal if the person concerned is terminally ill however suicide, in my opinion, is wrong.
| Indi wrote: |
| My religion says that it's the right thing to do. |
:s Which religion is this?
| spykE wrote: |
| I don't think that suicide should be illegal, that would be absurbd. |
Is that simply because you say so, this is hardly a convincing post. Care to back up your argument with and explanation? Isn't suicide being illegal a bit counter-productive? Unless you make it a federal offense punishable by death. Then they've served their sentence. But really... how does one arrest a corpse?
Attempt at suicide should not be illegal. Help should be given... not handcuffs.
euthanasia should be legal, i dont understand ppl who think it`s bad, if someone don`t want to live anymore it`s him choise 
| SoFly wrote: |
| euthanasia should be legal, i dont understand ppl who think it`s bad, if someone don`t want to live anymore it`s him choise |
I agree to an extent. It needs very rigid regulations, obviously. Kevorkian actually had it right. He would not administer euthanasia to ANYONE without first making certain they had appropriate discussions with mental health professionals and they had to be terminal. To me, though, euthanasia and suicide are two totally different things. Euthanasia is in regards to someone with a terminally ill disease. Yes. This should be legal. Suicide, well.. it's just kinda dumb to have that illegal. I guess that would be up to whatever deity the person follows to decide if that's illegal... since the person will be in the deity's court system at that time. | DivineConclave wrote: |
| SoFly wrote: | | euthanasia should be legal, i dont understand ppl who think it`s bad, if someone don`t want to live anymore it`s him choise |
I agree to an extent. It needs very rigid regulations, obviously. Kevorkian actually had it right. He would not administer euthanasia to ANYONE without first making certain they had appropriate discussions with mental health professionals and they had to be terminal. To me, though, euthanasia and suicide are two totally different things. Euthanasia is in regards to someone with a terminally ill disease. Yes. This should be legal. Suicide, well.. it's just kinda dumb to have that illegal. I guess that would be up to whatever deity the person follows to decide if that's illegal... since the person will be in the deity's court system at that time. |
Euthenasia and suicide are two different things anyway - one is killing of oneself and the other is killing of another person..... | Bikerman wrote: |
| DivineConclave wrote: | | SoFly wrote: | | euthanasia should be legal, i dont understand ppl who think it`s bad, if someone don`t want to live anymore it`s him choise |
I agree to an extent. It needs very rigid regulations, obviously. Kevorkian actually had it right. He would not administer euthanasia to ANYONE without first making certain they had appropriate discussions with mental health professionals and they had to be terminal. To me, though, euthanasia and suicide are two totally different things. Euthanasia is in regards to someone with a terminally ill disease. Yes. This should be legal. Suicide, well.. it's just kinda dumb to have that illegal. I guess that would be up to whatever deity the person follows to decide if that's illegal... since the person will be in the deity's court system at that time. |
Euthenasia and suicide are two different things anyway - one is killing of oneself and the other is killing of another person..... |
That could definitely be argued in the mainstream. Though the hand of death is by another person, it's by request of the individual. Therefore, it's through the will of the individual. | DivineConclave wrote: |
| That could definitely be argued in the mainstream. Though the hand of death is by another person, it's by request of the individual. Therefore, it's through the will of the individual. |
No - that is not necessarily the case. Euthanasia refers generally to 'mercy killing' but is not necessarily at the request of the individual.
The word comes from the greek - Eu (good) , Thanatos (death) so literally means 'good death'.
Suicide comes from the latin - Sui (of oneself), cide (killer) and so literally means 'one who kills themself. | rheanna wrote: |
| laurenrox wrote: | | rheanna wrote: | | If suicide was illegal then my x husband would be in jail..All they did was put him in the mental ward for a day.. Of course I was the blame for the attempt. |
I can see why. You're a bit cruel.
| Quote: | | Let them kill themselves...Less morons to deal with in this world. Like we need any more. |
Case and point above... |
I have a reason to be cruel..I worked my butt off for 10 yrs for him to take it all. LOL, he called me on the phone saying he was going kill himself and I was like "Don't Miss" ROFL! Needless to say he missed and costed me an extra 10k for the divorce..grrr. If he offed himself I would of saved more money. |
So you chose to apply the decisions of your husband, which you apparently deem stupid, to other people who commit/attempt suicide?
Just as a side note, I'd probably kill myself too if I had to put up with you day in and day out... >_<... Not to mention I'm sure you're just looking for attention. That kind of information is personal and no one would otherwise have a reason to post it on a publically readable website.
| natgalorecafe wrote: |
On my own opinion, it is ILEGAL in terms of beliefs and religion.
Why? Because taking your own life is against God's will and it is a mortal sin to take what God has created.
It is said that no one should ever take one's life other than God. It is a very good sign of disobeying our God and our creator. People who take this action has a very very poor faith in life and love, and most especially to God. This people also tends to be selfish enough not to mind others and look only to himself or herself. This people are always self centered and not Christ centered.
My only saying is "Don't give a poor a fish, Tech him how to Catch the fish"
which means, never join the person in deepression, join him in prayer with God.
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Well, I see a couple of problems here that haven't already been pointed out. The fact that not everyone believes in your religion already has been, so just consider this a simple reinstatement.
Second, do you really think God would punish someone for killing themselves if it was for the benefit of someone else? Or how about if you were being severly tortured and had no way of escaping?
And I know someone's going to say, "Oh that never happens," but the truth is that it does. Although it is an extreme case, shit like this happens. And for someone who deals with pain, day in and day out, for someone who is constantly depressed for whatever reason, then suicide is the best option that THEY can see. Granted, people like this should get help if suicide is attempted and (hopefully) failed.
Also, I don't think that family should be held responsible for suicide or attempted suicide unless the person who attempted/did kill themselves is underage, where the guardians are legally held responsible.
Last edited by laurenrox on Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:49 pm; edited 2 times in totalI think there are at least 2 issues here:
1) Whether suicide should be something covered by secular legislation
2) Whether suicide is in some way immoral, unethical or sinful regardless of such legislation or lack of..
Let's start with 1...
1) I see no reason for suicide to be an issue requiring legislation. Legislation is secular - in the sense that it is (supposedly) a-religious (it must apply fairly across faith, gender, colour and other groupings within the population) - and the only possible justification I can think of for such legislation would be either an attempt to deter suicide on sociological or practical grounds (such as a high rate of suicide impacting on available resources, for example), or a 'punishment' aimed primarily at providing counselling the survivor. The former is not warranted by current levels of suicide and the latter is best done, I think, outside the criminal law using social mechanisms - such as local authority medical and mental health provision, hospital out-patient group referral, voluntary associations/groups/support networks, and, yes, religious support and counselling in some cases.
The notion that a survivor of a suicide attempt (or the estate of a successful suicide) should be punished because the act itself is morally repugnant or socially unacceptable seems to me to be dependant on religious conviction. Legislating solely on religious grounds seems to me to be something which Western 'democracies' condemn other countries for - and I believe rightly (if sometimes hypocritically*). Generally current legislative systems in the West are based on English Common Law with some Roman Law thrown in (at least in the UK, US and a great many other countries)**.
*The UK still has blasphemy laws which is based entirely on the Church of England religion - it only recognises blasphemy against the C of E, not other faiths
**Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Bhutan, British Virgin Islands, Canada, Dominica, Fiji, Ghana, Myanmar, Grenada, Hong Kong, Republic of Ireland, Jamaica, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Nauru, New Zealand, Northern Ireland, Palau, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Uganda, United States
in my country, suicide is illegal. if someone did that, they have 2 options:
1 is go to jail
2 is go to hospital
going to jail if they still have normal thinking
going to hospital if they are crazy.
i see that most of the people agree that suicide should be legal...
it is irrelevant for the person committing suicide whether it is legal or not...(reason is clear i think)
but the whole point in discussing whether it should be made legal or not is
'whether the society we are living in considers it moral or not'
if ur society thinks its immoral, than most probably they will make it illegal.
Now for some points people have raised against suicide:
1. | Quote: |
'Because one's body is not only the house of himself, but also the house of many other living
beings' |
Well if u really care about other living beings in ur body, then don't go for vaccination or take medicines when u fall ill because it will be hurting some of those 'living beings'. I hope u got my point.
2. Some people consider it selfish as there may be some people dependent on the person committing suicide either financially or emotionally or otherwise.
But consider this if someone is even thinking of committing it, he in real pain. So by making him live who is being selfish here.
besides he may die due to natural causes or face some accident. In such situation, these people will be in the same state...
Thirdly, its his life!!! He has his reasons to do whatever he wants...
3. Some posts have opposed suicide by relating this issue to god and all after - life stuff...
i cant argue with that but i just want to say that all this stuff is just our belief and it is possible that its all just stories so why base your decisions on some theory!!!
Lastly my view is that 'Why only talk of suicide, people should be allowed to do anything they like if they are not hurting others. By hurting i only mean physically. There are many means by which people can get emotionally hurt like religious sentiments of people gets hurt every now and then. So it cant be clearly defined and relative. Our society should be more liberal'
