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Religion is just an excuse for reason.
Religion is just an excuse for reason.
Yes I do think so. We also can see this by the old Greece. Everything the couldn't explain the made a new god for.
Today's maybe another situation but I think some people are looking for a reason of their being and hope to find the answer in a religion.
What do you think?
Today's maybe another situation but I think some people are looking for a reason of their being and hope to find the answer in a religion.
What do you think?
| forgewolf wrote: |
| Religion is just an excuse for reason. |
At least try to offer your own opinions. This could easily be considered spam.
But anyways...you are saying that all of religion is just excuses to explain what we can't understand. Okay, so since the entire Christian faith is based on Jesus's teachings, what are we trying to understand with our "excuses"? We don't understand what he meant after he died? No, I think twelve fully-grown men can understand the words of one person, even if Jesus was intelligent way beyond the average.
The ancient Greeks used different Gods to explain things as they went along in life. Christianity says that all of God's laws were stated in one day, on Mt. Sinai. Plus, unlike the Greeks, our religion has lated over 2000 years. We have to know something...
Yes, some people are finding religion as their answer to a lot of their problems because ultimately religion IS the answer to all of their problems.
God bless
,
Pampoon
I completely agree with pampoon. Someone who says that religion is an excuse for reason maybe dont understand what faith is or maybe is talking about superstition which is a form of hollow religion.
| forgewolf wrote: |
| Religion is just an excuse for reason. |
I don't understand the question. What do you mean "an excuse for reason"? The question is so vague it could mean many things, from "reason" as in logic and reason to "reason" as in a reason for existence.
Please elaborate.
I agree. Religion is quite pointless.
This topic is very broad according to the thinking and reasoning of the mind. I considered this as SPAM because it was posted just to have topic to talk about but for no purpose of learning or something.
the biggest excuse to disconnect your brain's instinctive function to discard totally unreasonable things, is to me the theory of evolution. If I read about it without questioning it, I guess it sounds fine and that it could be true. But whenever I try to think about the consequences of it, for example that our complex bodies with all their organs, were evolved from some kind of combination of super small mutations in our DNA, in small steps changing us, and natural selection, my brain's reason steps in and says HECK NO, that doesnt just add up and make sense!
| LimpFish wrote: |
| the biggest excuse to disconnect your brain's instinctive function to discard totally unreasonable things, is to me the theory of evolution. If I read about it without questioning it, I guess it sounds fine and that it could be true. But whenever I try to think about the consequences of it, for example that our complex bodies with all their organs, were evolved from some kind of combination of super small mutations in our DNA, in small steps changing us, and natural selection, my brain's reason steps in and says HECK NO, that doesnt just add up and make sense! |
That is a shame. The basic picture you paint is fairly accurate so it's not the usual problem of complete misunderstanding...perhaps the problem is time-scale - you have to allow for a HUGE time-scale and that doesn't easily fit into our brains...
Nobody should simple accept evolution on faith - that is daft. It is, though, worth taking the views of experts in the field into account and reading informed comment on the subject, as with any other area of study. I therefore recommend the following sources for you to explore and question further....
http://www.biology-online.org/tutorials/2_genetics_evolution.htm
http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridley/tutorials/
http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridley/toc.asphttp://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/default.htm
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/evol.fs.html
http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridley/toc.asp
Religion exist for a reason. To me, religion mean a set of rules, guideline, teaching, life philosophy. And also, it is also a place where I can seek peace and guidance whenever I need.
Human are weak by nature and we need a support. A support far from the human era and this is where Religion come into place. It provide the support where human being is constantly seeking, it provide answers to the issues that are unexplainable by science and logic. It gave hopes and strength to people who believe in it. This is actually our mental power but to unleash it, we need something that our human mind can rely on and believe in.
With this, how can it be an excuse for reason? Anyway, it is up to individual belief.
Human are weak by nature and we need a support. A support far from the human era and this is where Religion come into place. It provide the support where human being is constantly seeking, it provide answers to the issues that are unexplainable by science and logic. It gave hopes and strength to people who believe in it. This is actually our mental power but to unleash it, we need something that our human mind can rely on and believe in.
With this, how can it be an excuse for reason? Anyway, it is up to individual belief.
| Seanwang wrote: |
| Religion exist for a reason. To me, religion mean a set of rules, guideline, teaching, life philosophy. And also, it is also a place where I can seek peace and guidance whenever I need. |
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| Human are weak by nature and we need a support. A support far from the human era and this is where Religion come into place. |
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| It provide the support where human being is constantly seeking, it provide answers to the issues that are unexplainable by science and logic. It gave hopes and strength to people who believe in it. This is actually our mental power but to unleash it, we need something that our human mind can rely on and believe in. |
Now, which questions are these that you say religion provides answers to and that science is unable to? Just list a few. I'll start you off with "The meaning of life", but only on condition that you in return allow the possibility that the answers provided by religion might possibly be wrong.
Can you give me, say, five other questions? Tell you what....I'll settle for 3.
Whilst you think, I'll provide you with a list in return. These are questions which religions has answered in the past but, thankfully, were either squashed flat by science, or dropped for some other reason. Just off the top of my head.....
How old is the Earth? What shape is it? When was it formed? How did it form? How long did that take? What caused it? How did mankind get here? How long have we been here? Where did we come from ? When was that? What are those lights we see in the sky? How long have they been around? Where did they come from? How far away are they? How long will they last? How long will we last? How will the Earth end? What will cause it? Can we do anything? Should we hate people of different beliefs? Should we kill them? Is that woman a Witch? Should we burn her?
I can easily go on for a while yet, if you like, but I'll pause there so that you can give me your list and we can then compare.......
Lastly, you say religion gives people power and strength? I say no. People give the churches power and strength, for sure. Religion can possibly provide a means which enables a person to channel or focus their own power and strength, that I would probably agree with. The problem with that however, is that exactly the same can be said for voodoo, spiritualism, certain narcotic substances, or even chunks of crystal.
The power comes from within the person themselves, not from some external source. All that faith can do is allow the person to focus and apply their own internal resources and strengths, and whilst I am not saying that is necessarily a bad thing in itself, it is no different in that respect to Voodoo, spiritualism and the rest And if we accept that this is so, then why stop here? Why is religion any different to any other system which focusses a person on a problem - perhaps Horoscopes or maybe the I-Ching, or why not Fung-Shuey?
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| With this, how can it be an excuse for reason? Anyway, it is up to individual belief. |
Hi Bikerman... I am sorry to see such a big reaction from you. I can see that all your stuff directed to church. I really thankful for your rebute but I hope you can see the picture of what is a true religion instead of just pin pointing to what you think it is and what you see it is from the current situation or what happen in the past. It is rather one sided. First of all, I would like to clarify that I am not a religious person, I am neither a christian nor any similar. What I voice out is what I feel it is and is purely a individual view. To me, science and religion are the same if both of the true path are followed (if you do not know, you may ask me again).
Check on the dictionary on what religion mean first before you spoke. I do see you point and do not deny your claim. But I do hope you would see the whole picture and I believe that you will somehow change your opinion. For the word religion,it can meant alot of things, and SCIENCE can even become a religion in some day depending on how people describe/view/think of it. It might sound insane to you but if you view it in the more open manner, you might understand what I meant. It seem hard to accept but please, I urge you to be more open and less extreme (from the way you wrote) in giving judgement and on arguement. Reflection: how many teaching, philosophy, ideas, belief or practises has turn into religion over the years. Is that so hard to understand? Imagine 200 years later and people start worshipping science. Start turning famous sciencist to their god and live in their sciencific doctine. Follow the law of physics and live like a robot. It is possible. I believe there is a science theory on EVOLUTION and this might come true as part and puzzle of evolution too? who knows? It might just evolute that way and the whole era are replace with a new religion called SCIENCE? Insane? Crazy? Look at how history evolve and you know it can be true.
Next, I also must state that the strength and power of what religion gave people is mind. No matter how bad a religion is to you, it still gave others the hope. It might be a flaw to you but look at the numbers of people it save. It might be manipulating people mind but think of how much hopes it gave others? Human are weak and they seek for answer. Religion come into place... and this is too for science (the alternative), something that gave answer, something that gave power. If you believe in science, it gave you a undiscover sense of power. It might exist in confident, determination, etc. Remember, "Religion exist for a reason. To me, religion mean a set of rules, guideline, teaching, life philosophy. And also, it is also a place where I can seek peace and guidance whenever I need. ", it is how you look at it.
I am rather open in term of thoughts and opinion. Do let me know if there are any correction for me. However, if you are targetting at a particular case or religion and unable to accept any comments or view, PLEASE do not reply this and neither do I entertain pure arguement which is meaningless. I am not here to uphold any justification for any religion nor science. I am here just purely for sharing of opinions and thoughts. I do appreciate a more in-dept discussion of such issues instead of pure arguements which is simply waste of time.
<<Discussion on religion is interesting, but sensitive>>
Check on the dictionary on what religion mean first before you spoke. I do see you point and do not deny your claim. But I do hope you would see the whole picture and I believe that you will somehow change your opinion. For the word religion,it can meant alot of things, and SCIENCE can even become a religion in some day depending on how people describe/view/think of it. It might sound insane to you but if you view it in the more open manner, you might understand what I meant. It seem hard to accept but please, I urge you to be more open and less extreme (from the way you wrote) in giving judgement and on arguement. Reflection: how many teaching, philosophy, ideas, belief or practises has turn into religion over the years. Is that so hard to understand? Imagine 200 years later and people start worshipping science. Start turning famous sciencist to their god and live in their sciencific doctine. Follow the law of physics and live like a robot. It is possible. I believe there is a science theory on EVOLUTION and this might come true as part and puzzle of evolution too? who knows? It might just evolute that way and the whole era are replace with a new religion called SCIENCE? Insane? Crazy? Look at how history evolve and you know it can be true.
Next, I also must state that the strength and power of what religion gave people is mind. No matter how bad a religion is to you, it still gave others the hope. It might be a flaw to you but look at the numbers of people it save. It might be manipulating people mind but think of how much hopes it gave others? Human are weak and they seek for answer. Religion come into place... and this is too for science (the alternative), something that gave answer, something that gave power. If you believe in science, it gave you a undiscover sense of power. It might exist in confident, determination, etc. Remember, "Religion exist for a reason. To me, religion mean a set of rules, guideline, teaching, life philosophy. And also, it is also a place where I can seek peace and guidance whenever I need. ", it is how you look at it.
I am rather open in term of thoughts and opinion. Do let me know if there are any correction for me. However, if you are targetting at a particular case or religion and unable to accept any comments or view, PLEASE do not reply this and neither do I entertain pure arguement which is meaningless. I am not here to uphold any justification for any religion nor science. I am here just purely for sharing of opinions and thoughts. I do appreciate a more in-dept discussion of such issues instead of pure arguements which is simply waste of time.
<<Discussion on religion is interesting, but sensitive>>
| Seanwang wrote: |
| Hi Bikerman... I am sorry to see such a big reaction from you. I can see that all your stuff directed to church. I really thankful for your rebute but I hope you can see the picture of what is a true religion instead of just pin pointing to what you think it is and what you see it is from the current situation or what happen in the past. It is rather one sided. First of all, I would like to clarify that I am not a religious person, I am neither a christian nor any similar. What I voice out is what I feel it is and is purely a individual view. To me, science and religion are the same if both of the true path are followed (if you do not know, you may ask me again). |
I didn't pin point anything - the list I gave was genuinely off the top of my head. If I had wanted to pinpoint things the list would have been far longer and I would have had a proper 'go', rather than this rather moderate and uncontroversial posting, which was intended only as a thought-provoker.
It is largely factual and not a personal manifesto or statement so I don't accept that it was either particularly unfair or even particularly new.
The statement that science and religion are the same thing is, I'm sorry to have to say, quite ridiculous and logically indefensible. I am also pretty sure that religious adherents would find it so.
Science has no 'true path' and the notion of such a thing is contrary to the basic principles of science, since it implies prejudgement, emotional involvement and a host of other undesirables like censorship/control etc etc.
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| Check on the dictionary on what religion mean first before you spoke. |
Here's one right off the top of my head again...
religion is a set of beliefs and/or practices held by a community which usually, though not necessarily, includes ritual/mythological elements, is organised around a central cannon, dogma or scripture, and normally involves elements of mysticism. It most often contains a creation myth and the concept of a deity or creator, though this is not necessarily a requirement.
How's that?
OK - now why don't you define science for me ?
I'll come to the rest later...
Science and religion are to very different things. Science can never become religion since science is the experimenting and coming to nre theories and PROVING that they are right. The important part of science is PROVING and the important part of religion is BELIEVING WITHOUT PROOFS.
No theory without proofs is considered as true in science. It's a different thing in religion.
No theory without proofs is considered as true in science. It's a different thing in religion.
| catscratches wrote: |
| Science and religion are to very different things. Science can never become religion since science is the experimenting and coming to nre theories and PROVING that they are right. The important part of science is PROVING and the important part of religion is BELIEVING WITHOUT PROOFS.
No theory without proofs is considered as true in science. It's a different thing in religion. |
Can I suggest my recent posting What is Science might be useful in understanding why this picture is not quite correct.
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