I have quite a few friends that are suicidal, and the newest trend going around, emoism, seems to mainly focus on comitting suicide, granted, that is not the exact basis of emoism, but all of my emo friend cut themselves and are suicidal.
Oddly, tthe reasons for most people being suicidal seem completely unreasonable and non-logical to most. Kurt Cobain was rich, famous, had a family, the only problem most people had known about him was his drug problem; Heroin. Heroin was also used by Hitlor, he commit suicide. Now, also my ex-girlfriend has social issues and she's depressed. My best friend has social problems and he's suicidal.
What are most reasons that you think most people are suicidal?
And, do you believe that if someone brags about being suicidal, that they will actually commit suicide?
Depression can be caused by many things. Ok sometimes the reason IS illogical and people may use depression to try and gain attention when their friends try to help them. I think its pointless everyone trying to be the same *type* of person e.g. an "emo" because everyone is unique and different.
| Lobo23 wrote: |
I have quite a few friends that are suicidal, and the newest trend going around, emoism, seems to mainly focus on comitting suicide, granted, that is not the exact basis of emoism, but all of my emo friend cut themselves and are suicidal.
Oddly, tthe reasons for most people being suicidal seem completely unreasonable and non-logical to most. Kurt Cobain was rich, famous, had a family, the only problem most people had known about him was his drug problem; Heroin. Heroin was also used by Hitlor, he commit suicide. Now, also my ex-girlfriend has social issues and she's depressed. My best friend has social problems and he's suicidal.
What are most reasons that you think most people are suicidal?
And, do you believe that if someone brags about being suicidal, that they will actually commit suicide? |
peace be upon you.
Many people suffer depression of some sorts at one point in time. The problem is that quite alot of these people either don't have someone to talk to, or refuse to talk to. Depression itself can be triggered by many different things. One person, i know, was depressed as his father left him and his mother as a child. Another, was once depressed from small but many problems. One by abuse. The point is, depression can be triggered by many things.
What one must do, is help someone suffering it, get through that lonely and down period of their life. The depressed person might need someone close, like a friend, to share their problems with. Or maybe they want someone completely detached, who they can share their problems with; e.g. someone from the net who they do not know and have no fear of meeting.
As for sucide, some depressed people come close, but cannot get round to it. The most they will get far to is cutting. However in odd case, there may be someone who could be capable of ending their own life.
In almost all cases, simply talking to, and getting the depressed to spill ALL their problems, really helps them.
Listen to the song "how to save a life" by 'the fray'.
Lobo23, if you want me to talk to some depressed people, and try to help them, i'd very happy to help. Just PM me for my msn/email address.
may God bless you. | Lobo23 wrote: |
And, do you believe that if someone brags about being suicidal, that they will actually commit suicide? |
^I do rather detest those who say they will commit suicide, but do not. Or, even worse, those that try, but fail (There are plenty of methods that are more certain of success than taking overdoses of random OTC medications or slitting one's wrists the wrong way).
As for whether they will or not, I don't remember where I heard this but,
Men who say they're going to commit suicide actually do so 9 out of 10 times, while women do so 1 out of 10 times. So the gender of the person might be a good indicator of whether they're serious or just crying for help.
(That's just what I've heard, and I'm to lazy to verify it, so don't accuse me of sexism, if you can disprove this with real statistics, please do so and educate me.)Being depressed and being able to commit a suicide is not as same as it seems to be. I've heard that to actually commit a suicide, one should be in a less sad and apathetic state of mind. On the contrary, most suicides happen when a person becomes calm and in some way determined. The way they judged it was analyzing the music people would listen to. Sad, lyrical songs are frequently chosen by depressed people, but before suicide more tend to listen to something more energetic, something that inspires you to do something rather than stare into the window, watch the rain and think of your useless life.
Emoism, imo, is nothing but one more trend. If it's considered stylish to be sad and write/speak stuff about suicides, they do, but 50% or even more don't even take into consideration what they're thinking of.
Suicidals tend to be rightside-brains... Or left handed (same cause).
It seems like the few I know that did suicide was rightside dominate brains... They are into music or art or so (typicall for rightside brain).
So be leftbrains (more into logic thinkings)
To commit suicide, in my eyes at least. You have to come to the point where death seems better than life. Suicidal people just need to be convinced that life is better. I wish I could tell you more on that, but that's really all the advice I can give.
suicide is a joke, its such a waste of time, why bother killing yourself when your dying anyway.
| Yantaal wrote: |
| suicide is a joke, its such a waste of time, why bother killing yourself when your dying anyway. |
Speed things up a little.
Hey, what if death really is better than life?
In that case, suicide is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. | ocalhoun wrote: |
| Yantaal wrote: | | suicide is a joke, its such a waste of time, why bother killing yourself when your dying anyway. |
Speed things up a little.
Hey, what if death really is better than life?
In that case, suicide is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. |
Well, that could have problems if you're religious. Like, for example, the Catholic Church being against assisted suicide. But if you think about it, if suicide wasn't expressly condemned, and Catholics believe death in heaven is better than life, than everyone would be comitting suicide to get to heaven... Although I probably missed a step with the logic there...People that talk about suiciding should never be ignored.
Try to listen to them~to their problems and help them.
[quote=wombatrpgs]ocalhoun wrote:
Yantaal wrote:
suicide is a joke, its such a waste of time, why bother killing yourself when your dying anyway.
Speed things up a little.
Hey, what if death really is better than life?
In that case, suicide is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
Well, that could have problems if you're religious. Like, for example, the Catholic Church being against assisted suicide. But if you think about it, if suicide wasn't expressly condemned, and Catholics believe death in heaven is better than life, than everyone would be comitting suicide to get to heaven... Although I probably missed a step with the logic there...[/quote]
Well, then according to the catholics, a baby has no sins>logic>
So, when your child is born babdise it, and then kill it. You will go to hell, but the child will 100% go to heaven.
Hey, why don't we get a new profession like "child heavener" who will kill babies so that they will go to heaven straight ahead...
Life IS better than death~Forget it
why commit suicide? life is supposed to be lived, not to be thrown away just cause depression. i my religion (Christianity), i takes GOOD deeds tp get to heaven. oh, and people are sucidal because of drugs and depression. i really dont care/konw how they get depressed, but if they become sucidal, thats not good (i know its not very detailed, im still 10-15, and im not telling exact age)
lobo23 said:Kurt Cobain was rich, famous, had a family, the only problem most people had known about him was his drug problem; Heroin.
Corney Love killed him. she forced him to take it. 
If your life is so bad, then make it good. Twist your problems to your advantage and give yourself the upper hand. We live in a capitalistic society - take advantage of it. Don't have life fit you, make life fit you.
People that want to commit suicide fall into roughly these categories:
1. To keep one's honor, as in the practice of Sepakku (or Hara-Kiri as you probably know it, though the term is disrespectful) in Japan
2. To prevent the enemy from killing you so they can never have the ability to take you out themselves, as Hitler and Himmler did.
3. To stop emotional pain of some sort that could possibly be remidied by the advice above. This would be the equivalent of what an emo would commit suicide over.
4. To stop physical pain of some sort, as the patients of "Dr. Death" had did.
5. A combination of 3 and 4, like those who lost all their money in the stock market at the start of the Great Depression.
Anybody that says that they're going to heaven by killing themselves is wrong in old testament based religions. If you kill yourself, you'd be commiting a sin, and you would probably go to hell, or not if hell does not in fact exist in these types of religions.
Statistically speaking, more women attempt suicide than men, but more men actually go through with it. A lot of times, it is for attention, but one can never be too cautious.
Suicide is a tricky thing.
And, come to find out, it's illegal!
At any rate, make an effort to reach out to the person. If they refuse help from you, try and get them help. Serious or not, it's not a light issue.
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2. To prevent the enemy from killing you so they can never have the ability to take you out themselves, as Hitler and Himmler did.
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That reminded me... Along wtih Hitler and Himmler, Goebbels also comitted suicide with his wife... and administered cyanide to their six children. Not sure if that's really for reason number 2, I guess you could count it as a mercy killing, read somewhere the mother didn't want them to live with the shame... But is that some sort of self-pitying act, as some sort of "I've lost the war so now I'll lose my children" kind of thing?
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Anybody that says that they're going to heaven by killing themselves is wrong in old testament based religions. If you kill yourself, you'd be commiting a sin, and you would probably go to hell, or not if hell does not in fact exist in these types of religions.
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Yeah, that's what I thought... Unless its for maybe reason one or something... But anyway, does that prevent you from rationalizing ferocious acts such as murderring babies to send them 'back to heaven' after baptism.
Or its related to something like I said about the Goebbels children and you murder an infant in a situation where its life will be horrrible... Like some reasons for abortions. Interesting... | ocalhoun wrote: |
| In that case, suicide is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. |
Man, you are the LAST person this guy wants talking to his suicidal friend and girlfriend.
Suicide is not better than living. It is an act of violence that will leave one stuck in a time loop, reenacting the violent act over and over again. It is like some sci-fi nightmare where the catastrophe happens over and over again. I don’t even believe in physician assisted euthanasia. If it comes to that, just take drugs. They give them out like candy for the dying. That is much better than committing an act of self-violence that leaves one stuck in a time loop in Hell.
Committing suicide is like living the movie Groundhog Day, in Hell (where Bill Murray wakes up every day in a rural isolated town that he despises at first). In the after death planes it leaves you stuck over and over repeated the greatest moment of anguish in your life, followed by the pathetic sorrowful realization afterwards of just exactly what kind of Hell you have stepped into.It's not everyone who brags about suicide that will actually commit suicide. But every one bragging about such a thing NEED to be watched. We cannot say who are just bragging from those who are completely serious about it.
It's very sad that many of your friends think about suicide. I'm astonished in fact that it almost seems a "fashion"!
Usually, when a person commits suicide for a reason (let's say their boy/girlfriend splits with them), we often think (we=non-suicidal people) that they could have lived with this with no problem. But what we don't know, is that suicidal people often think about suicides for months or years before committing the act. And they only need some trigger to kill themselves... and it's that trigger that we often find illogical.
I think people who suffer depression are those who aren't used to fight; that is, they are people who were used as a child to receive everything they wanted. When they grow up, they find out that life isn't like that, and they find it hard. I've ever rarely heard of a homeless person killing themselves, they are used to "having it hard".
On the other hand, we often hear about commulsive gamers who lost everything trying to have easy money, or rich people who have got everything they want except happiness....
The key to living is happiness, and one should find what makes them happy to live.
I used to be really suicidal. Definitely influenced by the fact that my best fren did commit suicide and also my bro ODed. Slashing my wrists and stuff were nothing uncommon. Actually life was screwed up really bad about three years ago but then I finally made some choices and also met my GF who kinda helped me through the whole process and now I can look at those days as something of my past not my present and definitely not my future.
Yes, I agree that depression can be caused by many things.. sometimes, the reason is illogical.. but sometimes.. not always... sometimes it could just be anger, frustration of not having something you've always wanted, or perhaps not being given what you've always wanted... People have somewhat the same kinda reasons to commit murder as they do to commit suicide....
I mean, for example.. if someone loves a person, but that person is in love with someone else, then tell me how is it anyone's fault? Some idiotic romantics believe that if they can't get their love, they won't let others get their love either.. reason for a murder... and some people just think that their life is a waste without the person they love.. reason for a suicide...
I just can't seem to figure out why people can't simply get on with their lives.. I too have made many mistakes in my life.. and although I'm too young to think of it, I used to think of suicide a lot of times, anyway.... But I wasn't as cowardly as some to just commit suicide..
Harry Potter fans, bet you remember what Dumbledore used to say... You have to learn to differentiate between what is right and what is easy..
Wow, we have a lot of interesting replies now don't we here? (Sorry I've been away and unable to respond)
My thoughts on suicide are as follows.
Emo people are either completely stereotypical and want to be cool, rebel, or outcasts. And then there are the real emo people who believe in sensetivity over certain logics, these are the ones who normally do commit suicide. Cutting is not a natural thing that people do, nor is it logical or intelligent to cut. To die from bleeding to death would probably be horrible, feel odd, burn like hell, and even worse yet; you might live through it. People don't naturally cut themselves because they want to die, people cut themselves because it is a learned behavior and they want to see what it's like, or feel like it is the right thing to do because... well... "Everybody's doing it".
Logical suicidal thoughts normally include trying to get away, questioning reality, insanity, pain, emotinal pain, or some other misc. reason. Life isn't perfect, never has been, most likely never will be, and most people either can't or don't want to deal with it, these people believe they have the choice to end their life since they don't have to deal with it. Part of the the lyrics to one of my favorite songs, Survive by Rise Against, go "'so life for you has been less than kind, so take a number, stand in line. We've all been sorry, we've all been hurt, but how we survive, that's what makes us who we are" . That song seems to be very true in my opinion.
Drugs really, really mess people up in the head, no matter what it is. Anything that will alter your conscious thought pattern may make you suicidal if used ove r along period of time, or just kill you if you overdose. Drugs are not good unless you already wanted to die. 
Suicide happens, a lot of people are for it, most of which are very logical and don't take emotion into the matter, others are super philosophical and think of nothing but emotion.
I started this discussion because I wanted to know every one else's opinions, and now I see some differ greatly from my own, others don't at all.
I suffer from depression, and have since I was about 3 years old. I'm not dead. Thought I will say that for the past six years or so, not one week has gone by without atleast one thought of comitting suicide. I've been alive this long though, so I doubt I ever will kill myself. I think that life will just take its course and one day I'm going to die anyway. 
Real suicide happens because one has rebelled against God and believes there is no forgiveness. Fake suicide occurs because one is in dispare, a victim of some demon. To truly be trapped in the time loop I speak of is to be the culprit of so many deaths, as so many vampire princess are… But was their death truly unworthy? Are there not those who cry out for death? Death by cop, death by warrior priestess, it is much the same.
I ask not now about who you have killed, but who you worship? Do you still prostrate yourself too the good?
Sorry for the obtuse message, that was too someone(s) in particular (a small group I know, but more pointedly at a subset of them).
If we don't know what comes with death, and we'll die anyways, then there's always a reason to keep living, as there will always be better times.
| Jaan wrote: |
| If we don't know what comes with death, and we'll die anyways, then there's always a reason to keep living, as there will always be better times. |
The answer to reasons for dying for love lost... Too all men, if you wish to die for love that is the most pathetic thing there is. Too all women if you wish to die because father was abusive too you... there is always a fatherly man that you can find here that will help you through your travail. Professor X knows what you have been through and will not ask more of you than to find your true love, whomever that is too be.
