I've seen these Alien things from TV, radio, pictures, newspapers, etc.
Just curious what you guys thinking about it. Have any of you guys seen them for real ?
Do you think this is one of US top secret? And of course are there really area 51?
Take a look at this: http://atinyglimpse.ytmnd.com/
Do you think in this huge universe there aren't aliens? I believe that god made us but I still think there's something out there. But really if there are aliens, I don't think they are killers like in the movies, maybe they are nice and friendly... I agree. The universe is so unimaginably huge that there must be at least some other form of intelligent life out there. However, even if there were aliens in other galaxies, we might never know, due to our limited knowledge of space and space travel.
I don't think it is a matter of belief but rather our lack of evidence. Its not totally incredible but I can't imagine contact.
Interesting books about contact with alien intelligence is Stanislaw Lem's "Solaris" (1961) and even more insightful "Fiasco" (1986, trans. 1987).
Of course I do believe in aliens; I am an alien !
I believe that they exist somewhere out there. If there friendly or not i dont know, but i dont expect to meet them anytime soon anyway
I think they exist, although looking totally different from what we can imagine.
I believe that it probably exists other lifeforms in other parts of the universe but I don't think that they have to be carbon based.
I don't believe in aliens in the way many movies shows them. Why would a lifeform become green with pearshaped heads and huge black eyes?
| Jakob [JaWGames] wrote: |
I believe that it probably exists other lifeforms in other parts of the universe but I don't think that they have to be carbon based.
I don't believe in aliens in the way many movies shows them. Why would a life form become green with pear shaped heads and huge black eyes? |
Very simple answer. The reason why aliens always have that look in the movie is because they were captured by people in the US long time ago.
I've read some of it in the books when I was young. The books display pictures of the aliens that people had captured. The aliens exactly have that look!.
However it still arguing through out the world if the pictures are real or not.
For me, it looks pretty real to me.
The books also said that the aliens, well all of them was transform to clay or mud after 15 minutes being outside on the earth.
I will go and look around for those books in my parents' house, hope I can find it to show you guys. It's been a long time since I was kid and I'm not really sure if I can find them.
Wish me good luck 
| nappa wrote: |
| Jakob [JaWGames] wrote: | I believe that it probably exists other lifeforms in other parts of the universe but I don't think that they have to be carbon based.
I don't believe in aliens in the way many movies shows them. Why would a life form become green with pear shaped heads and huge black eyes? |
Very simple answer. The reason why aliens always have that look in the movie is because they were captured by people in the US long time ago.
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So you do seriously believe in green things which has been captured by USA? 
No nappa, I can almost assure you that USA not have captured weird green men and some kind of ship which looks like a disc. The whole green-man thing is with a big probability something build by us humans.
Sorry if that sounded rude, who knows, I may have wrong?nappa, just cause something is said in a book, that doesn't means real.
The government is not hiding aliens. There isn't any evidence that aliens have ever even visited the earth.
they exist,but we should find the way.
| Jakob [JaWGames] wrote: |
| nappa wrote: | | Jakob [JaWGames] wrote: | I believe that it probably exists other lifeforms in other parts of the universe but I don't think that they have to be carbon based.
I don't believe in aliens in the way many movies shows them. Why would a life form become green with pear shaped heads and huge black eyes? |
Very simple answer. The reason why aliens always have that look in the movie is because they were captured by people in the US long time ago.
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So you do seriously believe in green things which has been captured by USA?
No nappa, I can almost assure you that USA not have captured weird green men and some kind of ship which looks like a disc. The whole green-man thing is with a big probability something build by us humans.
Sorry if that sounded rude, who knows, I may have wrong? |
hahaha no, I'm not seriously believe in green things which has been captured by USA.
If I'm so sure about it why would I posted it here. I just said I've seen it and the book was somewhere in my parents house. That's all.
This is the open question with no answer anyway, just wanna know what you guys think. | hereme wrote: |
| they exist,but we should find the way. |
the way to do what? marry them? 
| nappa wrote: |
| Jakob [JaWGames] wrote: | | nappa wrote: | | Jakob [JaWGames] wrote: | I believe that it probably exists other lifeforms in other parts of the universe but I don't think that they have to be carbon based.
I don't believe in aliens in the way many movies shows them. Why would a life form become green with pear shaped heads and huge black eyes? |
Very simple answer. The reason why aliens always have that look in the movie is because they were captured by people in the US long time ago.
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So you do seriously believe in green things which has been captured by USA?
No nappa, I can almost assure you that USA not have captured weird green men and some kind of ship which looks like a disc. The whole green-man thing is with a big probability something build by us humans.
Sorry if that sounded rude, who knows, I may have wrong? |
hahaha no, I'm not seriously believe in green things which has been captured by USA.
If I'm so sure about it why would I posted it here. I just said I've seen it and the book was somewhere in my parents house. That's all.
This is the open question with no answer anyway, just wanna know what you guys think. |
Aah, sorry, I misunderstood you 
We put it like this: In my opinion it is a very low probability that those things are correct with the reality. I think there is, probably not green and with 5 eyes. But space in unlimited, how can we say that there's no other life in it than us?
So checking this probability thinking....
If the space is so large it's like infinite or very close, then the probability is most certatin 100% that smart life exist out there...
Hm, so have they gotten here? I must say that mankind is so stupid that the most smart ones are (must be) smarter than us... well, just by watching us they must think we are so stupid... Do they intend to travel here, to 'dumb-land', by free will? Hm, well If they could they must have been here for a long long time... even it it takes some time some of us would travel to another planet, so they must have...
So I guess we are a bit infiltrated then? or? Can't be since we are still so stupid... or... Are there here to help? Or is this atlantis take 2 ???
| spinout wrote: |
So checking this probability thinking....
If the space is so large it's like infinite or very close, then the probability is most certatin 100% that smart life exist out there...
Hm, so have they gotten here? I must say that mankind is so stupid that the most smart ones are (must be) smarter than us... well, just by watching us they must think we are so stupid... Do they intend to travel here, to 'dumb-land', by free will? Hm, well If they could they must have been here for a long long time... even it it takes some time some of us would travel to another planet, so they must have...
So I guess we are a bit infiltrated then? or? Can't be since we are still so stupid... or... Are there here to help? Or is this atlantis take 2 ??? |
Universe is not infinite but it's a good point that it probably exists some kind of intelligent lifeforms other that us in the universe.
I don't believe that some kind of aliens have infiltrated earth. The highest possible speed to travel in universe is as you probably know the speed of light. If you want to get faster between two points you have to use some other kind of way to travel like wormholes and I find it quite unlikely that a civilization have existed long enough to develope this in our chaotic universe.
But another interesting thought is, if there exist intelligent lifeforms in space, must they be carbon-based oxygen-breathing like us or are they built in some other way? In a way we can't imagine?I do believe there are oxygen(to an extent at least) breathing aliens somewhere in space. I don't believe we've ever contacted and I don't believe that they are that intelligent. ie some sort of more primitive animal probably.
Evidence of alien lifeforms may be in the bible, if the bible holds any credibility or accuracy that is. Back in that time beings would come from the heavens surrounded by bright light. In that time humans couldn't comprehend what this thing was so a reasonable thing to call it would be a God or an angel. Strange that so many sepperated races of people would all have religions that were based around these kind of beings that would come from the sky. If you were to look at this logically, the conclusion would be that they were alien life forms.
Ummm.. were talking about science not religon. Doesn't hold any credibility with me cause I'm athiest. Sorry for any of you hardcore Religon people.
Anyway, of course there is alien life. Heck, they say there may be even in freaking Jupiter. Bugs only of course but that is still life. Hell there are millions and billions of planets that are probably better suited to hold life then Earth. We just have to find them. Problem is were going to waste all our resources and die before we can get good enough technology to actually do this in my view.
If there are aliens why would they look @ us? If they can travel over light years or over time why would they let us look at them?
It's like us looking at something under a microscope. If they are advanced enough to get here they probably be advanced enough not to be seen. The other possibility is that they want to be seen and are playing with our minds. They are probably laughing at us and making some sort of alien jokes.
If someone did find one. I'm sure they would have sold it on e-bay by now. You can find everything else.
Today who ever finds anything would sell the movie wrights, write a book and sell small pieces or the blankets that covered them on e-bay.
Evidence is key. The same goes with Yettie (sp?) etc.
I suppose the area of Alians and UFO's uncertain. Some people strongly believe they are out there and even seen or touched them. Other's would say there is now chance and we are alone in the universe.
Well, my opinion stems from the lack of tangible evidence. I "believe" there is a possiblitly of life somewhere outside of Earth, but I'm not going to try and convience anyone that there are alians or not. Besides on such an ambigious topic I think the word "believe" is important to remember.
I think we are not the only ones in the universe.
According to NASA's pictures taken on Mars, I believe so.
Maybe Aliens are lurking on other planets that NASA can't be bothered visiting..
| nappa wrote: |
I've seen these Alien things from TV, radio, pictures, newspapers, etc.
Just curious what you guys thinking about it. Have any of you guys seen them for real ?
Do you think this is one of US top secret? And of course are there really area 51? |
Aliens may be there but i cant agree with u. Moreover area 51 is in USA. It cant be that alins dont visit other countries or other parts of the world | socialoutcast wrote: |
I suppose the area of Aliens and UFO's uncertain. Some people strongly believe they are out there and even seen or touched them. Other's would say there is now chance and we are alone in the universe.
Well, my opinion stems from the lack of tangible evidence. I "believe" there is a possibility of life somewhere outside of Earth, but I'm not going to try and convience anyone that there are alians or not. Besides on such an ambigious topic I think the word "believe" is important to remember. |
I do believe in the possibility of alien life. I was just commenting about the likelihood of us seeing them or them letting us see them visiting our planet. You know those little grey guys. If there is life I can be as rudimentary as bacteria or viruses. | DRXX wrote: |
| Maybe Aliens are lurking on other planets that NASA can't be bothered visiting.. |
NASA puts much research into their projects. They don't wake up in the morning and think "Let's go explore Saturn!" or "Let's go explore some planet extremely far away that'll take us millions of years to reach with our current technology!" - Yep - You're a genius.
In an infinitely sized universe like this, I find it hard to image that there aren't aliens. I don't believe that aliens go around "probing" people, though.
| Sabe wrote: |
| If there are aliens why would they look @ us? |
Why do we study nomadic tribes?
| Tekanubis wrote: |
| I do believe there are oxygen(to an extent at least) breathing aliens somewhere in space. I don't believe we've ever contacted and I don't believe that they are that intelligent. ie some sort of more primitive animal probably. |
Actually, I'm positive there are aliens more intellegent then us. "More primitive animal"? Take out the "More" and you can sum up our entire race in that phrase, in my opinion. We discriminate against each other, we hate each other, we kill each other, we fight each other.. Some "primitive" tribes are more advanced then us, in my opinion.
Anyway.. Look at Bondings.. He's an alien! Aliens. Aren't we all aliens? Do i know you? Do you know me? Are we speaking the same language? Are we of the same status? Are we from the same country? I think this alien thing is being blown out of portion. Who cares if there are any aliens outside when we are killing ourselves mentally and physically on Earth?? Aliens would be scared of us rather than we scared of them! If aliens do exist, i do hope that they can help us to settle our problems here on Earth. And maybe we can also help to settle their problems if any on their planet.
Let me start of by saying,"Hello Aliens! Welcome to Earth! Now, are you rich? Or are you white/grey/blue? Are you dangerous?? Cuz we sure are glad if you could help!"
| Hogwarts wrote: |
| DRXX wrote: | | Maybe Aliens are lurking on other planets that NASA can't be bothered visiting.. |
NASA puts much research into their projects. They don't wake up in the morning and think "Let's go explore Saturn!" or "Let's go explore some planet extremely far away that'll take us millions of years to reach with our current technology!" - Yep - You're a genius.
In an infinitely sized universe like this, I find it hard to image that there aren't aliens. I don't believe that aliens go around "probing" people, though.
| Sabe wrote: | | If there are aliens why would they look @ us? |
Why do we study nomadic tribes?
| Tekanubis wrote: | | I do believe there are oxygen(to an extent at least) breathing aliens somewhere in space. I don't believe we've ever contacted and I don't believe that they are that intelligent. ie some sort of more primitive animal probably. |
Actually, I'm positive there are aliens more intellegent then us. "More primitive animal"? Take out the "More" and you can sum up our entire race in that phrase, in my opinion. We discriminate against each other, we hate each other, we kill each other, we fight each other.. Some "primitive" tribes are more advanced then us, in my opinion.
Anyway.. Look at Bondings.. He's an alien! |
There are one thing I'm always curious. Why people always think that aliens are smarter than us? Just a question though. Is it because of the movie or is it because of what?I think that alliens are a good way to make money by entertaining people. I like very much alliens pictures but think not any one is approximately true. It is like that old futurist pictures with flying cars in the year 2000. Think the little green man is a nice logo. If alliens exist it wont be as we imagine.
| nappa wrote: |
There are one thing I'm always curious. Why people always think that aliens are smarter than us? Just a question though. Is it because of the movie or is it because of what? |
Well, if aliens have the technology to travel many light years to get here, then they must be smarter than us. Though not necessarily more intelligent.
What I don't like is the idea that aliens would be more peaceful than us. The idea being that if they are violent they would have destroyed them selves. But we humans are violent and we are still hear and we have only used nuclear weapons n anger twice and never again (theres a point where a weapon gets too powerful and people just don't use it.).I think if we consider parasite or some kind of very small living, then there are aliens out there on the moon and other planets. If heard that they found some kinds of those small parasite on some planets.
I think H2O is what most needed in term of life. Therefore if there are H2O then there will be plants and that leads to some other living creature.
Water and plants!
| nappa wrote: |
| There are one thing I'm always curious. Why people always think that aliens are smarter than us? Just a question though. Is it because of the movie or is it because of what? |
Firstly: If they can make it to our planet, they're most likely smarter then us.
Secondly: If there are aliens in the universe, there would almost definitely not only be one type. Seeing as the universe is infinite, there is quite possibly billions of different types of alien-inhabited-planets. There's a one in a million chance that we're the smartest. Go figure.I believe in aliens.
I don't believe they come on earth in their spaceships.
The so-called UFO's are secret human prototypes according to me.
I think it's possible, basically anything is, but extremely unlikely. The second Earth-like planet they found does increase the likelihood, but the odds that life would develop are incredibly small.
Yes, of course.
1 time, somehow, I had the 'Top Secret' book from the Area 51 of US.
Actually it was an ebook with everything desctibed about aliens and UFOs.
But, due to some fault, my PC for formatt and since then, I didn't found that e-book anywhere.
But, yes. I really had that book and so I believe that Area 51 is having some aliens secrets in it.
| Dalv87 wrote: |
| The second Earth-like planet they found does increase the likelihood, but the odds that life would develop are incredibly small. |
Actually we don't know if the planet that was found is earth like. We know that its the right size and distance from its star but the rest we don't know. It could be like mars, it could be like Venus.I think that there may be life on other planets but just microbes if anything. No green monsters and the like.
Here's an interesting article about extreme microbes that can live at really hot or cold temps and make a living off rocks and other harsh conditions.
Microbes are awesome! Of course aliens exist. I have no idea what they look like or where they are, but it's almost inconceivable that we're the only one's out there.
| Sharpie wrote: |
| Ummm.. were talking about science not religon. Doesn't hold any credibility with me cause I'm athiest. |
Thats a pretty narrowminded view. Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't certain events written about in the bible been proved to have happened?
Back when written language was being created and "perfected", what would you really have of interest to write about? The answer would be phenomenons people have observed. It only makes sense that if your understanding was the earth is flat and you had no comprehention of there being anything more than stars and a moon in the sky then if you were to witness strange lights and beings coming from the sky, you would make a name for them.
Since a beleif in beings coming down from the heavens is widespread among many cultures who had never come in contact with each other, is it not possible that alien life forms have at one time visited or at least flew over earth and that the people back then recorded the phenomenon in written language calling them Gods or angels?
Just for the record, I don't beleive in a God. My previous post was far from a religious statement, infact most religious people might take offense to what I suggested.I think there definitely are aliens in the space.
The universe is gigantic. It's highly unlikely that there isn't a planet which is similar to the earth and contains simple livings.
However, I don't think aliens will ever reach the earth.
First of all, there is no earth-like planet in millions and millions of lightyears. Even if we traveled with light-speed, it would last like 100 years before they reach us or we reach them.
Secondly, I think it's highly unlikely that these aliens are developped enough to ever contact us.
So my opinion is: There are aliens, but they will never reach the earth in any way.
| nappa wrote: |
I've seen these Alien things from TV, radio, pictures, newspapers, etc.
Just curious what you guys thinking about it. Have any of you guys seen them for real ?
Do you think this is one of US top secret? And of course are there really area 51? |
I'm making a game...like I know aliens on a planet with twice as much more gravity than Earth's would be robust, but I need some concepts. In theory do most dominant species tend to be hominids? (Covenant Elites, humans, T-rexes, etc. 2 arms, 2 legs) | The Conspirator wrote: |
| nappa wrote: |
There are one thing I'm always curious. Why people always think that aliens are smarter than us? Just a question though. Is it because of the movie or is it because of what? |
Well, if aliens have the technology to travel many light years to get here, then they must be smarter than us. Though not necessarily more intelligent.
What I don't like is the idea that aliens would be more peaceful than us. The idea being that if they are violent they would have destroyed them selves. But we humans are violent and we are still hear and we have only used nuclear weapons n anger twice and never again (theres a point where a weapon gets too powerful and people just don't use it.). |
You have to realize that many of those type of movies are full of metaphorical situations, ie. smart people really don't buy into the "lets pretend aliens are smarter than us" crap. Those movies are primarily designed for the public to show them that humans can do better. Secondly if you were a terrorist that wanted to commit suicide, why not use a nuke and kill everybody? If you are the terrorist I strongly suggest that you try to make the world a perfect place before annihilating it. The universe doesn't have that many life sustaining planets. | EanofAthenasPrime wrote: |
| The Conspirator wrote: | | nappa wrote: |
There are one thing I'm always curious. Why people always think that aliens are smarter than us? Just a question though. Is it because of the movie or is it because of what? |
Well, if aliens have the technology to travel many light years to get here, then they must be smarter than us. Though not necessarily more intelligent.
What I don't like is the idea that aliens would be more peaceful than us. The idea being that if they are violent they would have destroyed them selves. But we humans are violent and we are still hear and we have only used nuclear weapons n anger twice and never again (theres a point where a weapon gets too powerful and people just don't use it.). |
You have to realize that many of those type of movies are full of metaphorical situations, ie. smart people really don't buy into the "lets pretend aliens are smarter than us" crap. Those movies are primarily designed for the public to show them that humans can do better. Secondly if you were a terrorist that wanted to commit suicide, why not use a nuke and kill everybody? If you are the terrorist I strongly suggest that you try to make the world a perfect place before annihilating it. The universe doesn't have that many life sustaining planets. |
1. I didn't mention any movies.
2. Terrorism comes into this where? | nappa wrote: |
| There are one thing I'm always curious. Why people always think that aliens are smarter than us? Just a question though. Is it because of the movie or is it because of what? |
If an alien race actually did come to visit us, we would have to assume their technology is more advanced than ours. It is highly improbable that any intelligent life exists on other planets in the Solar system, and the obstacles to traveling between stars are daunting enough to us that we cannot reasonably expect we will travel to another star system in the next few centuries.
There is no inherent reason why beings from another place would be more advanced than us, but if they travel here they have demonstrated skills and persistence beyond what the human race currently has. | The Conspirator wrote: |
| EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | | The Conspirator wrote: | | nappa wrote: |
There are one thing I'm always curious. Why people always think that aliens are smarter than us? Just a question though. Is it because of the movie or is it because of what? |
Well, if aliens have the technology to travel many light years to get here, then they must be smarter than us. Though not necessarily more intelligent.
What I don't like is the idea that aliens would be more peaceful than us. The idea being that if they are violent they would have destroyed them selves. But we humans are violent and we are still hear and we have only used nuclear weapons n anger twice and never again (theres a point where a weapon gets too powerful and people just don't use it.). |
You have to realize that many of those type of movies are full of metaphorical situations, ie. smart people really don't buy into the "lets pretend aliens are smarter than us" crap. Those movies are primarily designed for the public to show them that humans can do better. Secondly if you were a terrorist that wanted to commit suicide, why not use a nuke and kill everybody? If you are the terrorist I strongly suggest that you try to make the world a perfect place before annihilating it. The universe doesn't have that many life sustaining planets. |
1. I didn't mention any movies.
2. Terrorism comes into this where? |
He said nukes will never again be used. | EanofAthenasPrime wrote: |
| The Conspirator wrote: | | EanofAthenasPrime wrote: | | The Conspirator wrote: | | nappa wrote: |
There are one thing I'm always curious. Why people always think that aliens are smarter than us? Just a question though. Is it because of the movie or is it because of what? |
Well, if aliens have the technology to travel many light years to get here, then they must be smarter than us. Though not necessarily more intelligent.
What I don't like is the idea that aliens would be more peaceful than us. The idea being that if they are violent they would have destroyed them selves. But we humans are violent and we are still hear and we have only used nuclear weapons n anger twice and never again (theres a point where a weapon gets too powerful and people just don't use it.). |
You have to realize that many of those type of movies are full of metaphorical situations, ie. smart people really don't buy into the "lets pretend aliens are smarter than us" crap. Those movies are primarily designed for the public to show them that humans can do better. Secondly if you were a terrorist that wanted to commit suicide, why not use a nuke and kill everybody? If you are the terrorist I strongly suggest that you try to make the world a perfect place before annihilating it. The universe doesn't have that many life sustaining planets. |
1. I didn't mention any movies.
2. Terrorism comes into this where? |
He said nukes will never again be used. |
I didn't say they would never be used again,I pointed out that they where used twice during the same war when they where new and not sense. Plus, too destroy the world, civilisation, humanity with nuclear weapons you would need a global nuclear war. A single or a few nukes are not enough. In other words to wipe out humanity (or any other intelligent species at, near or above our level of technology) you would need a situation like the height of the cold war if it had went hot. Even then that wouldn't unnecessary men the end of humanity, yes in the country's treacly involved (USA Soviet Union, Britten, France, Germany, China and so on) but in the rest of the would people would be killed off by nuclear winter and humans could have (if it had happened) patently survived it (though in the tens (and possible hundreds) of thousands but thats enough for humanity to survive and after a few thousand years reinvent all that had been lost and surpas it.Actually it only takes one nuke to end all life on Earth
Even the most powerfull nuke ever made is far from being that powerfull.
I think that it is probable that other life exist in the universe because considering it's size it's possible that the conditions needed for life exist somewhere else that on earth.
but of course I don't think that if life exists somewhere else:
- it will be "human like" (all the aliens in movies are looking more or less like humans, that doesn't make sense)
- they are able to contact us, because they are too far away.
So anyway it doesn't change anything so basically I don't bother.
| The Conspirator wrote: |
| Even the most powerfull nuke ever made is far from being that powerfull. |
Actually 1 nuke could destroy our atmosphere and the sun would burn us to a crisp.
Secondly in movies aliens look like humans cuz
1. Low funding
2. Low creativity
2. On earth dominant species are always hominids (T-rex, humans)A fan of Planet of the Apes 2?
No. The most powerful nuke ever made was a few megatons, more than enough power to destroy the largest of city's and cause millions to get cancer and millions of birth defects but to wipe out humanity you would need a millions of megatons and you can not destroy the atmosphere.
hmmm....maybe I should go on wikepedia a research this...I'll type in "Could nukes destroy Earth?"
Yes, with the countless amount of galaxies/planets out there, it's hard to believe that this was the only planet to develop life. So I do believe that aliens might exist, farther or nearer that we might know. Our solar system is so small (nine planets) that judging this subject from these nine alone doesn't make much sense.
| nappa wrote: |
I think H2O is what most needed in term of life. Therefore if there are H2O then there will be plants and that leads to some other living creature.
Water and plants! |
See, this is what I can't accept when I get on this subject with friends or whatever. Is water and/or oxygen REALLY necessary for there to be life anywhere?
Sure, Earth developed in a way that all living beings need these two elements to live, but that's because there are plenty of both everywhere on our planet, so the living beings of Earth don't have to bother with producing these themselves within our bodies, and we can instead get them from the outside.
Now think about this...
On another far away planet, why can't there be living beings that breathe sulfur, for instance? Sulfur is considered toxic to us, but is it hard to imagine that another race that's nowhere near Earth would need it to live? If that planet's atmosphere was rich in sulfur, it'd only make sense. And why not any other element, which may or may not be found on Earth? Better yet, would it be odd to imagine that they don't need to breathe at all and their bodies can manage all the elements needed for them to live?
Consider the huge variety of life forms on Earth. You cannot compare a human to a tree, or a whale to a spider. There are millions of life forms on our planet alone. Why is it that these "aliens" would forcibly be humanoid? They could be large squids... They might be like nothing we've ever seen before... And they may or may not be smarter that us, and they may or may not be able to speak. Even if they'd have the technology to travel billions of light years and visit our planet, BUT their knowledge would be limited to that, would that really mean that they're smarter than us? | CMA wrote: |
Yes, with the countless amount of galaxies/planets out there, it's hard to believe that this was the only planet to develop life. So I do believe that aliens might exist, farther or nearer that we might know. Our solar system is so small (nine planets) that judging this subject from these nine alone doesn't make much sense.
| nappa wrote: | I think H2O is what most needed in term of life. Therefore if there are H2O then there will be plants and that leads to some other living creature.
Water and plants! |
See, this is what I can't accept when I get on this subject with friends or whatever. Is water and/or oxygen REALLY necessary for there to be life anywhere?
Sure, Earth developed in a way that all living beings need these two elements to live, but that's because there are plenty of both everywhere on our planet, so the living beings of Earth don't have to bother with producing these themselves within our bodies, and we can instead get them from the outside.
Now think about this...
On another far away planet, why can't there be living beings that breathe sulfur, for instance? Sulfur is considered toxic to us, but is it hard to imagine that another race that's nowhere near Earth would need it to live? If that planet's atmosphere was rich in sulfur, it'd only make sense. And why not any other element, which may or may not be found on Earth? Better yet, would it be odd to imagine that they don't need to breathe at all and their bodies can manage all the elements needed for them to live?
Consider the huge variety of life forms on Earth. You cannot compare a human to a tree, or a whale to a spider. There are millions of life forms on our planet alone. Why is it that these "aliens" would forcibly be humanoid? They could be large squids... They might be like nothing we've ever seen before... And they may or may not be smarter that us, and they may or may not be able to speak. Even if they'd have the technology to travel billions of light years and visit our planet, BUT their knowledge would be limited to that, would that really mean that they're smarter than us? |
If the living things are not built with H2O or any carbon components then builf with what? I'm just curious. Yeah I think there are some other sources too, but don't know what they are since living things in this world normally have H2O and carbon.I believe that something has already visited this planet - may still be visiting - and will continue to do so.
Whatever it is, whether it's alien, inter-dimensional, or time-traveller is open to serious speculation. Either it hides itself extremely well, or proof of its existence is only available to the most powerful of humans.
I don't believe that it is any threat to us - and it may even have helped us develop to where we are now.
If its purpose is benign its existence will become common knowledge when we are ready at cultural, religious and technological levels. If its purpose is control it will never make itself known other than to those it needs to control humanity.
If its purpose is benign our development of interstellar and intergalactic space travel will be allowed to develop at our own pace with, perhaps, some nudging in the right directions. If its purpose is control it will sabotage and destroy our attempts for many hundreds - possibly thousands - of years.
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I believe that something has already visited this planet - may still be visiting - and will continue to do so.
Whatever it is, whether it's alien, inter-dimensional, or time-traveller is open to serious speculation. Either it hides itself extremely well, or proof of its existence is only available to the most powerful of humans.
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He he that is funny. Why do you believe so? Do you just believe because you don't see anything?
It remembers me a story about pink elephants (but it can work with aliens as well)
One guy says to an other: I have invented a powder against the pink elephants.
The other guy replies: but there are not pink elephants!
Then the first guy: you see it works !I think this way because there has, for generations, been hints. There has, also, been a lot of deception on both sides of the 'do they exist' argument. On the whole, though, I think that given the size of the universe the existence of none-Earth intelligent life is far more probable than improbable.
I think that it would be highly presumptuous to believe that we are entirely alone in the universe. It's extremely likely, in such a vast universe, that many civilisations have existed, currently exist, and will exist that far exceed our current capabilities as far as interstellar and intergalactic space travel (or perhaps even time travel) are concerned.
It does not necessarily require a vastly superior intellect to achieve these things - what it does require is willpower, incentive, time and patience. Few people thought, just 100 years ago, that space travel was anything other than a work of fiction. What can we achieve in the next 1000 years? Yet, surprisingly, Modern Man's IQ is little different to that of Stone Age Man.
Mass extinction of the dinosaurs was a chance event that gave mammals a world in which to evolve. If that chance event had not occurred it's likely that life on Earth would be vastly different to what we now experience. Some dinosaurs were already - at that time - living in groups and cooperating with each other. Would they have started using tools, building permanent homes instead of nests, started bartering food, teaching their offspring, wanting their offspring to live a better life than they did ... ? Who knows - but it certainly seems that something would have taken the lead. Lucky for us it was us (eventually)!
What have other none-Earth civilisations achieved in the millennia they may have had available to them?
I certainly hope aliens exists, because if they don't then my implants must be government issued...
I don't like that idea.....
if you like aliens check out my aliens and oddities: http://www.koz.frih.net/ALIENZ/Alienz.html
I think it's rather likely if they do exist they aren't more intelligent than us,
or even As intelligent. That always bothers me in movies, like with Starship Troopers...
Intelligent BUGS? chya....and flying pigs. | GSIS wrote: |
I think this way because there has, for generations, been hints. There has, also, been a lot of deception on both sides of the 'do they exist' argument. On the whole, though, I think that given the size of the universe the existence of none-Earth intelligent life is far more probable than improbable.
I think that it would be highly presumptuous to believe that we are entirely alone in the universe. It's extremely likely, in such a vast universe, that many civilisations have existed, currently exist, and will exist that far exceed our current capabilities as far as interstellar and intergalactic space travel (or perhaps even time travel) are concerned.
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I agree that considering the size of the universe it is possible that there is life somewhere else, but I don't agree about that "they" are visiting us.
Because still considering the size of the universe, it is very very unlikely that they could end up here, because first they should have the technology to do it and then they will have to come to Earth that is nothing in this big universe. So why come here, there should be much more interesting things to do.well in a huge universe why cant there be alien life forms that can travel through space and time....or galaxy alone can potentially have many inteligent lifeforms...but no one will ever believe it (some people would be badly hurt if there are more then one life form 
coughreligioncough ) For me aliens are somewhere in the universe. But the universe is so big that the change we will meet an alien is little. The universe has no borders everybody says. Of course is the change they meet us to little.
But for me they exist.
I beleave that it can be life on other planets but not like those in films. not likely anyhow. more like something that are like plants but more fluid.
Anybody who thinks that Earth is the only planet in the universe to have developed intelligent life is deluding themselves. No matter how pessimistic you may be you must be able to see that the shear size of the universe means that the chances of there being only 1 planet to support life is extremely small.
It's a bit like the Loch Ness monster - some people are adamant it exists, some scoff at the very thought. But nobody knows for sure. And it is unlikely that we will ever be really sure. Unless it is found it will never be disproved to everyones satisfaction - even draining the Loch will just result in people saying it must have escaped through the tunnels into the sea.
The same is true with aliens - it is relatively easy to prove (if contact is made for example) but it will never be disproved. Never ever.
It takes someone with a very big ego to declare that we are the only intelligent species, or even that we are the most intelligent. We don't even know of all the species on our own planet, much less in our own solar system and certainly not on any others.
As to whether they live among us then try thinking what we would do if we had the technology to mingle with a more 'primitive' species? We'd be in straight away and try and enslave them. I feel sorry for any 'aliens' that we discover that are less advanced than us cos they won't stand a chance against human nature.
David.
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It takes someone with a very big ego to declare that we are the only intelligent species, or even that we are the most intelligent. We don't even know of all the species on our own planet, much less in our own solar system and certainly not on any others.
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Yes but maybe we can think that any specy that has reached a certain level of intelligence will be lead to auto-destruction. One of the reason is that a specy that is to smart will not have predators and that may lead to destruction. (I don't mean that is is absolutely true but it is an hypothesis to consider)
Just to illustrate what I say even if it is not exactly the same case, there was an interesting experiment with rats:
if you put a number of rats in a large case with food, they will be OK and then start to reproduce. After some time the population has grown, so there is less food per animal and less space, so they start to become more agressive. At a certain point the population is too high and then the rats are starting to kill each other.
But the interesting point is that even when the population has reached again a normal level because many rats were killed they continue to kill each other, until finally nobody's left. | fx-trading-education wrote: |
| powers1983 wrote: |
It takes someone with a very big ego to declare that we are the only intelligent species, or even that we are the most intelligent. We don't even know of all the species on our own planet, much less in our own solar system and certainly not on any others.
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Yes but maybe we can think that any specy that has reached a certain level of intelligence will be lead to auto-destruction. One of the reason is that a specy that is to smart will not have predators and that may lead to destruction. (I don't mean that is is absolutely true but it is an hypothesis to consider)
Just to illustrate what I say even if it is not exactly the same case, there was an interesting experiment with rats:
if you put a number of rats in a large case with food, they will be OK and then start to reproduce. After some time the population has grown, so there is less food per animal and less space, so they start to become more agressive. At a certain point the population is too high and then the rats are starting to kill each other.
But the interesting point is that even when the population has reached again a normal level because many rats were killed they continue to kill each other, until finally nobody's left. |
Why must a certain level of intelligence lead to self-destruction? Even with your rat experiment, if the rats could travel to expand their lands and food supplies then they would have continued to thrive. True that once a species starts to self destruct they keep doing so - I would guess because if you are in a war it is very hard to stop and step back and think, ok I've done enough now, I can let them live.
I disagree that an advanced species must destroy itself. Once humans learn to colonise other planets I think that our chances of killing ourselves is decreased, not increased. It will only be when we continue to grow in numbers in an increasingly confined space that we will end up potentially fighting. Watch the flashpoints over the coming years and increasingly it will be because of scarce natural resources and not due to technological advancement.
David.well i believe that somthing is out there cus the universe is big and that we cant be the onliest planet with a civilised lifeform cus then we would be the onliest lifeform to get a look at the hole galaxy
and if aliens werent out there we would have a lot of meaningles films 
and some people are claiming to have seen them
i myself thinks i have seen a alien or a ghost in my kitchen when i hat to pie in the night
and i dont think area 51 is a alien institute or hat yuo wanna call it it hink its a thing amerika has made up to seem more interesting kindof like when they said there were nuclea bombs in irak but none was found | powers1983 wrote: |
| fx-trading-education wrote: | | powers1983 wrote: |
It takes someone with a very big ego to declare that we are the only intelligent species, or even that we are the most intelligent. We don't even know of all the species on our own planet, much less in our own solar system and certainly not on any others.
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Yes but maybe we can think that any specy that has reached a certain level of intelligence will be lead to auto-destruction. One of the reason is that a specy that is to smart will not have predators and that may lead to destruction. (I don't mean that is is absolutely true but it is an hypothesis to consider)
Just to illustrate what I say even if it is not exactly the same case, there was an interesting experiment with rats:
if you put a number of rats in a large case with food, they will be OK and then start to reproduce. After some time the population has grown, so there is less food per animal and less space, so they start to become more agressive. At a certain point the population is too high and then the rats are starting to kill each other.
But the interesting point is that even when the population has reached again a normal level because many rats were killed they continue to kill each other, until finally nobody's left. |
Why must a certain level of intelligence lead to self-destruction? Even with your rat experiment, if the rats could travel to expand their lands and food supplies then they would have continued to thrive. True that once a species starts to self destruct they keep doing so - I would guess because if you are in a war it is very hard to stop and step back and think, ok I've done enough now, I can let them live.
I disagree that an advanced species must destroy itself. Once humans learn to colonise other planets I think that our chances of killing ourselves is decreased, not increased. It will only be when we continue to grow in numbers in an increasingly confined space that we will end up potentially fighting. Watch the flashpoints over the coming years and increasingly it will be because of scarce natural resources and not due to technological advancement.
David. |
I understand your point. Mine was an hypothesis but as I said it was not sure.
In your explanation there are also some "if" and "when".
An issue could be that usually (if there are not too many epidemic diseases) the population will grow geometrically, but I am afraid that the intelligence doesn't grow geometrically, so it may be a race: will you have enough time to find a solution before it is too late. And even if you colonise new territories it is difficult to expand at the same speed than the population grows.
Anyway we cannot answer because there is not an well know threshold where we can say: now it is too much.Well I think there is life somewhere in the universe besides us.. it is just unlikely that life just occurs on one planet of the billions that are out there. But I don't think they look any thing like the "aliens" our modern media dreams of.
I think there is no intelligent life in the Solar system except perhaps for Earth, where one or two individuals might qualify i believe that as the size of our universe is currently immeasurably large,
the possibility that we are the only complex life in the universe to me is totally unimaginable
even though the probability of life existing in the same form as us is infinitely small
i think that the size of the universe almost necessitates some form of life to exist somewhere
out there in the great abyss of space
I do believe that Aliens do most likely exist.Have I seen one? No I have not but that does not mean they dont exist.There are so many other galaxies in space that I doubt we will ever know if they do exist or not.Alot of the so called "sightings" I am not sure if I believe it because there are so many people out there just paraniod or just want to make some money or even mess with people.So unless I see it with my own eyes or is geniuine evidence Ill keep my opinion at Maybe.
you can only imagine that other intelligent life think about the same thing that we are at this very moment Statistically speaking, the chance of there being some form of alien life in the universe is 100%. There are predicted to be billions of 'goldilocks zone' planets (not too hot, not too cold). and given that there has been billions of years for life to evolve on any of them, it is highly unlikely that some form of life hasnt come about.
However, the chances of highly evolved intelligent life... the jury is out on that one.
Well, I really doubt that we're the only ones out there, so yes I do believe in Aliens.
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| Of course aliens exist. I have no idea what they look like or where they are, but it's almost inconceivable that we're the only one's out there. |
I have proof that life exists at least somewhere in Outer Space. We are here aren't we?Some people say we have aliens among us but they must be very good at covering their tracks. I don't know if there is intelligent life in the Solar System although the search continues on Earth but so far theres been no sign 
I think there may be creatures like humans or other stuff like on Earth. No demon killers that fly in ships (unless their technology is that enhanced...)
may be there are...who knows...but i think space is too big for humans...
Sure there are aliens. Not these "E.T" Aliens but maybe simple bacteria.
The Universe is soooooooooooooooooo big, so i don't believe, that we're the only living creatures.
But i dont think these aliens have ships with warengine(star trek) or hyperdrive (stargate).
Thats simply Sci-Fi and nothing more or less.
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| powers1983 wrote: |
It takes someone with a very big ego to declare that we are the only intelligent species, or even that we are the most intelligent. We don't even know of all the species on our own planet, much less in our own solar system and certainly not on any others.
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Yes but maybe we can think that any specy that has reached a certain level of intelligence will be lead to auto-destruction. One of the reason is that a specy that is to smart will not have predators and that may lead to destruction. (I don't mean that is is absolutely true but it is an hypothesis to consider)
Just to illustrate what I say even if it is not exactly the same case, there was an interesting experiment with rats:
if you put a number of rats in a large case with food, they will be OK and then start to reproduce. After some time the population has grown, so there is less food per animal and less space, so they start to become more agressive. At a certain point the population is too high and then the rats are starting to kill each other.
But the interesting point is that even when the population has reached again a normal level because many rats were killed they continue to kill each other, until finally nobody's left. |
the revenge motifThe law of averages says that there are probably alien intelligences out there somewhere. However, the size of the universe and the problems with spanning the distances also says that it's unlikely that we'll ever encounter them in the lifetime of our species. Unfortunate.
aliens?only some people saw them really..maybe..so i don´t believe in aliens..
I believe in extraterrestrials, surely... it's both arrogant to think, and statistically improbable, that Earth is the only planet with life in the universe. That's not to say that I believe aliens have visited Earth... those are different concepts 
I could really imagine of some creatures in the universe. But I mean simple life forms, like bacterias. The higher the lifeform the less the chance they exist, I think.
But if there are intelligent "aliens" with hight tech and maybe spaceships, scientifically it doesn't look like that they ever visit us. The distances are just too far. But shure we could send messages. It would take long for every answer and every message has to be translated.
So let me give all of you, who really believe in aliens, an advice: don't wait for that day "they" are landing. They are not coming.
The universe is so big that it scares me if we would be the only ones in it.
I believe in extraterestrial life, there must be a habitable planet somewhere with alien beeings.
I'm not going to declare they exist and I don't really believe in anything until there's good evidence, but I believe it's possible. The burden of proof, however, lies in the hands of those who declare they exist, because until it is shown, it cannot be stated other life exists. I think there's a chance other life exists...the universe is incredibly huge based on our understanding. The question is, is that life very similar to life on this planet? There are so many basic founding principles of life on Earth that it leads me to believe there's not many places that can support the life we know. That's not to say they can't exist though
So, no, I don't believe they exist at the moment, but I don't think it's impossible for other life to exist I'll wait for proof then make my final judgment. im not believe in aliens.... i believe if there come and i see my to eyes
There has to be something else in the universe besides us. Yes, maybe our solar system was one out of a infinite possibilities that formed our universe, but considering how big our universe is, there is bound to be someplace else in it somewhere where life also exists, whether it be humanoid or not.
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| There has to be something else in the universe besides us. Yes, maybe our solar system was one out of a infinite possibilities that formed our universe, but considering how big our universe is, there is bound to be someplace else in it somewhere where life also exists, whether it be humanoid or not. |
You can't really make a declaration like that -.-I believe that somewhere could exist some sort of life but I don’t believe when I hear some people say on TV or in newspaper that they sow aliens… I won’t believe in it until I see it with my own eyes. And even then I would first think it’s something else and try to find another explanation. I don’t believe they come to Earth.
I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me that they are here now, but it is extremely unlikely for Earth to be the only planet in the entire universe with life. The US government has been known to test their most classified aircraft at Groom Lake (Area 51), such as the U-2, SR-71, and F-117. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a new plane that is classified. However, it would be hard to "sneak in". Even the SR-71 and B-2 can be seen on radar under certain circumstances, and in one incident a British vessel detected F-117's ~150-200 miles away while they were bombing Baghdad (Though the act of opening the bomb bay doors would expose a large amount of material to radars).
Conclusion: They likely exist, but likely not here and now, and likely not as we think they will.
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Anybody who thinks that Earth is the only planet in the universe to have developed intelligent life is deluding themselves. No matter how pessimistic you may be you must be able to see that the shear size of the universe means that the chances of there being only 1 planet to support life is extremely small.
It's a bit like the Loch Ness monster - some people are adamant it exists, some scoff at the very thought. But nobody knows for sure. And it is unlikely that we will ever be really sure. Unless it is found it will never be disproved to everyones satisfaction - even draining the Loch will just result in people saying it must have escaped through the tunnels into the sea.
The same is true with aliens - it is relatively easy to prove (if contact is made for example) but it will never be disproved. Never ever.
It takes someone with a very big ego to declare that we are the only intelligent species, or even that we are the most intelligent. We don't even know of all the species on our own planet, much less in our own solar system and certainly not on any others.
As to whether they live among us then try thinking what we would do if we had the technology to mingle with a more 'primitive' species? We'd be in straight away and try and enslave them. I feel sorry for any 'aliens' that we discover that are less advanced than us cos they won't stand a chance against human nature.
David. |
It takes someone with an extremely large imagination to declare something scientifically exists without a single shrapnel of evidence.my friend has seen them and photographed their shuttle... i know him very well and he doesnt lie anyway.... i insisted on him to tell about them but he refused...
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| my friend has seen them and photographed their shuttle... i know him very well and he doesnt lie anyway.... i insisted on him to tell about them but he refused... |
lmao yes there's an area 51. I don't know if I believe about aliens or not honestly. I believe in ghosts & I believe in demons since I've seen somebody possessed by one with my own eyes on the last day of a bible camp I attended once. But aliens I'm not completely convinced. Area 51 is more of a military thing in my opinion.
| roboguyspacedude wrote: |
| There has to be something else in the universe besides us. Yes, maybe our solar system was one out of a infinite possibilities that formed our universe, but considering how big our universe is, there is bound to be someplace else in it somewhere where life also exists, whether it be humanoid or not. |
A reasonable assumption.
The problem is that most people have no idea of the scales/distances we are talking about. When we casually talk about our solar system most people have a picture in their mind of a poster or picture they have seen in a book showing the planets orbiting the sun. This is a completely false picture and gives no real idea of the distances involved.
If you draw the Earth about the size of a pea then Pluto would be about a mile away on that scale.
It's even worse than that, however, since Pluto is not, as most people seem to think, at the edge of the solar system - it's not even close.
The Voyager spacecraft took about 12 years to get to Pluto, travelling at about 30,000 miles per hour. To reach the edge of the solar system would take about another 10,000 years.
Put another way, the edge of our solar system is about 50 thousand times farther away than Pluto is.
This means that it is quite reasonable to assume that no human will ever reach the edge of our own solar system, let alone travel to another star system.
Even if we assume a very generous solution to the Drake equation and assume there are several million intelligent species in the Milky-way, the average distance between them would be a couple of hundred light years.there's got to be something out there, somewhere, otherwise theres faaaaaarrr too much empty space up there. Not good from a galactic feng shui point of view.
I do believe! Crazy thing is..I'm Christian! I love that movie that the guy posted in like the second reply on this topic. What if....WHAT IF...when we went to the moon we did find something out there and since then the leaders of Earth are gravitating towards a unified Earth which most of us believe is evil, i.e. new world order and such. But what if we did have contact, is it so unreasonable that our leaders communicated to the "aliens" that our society is not ready for this truth and they must prepare us to prevent total anarchy? I remember reading a conversation Neil Armstrong had with the astronaut that was orbiting the moon while he was on it and Neil said that there were ships on the moon! NASA immediately ordered him to switch to code talk. Whether or not that conversation ever actually took place there are many other things such as doctored photographs of the moon and the fact that we've never seen the dark side! Who knows if they are green, they may be flesh colored like us. But then again they may be green! I'm rambling but damn the possibilities alone are more exciting than....more exciting than....something really really exciting!!!
Let's separate two concepts - the existence of aliens, and the presence, and knowledge of that presence, by our political masters.
The first is, I believe, likely. The second is unlikely to the point of incredibility.
The whole controversy over the moon landings is an example of myth-making in action. We HAVE seen the darkside of the moon and it has been photographed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_side_of_the_Moon | Bikerman wrote: |
Let's separate two concepts - the existence of aliens, and the presence, and knowledge of that presence, by our political masters.
The first is, I believe, likely. The second is unlikely to the point of incredibility.
The whole controversy over the moon landings is an example of myth-making in action. We HAVE seen the darkside of the moon and it has been photographed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_side_of_the_Moon |
Thanks for clearing that up. I just get excited about the possibilities as you can probably tell.I myself have never seen aliens or any strange things in sky.But i believe that they are their in universe.Imagine, there are many solar systems and they will have planet like earth ,having life.
They may be advance in technology or backwords too.So imagine,It may be that aliens are staying with us in our vicinity changing their bodies.May be possible if they are far ahead in technology then us.
Hmm. That's a pretty good question.
Do I believe in Aliens? Yes, I do.
Do I believe in Aliens like people tell me they are? No I don't.
I do not believe that Earth is the only planet in this massive universe with life on it. There must be other planets with simular conditions where life has come. I do believe, however, that those creatures, just like ourselves, are unable to leave their solarsystem and are unable to contact us. I do not believe in Area 51 or stuff like that. Think about it, the US managed to keep secret that they're torchering suspected terrorists, they have never actually confirmed it, but yet they manage to spill information regarding something as top secret as Aliens? Second point of critique is that there is no reason to keep it a secret. Why would you?
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| Think about it, the US managed to keep secret that they're torchering suspected terrorists, they have never actually confirmed it, but yet they manage to spill information regarding something as top secret as Aliens? Second point of critique is that there is no reason to keep it a secret. Why would you? |
First point: Assuming they wanted to keep information about aliens a secret, they couldn't entirely hide it. If we assume some of the things people have seen in the sky (or on the ground, as in Roswell) are really aliens, some information leaked to the media before the government could cover it up.
Second point: If there were aliens, there would be plenty of reasons for governments to get nervous about public knowledge. They may want to study the technology. Panic may ensue, especially if the public has reason to believe the aliens are hostile.
I am not suggesting there are aliens. I am just saying that the confusion that exists about the matter is similar to what you might expect if there were aliens. More likely, the government has been secretive to protect new military technologies, and perhaps because they thought they should understand some phenomena before they tried to explain it to the public. | SonLight wrote: |
| First point: Assuming they wanted to keep information about aliens a secret, they couldn't entirely hide it. If we assume some of the things people have seen in the sky (or on the ground, as in Roswell) are really aliens, some information leaked to the media before the government could cover it up. |
Can't they? If we presume there are really aliens then the US goverment is doing a hell of a job keeping it secret. Only people supporting conspiracy theories have enourmous amounts of information of which I say the US could never have spilled it as they don't with information regarding possible turtore either. Only thing that's circeling are rumours, and those are no prove at all.
| SonLight wrote: |
| Second point: If there were aliens, there would be plenty of reasons for governments to get nervous about public knowledge. They may want to study the technology. Panic may ensue, especially if the public has reason to believe the aliens are hostile. |
If the aliens would have been hostile they would have attackted us and it would have been over with. We would have noticed then. If creatures with the technology to come here want to harm us then we cannot stop them with our technology and so we would have known if there were hostile aliens around. Studying technology can also happen whilst the public knows there are aliens. It's not like the public will stop the goverment from investigating and learning more about the technology.I would say USOs are far more intriguing than UFOs. Most UFO reports are made by people looking up at the sky and noticing something that does not look like the average airplane. Most USO reports are made by Navy officials who spot something several thousand feet below where their technology is capable of going. In the case of a USO, it may not be aliens at all. Just something we haven't found out about yet.
| Bryan_Bezzle wrote: |
| I would say USOs are far more intriguing than UFOs. Most UFO reports are made by people looking up at the sky and noticing something that does not look like the average airplane. Most USO reports are made by Navy officials who spot something several thousand feet below where their technology is capable of going. In the case of a USO, it may not be aliens at all. Just something we haven't found out about yet. |
It would be useful to define the acronym. USO, I believe, in this context refers to Unidentified Submerged Object? | Bikerman wrote: |
| Bryan_Bezzle wrote: | | I would say USOs are far more intriguing than UFOs. Most UFO reports are made by people looking up at the sky and noticing something that does not look like the average airplane. Most USO reports are made by Navy officials who spot something several thousand feet below where their technology is capable of going. In the case of a USO, it may not be aliens at all. Just something we haven't found out about yet. |
It would be useful to define the acronym. USO, I believe, in this context refers to Unidentified Submerged Object? |
Correct, my apologies.yeah.. for sure. if theres live here why not out there? its true that is kinda mystery but thats the good thing and what it keeps our live progressing.
This as always been a contentious subject which I have tried to study.
I would like to say I have never seen a disc or triangle craft but know people who have. Is everbody who see's something otherworldly a nutter / deluded / schizo or whatever? I don't believe so.
Who would be the best observer to give an opinion? Air traffic controllers, Military observers, Physisists, Pilots, Astronauts? All of these professions are on record for reporting unusual craft.
There are a few things to consider.
Most people think it is impossible for an alien race to be here because of the vast distances involved, but if we don't know of their technology who are we to say. Hundreds of years ago you would have been called a heretic if you said the earth was round. Imagine if you could demonstrate a mobile phone or TV to somebody in victorian times would you evade being lynched?
The thing is: People (especially governments) like to have secrets as it gives them power/control over the people who don't know. Why do you think the powers of old destroyed books and supressed education ? Because an ignorant / un-educated society is easier to control.
I have to say one of the best documented cases for UFO's has to be Eduard Meier (Switzerland).
With thousands of images, multiple cine film and also sound recordings.
This man has been vilified from day 1. But to this day no-one has been able to duplicate ANY of his images or cine-film. This man has 1 arm by the way. I think there is still a million pound bounty for anyone to duplicate the evidence he has, using the same equipment. (35mm SLR and 8mm Cine camera).
Hey don't get me wrong many people have faked photo's etc but to have thousands ??
Also why won't NASA broadcast live streams anymore? Is this because of the STS missions that have recorded anomalous objects (STS-46,48 and 75 just to name a few).
An interesting rumour on the net at the moment are the Isaac documents.
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
I think this may be more Bikerman's territory than mine but it does sound intrigueing.
(By the way I think the majority of the drone craft are CGI.)
France has released all of their ufo documents (I would recommend firefox with translator+ plugin if you don't read french) and the UK is to follow later this year.
Well that's it for now... This subject will never die and if in the future ET does come forward and say hello, the people who deny it now will most probably say they knew all along. | Teezgaff wrote: |
This as always been a contentious subject which I have tried to study.
I would like to say I have never seen a disc or triangle craft but know people who have. Is everbody who see's something otherworldly a nutter / deluded / schizo or whatever? I don't believe so. |
Neither do I. Many people have reported sightings in good faith. The question is often not whether they saw something but what that 'something' was. | Quote: |
| Who would be the best observer to give an opinion? Air traffic controllers, Military observers, Physisists, Pilots, Astronauts? All of these professions are on record for reporting unusual craft. |
Yes that is certainly the case. The best sources, I think, would be astronomers since they are used to looking into the night sky and are familiar with various possible natural causes of UFOs - satellites, comets etc. | Quote: |
| Most people think it is impossible for an alien race to be here because of the vast distances involved, but if we don't know of their technology who are we to say. Hundreds of years ago you would have been called a heretic if you said the earth was round. Imagine if you could demonstrate a mobile phone or TV to somebody in victorian times would you evade being lynched? |
Well not really. The idea that the world was flat was known to be false from the time of ancient Greece. Astonomers, sailors and navigators were well aware of the 'spherical' earth. You wouldn't have been able to demonstrate a mobile phone or TV since there would have been no transmitter or base-stations The question of distance is important because it is not thought to be a technology limitation, it is thought to be a fundamental laws of physics limitation. I cannot currently conceive of any technology which would allow you to break the light barrier. That does not mean, of course, that it will never be possible. | Quote: |
| The thing is: People (especially governments) like to have secrets as it gives them power/control over the people who don't know. Why do you think the powers of old destroyed books and supressed education ? Because an ignorant / un-educated society is easier to control. |
Which powers of old are these? | Quote: |
I have to say one of the best documented cases for UFO's has to be Eduard Meier (Switzerland).
With thousands of images, multiple cine film and also sound recordings.
This man has been vilified from day 1. But to this day no-one has been able to duplicate ANY of his images or cine-film. This man has 1 arm by the way. I think there is still a million pound bounty for anyone to duplicate the evidence he has, using the same equipment. (35mm SLR and 8mm Cine camera). |
Well he has been 'vilified' by many - I agree. That includes his ex-wife who claims she saw him making models which he photographed. I haven't seen the 'bounty' offer - if you have details I would be interested since I could do with a million. | Quote: |
| Hey don't get me wrong many people have faked photo's etc but to have thousands ?? |
Why are 1000 fakes more convincing that 1?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Meier
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| Also why won't NASA broadcast live streams anymore? Is this because of the STS missions that have recorded anomalous objects (STS- |