Hey 
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As i'll give very little preference to Religion & all devotional things.
Let me know who is GOD & who is DEVIL.
As a Human, I am not having any idea of these things ?? 
Is there anybody there to describe ??? 
| tempdbs wrote: |
Hey ,
As i'll give very little preference to Religion & all devotional things.
Let me know who is GOD & who is DEVIL.
As a Human, I am not having any idea of these things ??
Is there anybody there to describe ??? |
Concepts of God and Devil are specific to particular religions.
Christianity
In Christianity God is the creator of everything and man is made in his image. The Devil (also known as Satan and sometimes as Lucifer) is a fallen angel - an evil entity.
Judaism
Judaism has a similar concept of God but not of the devil - the devil does not exist in the Jewish religion. They have a concept of 'ha-Satan' but this is a title, not an entity and means 'chief prosecutor'. This is the angel who will, at judgement day, point out all the sins of man.
Islam
In Islam the devil is called Iblis or Shaitan and was created by God (Allah) from a smokeless fire. God (Allah) is similar to the Christian god.
Zoroastrianism
The devil is Angra Mainyu and is the 'Destructive Emanation' of God (Ahura Mazda).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil
http://en.wikipedia.org/Zoroastrianism
http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa052099.htm | Bikerman wrote: |
Christianity
In Christianity God is the creator of everything and man is made in his image. The Devil (also known as Satan and sometimes as Lucifer) is a fallen angel - an evil entity. |
Now-a-days man is also becoming the CREATOR & DESTROYER.
As a Creator, he is creating the living beings which genetically identical (called clones). As a destroyer, he is killing the living beings.
Then according to your saying (mean christianity), that Man is the GOD & SATAN
| Bikerman wrote: |
Judaism
Judaism has a similar concept of God but not of the devil - the devil does not exist in the Jewish religion. They have a concept of 'ha-Satan' but this is a title, not an entity and means 'chief prosecutor'. This is the angel who will, at judgement day, point out all the sins of man. |
No comments on Judaism as i donot know who will follow & what it is ??
| Bikerman wrote: |
Islam
In Islam the devil is called Iblis or Shaitan and was created by God (Allah) from a smokeless fire. God (Allah) is similar to the Christian god. |
Coming to Islam,
As you said that GOD is same in both the religions.
But nobody (god) told to kill the people.
In christianity (Jesus) always tell to love people, etc., but in case of Islam, I didn't heard this kind of statements.
Hinduism
Coming to Hinduism, there is no concept of Devil.
From this, we can say that in Hinduism there's no Devil, all are Gods. What's it ??In it's most basic form,
GOD = Goodness
DEVIL = Evil
Though you will find many variations, those are the basic equations.
| tempdbs wrote: |
| [b]Now-a-days man is also becoming the CREATOR & DESTROYER. |
He always has been. Creating life is pretty simple...it happens many millions of times a year without any fuss or particular comment. | Quote: |
| [color=indigo]As a Creator, he is creating the living beings which genetically identical (called clones). As a destroyer, he is killing the living beings. |
Again there is nothing new. When Mendel was messing around with his peas in the 19th century it was the first time that we began to get a proper scientific handle on genetics but farmers have been selectively pollinating crops for hundreds, if not thousands of years. The principles are not too different. Even the selective breeding of humans is nothing new. Eugenics dates back to the 19th century. The main differences are that nowadays we have more knowledge of the mechanisms and likely outcomes; and we can now clone animals without the need for sexual reproduction. Most people don't even know what cloning is and even the 'informed' sources on the media rarely discuss the issue in anything more than a partial and fairly uninformative manner. There are actually 3 different types of cloning - recombinant DNA cloning, reproductive cloning, and therapeutic cloning. You can find out the differences and applications of the technology here
As for killing - mankind has been doing that since pre-history. The only difference is that we have got very good at it over time. I don't think that many people would argue that modern man is more violent than his ancestors. If they did they would be wrong since the opposite is demonstrably the case. Violence has declined hugely over history - including deaths in warfare if we consider those as a percentage of the population rather than in simple numeric terms. Here are two examples. - If the wars of the twentieth century had killed the same proportion of the population that die in the wars of a typical tribal society, there would have been two billion deaths, not 100 million.
- Criminal killing in England in the 14th century was at a level of 24 homicides per 100,000 Englishmen. In the 1960s it was 0.6 per 100,000.
Here is an excellent essay by Steven Pinker on the issue of historical violence and how perceptions and assumptions are often misleading.
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| Then according to your saying (mean Christianity), that Man is the GOD & SATAN |
No...God and the Devil are both supernatural entities, man is not.
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| No comments on Judaism as i donot know who will follow & what it is ?? |
It tends to be Jews who follow Judaism normally....Judaism is the word for the Jewish Faith.
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| Coming to Islam, As you said that GOD is same in both the religions. But nobody (god) told to kill the people. In christianity (Jesus) always tell to love people, etc., but in case of Islam, I didn't heard this kind of statements. |
Have you looked at the Qur'an? Have you read the Old Testament? Actually, if you don't known what Judaism is then it is pretty unlikely that you will have read the Old Testament (also known as the Hebrew Bible or Jewish Tanakh). If I were you I would have a look before forming any opinions. Here's a couple of references where you can compare the bible and Qur'an for yourself.
http://www.submission.org/god-bible.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Similarities_between_the_Bible_and_the_Qur'an
(incidentally - I am grateful to you because when searching for suitable material to recommend I came across the source for much of the misleading but authoritative sounding material I keep seeing about the Qur'an and how it predicted modern science hundreds, even thousands of years ago. I now know where the stuff originates - with a book by Dr. Maurice Bucaille which looks impressive and academic at a glance but makes some startling (and incorrect) statements about modern physics which the good Doctor (a surgeon) is neither qualified nor competent to do.
For those who may be interested I'll provide a link to the full text.
Please NOTE this is NOT a recommendation for further reading in order to increase your knowledge. It is an invitation for those who would like to practice their critical analysis skills and find out where a lot of the scientific sounding quotes and claims about the Qur'an (that I have certainly noticed recently) actually seem to originate.)
The entire book is on-line HERE
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HinduismComing to Hinduism, there is no concept of Devil.
From this, we can say that in Hinduism there's no Devil, all are Gods. What's it ?? |
Hinduism is difficult to put into a category. It contains beliefs which are variously monotheist (1 god), polytheist (many gods), pantheist (everything is God), monist (all is one united whole) and even atheist (no god). It cannot be easily fitted into any of those categories.There is nothing unique in Hinduism, all but one world religions have all the attributes you falsely ascribe only to Hinduism. The word Elohim in the Bible refers to God, angels, men and even evil pagan gods. The Great Spirit is a profoundly monotheistic concept that exists ubiquitously within almost all forms of Native American Shamanism, even though it is classified as pantheistic as well.
The only meaningful difference in any of these is on emphasis. None of the distinctions that Bikerman makes are more than superficial matters of focus and highlight. Only Islam, an overtly demonic religion in my opinion, can really said to be different in any meaningful way, and that is because it is entirely a BS deception written by an unseen entity. In today’s terms it would be called channeled material, like the Book of Mormons.
| Soulfire wrote: |
DEVIL = Evil |
DEVIL = Badness.. (in turn Evil will do bad things itself)
Then one more Question--- 
GOD + DEVIL = Universe ????
Let me know. It can be defined ?? (in this way)I think that the devil is a role that God setup for the benefit of a very young universe, much as the way the culling of predation helps to keep a herd genetically healthy. When protected from predation animal stocks notoriously deteriorate in health over time. This is why the Bio-Diversity Treaty was such a big deal, and so easily passed into law even by the otherwise always resistant to international hampering, USA. It is also the reason why wild stud horses and wild bulls are so much more prized and expensive. No one wants to prove that their stallion or bull has a long domesticated pedigree, they want to prove a pedigree of recent wild heritage because the more recent their ancestors were subject to predation, the more healthy they are.
Evolution occurs more rapidly when selective pressures are high. That is what the devil is for, speeding up spiritual evolution. God made the devil for a very good reason. The devil is not outside of God. God is the Great Genetic Engineer who is trying to create forms that are better evolved for encasing souls.
The devil is not outside of God, so it is false to say that God + the devil really adds anything to God.
[quote="Bikerman
(incidentally - I am grateful to you because when searching for suitable material to recommend I came across the source for much of the misleading but authoritative sounding material I keep seeing about the Qur'an and how it predicted modern science hundreds, even thousands of years ago. I now know where the stuff originates - with a book by Dr. Maurice Bucaille which looks impressive and academic at a glance but makes some startling (and incorrect) statements about modern physics which the good Doctor (a surgeon) is neither qualified nor competent to do.
For those who may be interested I'll provide a link to the full text.
Please NOTE this is NOT a recommendation for further reading in order to increase your knowledge. It is an invitation for those who would like to practice their critical analysis skills and find out where a lot of the scientific sounding quotes and claims about the Qur'an (that I have certainly noticed recently) actually seem to originate.)
The entire book is on-line HERE
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Chris,
Hope my dicussion gave you this benefit.
Learning all the information related to religions by your discussions.
Proceed in your way !! | tempdbs wrote: |
Hope my dicussion gave you this benefit.
Learning all the information related to religions by your discussions.
Proceed in your way !! |
Yes - I've been wondering where the source of the 'theories' was and it was happy chance that I stumbled on it whilst looking up some material for you. You can certainly claim the credit 
I'm happy to be of help and glad you find it useful.Nice... 
| mike1reynolds wrote: |
| I think that the devil is a role that God setup for the benefit of a very young universe, much as the way the culling of predation helps to keep a herd genetically healthy. When protected from predation animal stocks notoriously deteriorate in health over time. |
Can you relate predation with Evil in a more clear fashion ?
What is it that God is trying to get rid of from the herd ? Weak souls ? weak soul casings ?
What explains such "human" method (for creating the best herd) being employed by someone, who's almighty and who's everything in himself.
| mike1reynolds wrote: |
| Evolution occurs more rapidly when selective pressures are high. That is what the devil is for, speeding up spiritual evolution. God made the devil for a very good reason. The devil is not outside of God. God is the Great Genetic Engineer who is trying to create forms that are better evolved for encasing souls. |
Again, could God not create perfect soul casings in the first attempt ?
And life, as we know it, is actually God cherry picking the best canisters and trashing the rest ?[quote=]Here is an excellent essay by Steven Pinker on the issue of historical violence and how perceptions and assumptions are often misleading. [/quote]
The Followig quote are the words of Steven Pinker.....
This doctrine, "the idea that humans are peaceable by nature and corrupted by modern institutions—pops up frequently in the writing of public intellectuals like José Ortega y Gasset ("War is not an instinct but an invention"), Stephen Jay Gould ("Homo sapiens is not an evil or destructive species"), and Ashley Montagu ("Biological studies lend support to the ethic of universal brotherhood")," he writes. "But, now that social scientists have started to count bodies in different historical periods, they have discovered that the romantic theory gets it backward: Far from causing us to become more violent, something in modernity and its cultural institutions has made us nobler."
War is an Invention by Human...Excellent words....
