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Common Language ?
Do you think the people should need a common language that can be spoken easily in everywhere in anyplace of the world.This might be a nice project to keep our old world and to live in peace.But it also will be very hard to form.If you have any thouhgt about this subject,please let us share here our ideas.Which languages might be near to common language and which languages might be far to it.It will be probably effected from other languages but I think it must be diferent and useful.
No, I think all languages has a beautiful, rich and complex complements, that must be preserved.
Or, if you refer to have a one language to speak, I think the english is the best. Is easy to understand, easy to learn and is not necessarily to have high skills to communicate with it.
I have one week since I'm taking an english courses, and is ease to read and write it. So, sorry if you find bad grammar, I'm still learning
Or, if you refer to have a one language to speak, I think the english is the best. Is easy to understand, easy to learn and is not necessarily to have high skills to communicate with it.
I have one week since I'm taking an english courses, and is ease to read and write it. So, sorry if you find bad grammar, I'm still learning
| Q5U8 wrote: |
| easy to learn |
Say What?
I've always heard that English is a particularly hard language to learn.
If we were to all use the same language, it would have to be a completely new language, because otherwise people would resist what they see as outsiders forcing the outsiders' language on them.
I'd have to say no. The diverse languages create diverse cultures. Having multiple languages also give people jobs as interpreters and such. I think the uniqueness of every culture would become lost if we all spoke one universal language.
Now if you were speaking about coding languages, espeically in HTML and Javscript, then yes
lol. I get really irritated when my code works for internet explorer, but not safari (for mac computers)
Now if you were speaking about coding languages, espeically in HTML and Javscript, then yes
lol. I get really irritated when my code works for internet explorer, but not safari (for mac computers)| ctrlTR wrote: |
| Do you think the people should need a common language that can be spoken easily in everywhere in anyplace of the world.This might be a nice project to keep our old world and to live in peace.But it also will be very hard to form.If you have any thouhgt about this subject,please let us share here our ideas.Which languages might be near to common language and which languages might be far to it.It will be probably effected from other languages but I think it must be diferent and useful. |
Well, as people have said it's great that we have diversity in languages. However, there is an "international language". It's called Esperanto, but I assume that Latin would work just as well. It's not that high up on the amount of speakers in the world, though.
It would be nice if everyone could become bilingual.
1) Their native tounge
2) English
That's not to say that English is any better than any other language, but as it stands now, English is the most commonly used language around the world. It's not the easiest, nor the best, but it is the most widespread.
Churchill? once said:
The U.S. and U.K. are two similar countries divided by a common language.
Forgive me if the person/quote is off, but you get the gist. I thought it was appropriate!
1) Their native tounge
2) English
That's not to say that English is any better than any other language, but as it stands now, English is the most commonly used language around the world. It's not the easiest, nor the best, but it is the most widespread.
Churchill? once said:
The U.S. and U.K. are two similar countries divided by a common language.
Forgive me if the person/quote is off, but you get the gist. I thought it was appropriate!
I don't believe that one language is better then another but I do feel that if we had a common language such as mathematics does then we would all be able to communicate more effectively. This would probably save us a lot of money in the long run because things like manuals are being printed in 3 to 5 different languages and even more sometimes. Manuals are a small example but there are a lot of things in life which would be much easier with a common language.
I thought this as a little step to combine the people as unique community in the world.Why not ? As you know the language is basis component of a community. Using a common language might make way for coming together and making effective somethings to keep the world.
I vote for Esperanto
As a second language, more fair than English, when people have an advantage over others: you would find that they win more discussions, even if they don't have better ideas as often as that.
Esperanto is extremely easy to learn, 100% regular, and fun! You can actually invent words that others will understand, because of the special affixes (over 40) that exist.
1,000 have Esperanto as their native language (!!)
10,000 speak it fluently
100,000 can use it actively
1,000,000 understand a large amount passively
10,000,000 have studied it to some extent at some time.
The above information I borrowed from the Wikipedia, a extensive article can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto.
I am among those 10,000,000 (or 1,000,000).
I learned it at http://pacujo.net/esperanto/course/, where I could subscribe for an online free course with a personal tutor. That resulted in knowing about 400 words, most of the grammar. After that I read an actual book in Esperanto, called Gerda Malaperis.
At http://en.lernu.net/ I found the following text, for those who want to test how intuitive Esperanto is: I think you will understand some of the following explanation of the term FROSTO. One thing in advance: Varma stands for warm, malvarma is just the opposite. Clever or not? Can You guess malbona, and then even malbona herbo?
FROSTO
1. Tiagrada malvarmo, ke ĝi glaciigas la akvon:
La infano tremis de frosto.
Malbona herbo froston ne timas.
La vetero hodiaŭ estas frosta.
Fermu la fenestron - mi frostas!
La rivero jam alfrostiĝis.
La birdo enfrostiĝis en la glacion kaj ne povis moviĝi.
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1,000 have Esperanto as their native language (!!) 10,000 speak it fluently 100,000 can use it actively 1,000,000 understand a large amount passively 10,000,000 have studied it to some extent at some time. |
Thats not much when the worlds population is 6 Billion, I don't think we need an International Language, everybody seems to be learning, or wants to learn English, maybe in about 50 years it will become a standard language.
Well, I don't need it. I think people try to understand others who can speak another language. There are a lot of people on the earth. Each of them has different languag and environment as well. Even people don't have a common language but it makes it easy to make an effort of understanding each others... hm.. I don't know what I'm saying.. sorry
Well, it's not like communication is impossible otherwise...
I've also heard that English is the hardest language to learn. I think most know a few words in english like "Ok" , "Hi", "Bye". I mean it would be difficult to have a common language. Most people would forget it anyway since they don't speak it everyday.
Firstly, English is a bad idea for a common language. Basically, although it's grammar is reasonably simple (nouns don't decline, verbs don't conjugate), the devil is in the details. There are very few regular verbs in English, for example. For the full argument, see http://www.geocities.com/c_piron/11.html
So, tackling the points out of logical order, is a common language a good or necessary thing? I would say yes it is, as it would make communication so much easier. As a specific rebuttal to the point made by Q5U8 and unknownc1c, if we were to adopt English as a common language, we may well find minority languages falling by the wayside. But if we were to adopt a created language (commonly called a conlang, short for constructed language), then no this would not be an issue. Esperanto, for example, is designed to be a common second language: it is simple to learn, which makes this possible. Only the very best linguists can learn a second "natural" language (such as English) fluently.
Also, as a rebuttal to those who say that English should be learnt because it is currently the most spoken internationally and is likely to become even more so, just remember that many people were making that same argument a hundred or so years ago... except about French rather than English. Each language has its turn, we may not see English as going away in the near future, but history will almost certainly repeat itself and I am fairly sure that it will.
As for Esperanto, it has its flaws, but most of the arguments against Esperanto have no basis in fact. I am more than willing to discuss them, but this post is long enough already.
I would highly encourage everyone to learn at least some basic Esperanto, and you will see just how simple it is. Many people who have learned Esperanto say that spent x years learning another language, and then spent x months learning Esperanto, and were already finding themselves more fluent in Esperanto than the other languages. I have never taken a formal Esperanto class, but I can understand it without any real issues (though for some words I need a dictionary), and I am well on the way to being able to speak and write it as well.
So, tackling the points out of logical order, is a common language a good or necessary thing? I would say yes it is, as it would make communication so much easier. As a specific rebuttal to the point made by Q5U8 and unknownc1c, if we were to adopt English as a common language, we may well find minority languages falling by the wayside. But if we were to adopt a created language (commonly called a conlang, short for constructed language), then no this would not be an issue. Esperanto, for example, is designed to be a common second language: it is simple to learn, which makes this possible. Only the very best linguists can learn a second "natural" language (such as English) fluently.
Also, as a rebuttal to those who say that English should be learnt because it is currently the most spoken internationally and is likely to become even more so, just remember that many people were making that same argument a hundred or so years ago... except about French rather than English. Each language has its turn, we may not see English as going away in the near future, but history will almost certainly repeat itself and I am fairly sure that it will.
As for Esperanto, it has its flaws, but most of the arguments against Esperanto have no basis in fact. I am more than willing to discuss them, but this post is long enough already.
I would highly encourage everyone to learn at least some basic Esperanto, and you will see just how simple it is. Many people who have learned Esperanto say that spent x years learning another language, and then spent x months learning Esperanto, and were already finding themselves more fluent in Esperanto than the other languages. I have never taken a formal Esperanto class, but I can understand it without any real issues (though for some words I need a dictionary), and I am well on the way to being able to speak and write it as well.
Moved to "Languages and Translation".
I guess so. But, in order to united China and establish a common language, the Empioror of Qin dynasty basically fought every single nation in main land and conquer them. Will that be worth it? You need a world war and a final winner who take over the world?
| Billwaa wrote: |
| I guess so. But, in order to united China and establish a common language, the Empioror of Qin dynasty basically fought every single nation in main land and conquer them. Will that be worth it? You need a world war and a final winner who take over the world? |
We don't need to do that now, if anything we've got the UN.
UN don't have much power though, right? it don't have its own military and nations could leave it right?
Butt why wait with the talk of the town till someone owns the world?
Tha point is that everyone can just keep raising children and discussing pollution, wellfare and global heating in everyone's private littel language, with as a extra that one secondary lingo to use when Inuit meets Masai or North Korean meets Taliban or Norvegian meets Aboriginal. Or they all join and have a (root)beer. "Kiel vi fartas?" "Dankon, tre bone" "Vi estas bela" "Mi amas vin" they all shout joyfully.
No one wants to go to war anymore, let alone to be able to talk one language: that is already taken care of. Fun? Sure sheer!
Tha point is that everyone can just keep raising children and discussing pollution, wellfare and global heating in everyone's private littel language, with as a extra that one secondary lingo to use when Inuit meets Masai or North Korean meets Taliban or Norvegian meets Aboriginal. Or they all join and have a (root)beer. "Kiel vi fartas?" "Dankon, tre bone" "Vi estas bela" "Mi amas vin" they all shout joyfully.
No one wants to go to war anymore, let alone to be able to talk one language: that is already taken care of. Fun? Sure sheer!
I'm not a native English speaker myself, but I hope one day everybody will speak English. I mean decent English, not the raped language some Americans speak. 
[just kiddin', don't call me a goddam sunovabitch *irony*]
I live in Belgium, and we're quite proficient in learning foreign languages. We don't have a typical Belgian accent when we speak English, or French... Some people are famous for their strange accent, like the French/Germans when they speak English. Does anyone know the "Allo Allo" series from BBC?
[just kiddin', don't call me a goddam sunovabitch *irony*]
I live in Belgium, and we're quite proficient in learning foreign languages. We don't have a typical Belgian accent when we speak English, or French... Some people are famous for their strange accent, like the French/Germans when they speak English. Does anyone know the "Allo Allo" series from BBC?
Meh, if we're talking about a common language based on sheer volume of its speakers, then we all have to learn some Chinese, then! 
Seriously, though, as much as it would be wonderful to have a common language, the complexity of societies and beliefs would make it impossible to implement such a thing. Somebody has already mentioned domination and the UN -- see, people have different beliefs regarding language. Some hold their respective languages more sacred than do their foreign counterparts. As long as people have different values regarding languages, and as long as people have that paranoid fear of losing their identities or being subjected under another nation's influence, a common language would be almost impossible to implement.
As a side note, I am also bilingual, and English is also just my second language. The only difference is, I guess, is that I have been speaking English ever since I was a little kid. English has also been incorporated into my country's culture, being the largest English-speaking nation in Asia.
Seriously, though, as much as it would be wonderful to have a common language, the complexity of societies and beliefs would make it impossible to implement such a thing. Somebody has already mentioned domination and the UN -- see, people have different beliefs regarding language. Some hold their respective languages more sacred than do their foreign counterparts. As long as people have different values regarding languages, and as long as people have that paranoid fear of losing their identities or being subjected under another nation's influence, a common language would be almost impossible to implement.
As a side note, I am also bilingual, and English is also just my second language. The only difference is, I guess, is that I have been speaking English ever since I was a little kid. English has also been incorporated into my country's culture, being the largest English-speaking nation in Asia.
| Billwaa wrote: |
| UN don't have much power though, right? it don't have its own military and nations could leave it right? |
It does have a police force that could be used sort of like a military, but really if a majority of countries do not want a common language why force it upon them?
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| Hi partner,
It's been some time since I received your message. Took longer than I hoped to answer. -finvenkisto or raumisto- That indeed is of no real importance to me, I think the Esperanto movement has had some momentum and lost it some decades ago. The idea is very sympathetic to me, but I am detached. You are the first one to write to me in Esperanto since say 10 years. I have to dig deep. At the forum however I will keep the frih$s in front of members'noses, see if it works. Don't hesitate to reply in Esperanto, if you like, maybe that entices me to compose some sentences myself and regain the old feeling... |
I DO SOLEMNY SWEAR TO DONATE TWO FRIH DOLLARS TO ANYONE HERE AT THE FORUM AT THE PRESENTATION OF A PASSED EXAM IN ESPERANTO.
You might take one at http://en.lernu.net/mia_lernu/ekzamenoj/index.php
If you have a good alternative, be welcome to have your knowledge proven elsewhere.
The offer is to a maximum of Frih$50 in total, if no more than 4 people react Frih$40 will be split among them (OR HIM/HER!). End june I will see how things are!
in fact we have one now. English is learned all over the world, isn't it? English is widely used in the world because England and America have been the strongest countries in the world.
I think english will be the "world language" one day. But I don't want the other languages will disappear. Chinese is so fascinating!
I think english will be the "world language" one day. But I don't want the other languages will disappear. Chinese is so fascinating!
I take it that you have never tried talking in English to someone who doesn't speak English as a first language...
I'm not sure about one language for all. but it would be nice if we are all bilingual and one of them is understood by each other, as someone suggested here earlier. English seems to be the obvious choice, again as someone suggested earlier, due to its widespread usage.
However I think things will change in the future. It's very difficult to control this if not impossible, especially the use of language. I've been told that French was once an international language. I guess that's because France was one of the most powerful country. And German was most demanded language in Europe mainland during World War era for the same reason. The reason English is popular now, I think you would agree that it's because of United State of America. But things works in a cycle. You have rise and fall like every other civilisations. In fact like anything in this universe. Who knows what language we will be learning next...
However I think things will change in the future. It's very difficult to control this if not impossible, especially the use of language. I've been told that French was once an international language. I guess that's because France was one of the most powerful country. And German was most demanded language in Europe mainland during World War era for the same reason. The reason English is popular now, I think you would agree that it's because of United State of America. But things works in a cycle. You have rise and fall like every other civilisations. In fact like anything in this universe. Who knows what language we will be learning next...
If everyone talk the same languages and had the same money it would be easy to communicate around the world.. But the people around the world dont wannt it to be to easy.. Everyone learn swedish!
Everyone should learn two languages, one common language and a own nationality.
anything can be communicate easily around world, and everyone still have own specify pretty language
anything can be communicate easily around world, and everyone still have own specify pretty language
NO, and now there are many kinds of languages in the world, it's an interesting thing, or it will be dull.
learning a foreign language is good.
learning a foreign language is good.
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