The earth's human population is currently above 6 billion... for the life of me i can't understand why people want to have more than 2 biological children...
200 years ago, the Habsburgs and the royalty of the 18th century had 8+ children, purely because the mortality rate was so high that almost 60% of their children were dead before creating offspring, or died during the childbirth process...
In 2007, with life expectancy at a high & mortality rates at a low in Western Europe, North America and Australia, is it really unreasonable to suggest that if you want a large family, yet you want your own children, you can have both? Have your two children & adopt the rest. Our world, and that includes all of us, is reaching a population level that just can not be sustained. In undeveloped countries, they don't have the resources or the education, which, from a realistic point of view, has to change--but in developed countries, i see no reason in this day and age to be having 7,8,9 biological children with mutual parents. It's just selfish and gross.
"Unless we reduce the human population humanely through family planning, nature will do it for us through violence, epidemics or starvation." http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article337005.ece
When will people wake up?! Hello?!
*** I know this may create some heated debate but... what do you think? Agreed, 100%
I suppose some of the reasoning for not adopting is that perspective parents generally want a miniature-version of themselves, to turn into the person that they always wanted to be, but never were.
They want to see themselves in their children, I guess.
Although, it does seem to be a trendy sort of thing for celebrities to adopt a child from another country.
I don't really know a great deal about the process/stipulations/cost of adoption, but I'd imagine it's very difficult & time-consuming.
Sadly, it's probably easier to have your own child, rather than give one a family who doesn't have one.
I think the reason people don't adopt is because it's a heck of a lot easier and more fun to just get pregnant. Sure, it's probably not much easier or cheaper in the long run, but it's a pretty natural human drive. Sex is just way to free and easy.
I think it's a basic human desire to procreate. Having children of your own is naturally going to be preferable over adopting for most people, I think. I think a lot of that is just evolutionary. For instance, if you look at lions - when a new male takes over a pride, he will kill all the offspring of the former pride-leader so that the females will go into estrus and he can produce offspring of his own.
Aside from that, on a more practical level, the process involved in adoption is usually quite lengthy and involves social worker visits, home studies, often long waiting periods, and in the case of private or international adoption, lots of money. In addition to that, you often don't know much about the background of the child, health of the parents, whether the mother drank or did drugs during pregnancy, etc, or in the case of international adoptions, the children are often neglected in orphanages and come with a whole host of emotional problems due to the lack of human interaction as an infant. There are just so many unknowns when it comes to adoption.
I don't know the current data, but 10 to 20 years ago it was so difficult to adopt that many who would have liked to do it never got the opportunity.
Screening of prospective parents and all sorts of red tape often got in the way, and I'm sure still does.
I can not think tomany cases were peoplehave thatmany children in my hole family there is no one thathasmore 3 and evenof all people i know know no familyhasmore then 2 or 3 sowere are all thes people with 7 + comming from
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| I can not think tomany cases were peoplehave thatmany children in my hole family there is no one thathasmore 3 and evenof all people i know know no familyhasmore then 2 or 3 sowere are all thes people with 7 + comming from |
I know of a family that has 9 biological children with the same parents... i was just wondering if anyone could give me some insight as to why? It's obviously something that would be a bit rude to ask to them... i agree that ppl want biological children- that's never going to change- but if you want a super large family, why can't people even consider adopting in addition to having their own children? | sky217 wrote: |
| Sex is just way to free and easy. |
I wish ... 
Seriously, though, self-replication is a basic animal instinct that - as far as humans are concerned - will have to be controlled in the long-run. It's not going to be easy, though.
It takes a very special person to adopt someone else's child.to be honest i think that the population issue does need to be adressed but i also hope to have more than 2 children regardless of the mortalility rate. And i also know that i won't feel comfortable adopting a child or children I can't really explain why but I just wouldn't although i do think this could a solution to the population problem its not that reliable as many people won't adpot. the rest of the world could a) stop migrating b) adopt a porcess like china's (only 1 child per family) although i know in britain which is not a dictatorship and in other demorcratic countries this will not make the voters happy. solve that 
This whole issue is absolute BS unless people get rid of their individualistic inertia and start thinking of the world as a whole.
Rather than send food and supplies to undeveloped countries, get them educated!!!
Many of the children born in areas such as africa, india and pakistan are born because women have no rights, and have no access to education or birth control.
At least the chinese government was smart enough to realise that their population would be unsustainable if the population continued to explode-- therefore the one child per family rule.
If only (i wish) places such as Bangladesh could realise this, most of their environmental, social and economic problems would be solved.
In terms of adoption, in the short term, western society can allow children without a future to have a future. They've already been born-- they're a part of life.
Why the f**k does western society continue to allow what can only be considered as child abuse, brought on by the inability for women to decide if, when, and how many children they want?
In many poor parts of the world children are seen as a retirement fund by the parents. Many children means many people to look after you and provide income in your old age.
Indonesia is like this in most rural areas and to some extent in the cities also.
I don't believe all the theories that say that the earth isn't able to sustain more people. It's like saying that computers are not able to get any faster. Of course there is some limit, but it isn't going to be reached soon.
With our current technology and free land available to agriculture, we could easily produce several times more food than we currently do. We aren't doing that due to economical reasons - because a lot of people don't have enough money to buy it.
Poverty is the cause and not population. And an increasing population doesn't necessarily create poverty, rather the opposite in a lot of cases.
In my opinion, government birth control by forced abortions and even murdered newborns like China used to do, is a breach of human rights. Besides, they are now having problems due to that system as they lack young people, especially girls.
No need to think more, this is just destiny that we are common in all together.Unfartunately,Doomsday is approaching day by day,The end of the World is closely depend on population explosion.The world had 2 people at the beginnig of it and now it has over 6 billion people 
Have you ever thought ? What is the human capacity of the World ? and when the Global Warming added to this excess of population,Why do we need to limit the population ?
I think that we should be willing to our destiny,but we must do everything to keep the World without limiting the population.Because anybody who will born at future might create a big saviour solution to make longer the life of the World,Coming generations definitely will be so clever more than us.We cannot change their fate and so the fate of the World. It's been said before, but the adoption process is tedious and drawn out. It's much easier to have your own biological children.
Also, I'm assuming that many people would rather have their own biological children than an adoptive children because of many reasons (i.e. easier to love, etc.)
It's all very relative.
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It's been said before, but the adoption process is tedious and drawn out. It's much easier to have your own biological children.
Also, I'm assuming that many people would rather have their own biological children than an adoptive children because of many reasons (i.e. easier to love, etc.)
It's all very relative. |
I want kids, that simple. I am far too good looking and smart not to procreate. It would be a dis-service to humanity if I didn't 
We celebrate festival that is devoted to all world children every year in 23rd April in Turkey thanks to Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.Ataturk had been conscious of important of children, Because He had decided to change somethings for our nation when he was just a child.So he had known that what a child can make somethings to change fate of a nation.And also we have to be aware of the children about that what they can make for future.
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The thing I am most chocked about is that I always believed and was told growing up that the world in overcrowded. Now I see on the news that countries like Russia, Canada, France and Australia are encouraging people to have more and more children to increase there populations.... Why don't we just share the space we have. Why don't we share the resources we have? Why don't we share everything with everyone and all have the same standard of living.
I agree about the adoption, I am considering having one biological child, mainly because my partner wants that, but after that I will adopt or foster children that are already here.
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Last edited by timtotango on Sun May 20, 2007 8:03 am; edited 1 time in total I am totally for what you said. In Mauritius it is quite rare to find families with more 7-8 children. There should be some kind of birth control or the father is uncontrollable. He just wants to make children, maybe he wants to create a football team, or something like this. Maybe he is taking the chance that when he will be too old to make more, one of his children will take care of him.
There's been a lot of good analysis of population issues over at anthropik.com including this article, "Human Population is a Function of Food Supply":
http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-4-human-population-is-a-function-of-food-supply/
So long as food is available, the population will expand to meet the food supply. It's a basic law of nature, to which all animals are subject, including ourselves. And it doesn't matter if half the people decide to voluntarily limit their reproduction, because that just leaves food for the other half of the population to crank out extra babies. In a culture based on exponential growth of food and resources, population growth will also be exponential.
This is a great example of why our civilization is going to crash and burn pretty soon...
Scrub Doesn't the adoption process take money and usually several years? It's like voting, if you make it harder for people to do it they generally won't do it.
I am too young so I do not know but mostly the female wants children because it is in their instinct, and while the children are safe, they 'make' more just out of instinct. If people should really think they should go for 2/3 children. If every person marries one time and gets two children, and those get married and get two children, the population will not rise but some people can not get babies because of health problems and not every child marries and that is why the average babies per couple should be 2.5 but there are some other influences like cheating and that is why population is uncontrolable. The only way is the way the people in China did against population growth and that was to higher the tax if you had too many children.
I've always wanted to adopt children (as well as have maybe one or two of my own), and I don't care so much about age. But so many people are hesitant in adopting an older child and only want to adopt newborn babies or toddlers. This is also a major problem.
I think adopting is a great alternative for couples who can not conceive. It is cheaper and is much less evasive and stressful than IVF treatment and it helps children in need. I think its crazy that some people think that parents can't love an adopted child as if he was their own. Its both sad and wrong. However, I fully understand why people also want to procreate both due to religious reasons but also for emotional reasons. I assume that pregnancy is a wonderful time for a couple that helps them bond even more and allows them to appreciate each other even more. In my humble opinion, I think that both methods are right and its wrong for some people to shun people who adopt one method or another (pun not intended)
Adopting probably isn't that popular simply because people want to have a child that has their blood, rather than one that is foreign to them.
