Heard news about starving children in africa once again..we have more than enough food to feed the entire planet! Its just in wrong places! What can we do?
Feed africa!
If they would only stop killing and exploiting one another a large part of the problem would be solved.
The reason they have no food is not only droughts but also a large part due to all the civil wars and total murder and mayhem in many african countries.
Take Zimbabwei for example. 30 years ago one of the best off countries in Africa, now a total disaster.
Bet this gets some flak
The reason they have no food is not only droughts but also a large part due to all the civil wars and total murder and mayhem in many african countries.
Take Zimbabwei for example. 30 years ago one of the best off countries in Africa, now a total disaster.
Bet this gets some flak
Paul_indo, you shouldn’t get flak for the truth. Africa is a mess, and the problem isn’t that they just ran out of food. The corrupt leadership absorbs any progress the population might make.
So how do we, meaning use people dieing from cardiovascular disease from eating too much food, do about the problem. Well, first be put celebrities on tv asking for money. This is logical. People who are profound actors are certainly astute students of world economics.
Then we send ship loads of corn and wheat, some time clothes too (just what black people need on the equator, a hand-me-down Dukes of hazard t-shit). Yay, they have food now!
Well, the local war lords take much of this and sell it. You can’t be a war lord with a healthy well feed populous remember. Corrupt officials us it to by villages – ‘votes’. And if you don’t swallow that hoowy, just understand that all that SUBSADISED (meaning in the US for example farmers get paid to keep food prices down or not to farm to keep them up, economics) food floods the African economy with supper cheep corn and grain so the farmer there that did get anything out of the season can’t make a profit and end up selling anything they have, including farm equipment. Now what do they do nest year.
That’s the real question. Next year. Next season. There is no incentive to farm and build a surplus. Before you know it those ships will sail in and destroy all the farmer’s profit.
I wish I had a solution. Human depravity is truly amazing left to it’s own devices. Africa is an awesome example of that.
So how do we, meaning use people dieing from cardiovascular disease from eating too much food, do about the problem. Well, first be put celebrities on tv asking for money. This is logical. People who are profound actors are certainly astute students of world economics.
Then we send ship loads of corn and wheat, some time clothes too (just what black people need on the equator, a hand-me-down Dukes of hazard t-shit). Yay, they have food now!
Well, the local war lords take much of this and sell it. You can’t be a war lord with a healthy well feed populous remember. Corrupt officials us it to by villages – ‘votes’. And if you don’t swallow that hoowy, just understand that all that SUBSADISED (meaning in the US for example farmers get paid to keep food prices down or not to farm to keep them up, economics) food floods the African economy with supper cheep corn and grain so the farmer there that did get anything out of the season can’t make a profit and end up selling anything they have, including farm equipment. Now what do they do nest year.
That’s the real question. Next year. Next season. There is no incentive to farm and build a surplus. Before you know it those ships will sail in and destroy all the farmer’s profit.
I wish I had a solution. Human depravity is truly amazing left to it’s own devices. Africa is an awesome example of that.
| horseatingweeds wrote: |
| Well, the local war lords take much of this and sell it. You can’t be a war lord with a healthy well feed populous remember. Corrupt officials us it to by villages – ‘votes’. And if you don’t swallow that hoowy, just understand that all that SUBSADISED (meaning in the US for example farmers get paid to keep food prices down or not to farm to keep them up, economics) food floods the African economy with supper cheep corn and grain so the farmer there that did get anything out of the season can’t make a profit and end up selling anything they have, including farm equipment. Now what do they do nest year.
That’s the real question. Next year. Next season. There is no incentive to farm and build a surplus. Before you know it those ships will sail in and destroy all the farmer’s profit. I wish I had a solution. Human depravity is truly amazing left to it’s own devices. Africa is an awesome example of that. |
You are right there horseatingweeds. This also happens in Indonesia. Whenever there is a National disaster they beg for foreign aid and then the government bodies charged with distributing it take most of the aid and sell it. Total greed and depravity.
In Indonesia approximately 2% of the population have over 90% of the wealth. Think about that, 4.4 million rich people and around 215 million poor.
Two recent reports from the "Jakarta Post" newspaperstated.
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| The latest reports from the World Bank office in Jakarta on poverty in Indonesia reveal unsurprising figures: 49 percent of the people live on an income of less than US$2 a day, while in 1996 this number was 50.4 percent. However, in terms of absolute numbers, it increased from 99 million in 1996 to 107 million this year. |
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| The Indonesian government is making a great effort to raise tax revenue. As is well known, the country's tax system is dominated by income tax. The number of individual taxpayers, as represented by the NPWP (taxpayer registration number), is only 3.5 million, much less than the number of households in the country, around 40 million. |
The last one is very revealing in that out of a population of 220,000,00 people only 3,500,00 are paying tax.
Most of those who are not paying tax earn so little that they are not actually required to pay any tax.
Or are so rich that they just bribe the tax collector.
Thing are complicated! Feed the children but do not feed the lazy adults!!
African countries blame the colonial powers for their poverty! But it is exactly the opposite way. Independence doesn't fill your stomach! Colony status would have forced the colonial powers to give substantial aid.
Anyway, I agree with cancelling African countries debts but conditioned by investments in education, factories, infrastructure. Give them fishing rods not fish!
African countries blame the colonial powers for their poverty! But it is exactly the opposite way. Independence doesn't fill your stomach! Colony status would have forced the colonial powers to give substantial aid.
Anyway, I agree with cancelling African countries debts but conditioned by investments in education, factories, infrastructure. Give them fishing rods not fish!
In the immortal words of the late Sam Kinnison.
"Buy them some luggage and a bus ticket.
They live in F***ing desert.
AAAHHHHGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Buy them some luggage and a bus ticket.
They live in F***ing desert.
AAAHHHHGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!"
The primary driving force behind the current Africa condition is, in my opinion, the lack of economic and political development throughout the majority of the country. Yes, we can feed them, but to keep them fed we need to give them the means to feed themselves. We need to invest in infrastructure and education in Africa if we wish to get them out of the cycle of poverty.
Note also that "Africa" is a continent. Saying it's all desert is like saying that all North Americans live in grassland because the great plains are grassland and that covers a pretty big part of the continent. The areas where the majority of the people live; ie Democratic Republic of the Congo, Egypt, South Africa, Morocco, are not infact deserts. Dem Rep of the Congo is in large part a massive rain forest, probably the furthest biome from desert, Morocco shares much of the climate trends with Italy, and the heavily populated Nile Delta in Egypt shares many common climate trends with the Louisiana Bayou, for instance. I've never yet heard someone refer to North America as a grassland because it has a grassland in it, so stop referring to Africa the continent as a desert.
Note also that "Africa" is a continent. Saying it's all desert is like saying that all North Americans live in grassland because the great plains are grassland and that covers a pretty big part of the continent. The areas where the majority of the people live; ie Democratic Republic of the Congo, Egypt, South Africa, Morocco, are not infact deserts. Dem Rep of the Congo is in large part a massive rain forest, probably the furthest biome from desert, Morocco shares much of the climate trends with Italy, and the heavily populated Nile Delta in Egypt shares many common climate trends with the Louisiana Bayou, for instance. I've never yet heard someone refer to North America as a grassland because it has a grassland in it, so stop referring to Africa the continent as a desert.
We can't just simply "feed Africa." They need to get their own issues sorted out first. For instance, who's borders are where, etc.
We can aid in development - politcally and economically... That's about the only thing we can/should do.
We can aid in development - politcally and economically... That's about the only thing we can/should do.
Since the inception of democracy in South Africa (1994) the number of children that go to sleep hungry at night has grown from 0 to approximately 1000 000 (excluding Lesotho & neighboring countries). The population of SA approximately 45 000 000.
President of SA, Thabo Mbeki just gave himself a 50% increase in salary and a security wall of R90 000 000 is being imported from the US to keep the riff-raff off his lavish accommodations.
Africa doesn’t need food, it needs a brain transplant.
President of SA, Thabo Mbeki just gave himself a 50% increase in salary and a security wall of R90 000 000 is being imported from the US to keep the riff-raff off his lavish accommodations.
Africa doesn’t need food, it needs a brain transplant.
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Africa doesn’t need food, it needs a brain transplant. |
Harsh, but by all appearances probably true.
Although the majority are victims it seems that even when a victim obtains the means to victimise others he will jump on the bandwagon of wealth and power and forget his countrymen.
This is not only true of Africa, but it seems so much more prevalent than many other areas of the world.
More people would be willing to go into Africa and help if there was substantially less chance of them being shot. Africa is, on the whole a brutal continent. The Congo alone has endured a brutal history that continues to this day. Most countries have horrifically corrupt and exploitative leadership that absorbs any aid donated.
The main reason that the UN overlooks Africa is that the continent highlights its failure in its primary objective - to stop a war equal or worse than WW2 from ever happening. Again, it's the Congo that has suffered this. The UN offering a barely token response.
It's mainly left up to the charities to sort while the politicians look the other way. Then again, given that government donations are used for things such as buying fleets of Mercedes with money intended to feed and shelter people, maybe that's not such a loss.
The main reason that the UN overlooks Africa is that the continent highlights its failure in its primary objective - to stop a war equal or worse than WW2 from ever happening. Again, it's the Congo that has suffered this. The UN offering a barely token response.
It's mainly left up to the charities to sort while the politicians look the other way. Then again, given that government donations are used for things such as buying fleets of Mercedes with money intended to feed and shelter people, maybe that's not such a loss.
| olskar wrote: |
| Heard news about starving children in africa once again..we have more than enough food to feed the entire planet! Its just in wrong places! What can we do? |
Before it was fashionable in Africa to kill white farmers for sport, Africa fed itself. But the new racist regimes are spending to much time punishing Whitey to feed themselves.
Even worse, they are killing each other too. They have the land and the resources. They also have the skilled people there to do the setup and labor. But they are wasting their time playing the race game.
Wake up Africa, your people are dying and the White Africans can fix the problem. Let them help, instead of killing them off.
They gave you the freedom you asked for and Africa has done little but punish them for it.
It is time to give up on the punishing and look at what these farmer did to keep backwards Africa alive for so long.
Well, here in the UK we have an annual even called 'Red Nose Day' where many people do funny things to help raise money for charities in Africa and around the world. But sadly, in some ways, this is redundant. Even if we end up raising £35million as we did last time, the countries that get the money will end up giving it back as they have massive debts. If only the G8 would forget about the third-world debts...
| olskar wrote: |
| Heard news about starving children in africa once again..we have more than enough food to feed the entire planet! Its just in wrong places! What can we do? |
The answer is not in feeding the africans, the answer lies in providing the africans with a foundation so that they can feed themselves.
and to supplicate this, the famous phrase, "Give a man a fish you have fed him for a day, teach him to fish, you have fed him for a lifetime."
Thus to conclude, the answer lies in building wells, etc and not given them food which is tied to huge amounts of either interest or conditions.
| achowles wrote: |
| More people would be willing to go into Africa and help if there was substantially less chance of them being shot. Africa is, on the whole a brutal continent. The Congo alone has endured a brutal history that continues to this day. Most countries have horrifically corrupt and exploitative leadership that absorbs any aid donated.
The main reason that the UN overlooks Africa is that the continent highlights its failure in its primary objective - to stop a war equal or worse than WW2 from ever happening. Again, it's the Congo that has suffered this. The UN offering a barely token response. It's mainly left up to the charities to sort while the politicians look the other way. Then again, given that government donations are used for things such as buying fleets of Mercedes with money intended to feed and shelter people, maybe that's not such a loss. |
Who do would you say is to blame for the situation in africa today?
Instead of giving them tractors and complicated machines (as they actually do) they should give them spades and easy tools so they all can handle the tools. Then when they could start to learning a little more easier. And they could actually use the tools to make farms, because they know have to use a spade but not tractors...
Just a theori..
Just a theori..
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