Are there any LaVeyan Satanists among us? i have been researching the 'religion' and it seems to make more sense to me on a personal level due to what i believe i should do every day according to my instincts...
anyone?
i am my own god...
sonofmorris
Please clarify, for I may of misunderstood.
If you are your own god, why are you looking to put yourself under a religion someone else created?
Do you want the freedom of secularity, but the comfort of a group with similiar views?
Hey, lov the topic... 
let me explain. Satanism is a celebration of ones instincts, and since instincts come naturally, satanism was therefore never created by one person but by you and me. it was merely given the name by one who had set out to give it a more acceptable form
in this case applying the celebration of one self to religion and philosophy, "i am my own god"
previous to this i considered myself an athiest, i had no belief in god and thought that the whole concept of being created by a being larger than myself offensive, the whole idea of satanism satisfies how i feel, i guess i was seeking to give my views a name
LaVeyan Satanism satisfies this need, i hope that clears it up for you 
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| Hey, lov the topic... |
heh thnx, 
I for one, am a Laveyan Satanist.
| sonofmorris wrote: |
let me explain. Satanism is a celebration of ones instincts, and since instincts come naturally, satanism was therefore never created by one person but by you and me. it was merely given the name by one who had set out to give it a more acceptable form
in this case applying the celebration of one self to religion and philosophy, "i am my own god"
previous to this i considered myself an athiest, i had no belief in god and thought that the whole concept of being created by a being larger than myself offensive, the whole idea of satanism satisfies how i feel, i guess i was seeking to give my views a name
LaVeyan Satanism satisfies this need, i hope that clears it up for you
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so what? you let yourselves run wild and do what your instincts or Urges want you to do? | Bannik wrote: |
| so what? you let yourselves run wild and do what your instincts or Urges want you to do? |
There is a wikipedia article on this subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism.
I have no idea how accurate it is, not being a LaVeyan satanist myself. Sounds interesting. If it weren't tagged with the name "Satanism" I might be tempted to join it.
And while I understand that one cannot run wild and do what one's urges tell you all the time, I think that it is possible to cause logistical problems, rather than moral ones (i.e., that there is nothing inherently one with one's urges, or fullfilling them, but that it simply tends to be impractical rather than wrong to indulge oneself completely).Ive read alot of it... And put many rules of it into my life, although I think its the other way around, I see that the rules by which I live by are pretty much the same as Laveyan Satanism (most of them, not all).
I think this is called a religion because yet you worship yourself, a diety. Otherwise, it might have just been a philosophical way... (Am I right on this though?)
The thing I remember most from the Satanist Bible are sins number 1 and 4... stupidity and self deceit. I think those are the worst and the most common.
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| If it weren't tagged with the name "Satanism" I might be tempted to join it. |
Hah!
And THAT is exactly why the Church tagged it 'satanism'. 
Read through that article again, looking for any reference to actually worshipping Satan, or for that matter any reference to the existance of any being more powerful than an intelligent human. They bear the tag of 'satanism' as a mark of honour - a strange move, frankly, though it seems to work for them - but in the Christian sense, they're not Satanists at all. | Bannik wrote: |
| sonofmorris wrote: | let me explain. Satanism is a celebration of ones instincts, and since instincts come naturally, satanism was therefore never created by one person but by you and me. it was merely given the name by one who had set out to give it a more acceptable form
in this case applying the celebration of one self to religion and philosophy, "i am my own god"
previous to this i considered myself an athiest, i had no belief in god and thought that the whole concept of being created by a being larger than myself offensive, the whole idea of satanism satisfies how i feel, i guess i was seeking to give my views a name
LaVeyan Satanism satisfies this need, i hope that clears it up for you
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so what? you let yourselves run wild and do what your instincts or Urges want you to do? |
you say that as if humans only have bad urges and instincts.
i know right from wrong and its my instincts that help me judge between the two. is it wrong to listem to that instinct?
my instincts say no | violetgnu wrote: |
| Bannik wrote: | | so what? you let yourselves run wild and do what your instincts or Urges want you to do? |
There is a wikipedia article on this subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism.
I have no idea how accurate it is, not being a LaVeyan satanist myself. Sounds interesting. If it weren't tagged with the name "Satanism" I might be tempted to join it.
And while I understand that one cannot run wild and do what one's urges tell you all the time, I think that it is possible to cause logistical problems, rather than moral ones (i.e., that there is nothing inherently one with one's urges, or fullfilling them, but that it simply tends to be impractical rather than wrong to indulge oneself completely). |
Hey I have an idea, let's change the name then. What shall we call it? Carnalism?I don't quite understand the need to cling to rules that you already enact in your life naturally. That is to say, if your way mimics this satanism, why need it at all?
Can't you say, i'm [insert name] and I worship my-own, and be happy with that?
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I don't quite understand the need to cling to rules that you already enact in your life naturally. That is to say, if your way mimics this satanism, why need it at all?
Can't you say, i'm [insert name] and I worship my-own, and be happy with that? |
Normal life doesn’t have dogma and satanic magic I once met a Satanist of 11 years who carried the Satanic Bible around with him wherever he went. For about a week I had kept hearing about this guy and everyone in the situation I was in was trying to steer us together. When I finally met him we hit it up really well, I was shocked at what a thoughtful fellow he was. So I picked up his book and started reading it to find out what was really going on.
I kept finding lies in the Satanic Bible, not about Christianity, it hardly touched that subject, but rather lies about Buddhism and Hinduism. If you have even a basic understanding of the spiritual aspects of Yoga, you can see that the Satanic Bible is full of lies about it. It tries to set up Satanism as a morally equivalent parallel to Yoga and Hinduism/Buddhism. Even as diverse as this is (Buddhism is a radical non-theistic departure from the totally theistic Hinduism), never the less Satanism clearly and unmistakably is not the moral equivalent of either of these.
Whenever LeVay makes an analogy between Satanism and Eastern Mysticism, he is always distorting Eastern religions, and in a way that MUST be knowing in my opinion. For example, LeVay falsely claims that the goal of yoga is to gain spiritual and psychic power. This in fact violates one of the EIGHT LIMBS OF YOGA (to both Buddhists and Hindus this is like the 10 commandments) one of which says that one is never trying to gain any kind of power, spiritual or otherwise. The purpose of yoga is to find God, and dabbling with power, whether spiritual, political, sexual, whatever, is all nothing but a distraction to the principle aim of yoga.
The Satanic Bible is all a giant lie. It is designed to sound like common sense advice for the “Me” generation, but in fact the principle philosophical points are all rooted in one patently false statement about Eastern religions after another. They are very subtle and slick lies that fall completely apart if you actually study Eastern religions.
It is no mistake, it is far too consistent and systematic. LeVay knew very well what the truth is about Eastern religions and he intentionally engineered a used car salesman ploy of half truths and lies about Eastern religions in order to make Satanism sound reasonable to an innocent person.
i for one think it is wrong to assault any religion based on what it says on paper, now, we do not pick apart the bible because of the things it may say in there, i admit i have never read the satanic bible or the bible or any other holy book. because these religions are so radically different from what they say in the books.
i pay no heed to the essays in the satanic bible i have merely adopted the philosophies and the 'religion' as worshiping myself. looking past what everyone seeks out to pick apart in the essays i look to these:
The Nine Satanic Statements
Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinance!
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours
who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as it has kept it in business all these years!
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
Do not harm little children.
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
im not saying the satanic bible wasnt lying, but you are assuming the lavey knew, assumptions are best left until all perspectives are covered, and not to open ones mouth until all the facts are cleared, since lavey is dead, this can never truly happen. and we can only see it as he was none the wiser, we all miss things sometimes, including yourself mike1reynolds, you have picked apart the short comings and left the true meaning to rot, as you said yourself. did you not hit it off with the satanist? and being a satanist, if you he did not like you then we would basically have moved on.
you put forward a very well educated post, i admit i do not know to that depth but i do see what satanism means, and i do not believe its trying to cover its on ass...
have i rambled or have i made a valid point?
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I don't quite understand the need to cling to rules that you already enact in your life naturally. That is to say, if your way mimics this satanism, why need it at all?
Can't you say, i'm [insert name] and I worship my-own, and be happy with that? |
A lot of people do that in the free thinking movement. I for one am a free thinker, though I base my beliefs off the common monotheistic religions - Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism.very interesting, browsing the web about it right now | Quote: |
| but in the Christian sense, they're not Satanists at all. |
I'm not sure if I would say that, because Satan represents our selfish inner desires. So once we begin to worship those selfrish, primal, intrinsic desires then it's quite a prallel to Satan. Perhaps, in some roun-a-bout way, Satanism indirectly worships Satan. But that's only my take on the whole situation.
I do agree that many people are miseducated because I brought up Satanism once and nobody I was talking to understood it. They considered it worshipping the devil (directly).
In regards to Satanism as a whole - who wouldn't want to be a Satanist? Worship yourself, do whatever you want, whenever you want. Have no rules. Be totally self-indulged. But no, life doesn't quite work that way... I think it's a bit dangerous to have people going around doing what have you for the sake of "worshipping onesself"
To each his own though. | Soulfire wrote: |
| Quote: | | but in the Christian sense, they're not Satanists at all. |
I'm not sure if I would say that, because Satan represents our selfish inner desires. So once we begin to worship those selfrish, primal, intrinsic desires then it's quite a parallel to Satan.
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That is very true, Soulfire.
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Perhaps, in some roun-a-bout way, Satanism indirectly worships Satan.
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"There's none of us chickens in here!"
In Satanism Satan is saying, "You don't need to be frightened of 'me' because I'm not even conscious, so you can use me however you like without fear because I will only do what you tell me to.”
Just as people worship money, sex and power, just because LeVayan Satanists don't believe that Satan is a conscious entity doesn't mean that they don't worship Satan. | violetgnu wrote: |
| I have no idea how accurate it is, not being a LaVeyan satanist myself. Sounds interesting. If it weren't tagged with the name "Satanism" I might be tempted to join it. |
i'm still quite confused why they name it after the devil. the name itself begs attention- i don't know if that's what everyone wants especially concerning personal beliefs. | tingkagol wrote: |
| violetgnu wrote: | | I have no idea how accurate it is, not being a LaVeyan satanist myself. Sounds interesting. If it weren't tagged with the name "Satanism" I might be tempted to join it. |
i'm still quite confused why they name it after the devil. the name itself begs attention- i don't know if that's what everyone wants especially concerning personal beliefs.
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The whole point is to get people to worship Satan without realizing what they are doing, so the name of the religion is actually critical to its goal.I think the point of calling it satanism is to be deliberately inflammatory towards organized religions and to attract people who feel disenfranchised by society.
To me, whether he completely understands Eastern religion or not, among the nine quoted satanic statements, there are some that make total sense, and others that seem completely at odds with our modern concept of morality.
"Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!"
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"Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!"
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"Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!"
Sounds like permission (almost the requirement) to do whatever makes you feel good.
To the original poster, if you just want to shock people, you could also try Wicca. Or if you want to embrace a belief system that doesn't require a god, try humanism.
I don't think that it is for the shock value. I've only met a handful of Satanists, but these particular ones were from the school of hard knocks, for example one lost his entire family when he was an adolescent.
Some Christians will assert that they think most atheists are mad at God, but I don't think so. However, I think that this does describe very well a significant portion of Satanists. They aren't ready to sell their souls in a Biblical context, but if you make it sound more palatable they are mad enough to do it.
I think that another portion are intellectuals who are atheists but not materialists. Tthey do believe in spiritual forces of some kind. I find this particularly illogical because if there are spiritual forces then there must be a God at Absolute Infinity.
And finally I think there is a third portion who are sinister, selfish and self-centered people who naturally dig the idea.
| mike1reynolds wrote: |
I don't think that it is for the shock value. I've only met a handful of Satanists, but these particular ones were from the school of hard knocks, for example one lost his entire family when he was an adolescent.
Some Christians will assert that they think most atheists are mad at God, but I don't think so. However, I think that this does describe very well a significant portion of Satanists. They aren't ready to sell their souls in a Biblical context, but if you make it sound more palatable they are mad enough to do it.
I think that another portion are intellectuals who are atheists but not materialists. Tthey do believe in spiritual forces of some kind. I find this particularly illogical because if there are spiritual forces then there must be a God at Absolute Infinity.
And finally I think there is a third portion who are sinister, selfish and self-centered people who naturally dig the idea. |
You've worded it much better than I could, I just think using the word "Satan" has an extremely negative connotation in many religions (admittedly, I'm only qualified to say that from my Christian background) I think they're aware of that and are using it because of that, for whatever reason. No one can say "I'm a Satanist" to a Christian and expect to hear "That's nice."While I am sure there are Satanists who dig the shock value of confronting Christians with their beliefs, I think that at the level of LeVay's motivations it is only a liability. The sinister manipulators of this religion would prefer to have a more socially penertating basis to decieve people into invoking evil forces.
| mike1reynolds wrote: |
I once met a Satanist of 11 years who carried the Satanic Bible around with him wherever he went. For about a week I had kept hearing about this guy and everyone in the situation I was in was trying to steer us together. When I finally met him we hit it up really well, I was shocked at what a thoughtful fellow he was. So I picked up his book and started reading it to find out what was really going on.
I kept finding lies in the Satanic Bible, not about Christianity, it hardly touched that subject, but rather lies about Buddhism and Hinduism. If you have even a basic understanding of the spiritual aspects of Yoga, you can see that the Satanic Bible is full of lies about it. It tries to set up Satanism as a morally equivalent parallel to Yoga and Hinduism/Buddhism. Even as diverse as this is (Buddhism is a radical non-theistic departure from the totally theistic Hinduism), never the less Satanism clearly and unmistakably is not the moral equivalent of either of these.
Whenever LeVay makes an analogy between Satanism and Eastern Mysticism, he is always distorting Eastern religions, and in a way that MUST be knowing in my opinion. For example, LeVay falsely claims that the goal of yoga is to gain spiritual and psychic power. This in fact violates one of the EIGHT LIMBS OF YOGA (to both Buddhists and Hindus this is like the 10 commandments) one of which says that one is never trying to gain any kind of power, spiritual or otherwise. The purpose of yoga is to find God, and dabbling with power, whether spiritual, political, sexual, whatever, is all nothing but a distraction to the principle aim of yoga.
The Satanic Bible is all a giant lie. It is designed to sound like common sense advice for the “Me” generation, but in fact the principle philosophical points are all rooted in one patently false statement about Eastern religions after another. They are very subtle and slick lies that fall completely apart if you actually study Eastern religions.
It is no mistake, it is far too consistent and systematic. LeVay knew very well what the truth is about Eastern religions and he intentionally engineered a used car salesman ploy of half truths and lies about Eastern religions in order to make Satanism sound reasonable to an innocent person. |
if you could quote it and stuff that would be nice....also try reading the bible, that book is heaps of fun, best fiction everWhat is it exactly that you find so appealing, the torture, human sacrifice, cannibalism, pedophilia, rape, murder, what?
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| What is it exactly that you find so appealing, the torture, human sacrifice, cannibalism, pedophilia, rape, murder, what? |
And thas is what satanists do?
Fine, I'll warn my best friend, since she's dating one. (trying hard not to be too sarcastic..) 
Satanism is a ok philosophy, is you feel like it. And all of satanists I have ever heard of in person (not the people buring old, beautiful, not so very christian after all buildings (read; churches) are some of the most harmless people I'll ever know. Not that they would like to admit it, though Self indulgence is exactly what this world needs more of right now i love how they make the whole thing palatable.
salesmen sell shit, but instead of saying "shit" they call it fertilizer.
in the end, it's still shit.
(forgive the lingo, can't think of anything else)
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| Rico wrote: | | What is it exactly that you find so appealing, the torture, human sacrifice, cannibalism, pedophilia, rape, murder, what? |
And thas is what satanists do?
Fine, I'll warn my best friend, since she's dating one. (trying hard not to be too sarcastic..)
Satanism is a ok philosophy, is you feel like it. And all of satanists I have ever heard of in person (not the people buring old, beautiful, not so very christian after all buildings (read; churches) are some of the most harmless people I'll ever know. Not that they would like to admit it, though |
I like your enthusiasm, but I can’t figure out what you’re trying to say.I just see mathematics related to the relative world when I read this thread. If there isn't a 'satanic' movement then there can't be a 'holy' movement in the relative world.
Hm, remember that satan is not a person - just a movement in the relative world.
The statement that 'I am my own god' is intresting, I sense something outside the satanism movement included in this
