anybody knows those people called the savants,
the knowing ones ???
i mean there must be something wrong with them
they lack a good piece of understanding
but in change have abilities that make them stand out among us normal people
would you want to have the memory of your whole life in your backhead
every detail can be recalled
every good and bad thing
you can learn by heart a book in less than a day
say learn a complete c++ manual in 4 hours
would that be nice
yeah
did you see the movie "rainman" .... raymonds brother is also a savant
what do you think? would you want to have such super-brain-powers in exchange for having problems understanding human emotion???
I think you're missing a big part of austistic savants. They do have amazing abilities to do things that normal people can't, but they also can't do a lot of the things others can.
Is there any difference between savants and normal people? I would think that thayt ability is inherent, but dormant in people, and all they need is practice to bring it out.
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Acoording to my knowledge "savant" is the surname welknown in asia.
Many of those are presently at good posts in many companies.I dont think there is any difference between them and normal people |
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| Is there any difference between savants and normal people? I would think that thayt ability is inherent, but dormant in people, and all they need is practice to bring it out. |
There are several abilities displayed by savants. Many savants are autistic at the high end (autism can be regarded on a graduated scale).
I know of examples of date computers, draughts people, ear-musicians, and liguistic mimics.
There are several suggestions around. The one that makes most sense to me as a non specialist is the sensory filter explanation.
We filter out a great deal of perception automatically and one theory holds that autistic people cannot do this, or are limited in the regard. This means they are constantly bombarded with sensations and quickly go into sensory overload if the environment is too 'noisy. It also means, however, that the draftsperson can draw a picture of St Pauls Cathedral after 1 bus journey past the building - and get the number of windows correct, the doors, chimneys - nearly every detail. It also would account for the piano player who can instantly play any tune after one hearing - in full melody and harmony.i can remember a dream of mine
i woke in the middle and therefore i woulndt forget it
the dream was a slightly distorted rerun of an incident that had actually happened to me....... months ago...... but it was still as clear and sharp as i had experienced it. the best of it was that i even recognized details i hadn't looked at in the first place. the flood of details struck me.... i was absolutely convinced to re-live this moment of my life......
and this told me one thing: the brain is much more powerful in memorizing things than i have ever believed..........
the ONLY ;) problem is to remember the right thing at the right time.....
speaking of myself, memories are more or less chaotically organized;)
back to the savants:
imo they do save memories like we do
but they know how to recall them in the right chronological order
(thats why they can play the piano so well)
it has to do something with being constant.....
my brain is jumping around if i try to concentrate.....
that is sometimes annoying when i have to remember tele numbers or passwords BUT this is creating cross links between
different thought categories and this is where real genius comes from
savants/autists may lack this genius because they dont link two thinks
and thus develop no creativity
just think of an automatic piano.....it does make no mistake with beethoven or mozart (classical music) ..... and is a very dead and uncreative thing indeed (some savants from the tv show looked like zombies or rather cyborgs (think of DATA).....)
Sounds perfectly feasible and it should be testable - presumably we would want to look at subjective time perception, memory recall accuracy and sequencing, between experiment and sample group.
I agree, btw with the generalised but I think reasonable working definition of genius as being concerned with linking and juxtaposing concepts/theory in a new way, often linking previously unrelated fields into a new synthesis....
This is probably an obvious question but I presume that the mathematical and memory feats of Duston Hoffman's character in Rain Man are exaggerated.
While savants obviously have much higher than normal abilities - the ability to squre root or multiple 8-digit numbers or memorise a large fraction of a phone book sounds just too much.
It does however raise questions on just how much capacity is in the human brain and whether that super capacity could be tapped and made use of in people that are non-autistic - and if so and it became mainstream just how much socienty would change.
This would be as profound a change as that which occurred when compulsory education was introduced i nthe 19th century.
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This is probably an obvious question but I presume that the mathematical and memory feats of Duston Hoffman's character in Rain Man are exaggerated.
While savants obviously have much higher than normal abilities - the ability to squre root or multiple 8-digit numbers or memorise a large fraction of a phone book sounds just too much.
It does however raise questions on just how much capacity is in the human brain and whether that super capacity could be tapped and made use of in people that are non-autistic - and if so and it became mainstream just how much socienty would change.
This would be as profound a change as that which occurred when compulsory education was introduced i nthe 19th century. |
Be most wary of what seems most obvious, and of dismissing the fantastic too easily: Kim Peek. | wernichtfragt wrote: |
i can remember a dream of mine
i woke in the middle and therefore i woulndt forget it
the dream was a slightly distorted rerun of an incident that had actually happened to me....... months ago...... but it was still as clear and sharp as i had experienced it. the best of it was that i even recognized details i hadn't looked at in the first place. the flood of details struck me.... i was absolutely convinced to re-live this moment of my life......
and this told me one thing: the brain is much more powerful in memorizing things than i have ever believed..........
the ONLY  problem is to remember the right thing at the right time.....
speaking of myself, memories are more or less chaotically organized;)
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That is probably because the incident has had a bigger impact on you than you would have though. In these situations, the brain tends to enter in a specific phase where he will accept a lot of information, thus making memory a lot sharper. Many traumatising events are remembered in such a way. I guess this goes in the same way than the theory about information filtering, which I think sounds quite realistic.
